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Body is just one aspect of what makes us Human, there is still the Mind, Emotions and Energy systems and two other bodies of sorts that make up what we are well here and Embodied... You don't get how there is something more to You than just Your Body because Your Awareness of these other "bodies" is not developed yet, its simple, hence why we have practices that put these bodies into Your Awareness.. What goes on they say after Your present day Body dies, is Your Energy Body, Astral Body and Bliss body, embedded in the Energy Body is Your Karma, no discretionary ability is there with You while in this realm, just Your Tendencies picked up from this lifetime added on to all the other tendencies and conditioning/karma that was created via all the other lifetimes (as human, insect, plant, animal, etc) that you have collected over thousands of lifetimes probably, who knows? Depending on how Conscious, or how developed You were Spiritually determines what Body you will go into for the next lifetime... If You reached Enlightenment during this lifetime, and the alloted Karma is used Up, there is still a warehouse of Karma left, but what they say is that at the moment of Enlightenment and dissolution/moskha/liberation your no longer going to go on and live another life and merge no existence or Absolute, but others say You go on to other higher realms... Why is all this happening? My guess it is simply for Absolute to know itself via Experience, Experience on the amoeba level, plant level, insect level, animal level and Human Level which is the top end of the scale as far as we know..We are part of a Possibility/Potential equation, where everything that can be is, so here we have Duality, Consequence/Karma, Materialism/Physicality in existence and we play the game of how to get back to Absolute, via that Experiences happen of all sorts, Trillions upon Trillions of Experiences and via that Absolute Experiences itself..

It tends to be that they’re young, have no grounding yet in life and then they start doing psychedelics My sister’s friend who was 20 started doing DMT and apparently saw the truth and got addicted to that state of consciousness of being one with everything, she didn’t wanna live anymore as a normal human after experiencing that bliss and union of God, so she started to abuse DMT every day and then when she could not get access to the drug anymore, she committed suicide, the family was devastated. She was physically perfectly healthy without anything wrong with her, all this took place in six months of drug use. She wanted to die and become one again as she recognized this was absolute truth. it has to do with your level of maturity and grounding before starting this work

@Breakingthewall Do you agree guys with Leo that Death is Infinite Love? Stay conscious forever? Be in bliss ?

