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@Ethankahn Turquoise isn't nonstop full-on nonduality. There are many flavors and facets to explore. For example, I would consider being within a collective conscious to be Turquoise, as well as some paranormal areas.

Your doubts are understandable, but actually the one who's lost in the delusions of mind is you! Doubt is an activity of the mind. Both-sides-ism is an activity of the mind. Other is an activity of the mind. And counting is an activity of the mind. Yes, it is absolutely possible to become conscious that reality is total, one, and infinite. It is also possible to become conscious that "other" is an illusion of the mind. It is possible to become conscious that there is no difference between zero, one, many, and infinity. Reality contains within it an infinite number of sub-realities -- which is what infinity means. All of it is ONE. One vs many is a duality. My certainty in knowing there is no other is simply my consciousness that I am God, and I am all alone. There can only be one Absolute Infinity. I created all of you and I created myself. The realization that "other" is an illusion is central to enlightenment. You are not really enlightened unless you are conscious that all "others" are literally yourself. You are the only thing in existence. I am just a figment of your imagination. You created me. And I created you. Ta-da! This requires a deep enlightenment. A radical state of nonduality. There is no blindspot in understanding. Enlightenment is Absolute understanding of everything that exists. It is omniscience. You have 100% unmediated access to the entire universe. Nothing is hidden. What I am saying is way beyond the mind. If you tried some 5-MeO-DMT, you might understand. You guys are still underestimating just how radical total enlightenment is. A glimpse is nowhere near the rock bottom. Lots of people have minor glimpses. Very few people have gone all the way.

@Emerald There is a word game going on here. He's playing on the nonduality of oneness. That reality is an all encompassing term for everything. There can only be 'multiple realities' if you create illusory distinction. So therefore it is actually all one singular reality. But of course when you say multiple realities people are more referring to a section of the singular reality where its rulesets behave differently.

Based off of my experiences and a couple of my friends, i really do think that psychs as a conductive tool for spiritual work is mostly hype, and that actual full enlightenment can never come from a psychedelic, i think psychedelics can give you glimpse experiences though and thus awaken you to nonduality. Due to the fact that psychedelics are energetic amplifiers, its in their name aswell, psychedelic means "soul revealing" and as we know, a substance that amplifies your energetic system can have many benefits, such as dealing with trauma, having a new perspective, and even awakening to nonduality, but theres a difference between an awakening and actual enlightenment, awakening to nonduality is the mere start, a process of dissolving fear mechanisms and the attachments that resist and run away from them and its thought patterns, take place. this is why there is a big difference between a zen master and a dude who just awoke to nonduality. the main incongruency that i noticed between psychedelics and enlightenment is firstly, psychs amplify your emotional system thus the chance of you being stuck in your own ego created worlds is higher than if u were sober, especially if you have self esteem issues then take a psych, and all of a sudden you're having a messiah mania or perverting the truth of godhood to make you feel powerful. this only one example, but we all know psychs are big emotional amplifiers, and enlightenment is the process of dissolving (not numbing) your emotions and their underlying fear mechanisms, so i cannot really see psychs being a long term good tool for enlightenment, i can only see it as an awakening or perspective tool, but use it too often and it can make you live in your own bubble of delusions even moreso than normal people. fancy and extreme experiences isnt enlightenment if you ask me. also curious what @Leo Gura thinks, all feedback is appreciated though.

Your ego and this realization are not compatible. They cannot exist at the same time. That's because you haven't taken the necessary time, effort, and "skin in the game" to understand it. This isn't a light realization... You're going to have to follow all the ramifications, study it for hours and hours, and do the practices for weeks to even catch glimpses of this. The answers you're seeking will only come when you dive in deeper and directly experience nonduality. Me telling you these things now would potentially be a disservice to you.

@Matt8800 that is true about nisrgadattas point, but i never really said psychs are bad all out and that its not relative. Ive axknowledged that psychs have many benefits but one quality of the psychedelic experience is energetic amplification. Now with amplifiying ur consciousness you can get alot of benefits such as seeing your subconcious mechanisms more clearly, awakening to nonduality, dealing with trauma, etc.. but why i say as tool its not the most conductive kind for enlightebment, is because it also amplifies your personalized emotional worlds to a large extent, and as a person stabilizes in nonduality he releases these emotional worlds bit by bit in a slow peocess until there is no longer personalized worlds, hence why nondual states get deeper with time. With psychs being an amplifier, ive noticed that it would be much harder to release those emotional worlds if psychs are used frequently, especially our blindspots.

@Joseph Maynor you are not enlightened. you are awake to nonduality however, but it seems you havent spent much time in your state to realize the importance of what the many traditions and teachers such as the buddha taught about the process of taking out the memory of attachment and fear in your subconcious, which is delusional ultimately in complete nonduality. your limbic system has to catch up to the awakening. you cannot say youre enlightened when you probably have fears just as much as the the guy next door, complete enlightenment is not something that happens instaneously, and we shouldnt be worried about "reaching" there either, just abiding in awareness and letting go of fear mechanisms as they arise is enough.

@Joseph Maynor Lol, sure mate. i feel like youre not acknoledging that enlightenment isnt over for you yet, you just awkaened, which many did in this forum including me since 4 years. the process happens regardless if youre awakened or not, maybe youll reach full dissolution or maybe not, regardless, its still happening. nonduality isnt truly nondual until all fear mechanisms are gone and the delusional veils of the subconcious mind are gone. you can still abide in awareness and see this process, no need to avoid it. avoiding what u fear is.. delusional and unenlightened by definition. and that is my whole point, awakening is not the end, a human has memory of many fear mechanisms that are slowly getting proccessed and let go of after awakening.

