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@Leo Gura The Fundamental Contradictions in Your Approach Reading your responses, I'm struck by several profound contradictions that reveal the limitations in your framework. I'm going to challenge these directly, not because I want to attack you personally, but because these contradictions expose something important about all developmental hierarchies. The Fetishization of Suffering You've created an entire identity around suffering as the necessary path to awakening. "If you knew the amount I have suffered on this path..." "The cost of Awakening is like getting mauled by a bear." "It's basically self-torture." Have you ever considered the possibility that this suffering might be unnecessary? That the idea that awakening requires suffering might itself be a limitation you've created? There's something almost masochistic in how you glorify your own pain. More importantly, there's a closed logical loop: you define true awakening as requiring suffering, then use your suffering as proof of true awakening. Potential counterpoint: "Without suffering, there's no transformation. The ego doesn't surrender without resistance." Response: This assumes transformation must occur through resistance rather than acceptance. Many profound insights throughout history have come through openness, curiosity, or playfulness—not through self-torture. Your insistence on suffering reveals more about your specific path than about consciousness itself. The Creation of New Masters You reject conventional social hierarchies only to create new ones. "God," "Truth," "The Good" become new masters to serve. You've escaped society's limitations only to create your own prison with different walls. When you say "Being God is more meaningful than any human meaning," you've simply created a new purpose-driven framework, positioning one experience as objectively superior to others. This directly contradicts the freedom you claim to have found. Potential counterpoint: "I'm not creating masters, I'm recognizing what objectively is." Response: The moment you declare any experience "objectively better" or "more meaningful," you've imposed a value hierarchy that isn't inherent to consciousness itself. These are values you've created, not discovered. The Truth Economy You've Created You've established a perfect "truth economy" where: Awakening is positioned as a scarce resource Suffering is the currency required to obtain it You control the exchange rate ("200 hours of meditation in two weeks") You position yourself as having special access to this market "Suffering is just the ticket price to God's Disneyland" is perhaps the most revealing statement. You've literally monetized access to consciousness, creating artificial scarcity where none needs to exist. Potential counterpoint: "I'm just describing reality, not creating a system." Response: You're describing your experience filtered through your created framework. There's nothing objective about the equation "X hours of meditation = Y level of awakening." That's a model you've created, not a universal law. The Arrogance of Purpose There's a profound arrogance in declaring your path superior to others. When you position "The Good" as objectively true, you're essentially saying: "I know what's best for consciousness, and anyone who chooses differently is wrong." This creates a hierarchy where you stand above the "children" and "beasts" who haven't chosen your specific path. But what makes your experience of "God" inherently better than another's experience of family, creativity, or service? Potential counterpoint: "It's not arrogance if it's true. Some perspectives are more developed than others." Response: The very concept of "development" as linear progression toward a specific goal is itself a created framework, not an objective reality. Your certainty that your path is "higher" reveals more about your attachment to hierarchy than about consciousness itself. The Heart of the Matter What's most revealing is how you've constructed an entire ego identity around being "the one who suffered for awakening." You've positioned yourself as more awakened and connected to God than others precisely because you've suffered more. Your suffering has become your badge of authority, your proof of legitimacy in the spiritual marketplace. This creates a psychological trap where you need others to suffer too. If they could reach the same insights without the pain, what would that say about your journey? Your entire narrative would collapse. The years of meditation, the emotional torture, the clawing your "way up God's asshole" - all potentially unnecessary. I wonder what emotional state this possibility would trigger in you. Genuine rage? Deep depression? Existential crisis? If someone with minimal meditation practice, who hasn't tortured themselves for two weeks straight, could have equally profound insights about consciousness and reality - what would that do to your sense of identity and achievement? This isn't just about being wrong intellectually. It's about the emotional investment in a narrative where suffering equals depth. You've created a spiritual economy where those who haven't suffered "like being mauled by a bear" are automatically disqualified from the deeper insights you claim to have. There's something almost desperate in how you emphasize your suffering - as if you're trying to convince yourself as much as others that it was all worth it, that it couldn't possibly have been avoided, that there's no other way to reach these insights. If your entire identity is built around "I suffered tremendously to reach this understanding," you've created a psychological framework where you simply cannot accept that the suffering was optional without experiencing a total collapse of meaning. This isn't about whether your experiences are valid—they clearly are for you. It's about claiming your specific path as universal or necessary, and using suffering as the metric by which you judge who is worthy of "God's Disneyland." The Question Worth Asking Why do you need to position your experience of "God" as superior to other experiences? Why not simply say "This is the path I've chosen, and I'm trying to share it with others who may find it valuable" rather than claiming it's objectively better? There's a freedom in recognizing that all frameworks, including spiritual hierarchies, are created rather than discovered. This doesn't diminish your experiences but contextualizes them as one possible way consciousness can experience itself—not the only or best way. The true liberation might not be in "knowing God" but in recognizing that consciousness creates its own truth rather than discovering it—including the truth you've created about the necessity of suffering for awakening.