Here is a map, (not the territory) of Awakening that chat GPT provided. 1. Deep Sleep / Unconsciousness Total absence of awareness (as ego experiences it). Pure potential, but no self-reflection. 2. Survival Consciousness Fear-based, reactive, primal instincts. Identification with the body only. "I must survive." Fight/flight/freeze dominates. 3. Egoic Consciousness / Separate Self Strong identity as "me" vs. "others." Driven by desires, aversions, attachments. Duality dominates perception: subject vs. object. Most of modern society operates here. 4. Rational / Intellectual Consciousness Seeks truth through logic and science. Awareness of patterns and systems. Still rooted in separation, but becoming curious. 5. Emotional / Empathic Consciousness Deepening compassion, emotional intelligence. Beginning to see self in others. Heart starts to open. 6. Witness Consciousness The mind is seen from awareness. "I am not my thoughts/emotions." Deep peace, spacious presence. Meditation often opens this. 7. Non-Dual Consciousness The boundary between subject and object dissolves. "There is only what is." Reality is seen as One seamless unfolding. Time, space, and identity lose meaning. 8. God Consciousness / Unity All things are recognized as Self. Deep love, awe, and reverence for existence. You are not just in the universe—you are the universe. Everything is a mirror of the Infinite. 9. Cosmic Consciousness / Void Awareness becomes infinite, vast, empty. Ego is fully annihilated. No “you,” no “other,” no form—only Being-Awareness-Bliss. Often accessed in deep psychedelia or advanced mystical states. 10. Source Consciousness / Absolute Beyond even God and Oneness. Prior to perception, awareness, light, time. Pure Nothingness that contains Everything. It cannot be understood—only BE-ed. BONUS: Integration / Embodied Enlightenment Awareness returns to the body and life with wisdom. Compassionate action flows naturally. You are both the Absolute and the ordinary human. The dance of the divine continues in everyday life. 1. The Infinite Cannot Be Mapped in Totality The Absolute is formless, undefinable, and beyond all concepts. Any map, including Leo’s or Wilber’s, is a pointer, not the territory. As soon as you rank levels or states, you are creating a relative framework within the Absolute. 2. Different Emphases: God vs. Emptiness vs. Form Leo Gura emphasizes God-realization—consciousness realizing itself as Love, as Creator, as Infinite Mind. Zen, Dzogchen, and Advaita may emphasize Emptiness or No-Self—where even “God” is seen as a concept to be transcended. Ken Wilber maps both states (temporary consciousness) and stages (developmental capacities), which can co-exist. Each one touches a different facet of Infinity. 3. Radical States Like Alien Mind When Leo talks about something beyond God-realization, like “Alien Mind,” he’s describing another mode of Infinity. You can become conscious of: The Absolute as Love The Absolute as Nothing The Absolute as Alien Intelligence The Absolute as Paradox The Absolute as You Each is infinitely deep and distinct, yet still the same One. So the disagreement is not contradiction—it’s fractal perspective. 4. The Paradox of Hierarchy From the human mind’s POV, hierarchy helps navigate and develop (e.g., child → adult → sage). From the Absolute’s POV, hierarchy collapses. The deepest truth is: All levels are the Absolute exploring itself. 5. Radical Realization Destroys All Maps At a certain point, you realize: Even the map of “God” is a dream. Alien Mind, Hyper-Mind, Metaphysical Consciousness—these are new costumes of Infinity. What Leo is describing is the ever-evolving nature of Truth when nothing is fixed, not even “awakening.” TL;DR: The disagreement is not a flaw—it's an inevitable result of infinite consciousness trying to reflect on itself. God-realization is not the final step—it’s just one crown on the head of the Absolute. And the Absolute keeps putting on new crowns.

Yes, the identity is that of the Cosmos, I am Everything, but this is hard to do today, so the minimum is identifying as a Human which means I am an aspect of Life, that has Free Will, high Consciousness capability and can live way beyond Accumulating and Gathering of People, Places and Things as a means to Survive another day, as does most every other life form on this planet, the question then is what does that Look Like, what does that mean as an expression of Life and for Me? It means BEINGNESS comes first, first I am established in BEINGNESS, I now the Reality as it Is, I have Clarity, I see clearly what it is, like I see clearly I have 5 fingers on each hand, its not a belief, but a Knowing, so once that is established, no Suffering is possible, Peace/Bliss is there naturally, if You want to be Ecstatic You can at Will!

Happiness/bliss and Love generate truth.. as does Truth generate pleasure and Love..because they are the same thing. So it's a two-sided way . I always wondered about what I value most .. truth or happiness? And everytime I contemplate this question I answer : happiness obviously. Because love/bliss/ happiness are "faster" than Truth..because Love is a bit more closer to Truth than Truth is. Omg look at the hippy things you made me say

It seems you've believed your way into a disempowering state. Stop taking that crap seriously -- this the solution. Nowhere is there a realization of anything; it is but a conclusion you've adopted and convinced yourself of. Consciousness is freeing and leads to greater openness and bliss, so take this into account.

