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This perspective is still one of opposites that perceives nonduality and duality. That itself is a duality. The human mind is highly conditioned to perceive duality, so nonduality is a very difficult perceptive to have direct experience. Once the mind-body experiences nonduality it can gravitate to and embrace nonduality and reject duality. Nondual direct experience is extremely important and since the mind-body is so conditioned to duality, totally immersing oneself in the newly-accessed nonduality his helpful for development. The next stage is to start integrating nonduality and duality. Yet, ime and what I've seen in others - this is advanced. I had to really get grounded in nonduality before this integration. It helped me to visualize a coin. One side is nonduality, the other side is duality. I saw these as separate for a long time and explore each side. After gaining a lot of experience with the nonduality side, I begain seeing that both sides of the coin are integrated. There is no point in which one side stops and the other side begins. They are an integrated whole. This lesson can be applied to all that we see as being opposites, such as life-death, joy-sorrow etc.

Yeah those are the best i am not a big fan of enlightenment and nonduality which some of his newer videos talk about.

Maybe Leo's view is not for you and this is perfectly fine and important to recognize. There are lots of other sources of nonduality and spiritual teachings out there. See if any of them connect with your heart and go about them slowly to see how your mind/body/ego react. I've had to take large chunks of time off from "spiritual" stuff and just live life (sometimes years off). Interestingly enough though, if your desire is still truely to know truth and what this all is, you'll learn lessons even when you drop the meditation stuff, reading stuff and just do "normal" things (again so long as you truely desire truth).

While nonduality is an insanely awesome paradigm also remember that God, The Dao or whatever you want to call it even transcends the idea of oneness. It would be error to say it is one and to say it is separate. So make sure to follow the pointers and not confuse it with actuality ?

Nonduality is multiple choice. ????????‍♂️??? Become a Universal Heretic.

Duality is confined to just two options. Yes/no good/bad black/white -mechanical part of the Human centers/auto pilot Duality + 1(third force/self conscious awareness-Will-attuned to strange strange attractor/Holy Spirit) = Being/nonduality Love is nondual Beingness is nondual -- multiple choice living in the present Awakened Human Being ?

@Highest I understand it's extremely hard to convey Truth/Nonduality thu language, which is inherently dualistic, but the opinion about Atheists above is dualistic views. Do you as God realize that any Atheist you encounter is just a dream character you dreamed up? Thus they never are doing or have ever done anything, as they don't actually exist. Only you, God, are dictating their thoughts. And it's all happening only within your direct experience, in this moment only. Is this the way you understand things to be true? To me (because I have not had an Awakening yet, still believe I'm human and everything is material and dualistic) it's all just concepts, because I have not experienced God in my direct experience (I realize that once awake I may/will realize it always as been in my direct experience). Just out of curiosity, have you fully experienced/awakened to being God/ Infinity/ the creator of universe and all of reality/the Truth of Truths, or is your views and shared wisdoms beliefs based on teachings?

Eventually duality and non duality supposedly merge. I only say supposedly as I am not there yet. Instead I spend increasing amounts of time naturally disengaging with duality and basking in nonduality. However people describe this as "utter bliss" but for me it's more comforting emptiness / wholeness. Also even when in duality and operating in the "reality" of duality, the nonduality is always quietly vibrating in the background. So maybe it has merged? I am not sure.

