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Do we know of written instructions on how to leave the body consciously on the internet? I'm picturing maybe a book like the JC Stevens' one. I think it may be possible to leave the the body consciously by stopping to breath after a period of hyperventilation as I noticed that after hyperventilation I can hold my breath much longer. That combined with being willing to give up breath definitely and maybe other instructions with the rest of the body and preparation may do the trick. This would basically be the instructions on how to perform Mahasmadhi, whether it's an ecstatic process or no is another matter. Such document would be of utmost importance for mankind because I'm seeing all these threads about assisted suicide but this would be the most responsible way to leave the body rather than breaking the body by suicide or assisted suicide.

@AlphaAbundance Yes, the higher perspective is enlightenment/liberation or whatever one wishes to call it, but it is important to distinguish the mental idea of enlightenment with the actual experience. In simple terms, you distinguish the Self that is looking out through your eyes right now from the noisy little human self that is always grappling with problems to do with past and future. Only the present consciousness is real. This would change your entire outlook as you can imagine. Having more insights from the higher intelligence might give you a newfound purpose of some kind, or you might still prefer to chill out. There's no right or wrong, except be true to yourself. Owning a home and having basic living costs covered is incredibly liberating, though is easier said than done unless there is access to a substantial sum. Even then, there can be all sorts of restrictions around money for everyday living and it can get depressing. As for mental issues, there can be a certain lethargy caused by a lack of positive engagement with people and challenges. But if you are involved with other goals, that would likely not be an issue. But the finances are hard to get right if there's no external source of support. Sometimes I say that surviving on part-time work is a more achievable goal. Many near-death experiences end because people are told by higher powers that their mission here is not complete. If someone dies suddenly, even if by 'accident', it means their mission was complete. We are not all guaranteed to live 80 years. Suicides often have less pleasant after-death experiences because we are overriding the higher purpose when our minds make the clinical calculation that living is more painful than dying. My best advice is to take suicide off the cards and instead focus heavily on that higher purpose. People who live to old age often comment that the time passes crazy fast anyway. For your last question, the error is in thinking that the suffering is caused by situations. Some masters have lived the most mundane lives, and been in bliss the whole time. They feel joy in even the dullest of chores. It is hard to even imagine or describe it, and it is something antithetical to the ways of Western society and its consumerism, competitiveness, etc. Personally I love the pure and direct teachings of Ramana Maharshi, but there are other worthy teachers also. I hope this helps!