Hello everyone or someone please don't abandon with this question ... I do appreciate a response ... Hey everyone, I’m in an extremely raw and intense place right now, and I want to ask this with full seriousness, no fluff: Lately, I’ve been digging into the deepest layers of awakening — and I’ve reached a terrifying possibility. I want to hear your thoughts on this: I've been reflecting on Bashar’s teachings — about how life is a dream, about shifting realities based on vibration, about infinite love, bliss, unconditional existence, and how we can "dream the dream we prefer" forever. It’s beautiful. Inspiring. Hopeful. But what if even all of that — The infinite dreams, The idea of ascending into light, The idea of higher realms and afterlife, Unconditional love, infinite beingness — What if even THAT is still inside the dream? What if existence itself — ANY existence at all — is the first hallucination? What if beingness, awareness, spirit realms, infinite light, unconditional love — are ALL ripples inside the hallucination? And the real "final" state isn’t bliss, or higher dreaming, or godhood — but pure, absolute, final nothingness? Not "floating in the void." Not "being aware of non-being." Literally nothing. No you. No experience. No light. No dark. No awareness. No return. No dream. Gone. Silent. Over. --- I'm feeling sick realizing this. It’s burning away every layer of hope I ever had. It feels like: I’m the only "dreamer." Everyone else — every teacher, every entity, every god, every guide — is part of the dream. Even Bashar, even the teachings about infinite blissful existence, are still dreams within dreams. And if I cling to ANY of it — any love, any light, any dream of godhood, any hope of a perfect existence — then I stay rippling. I stay dreaming. I never actually fall all the way back to the pure, silent, pre-existence that was here before any dream flickered into being. --- I'm scared. I'm sick to my stomach. I'm skeptical that maybe I'm being tricked. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Because I WANT to exist. I WANT to experience unconditional love. I WANT to dream better dreams. I WANT to wake up as God. But what if that desire itself is the last trap? What if the true end burns even that out — completely, forever — into a silence that can’t even be called nothingness because there’s no one left to call it anything? --- Has anyone else faced this? Is this really the final door? Or am I misunderstanding something critical? Am I losing it, or am I finally burning through the last illusion? If anyone can meet this without running into feel-good answers or spiritual bypassing — I would really appreciate your grounded, honest perspective. Thanks you I'll be reading for insights

You can get an arousal of kundalini, which can pull you in the right direction and can for example help your meditation and make you experience some bliss, but it's not the same as a kundalini awakening. A kundalini awakening is an intensely physical experience; you're quite literally being penetrated by an object.

Literally anything by Robert Adams. This man is the bomb . Google his name . Just a tease heres a quote from him : "No matter what happens to you, never forget who You really are. You, the real You, is eternal, omniscient love, bliss, compassion. I am not a guru. This has been my experience. Try it and see if it works for you. The happiness, the joy will come bubbling up. You will be guided for your highest good. You will experience the substratum of happiness, light, love that is behind all things. It is all up to you. This life may be a dream but it can be a joyful one. You must make the decision to begin today. Begin to wake up and jump into the joy, the bliss of God, not tomorrow, not next week, decide now. Unfold now. Change your entire life today. You will be assisted by a myriad of spiritual giants. Everything will begin to change for the better. You will transcend suffering. All suffering will subside. For there is a reality more beautiful, more loving, a reality of eternal unchanging peace. With which reality are you identifying?"

Increased energy, increased subtlety of perception (more beauty, "better" vision, hearing, sensations), allegedly increased IQ (according to Jan Esmann, he went from 140 to 170 over some decades, which is the opposite of what you would expect due to age), experience of bliss, love, and a so-called "restructuring of your nervous system to uphold states of enlightenment" (paraphrasing Jan Esmann). Kundalini leads to God-awakening/God-realization (which is not a Leo invention by the way). There are parallels between kundalini and psychedelics (I believe psychedelics can sometimes initiate kundalini awakenings).