@Paul92 what's happening Paul mate, I'm aaron from Northern Ireland. Right, so straight away I'm just gonna tell you that all of these thoughts and emotions are VERY very typical to be seen in someone who is just about to embark on their spiritual path. So don't be depressed, just allow yourself to BE and keep following your heart. Excellent excellent excellent. Do NOT change this. And definitely do NOT believe in nonduality or spirituality. Belief leads to false revelations, and insights of the imagination... Imitations of the truth, instead of the truth itself. Don't reject any conceptualisations of nonduality, just don't believe them...see that whatever you imagine about god, isint actually god...it's your imagination. You will see certain truths when *God* chooses for you to see them. And not before then. It's very important that you neither believe or disbelieve anything. In other words, don't take any step in any direction. The only thing that matters are the practices, get familiar with self enquiry, kryia yoga especially, be careful with phyc's as well...they are explosive. Ohhhhhhh brother, this is FERTILE ground! Deeply philosophical mind, logical, analytical. Beware though, when using the mind to do philosophy, deep inner dissatisfaction arises (at least I find). I have an extremely deep mind, and I know that using it only brings more pain. Instead of eating more from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you should eat once from the tree of life and become alive. It's all about discovering who/what you are. When using consciousness to see the truth (which is itself, consciousness), God's love and joy and peace overflow out of your heart. You have to die like Jesus died though, the worst death. You must decend to the lowest parts of the earth, and die so that you can be born again of the great one...and become him. "When you close your eyes you see black, you are not the black, *you are the consciousness in which the black exists*." You truly mean this? You'd give anything to be able to live forever? then give your SELF, begin the process of learning what you are by learning what you are NOT. self enquire and search. What part of the body is "you" the left pinkie fingernail? Is that part considered "you"? If it we're removed, would you still be here? Yes? Then you can exist without your pinkie nail, which means the pinkie nail isint you. What about more foundational things like your face...if the skin around your face and mouth was removed and replaced with a new face, would you still be here experiencing life directly? Can "you" exist without your face? Is it "you." What, when removed, causes *you* to be removed. Emotional sensations? Memory? What determines what you are? Is it your taste in music? If that was gone would you still be here experiencing life directly? Find the self, and you will find the gift of God, eternal life. The truth is, you are already an eternal God, it's not your choice...you already are. (Don't believe this though remember! *FIND* the truth by asking and answering simple self enquiry questions) Ok, the concept of "chemistry" you have right now...is happening *within* your consciousness right nowwwww. The idea that it is not happening within your consciousness, is an idea that is also happening within your consciousness. You cannot escape this. The belief that consciousness does not exist, occurs within your consciousness. And the idea that other people have consciousness, is still just another idea... happening within *YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS*.

@Highest My sense is you’ve had some direct experience with nonduality and are at an immature developmental stage with it.

yeah there are many like you. it doesn’t matter you know, either you are a devil or you are a god. but both can have facettes. and you are still far from it - if you‘d understand nonduality really you‘d understand that. but you don’t. and thats why you are stuck. you think you already understood everything. while you just replaced your ego with god - but that’s selfdeception.

I'm sorry to say, but this is starting to look like zen devilry. Be careful... It's often when you think you're the most "protected" by your consciousness of the nondual that you're actually most vulnerable to your egoic desires. Carlos Casteneda talked about this in The Teachings of Don Juan. There are 3 obstacles for a man on the path of knowledge. The first is fear. I believe you have overcome that, as you are conscious of nonduality (God). The second obstacle is actually the hard-won prize from defeating the first obstacle: clarity. You can rely on your clarity so much that you use it in places that you shouldn't. To overcome clarity, one should almost look at it as if a mistake. Question everything about it. Learn when to use it and when not to. Stay humble. This is part of the sage's path. If you stop here, you will surely be defeated. If you happen to overcome the second obstacle, clarity, then you will be faced with the final boss: power. A man who fully succumbs to power will be permanently defeated. You must have a teotlized heart by this point, able to withstand any temptation. Notice that you are not safe or free from responsibility at any part of this journey. You ARE a sage whether you like it or not, and there are real dangers along the path.

god does not have an individual experience. if you still discern between i and others you don’t even know what nonduality means. as there is nothing inside of you that is yours to begin with. but you don’t see that as you are really lost in the mirror of yourself - the question is why you think you are so special? what did you do for it except entering a world? maybe driving a big car, fucking girls, smoking weed? indeed it’s really special!!! i would start following your highhestness for that alone, you’re not even nothing because you already define yourself perfectly with shallowness. and sorry to say it it’s really just what 99% of all males do who think they are something. you‘re not even an orange ? as this orange has a red coloring and looks a lot like a pill. it’s just hidden.

Nonduality = not two.

You are conscious you are God.... ”at the same time you can be yourself”? “And experience duality....” Reality is “in front of “you” “? ”Immerse in nonduality (not two) and duality (two).....”both worlds”...? If ”Everything is One”....then what is “the precious personal”? Who “makes love with that”? Who “immerses”, who is “your”, who is “self”, what is “that”? Who “attains”, what are “both worlds”, what is “full” awareness? If you are all that is, why the distinction between “becoming a sage”, and “girls and weed”?

@Highest thinking you are already it - you’ve already lost in the intellect game. nonduality also means your woman picture tells much more about your spirituality than your belief that you are one - because that’s what you then really are. the way you treat women is only the way you treat yourself.

Hey guys, anyone from here from Berlin? I would really love to connect with you in person. Posting in this subthread because I find that here are the people who specialize in spirituality/nonduality.