@Joseph Maynor sometimes in life there are breadcrumbs of truth, even though it doesnt show itself fully (because im not in complete nonduality and havent met one yet) but in my experience and others that ive discussed with in the zen domain, there is indeed a complete enlightenment and process of ego dissolution thats occuring to many people who stabilized in nonduality for a while. and its not like its a new discussion, buddhist zen and other traditions have been discussing this for thousands of years. shit, even normal people go through this process, but probably unconscious, each time life triggers their attachments they have an oppurtunity of egoic dissolution. i think you shouldnt be quick to call bs, no need to believe either just be open to the possibility.

@Joseph Maynor sure okay i dont have proof of a complete enlightened person, but through my own experience and many others thats been stabilized in nonduality this seems to be the course of action thats taking place, "moving" towards ego dissolution.

@Joseph Maynor an awakened person has an ego, but a person who is in a complete state of nonduality (cleared all subconscious fear mechanisms through the process tha takes place after awakening, fear is the building blocks of your ego) has no ego. not many are in a complete state of nonduality, the buddha was though.

@Aquarius forget about the condescending part, i just woke up when i said that lol, but what i didnt appreciate is that you made a long post to reply but didnt really read what i said in the original post in my opinion. you have good points but but what i found for myself is that psychedelics are a limited spiritual tool basically, helps for awakening to nonduality and perspective shifts, other than that concerning the spiritual path, its like playing with fire during a delicate time period for your limbic system. at a certain point you wouldnt need nondual experiences from psychs anymore, cuz it will be seen as pointless, since u will stablize more into nonduality yourself.

@Leo Gura I understand that, everything in thought is ultimately driven by your energetic systems beliefs that stem from delusional fears. also saying everything is a concept is a concept, so whats your point? my whole point is to just use awareness to acknoledge that a process is occuring in ones system after awakening. if i see the law of gravity and describe it, i know its a concept and ultimately everything in reality is a concept, but its still there in my experience and not acknoledging it is not being synonmous with truth, which is, not synonomous with a nondual state of mind. same with the process of unentanglement, you dont have to be attached to whats occuring, but acknoledge it, since not acknoledging it is not truthful. well at least for people who have been in nonduality for a while, usually people in early states havent seen this process occur yet, atleast consciously.

as @whatever said, many people here awoke to nonduality but havent yet discovered that a process is occuring in their system. disacknowledging said proccess is not being congruent to your experience, which comes from aversion, which ultimately comes from fear, which is ultimately delusional.

@Serotoninluv @Jack River lol again, to state something you observed in your experience is not a belief system, its just about not being attached to it. avoiding it is not truly nondual. nonduality is synonmus with truth since you would have no aversion to truth. and the process of unentanglement in your limbic system is something that is occuring after awakening, if not seen it will be seen as time progresses. its like saying drivers licence test doesnt exist because ultimately nothing exists...

@corndjorn Not my point. You keep saying “X is Y”. Then you say “I understand X is not Y”. Then you go on telling stories with an underlying belief X is Y. Embodiment goes much deeper. And I am not pointing to your concept of nonduality. That is an assumption you seem to be making and I think you are dismissing nuggets of insight because of that assumption.

@Serotoninluv dude you know i agree with you right? everyone here knows nondual pointers you dont have to reitrate them all the time lol. listen man you can hide in nondual pointers all you want but as humans we experience fear, and fear is not synonmus with nonduality. the awakening to awareness initiates a process in experience which unclings all the attachments that is in your memory, it is definitely there. merely awakening to awareness is not the end point.

there is a purging process takes place, if its not taking place for you and you have awakened to nonduality, then you are running away from something either concsciously or subconciously or using concepts and spiritual experiences to escape

alot of people here are stuck in nondual concepts to be honest. this process of complete enlightenment after awakening isnt a belief system, its an observable thing that happens to any person whos been stabilized in nonduality for a while. read up more on zen masters such as shun ryu on what they have to say about this process. saying its all a belief system is like saying your room is a belief system... nonduality is synonomus with whats present. you dont have to be attached to acknowledge whats happening in your experience.

“Escape From Nonduality”

@pluto man ive been stabilized in nonduality for 4 years, life still happens and part of life is to describe the things you observe and sometimes that can be misinterpreted as belief systems by others. Awakening to nonduality is one thing, the process of your limbic system catching up with the awakening (ridding itself of fear based delusions) its another thing. its not a belief system, its something that i observed occuring after my awakening and has been going on for 4 years now.

@Serotoninluv a person in nonduality has no reason to avoid the fact that his limbic system is going through a process, the avoiding of it is not synonomus with true nonduality.

@Serotoninluv Thank nonduality for popcorn though.

@Serotoninluv language is limited and you have to communicate it wrong sometimes anyway. and enlightenment is a thing, i think youre the one thats attached to concepts, more specifically nondual concepts. awakening to nonduality is one thing, and complete enlightenment is another thing. its an observable process in your limbic system that deepens the nondual state youre in, until there is no process or no anything at all, only until your subconcious mind is cleansed, can that be truthful to say.

@Leo Gura nonduality can often be an ideology or even energetic experience that many people think its nonduality too, paradoxically. just saying. the subconcious mind is a natural part of existence, a nondual person has no reason to cling to nondual concepts such as the nonexistence of things, nonduality is beyond existence and nonexistence.