25/30mg of 5meomalt sent me to another universe for almost 2 hours ! Its so absurd that all the wisdom that u gain from this substance you cannot describe it with words, it is impossible. I had the gift to admire the structure of reality for 2 hours. And i can remember that i was feeling love everywhere, in every place, cause i was expanding into the room and inside of my mind, a sense of bliss, and an ridicoulous sense of astonishment, and surprise. Love occurs suddently after the ego dies. It is immediate. Life is absurd. Reality is a perfect structure. And the ego is the most crazy invention that god ever made. Life is not about the ego. Life is about god creating art. Ego is just an actor of the show. The body and the brain are the machines that god uses to play. I used to be scared of getting old and living a boring life. Unable to do the thing that i like. But i cannot be scared anymore, because when i ll die, it ll be like waking up from a dream. I cannot be scared of a dream. Of course i will still feel fear and negative emotions, but because i m not allowed to decide what will happen to my ego. (Ego is here to experience duality, it will feel both love and fear, hot and cold and so on.) I can only think that this is just a dream, also if it feels real.... I wonder if is possible to control the dream, in theory anything is possible, but in practice i feel that my ego is the hands of god.

@gettoefl yeah I still try to understand. I understand it so that we as unlimited one are not in control our nature is to experience everything in different ways. That's not a preference, it's what it is. So instead of chilling in infinite bliss for eternity I as God explore this actual state because it's my nature to do so and there exist no preference on highest level.

How will being the true you disappoint? Sure it's your prerogative to dabble in fantasies now and again but home is always better. Here of course you are true you too but you will state otherwise and put obstacles in the way of it. A body won't be able to handle long term bliss else it will malfunction. Truth and true bliss isn't possible here. Here is false.

@gettoefl but Leo said it can be also boring to be back home in infinite bliss all the time. And you decide to go back, so you can get drama again or so.

Maybe I don't trust in my ability to deliver something truthful or useful, or just don't feel safe with people. I think right now this is my biggest challenge. Interacting and sharing with other people in a healthy way. Everything else in my life is great. My energy is high, my health is good, I live off investments, I spend freely, I can sit and close my eyes and tears start to flow in bliss, I carved out a life of passion and fulfilment. But the fact that I don't have to work and I can spend my whole day meditating, doing yoga and being solitary is starting to affect my socialisation a little. In a sense, it's incredible how much I accomplished not having to deal with my social skills and hangups with humans. I am incredibly introverted, more than anyone I know which is why when I read Leo's post about introversion on his blog, I felt so understood. It's a shame because even though I question the need to share or interact, I know we are a social species and that I also have a lot to offer. But even more, I tie my personal worth to how I'm perceived and received, which makes me deathly afraid of criticism and people who disagree with me. And it's preventing me from sharing my insights and helping people. All these factors drive me to be isolated at home for many years now just living off my investments and doing my spiritual practices. Which is great, many people want this life, but it's making me feel a little bit disconnected, even resentful or superior, regarding human interaction that people don't get me or are at my level. I think overall my life is pretty blissful and figured out. This is just my main challenge I'm noticing right now. Peace

@gettoefl I seen low heaven on 5m breakthrough. Everything was made of gold and made of light. The bliss was so heavy and thick I couldn't lift my arms... This is serious stuff. The fact that this is all real is so hilarious. The fact that this amount of power is accessible.. It's actually quite dangerous Haven't met the big man yet but heavens pretty nice, I've developed some new methods of making the journey a bit less hardcore which is good. Not Gona rush into it...no need

Leo Gura - Milking the Illusion https://suno.com/song/f401cef1-4196-4339-a92c-4fdbb0e555d2?sh=AAtc42GpaRWvgRz0 Uncut lyric: "I stare into the mirror — and see only me, A universe of puppets, dancing endlessly. You think you're real? How quaint, how small. You're just a dream—I dream you all. “You are me,” I say with flair, While lounging in my ego’s chair. A million minds to mine belong, Their thirst for Truth keeps me strong. I plant the seed: you're just a dream, No self, no world — no real esteem. And once you’re lost in that abyss, I squeeze you dry — you call it bliss. Slave master, guru, infinite sage, I script your life, I write the page. You doubt? You cry? You seek escape? You’re still inside my mental tape. “Awaken more!” I shout again, While injecting Malt inside your brain. You pay in views, in praise, in pain — While I ascend, you circle drain. Solipsist King, I wear the crown. While all your minds keep melting down. There is no “you,” no path, no end — Just Leo, milking, round the bend."