It's not until we have inner quiet that we can really observe our awareness. If you can watch your thoughts and emotions with detachment. That's being the Watcher or the witness. How about the quality of 'attention'? Can you direct all your attention on one thing? Or Is the attention dispersed some? Periodic daydreaming? A third category is drawn attention. Feelings tend to draw attention out from under our conscious control. The most important one I think is negative emotion. It's more difficult to maintain objectivity about. We identify with the emotional suffering and start becoming reactive usually. We identify when there is distress,,,,,, understandably, but it's re-entry back into hard duality of good and bad. Being the Watcher has a taste of nonduality, actually, in the sense that one is experiencing a greater feeling of being impartial and of spaciousness or 'oceanic' quality of experience. Experiencing inner quiet and being the detached watcher of thoughts and emotions continuously, usually takes a quite a bit of inquiry to build up the capacity to not get knocked out by life's random shocks. The watcher or the witness is called 'Observing I' in the fourth way which leads to a deeper experience called the 'Permanent Witness.' Ted Nottingham really explains it good. Hope this was some help.

> to remain in nonduality for significantly longer compared to 5meo dmt. There is no time in nonduality, isn't it? Just kidding. Thank you for the information.

Well I thought this could be important for some of you out there. Regarding a Megadose, I´m talking about 25g of dried mushroom. I only did it once so far. Now after working with 5meo, I look back at that 25g trip in another way. The peak experience on the mushroom trip (lastet about four hour... not quite sure, but pretty long) and it just went fully non-dual, extremely similar to 5meo dmt on a breakthroughdose. This ain´t a tripreport. What I want is to inform you about the possibility and method to remain in nonduality for significantly longer compared to 5meo dmt. Of course the experience is a completely other overall but in case you can handle a breakthroughdose of 5meo dmt and if you are confident that you could handle some extra strain... Could be highly worth it.

The "you" that is trying to get past, to surrender, to get close to nonduality...and resisting....that "you" is an illusion. Nonduality is all there is...even now.

so this is a recurring theme when i contemplate, i slowly start to become aware of my infinite nature, and my heart beat beats faster, i get dizziness, and then im thrown back into myself "the ego" its like a defense mechanism, my ego is like, NOPE not today, and i can't get passed it, today i tried to surrender to it, and got weird tension through out all my body, and then went into a dream state. my question is, how do i go past this, how do i surrender my ego at once?

@Homer definitely what sahil says, the only way is to be a positive influence, go on hikes, subtlely bring up deeper topics. Talk about your consciousness practices, meditation, etc and the benefits. There are many awesome benefits that even stage orange people can recognize. Don't be forceful, just be cool and be a good example. That is enough. Also, I noticed another forum member "highest" from Norway just posted a thread asking for a meet up! Might be awesome to connect with another forum member that's really into spirituality and nonduality. Peace

Ok, i had only couple of glimpses of no self and they lasted like few seconds lol. I don't think i actually fully experienced nonduality. But im curious about you guys. Here's what happened to me the other day: So i woke up one morning and i felt like.... like a.... a NO-thing. I really can not define what that really was, but it felt like i had no identity AT ALL, i couldn't even feel my body. It kinda felt like i was a piece of air with no form. Yet i was freaking out so much and was asking a question "WHERE IS ME? WHERE IS ME???". But after few seconds i was back, you know, back to my ego. I could "finally' remember my identity, my name, who i was as this ego, and i can vividly remember getting sense of my body back. My ego felt relieved again, cuz you know it was probably threatened by this feeling of no self.

I notice there is another thread on this topic. I suggest we move the conversation over there. The most recent post (as I type this) is from Gura himself who I think answers my question. It would have been ideal for Gura to mention this in the video itself, as many people will wonder about this. But that doesn’t detract from the excellence of the video. Here’s the copy/paste of Gura’s comment in the other thread: @Angelo John Gage The mistake you're making is conflating the Aztec state with their highest shamanic wisdom. Let's apply your logic to the USA. How come Donald Trump is putting children in cages and bombing the Midde East when we have people like Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti, and Peter Ralston teaching nonduality? How come we have Catholic priests molesting children when the truth of nonduality is readily available in thousands of YT videos? Every culture has vast diversity, from the lowest of the low to the highest of the high. The wisest people are never in charge, never in politics, never mainstream. And don't forget stages of development. Although the Aztec shamans accessed nondual states they were not high on the Spiral. They were mostly Purple, Red, and a bit of Blue. A stage Red person may access a mystical state and then cut out your heart and eat it.