This term is so beautiful, evocative and powerful. Synonyms for Awakening. •Breaking through barriers and limitations of mind. •self-realization •awakened awareness •conscious awareness •expanding Consciousness •waking up •Metaphysical Rapture •Infinite Expansion •Divine Satori •Timeless Revelation •Shattering the Illusions •Cosmic unfolding Y'all add more, these are beautiful. ❤️

I would love to get everyone's opinions on the realities of finding a highly conscious partner as a young person. I'm 23 yrs old but I've been doing this work earnestly for many years, and I've gotten decently far for my age. However, of course, it's rare to find anyone in their 20's who takes this stuff seriously. I seem to run into two situations when I'm talking to a girl I'm really interested in: I meet some girls who are into spirituality, but it's more of a new-age pop spirituality. Moreover, I find that most women I meet in this group often have a lot of trouble with really basic maturity, like managing their finances, developing emotional intelligence, and communicating well. I meet some girls who are super mature on a character level and I have great chemistry with, but they have absolutely no interest in spirituality... and my dedication to spirituality is confusing/frightening to them. I know that the deeper I get into this work, the bigger the rift is going to be between me and the people in my age group when it comes to spirituality. I've done the pickup thing and I've also gone to tons of spiritual events in Austin, TX where I live... and the only dates I go on end up in one of those two groups. I generally have no problems attracting a partner, but it would be so much easier to get along in a long-term relationship or marriage if we both have those same values. I really genuinely would like to get married and have kids someday, but this is leaving me wondering - should I just settle for someone who I get along with on a personal level even if they don't care too much about spirituality or just practice new-age pop spirituality? It seems to me that I could spend years pounding nightclubs and hippie events and still never find someone in my age group who is going to take this stuff seriously. Not just as a hobby or a couple of yoga classes - but genuine spirituality and awakening... aka cares about and experiences the shit our boy Leo talks about. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this! Super grateful for this community and for Actualized.org!