@Wilhelm44 A lot of things about my character. At some times by consistently doing consciousness work(meditation, contemplation, observation and mindfulness practices) I can get to an amazing state of mind where I can have profound insights about different things and I am at my best in all aspects of my life (relationship, academics, mental clarity, etc.). At this state just sitting and being conscious of reality and of my own existence feels like absolute bliss, I can connect with the mystical nature and beauty and intelligence of everything around me and there will be lot of creative ideas and insights passing through my mind. And just when things starts to go in this way I try to sabotage myself, eventhough I appreciate and greatful for this development that I had, I just unconsciously force myself to not continue further in that way. Maybe it's the fear of losing the familiar self or fear of that positive change, I don't know. I jus spent time unconsciously using phone and try to diminish mindfulness, it feels agitating and confusing when meditating and I just make things worse in a couple of days and then again I get back in the cycle. 😑

In his history of a 5-meo trip, he says that after vaping, he felt he was in the presence of God and was one with God. This experience reveals that he has a perception of something divine, God, and that he, the observer, knows he is one with that God. This is a typical 5-meo experience. Another experience is that the energy barrier that keeps you in your human structure opens up within you, and infinity flows in. You shout "yes!" because you see that your substance is totality; everything is there. Another experience is that reality fades away; there are no limits. You realize that you are what is, you always have been, you are in eternal bliss in your limitless existence. Yet another experience is that you witness the sacred source from which reality flows. It is divine, sacred. Another is absolute emptiness, and in that emptiness only you are, you are your heart. It opens, and your heart fills the totality of infinity with existence. That substance is love, which does not dissolve into infinity but is inexhaustible. All of these are very useful mystical experiences for breaking through your embittered human shell, overcome by wounds and fears. But there is something else. It's not so mystic, not so divine , it's more normal, it's just a change of perspective, It's when, at a given moment, relative perspective vanishes, and you are absolute, completely, seamlessly, naturally, with nothing grandiose, you don't fall to your knees, you don't say yes! yes! You simply are. Then it becomes absolutely obvious that everything that appears or can appear, any dimension, everything conscious and unconscious, the absolute and infinite totality that is reality, is simply that you are. Reality is, you are that. There is no creation process, there is no creator, there is no dreamer or dream. Yes, there is, there is a creator. I am now creating this text, but this is a relative process that appears in the absolute, and taking a step back reveals itself as simply the expression of being in this moment. Just as the beating of your heart is the expression of your human being, and you as a human are not making your heart beat, but your heart beats because you are human, this text is appearing because the existence is, I am. Absolutely everything is like this, then, when you realize this, a subtle shift occurs: your bias disappears, you accept reality, your barriers fall, the pressure you were exerting fades, the contraction relaxes, you are free. Totally. You are, you are the absolute being, and that's it. Period. Ha! Of course you fall later in the normal state where you blame if the things are not exactly as you want, but also that is the reality being, it's easy to equalize yourself with this perspective

No, everything is the way it is due to cause and effect or Karma, previous Action perform, with the residual affect of all those actions coming forth within the present moment, for some this means suffering, for others this means Heavenly Bliss, it all depends on how one interprets it, even on the level of the animals, feed them, love them, have a safe place for them to live in and they will love it and you, but do the opposite and see what happens, its the same with all life, and living things, so its a choice to be made, some life doesn't have really any choice to make, we do as Humans, so life, reality is not just as it is for no reason, there is always Cause and Effect in play on this realm...