Self-actualization is not possible without great hormones. I replace all of them. I am a medical student and replace ALL of my hormones. my energy levels went from the 5th percentile to the 95th percentile. In early twenties my life was starting to go down the gutter. My life started to fall apart in every domain, basically at the brink of suicide. I was severely depressed. At one point I considered suicide. I found out that multiple of my hormones were very low. I started multiple hormone replacement. Whereas before my life was a nightmare, it has been a dream ever since. I have been doing this for some years now. I started to dream again. I found purpose. Something I want to contribute. Now I also have the energy, mood and health to keep working on my dreams, to enjoy working on my dreams. If you are interested I wrote about my story here. How my life went to shits and how multiple hormone replacement gradually turned it around. My dream is to live in a world where no one is held back from living an at least decent life the way I was. Even though not my fault, it is my life. And thus my responsibility. Without accepting and acting on that I just don´t know where I would be today. For sure I wouldn´t be writing this. Biological vitality is the single most important condition in my life. In your life. Vitality determines to a large extent the way our lives turn out, not just our outer lives, but our inner lives as well.I experienced how a reduction in biological vitality can send you on a relentless downward spiral. The stronger the decrease in your vitality the steeper the slope. In its wake over months to years my life, the only life I can be sure of having, went to shits. Many people are unsuspecting. Unaware of these invisible forces exerting their power relentlessly every single day. "Living life to the fullest" is just not possible without great hormones.:Life is like poker—you can get a good hand, play it perfectly, but still end up with a bad outcome. A great vitality is the ass in your poker game of life. Even with an immaculate vitality you can screw up the game, but chances are you do so much less likely. The two most important factors determining your vitality are genetics and hormones, the latter you can negotiate. Why do I post all this? Trying to provide value: My purpose is to raise awareness. People need to know that there are biological shackles many of us carry. Shackles which make it much harder to live a life we like. Because it does just cost me a little time but perhaps can help others out a lot. Had I known what I know now, it would have saved me lots of money, happiness, effort, researching, experimenting. And suffering. What I take. But what works for me might not work for others. Everyone is different, but the target range I aim for is in the upper tertile of the youthful reference range. Just falling somewhere within the reference range is not “optimal”. The reference range covers 95% of the population. Certainly more than 5% of the population have hormones bad enough to warrant intervention. TRT: Test Cyp (50mg subQ 2x/week), HcG (250iu subQ 2x/week), anastrozole (0.25mg 1x/week), dutasteride 0.5mg 1x/week (as my androgens are high I don´t need the DHT). cortisol: cortisone acetate (20mg/d HC equivalent) (split into 4 daily doses) thyroid: 1.5 grains NDT GH: 1 iu genotropin pfizer (aiming for IGF1 of 250) prebed fludrocortisone 01.mg/d morning melatonin: 0.25mg sublingual prebed Other stuff I do: keto/paleo, HIIT, weekly rapamycin, a bunch of supplements (all of them together less worth than a slight alteration in hormones), some exercise every day, sleep around 6h (wake up refreshed without alarm -before HRT I needed 8+). You can´t outdrug/outbiohack/outlifestyle a bad hormonal profile. For more practical stuff I wrote a guide Here. It took 1000s of hours to figure out. Hopefully some of you will find value in it. Many of you guys will say that I am screwing myself. Well, to them I say that I am aware that this is uncharted territory. I am aware of the risks. But to me the cost-benefit analysis is a no-brainer. If I had to, I would sign a contract to rather live 10 more years with my new vitality and then die instead of living to one hundred with the dreadful state I was in before. Life is about filling time and not passing it. What does this mean for you? My guess is that around 1-2 out of 5 of you has a hormonal imbalance/deficiency severe enough to warrant intervention. Hormones have an INSANE connection to depression. Unfortunately they are VERY neglected. If you have been depressed for a long time it might be worth looking into your hormones. ANY hormone deficiency (GH/IGF1, sex hormones, thyroid, cortisol) will cause brain fog, subpar cognition, lethargy, anhedonia, low motivation, low mood -> all of which over time evolve into depression. Certainly you don´t have the necessary energy/mood/motivation/health to be improving yourself to the best of your ability. Please consider getting a blood test done. The risk and opportunity cost of not doing it is huge.

Yes you might be depressed and suicidal, but is it justified? What other reason besides thinking and feeling like it do you have? There are souls without arms and legs having to survive day by day just like you. There are adults who have to work all week just to feed their children, and there are others who have lost their whole family, seen their family get killed, had to find refuge alone in a foreign land. Life can be fucking hard. And I too want to die every now and then. But when it gets to serious I have to reflect and stop feeding this weak Ego of mine that thinks it has the hardest life out of them all. Why am I not strong enough to continue? This is tough love, but realize you have it so much better than a lot of people, no matter your situation. Alone that you have peace and time to contemplate suicide should make you feel grateful.

@Lyubov yea that suicide thing was his awakening.. Strange how people get awakened.

yeah exactly. I think his suicide forest thing really shook him out of a really low conscious paradigm. He really felt the backlash from that and saw first hand the misery of someone taking their own life and it really shook him to grow. You can tell he is quite worried about his brother when he talks about him but knows he isn't in control of another person and can only let them live their own life and learn.