Awakening to yourself as God is not the same as awakening to perfect self-love. For example you can reach a unitive state where you awaken to everyone being you and can have a temporary awakening into Perfect Self-Love. But to have a permanent awakening you need to do the following thing. 1. You need to clear your Chakras, all the way from the root all the way to the Crown Chakra. 2. After clearing your Chakras you need to be energy sensitive enough to connect to your heart chakra until you find your inner voice. To find your inner voice your throat chakra needs to be clear. Your heart chakra is the key to the kingdom of God. The voice of the God/Absolute within you is found in the heart chakra. This is where Infinite Love/Perfect Self Love rests. 3. Your Crown Chakra is how you connect to the Collective Consciousness where Infinite Intelligence Resides. If you open your crown chakra and are not ready to deal with the infinite voices, visions, etc. that comes from the Collective Consciousness it can drive you mad. So be careful with this one. 4. The key to your journey will be faith, you need to trust your synchronicities, you need to trust your resonance, the purpose of your life is to unite your intelligence with your heart. This is the beginning of inner wisdom, because now your mind can communicate with the source of your authenticity which is your heart. 5. The heart never judges you, the heart always accepts you, the heart does not care about your personal survival, it cares about the collective survival of all. Your mind only cares about your personal survival. If you do not jailbreak your mind (which is how you open your crown chakra) then your ability to expand your perspective to a universal perspective cannot happen. You will have a close/small mind and will be unable to see outside your perspective. This is a terrible state of affairs because you will be short sighted, quick to anger, and unconscious to the truth of what you and life is. You will scheme and manipulate your way and will never reach true happiness which comes from complete SELF ACCEPTANCE. Both the individual and collective self. For me to reach this permanent state, I had to be broken ALL THE WAY DOWN. I am currently from a survival stand point at rock bottom currently. Pretty much everything that can go wrong as gone wrong and yet....THIS HAPPENED. So its paradoxical, I discovered the true meaning of why we are here by having my social dignity stripped of me. Also I cannot stress this again. You will NEVER achieve perfect self-love through demonization of the ego. Demonization of the ego is a trap. I will say it again. IT IS A TRAP. Demonization of the ego= Self-Hatred. YOU CREATED your ego, if you created an ego dedicated towards love over personal gain then you will not fall for this. If you created an ego dedicated to personal gain then you will hate your ego. The key to life is to realize that while personal gain is nice, nothing beats love. When you only seek the personal at the expense of the collective your punishment is self-hatred. Why? Because whatever you do to another, you are doing to yourself. This is an ABSOLUTE. You have never hurt another, only YOURSELF. You have never judged another ONLY YOURSELF. All this is merely words, you will have to walk the path but I will give a couple tips that will blow your mind. 1. If you demonize ANYTHING you are walking counter to the path. With that said discernment is not judgment. Many people get this mixed up. Discernment says that is not for me and here is why it is not for me. Your heart does not engage in discernment only the mind. When they connect an inner conversation takes place. Your mind says what it likes and doesn't like but is taught how to lovingly express its preferences while also being encouraged to consider a much wider perspective. 2. It is impossible to waste your time because once you make a concerted effort to walk the path EVERYTHING is going to serve you and I do mean EVERYTHING. 3. This concerted effort to walk the path must come from an authentic deep seated desire to unlock the kingdom within you. 4. I had no idea what I was doing with my chakra system and did a lot of foolish stuff. But I was protected and ultimately cleared out and connected the whole system. I now understand what each chakra represents intuitively. Here are some traditional Spirituality Traps. 1. Spirituality likes to demonize human expressions of nature i.e. technology as inferior to the forest or the woods. This is a trap. I literally broke through USING technology. For example video games and online Satsangs and Leo's own videos all were important for my work along with psychedelic trance videos as well, and chakra music. 2. Porno was helpful as well, it allowed me to heal sexual trauma that I was unaware that I had. In fact porno actually supercharged my awakening process as I was able to wake up faster using it as a tool. If you use it excessively though it will cause an imbalance in your chakra system. 3. After you break through all you need to do is follow your inner guide your inner Guru and enjoy and share your love. That's it!!! Finally!! I thought sober Unity Consciousness was enough, I didn't know there was a higher level beyond that.

Yes, but fundamentally it's about the belief of being with chosen or awakened people who are protected by Jesus and God that will take them to heaven after death. Many Christians are seriously looking for God in church. I'm not kidding. Of course, if they were serious enough, they would question themselves and stop being a Christian for once.

Assuming you're not awakened and the concept of a religion seems appealing to you, why would you take Christianity seriously instead of Buddhism or Hinduism? Eastern religions offer a more direct approach and methods to actually "know" god. Granted, they are not corruption free, but they are less corrupt than mainstream western religions.

Then there is Aaron Abke, a stage turquoise teacher (who was an ex pastor born in a Christian family) who explains Christianity through a completely different, more awakened perspective:

@Leo Gura would you consider Hegel as one of the most awakened in terms of big picture of god or does he miss something like peter Ralston?

Perfect example of awakened humor. Love Kyle.