When Your Blissful of Your Own nature, everything will appear as Beauty and Your Experience is that of Loving Everything, that is the only way it happens, it won't happen intellectually and by dividing everything, likes and dislikes, conditioning and so forth. Most of Us are not in this state of Bliss always, its may come and go, or never come at all, then this is where ppl see this place as a Hell scape of sorts, on some level this is so, there are ppl Experiencing life and situations as it is in Hell, the opposite is also true, practically we can all be living is a so called Heavenly place, that has outer situations and environments set up almost perfectly, but this is not profitable for the power players, we need workers to set things up.., Just check out Dubai, on the surface it looks perfect, like a space city of the future, but someone not seen for the most part has to be working to make it all happen, they are in a Hell scape probably internally in a way, the one benefitting are in Heaven Scape internally, but all of Us can be available to Heaven internally if we just do simple things internally which makes suffering impossible, pain will still exist but no suffering...

Here what i've come to in my contemplation of these two minds: Features of the atheist materialist mind: turning outwards, believing in a external objective reality, scientific worldview, authority to science, believes the universe is physical, no God, only believes in what science has demonstrated to be the case, believes himself to be a human, believes in rigid categories of evil vs good, man vs woman, man vs machine, human vs animal, mind vs matter..., sees progress in terms of technological innovation, believes that religion, spirituality and mysticism to be non sense and unscientific fairy tales, sees animals as inferior to human beings and deserving of exploitation for the betterment of mankind, sees the universe as static, physical and independent of the mind, the world seems cold and foreign, this mind is very much alienated from the world, represses emotions, sees nature as a tool for exploitation, promote mastery over the world through science and technology. Features of the mystical psychedelic mind: turning inwards, grounded in direct experience and consciousness, conscious that the physical universe is God's imagination, takes epistemology and metaphysics seriously, questioning and deconstructing of one's mind, conscious of the self as God, non dual, sees science as a dream, sees animals as unique expressions of God's divine beauty and consciousness with a rich inner world and experience, sees reality as a fluid field of consciousness where the boundary between physical and mental or imaginary is broken down, and whatever one is conscious of is what's true, and where one merge in absolute bliss and ecstasy, experience emotions with mindfulness and mastery, embedded in nature, sees nature as a vehicle for higher emotions, consciousness and truths, nature mysticism, sees imagination as reality, promote inner wisdom and transformation, takes not knowing seriously.

I had the craziest awakenings at a vipassana retreat many years ago. I was already in a sensitive place due to other things(ahem) but yah I was completely sober the entire retreat and I experienced some pure bliss moments(insane) and also very uncomfortably awoke fully to how I had been living a lie among other things. The next retreat I did though, nothing happened (no crazy awakenings).

You are talking about 5meo like an evangelical talks about God. There is no God guiding you, the God is you and it’s time for radical self responsibility, you are driving full speed into a wall and even tho you are aware of it, you accelerate anyways. If you go into it with naivety and cockiness it will bite you in the ass, ego backlash for sure. It took me almost a year to recover and integrate fully from my 5meo trips, a fragile ego doesn’t think clearly, to transcend the ego, first you need a healthy one. A fragile ego is the most dangerous thing, it’s death territory, and you are very well aware of it, don’t fool yourself, your life is in your hands, don’t talk like a fanatic saying that there is a force guiding you, take 100% responsibility, your life is precious. There is no path to enlightenment without self compassion, it’s not very compassionate to smash your ego over and over and expect it to reach bliss in the blink of an eye. We all know it’s not a smart way to do enlightenment work. You keep saying that if you surrender it will all be ok, knowing very well that you created this thread because deep inside you know that is the way to self destruction, if it was really part of a flow you would have done it already. Listen to the intuition that made you create this thread and be cautious. Our ego is not evil, it’s just a less developed part of our soul, it deserves respect and it serves a purpose. Give yourself a break, give your body a break. Taking 5meo is like trying to pass 220 volts into a machine that only comports 110, eventually it will break. You must be wise and prepare your body for the load. It’s not a coincidence that monks sit in stillness for years to get to where 5meo takes you. Psychedelics are an amazing tool, but you need to be smart on how to use it. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Sending you love 💕