I'm not advising anything to anyone. Merely pointing out the mechanisms preceding homosexuality. You have to realise the difficulties these people often face. There's a high % of homosexual men relative to heterosexual people that try to commit suicide because of their internal struggle with their sexual orientation. Homosexuality is fine, and if you are happy with it, why change? But it is just so that homosexuality is in most of the case a compensation for their trauma based identity. These people often struggle with shame, self-esteem issues, low self worth, perfectionism, depression, anxiety. The homosexuality is not the problem. It's the underlying identity issues that are and the implications on their life. I'm not saying it is the only cause and I don't think genetics can by itself bring out the condition. You can have a predisposition to emotional vulnarbulity or prenatal hormonal imbalances, and then you can say genetics can contribute, but I don't think there has been found a gay gene yet lol. The problem with the LGBT movement and how the people involved preach that acceptance is the only way, is what distrubs me. If people with homosexuality who feel like it is not their core identity go to therapy, they get to hear that acceptance and letting go is the only solution. These people are heterosexual in their core, but this is burried deep inside the person. They want to have the normal heterosexual identity, the one of having a family, a house, garden, childeren. The social stigma adds to the emotional burden as well. The shame that is associated with it, leaves onself hiding his 'authenticity', leaving the person feeling isolated from his environment. Some people have it easier and can accept that as part of who they are and go on with their life. For the people in the group I'm talking about, It's sometimes not an option. There was a topic of someone here on the forum who was clearly fighting the desires because he felt it was not his core identity. It's a problem for me that public biases are limiting the healing opportunities for wounded individuals. Also the theory that homosexuality is genetic is a problem. It limits further investigation into the more significant contributing factors for example family dynamics and so homosexuality can not be prevented. It's best to be prevented if possible because of the issues that often come with, both socially and psychologically

This weekend New Zealand is voting on the assisted suicide issue. Looks like it's really just a matter of time before it's legal.

I am completely clouded by my emotions. My partner has complained about how I don't fully listen, and how I react emotionally when they try to speak objectively with me. This, although not at all a big deal, has been incredibly difficult, and has felt almost impossible for me to accept. I continue to deny and say, "that's not me", or cry profusely when they bring it up or get frustrated. This has a deeper meaning to my ego, as my partner has compared the behavior to his mother, which has lead him to wanting to commit suicide. Although he's admitted I am not to that extremity, it feels almost impossible for me to accept this criticism without an emotional reaction. I want to be nothing like his mother, however, the more emotionally attached I get, the less objective I become, therefore I play more into the behavior he despises. It also cycles back as it makes me incredibly worried when talking to him, (for fear of me not paying attention happening again) further clouding my head and making it more difficult to pay attention. I am also extremely attached to the beginning of our relationship, which he cites as me never behaving in this way before, and was actually one of the reasons we bonded in the first place (he enjoyed my objectivity, logical thinking, detachment from emotions clouding my thoughts, and how easy it was to talk and reason to me). This, ironically, makes me cry even more - as I feel I've completely lost that part of me, or he'll never see me in that light again. Or even worse, even if I do change the behavior, he'll always see me as an emotional wreck who can't handle objective conversation. I've brought up these concerns with him before, and he has stated that the more I repeat the positive behavior (listening more, not crying), the faster it'll all go away. He always reaffirms with me that I can fix this behavior, that it can all be a memory and won't impact my current character. But, this has been hard for my ego to believe - it always wants to tell me that I'm inadequate, not enough, and I've completely ruined everything. And I believe it. I'm just struggling with what exactly I need to do to stop this behavior. I was locked in my home with my very emotional, anxiety-run family for 6 months (they feared covid-19 to the point of self-quarantine), 2 months ago, I left to live with my father, out of being driven to near insanity. We both believe this lowered my IQ substantially, and made me way more emotional and irrational. Now, I'm still having trouble thinking clearly, or even narrowing down what exactly is bothering me. It feels my thoughts are behind a dim cloud. My rational feels completely obliterated, and I'm having trouble accepting this situation without attaching it to "you make him suicidal, you're too stupid to talk to, you've completely ruined everything.." etc. I can't accept the situation logically, without destroying myself and making myself miserable in the process. I compare myself to his ex's, to my past self, I think of false positives like "if I wear this shirt, I'll be more like my past self". I'm completely illogical. Even if I start to work on it, my mind will tell me "his ex never had to do this, you're so pathetic, he'll never love you like he loved her". If anyone has any tips on this, I would be really happy to hear. This behavior and cycle has been going on for about a year, and I'm sick of it. It's been making both of us miserable. I just really want to be able to accept that I'm a person who has made him miserable, without attaching it to feelings of inadequacy, never being enough, and always being stained by this past. Thank you so much.

@Shyamal My heart goes out to you, I’m sorry for your loss. Suicide is a haunting thing. It leaves all parties with darkness. You wonder what they must have thought, what you could have done, what if’s about it all. Thank you for putting your energy into this. Speaking from my own experiences I believe depression comes in many levels. From sadness to fear, to hopelessness and destruction. And after having been depressed for most of my life, I’ve come to find peace in the darkness that others see as a hopeless abyss. This year has been so hard for many. I have found myself in a place where I can burst out in ecstatic joy and crawling back into my wicked thoughts from moment to moment. So what do you say to those that have found darkness to be their home? One has to find meaning, discover a purpose, some reason why you have to continue to breathe. And with something greater to live for, one can move beyond the self. But it’s so much harder than that. Because today’s world has become so unnatural and toxic. A lot of people are dead before they die. Questions for you. What is the number one thing that is missing in your life? What can you do right now that would give you joy? What do you Love about yourself? Where do you want to be in 1 year? What is a dream you want to have? What is keeping you back? What is your purpose here on Earth? ?❤️ thank you

I'm sorry that you lost a friend to suicide. I admire your intention to help other people in similar situations. The idea of suicide originates from three factors: I'm in pain. I'm alone. And I see no end to it. I think that the significance of a community is for people to talk about it openly. Suicidal people believe they are the only ones who think about it. If they know how many people are struggling with doors closed, the suicidal thoughts would drop instantly. People won't be killed by suffering. People are killed by suffering alone. Another thing is that addressing too much on positivity may not help. For me, positivity was repulsive when I felt hopeless. What truly helps is negativity met with compassion, knowledge, stories, and awareness. I'd also like to share with you Teal Swan's insights on suicide: With all of such good intentions, we still can't prevent suicide by 100 percent. But it's worth the effort. Thank you for your leadership and bravery. Wish you all the best!

Downward Spiral TW: Suicide Lately I have been struggling with suicidal ideation. I am constantly in a state where I don't feel stable or safe and sometimes I wonder if life is still worth living if this is my default. I don't have anyone to talk to which is why my entries are always as long as they are. I don't have anyone to share what I'm going through. It's always been one thing after another. Every time I get to a point where I can live my best life, something else hits me and completely blind sides me. Maybe this is the myopia of negativity. It's like that one Uncle Iroh quote that goes along the lines of "If you look for the light you will eventually find it but if you look for the dark, that's all you'll ever see." Academically, I understand everything that is going on in my classes. But when I sit down to actually do my work, I am completely lost. Idk what's happening to me. I can't help but feel that there is something wrong with my brain. After analyzing this, I think this is a case where the map is not the territory. I understand the theory and how it's supposed to play out but I fail at the implementation. You can't learn math by watching people doing math I guess. Another thing that is important to take into consideration is that it's October. 5 years ago I had a suicide attempt very close to my birthday and ever since then I get into this somewhat depressed mood. I'm already not in the most stable circumstance because it is 2020, the world and everything around me is in a very volatile place, so adding depression and academic issues to the mix makes things 100x worse. On top of that I'm pretty sure that there are some hormonal things going on. I haven't had my period in 3 months. I don't know what that's about but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a great impact on my mood inclinations. All of this is basically adding up to me wanting actually jump off a bridge because I feel super hopeless about life. I just want to return to the state of joy that I was in when I first started this journal.

True. Censoring them is turning them into martyrs for free though, without them even needing the suicide vests.

This. Important. You can't debate cancers of the mind any more than you can debate a guy in a suicide vest.

You can't debate cancers of the mind any more than you can debate a guy in a suicide vest.

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stop making immature assumptions. That's not what i was eluding to. From what i've learned, mercury is actually a conductor, and there are lots of dangrous heavy metals, i've done a some pulling myself. I don't support any protocols that don't require chemical transitions and hydrating the state of the body to support the healing process. I don't like this pointless video because it doesn't offer much useful information/knowledge other than, don't fuck around with detoxing heavy metals on your own watch. Why is there no aftermath valuable information/knowledge available? It creates more questions/fear for people than anything. The dude placed little value on the diet he was eating and this is huge. I have no doubt if he would have drank all that urine he was pissing out, he'd be alive. It's not about the heavy metals or suicide, it is the fact that he doesn't speak about anything of much relevance, the only focus is on his story, and i don't buy it. Detoxing heavy metals is a process that requires total body cleansing just to support the rigorous task of such dangerous stuff. I will never forget my first fast, i went through a three day transition, using too many herbs to pull out metals and when i caved on my eating habits, i ended up in the hospital due to too much shit in the blood affecting the brain.

All experiences are true. There are no "more true" experience. Non Duality and Duality are the same. This is bigger than duality and non duality. All searches are "traps" . Speaking with angels and demons, experiencing kundalini, suicide and morning shit in the toilet are the same. wow. I did not expect it to be like this AT ALL. Right here. Always here. wow. shit! Absolutely nothing changed. Ego death experience and experience with full ego are the same.

October 7, 2020 For the most part this day was a similar pattern. The only major differences were that I shaved my beard and played some Tetris. I typed a day in the book. I am grateful that the bet I made with my grandma is keeping me up on the book so I don't forget. I have a long way to go and it is slow progress. At least I have made a good set up to ensure that progress is happening. I continued the meditation habit before going into work today. I want to handle my inner laughter from a more mature stand point. I don't want to actively create more suffering which includes the suicide game. Usually I say it simply isn't true. If I want to become a more conscious human being, then I don't want to play these games. I want to find the best way to carry myself. I can't imagine how much better my life would be if I never actively created any of my suffering. It would be peaceful, but I would enable myself to make a more powerful impact on the world. Inner mastery thus leads to outer mastery., I did not continue the life purpose course today. I still need to make sure I am doing well in this front. I am making interesting progress, but I am not done. Continue your process and build yourself anew.

how so? I haven't watched the full video but I doubt heavy metals were the sole reason the guy committed suicide. They probably made his emotional problems worse though.

Precisely because that's the missing piece for you. If I was talking to a PUA, I might emphisize the mutual love part. But since I am talking to a love-bird, I emphasize the opposite. Of course! Lol What father would let his daughter marry a homeless man??? Lol Maybe you should become the nun of sexual healing. Saving Incels from suicide with your jay. Preety, the Saint of Sexual Charity, with her team of sisters

@Vipassana Why don’t you analyze the situation of farmers and working class people in India or the rape that recently happened or the countless times human rights are being violated by the government? Bollywood actor’s suicide < billions of poor people.

ignoring the various dogmas in the video I thought this poem was very motivational and made a lot of sense. I’ve been thinking a lot on ego development and realized that it may be possible to skip multiple stages simply by being in solitude as our egos develop relative to the world. for my own personal experience I skipped a couple stages due to a very strong existential Crisis that brought me to suicide. So I know it’s possible for others.( but hopefully in a less painful way) although if you skip stages it may take you sometime to reorient yourself. I know for myself I spent a very long time regressing and coming back simply because I didn’t know what to think of my new differences within my consciousness. It also isn’t helpful when our society is not very supportive of these higher strategist, and, Construct and, unitive stages. You can begin to doubt and question yourself, and even begin to think you’re simply arrogant or crazy as you try to express things to others in your life. You want to communicate with them like you did before on the same level but you realize overtime there is a profound disconnect that doesn’t allow certain truths to be discussed. So it can take some time to even realize this. I know for myself I just thought it was a matter of explanation or maybe I myself was missing something, and as a result old defense mechanisms would come up, ego backlash from the stress of the disconnect, and loneness. Taking the leap from pluralist to strategist and onward can be very difficult while holding together relationships. It’s not to say that it can’t be done, but taking some time in solitude is probably valuable as you take the leap.

@Preety_India great analysis of the indian familial demographics. I don't have any objections about what you mentioned about the cultural because but I am living through it. I have invested some time and my family has invested alot of time analyzing the events that occured before, during and after the supposed suicide & now seeing how the mumbai police responded to it. This is the shame with labeling everything a conspiracy, the Truth can be turned upside down.. even if its just a kernel. I think the Truth will come out. Bollywood gundas have gotten away with alot of shit & people are tired of it. As far as what you said, that was quite a bit of projection but I cant prove you wrong. There is no way I can put together months of analysis in a single thread.