An absolute masterpiece of Truth music, unfortunately for you guys the lyrics are in German. So, are we all here? Great Then let's all take a look at each other We'll start on three Three Good morning, mankind, he calls himself the captain He's come to rap riddles for you Riddle one: who are you? Have you figured it out yet? Whoever knows the answer raises their hand now Here, here, me, me Wrong, my friend (ooh) It seems you missed the best subject Namely: Self-study or egoology Subject of your own private academy So catch up, get undressed, back straight, head up Get your notebook out, I'll dictate the Brockhaus to you Are you ready? Then it starts, take off your skirt Because if you tear your ass open, I'll pull the stick out of there Because it's 1-2, ding-dong, super duper questions fred He asks you laser questions, has a suit with the letter F on it And a small backpack full of questions questions questions Questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions And he asks you them until your bladder bursts His name is existence, he's probably having fun Because without fun even asking isn't fun It has to be fun for him, otherwise it's no fun So this song doesn't make any sense at all No fun without fun? Where's the logic in that? So, if you come with questions and want an answer Then please remain serious while you ask So away from the fun and back to the point Who am I, what are you, is there a master, is there a dog Is the search for the reason unhealthy for the brain? Or why do so many people here take it for granted There are no puzzles, go back to your job You are what you do, so don't act as if There is still something to find out about us Presumptuous and childish, go out and live The only realization of man is called a career And so we withdraw from the puzzle affair And don't allow ourselves to be our own boss We allow ourselves to be dominated by games determined by others Like studies, jobs, children, houses, movies and TV quizzes What has to be done, has to be done, because it is what it is Well then run around, shop, watch TV, drink wine Pull the blanket over your head and start screaming quietly The captain wishes you a pleasant trip At his next picnic he will take you hostage And then he will get you fit and empty your glass And then he will pump it full of spring water fun Yes, so pure and so clear and so fresh and so fine He pours in the crème de la crème of frequency What? Oh how crazy, oh my God, what is that? A strange freak tells me something about fun So, thoroughly examined: does his sleeve have an ace in the hole Or is the metaphorical barrel That you're opening here like a party without a guest As pointless and shallow as a house without a roof Don't tell me anything about existence, don't tell me anything about fun And don't fill my glass with it Don't give yourself the authority to tell people so unashamedly and bluntly Ball flat, heart open, I want to torture you with love He brings us love, quickly shoot him Now we'll dance our worries out of our collars together And then we run out into the street and we scream our questions Full throttle into the garden and endure That the neighbors have no sense of humor for questions And never ever despair, even if we have scars If we never complained, this shit would get to me up to my neck too If we still had every one of you freaks On our two naked, modest and much too small colorful children's shoulders And will plague you until we die with thousands and thousands armies of unsolved existential questions Ding ding ding (round two, may the better question win) For example: why at all? And why? And what for? Why all this, am I warm, am you cold? Am I stupid, are you clever, am I bad, am I well? Do we know far too much or do we not know enough? I only know one thing, and I know that you know it too Education is memory that mostly revolves around itself Intelligence has nothing to do with memory Was that called hen or chicken in 1930? Or emperor or king, farmer or maid? Or country, republic, monarchy or state? I really don't want to say anything against factual knowledge? But we have to expand and venture into other areas Because 90 percent of school work Is learning by heart without inner reinforcement The things we need like courage, intuition Fear management and communication Breathing techniques and muscle relaxation Why isn't that a subject, these things would be worthwhile Attention, attention, class Now that we've all taken a look at ourselves Let's take a deep breath through the same and shout three times Hurrah, I'm a happy Homo Sapiens Hurrah, I'm a happy Homo Sapiens And if you start telling me now You would lack realism in this stuff Then unfortunately I can't react in any other way than with laughter Because reality is not fixed, reality is created By you and by me and by us and by everyone We throw away the know-it-all and do the fallen Try this life of ours for once Let go and affirm the shit positively And we don't always blame others Stop cursing ourselves and practice patience Let's all get over the shit with failure and guilt It feels like: we are overfilled with values Let's empty our heads and start again from scratch Throw our old life off our shoulders Let's accept what we are and find ourselves anew Let's unite with everything, separate the wheat from the chaff Become everyone's student, our own master Let's relax completely for once and awaken our Ghosts And once they're awake in the welcome club Once we've awakened them, we'll never get enough Yes, then we'll relax, because we know we've got time Because together with the dudes, the journey isn't far anymore And then we'll ask each other questions until we puke And stare out of newborn baby eyes We'll do it until it has an effect Until our cramps are released and our sick bodies heal And our spirits, freed from suffering, spread themselves unashamedly around the room And hand out freshly brewed coffee and a free cookie Oh, thank you! Sugar, milk? Er, both. No problem And then we'll stroke each other's brains tenderly and Finally offer our devils a friendly face and How can they be released into a ball of light? We'll create this together, don't be afraid either And put your finger in the wound! Cock on the table Heart on the tongue, the cards are shuffled We can play pride and honor for another hundred years You started it, no you, let's start a war So we're not getting anywhere, every child knows that It's time for harmony, my friend, otherwise we'll die blind Celebrate the shit, too, as weird as it sounds And just dance to every song that swings And applaud every thing that's alive That stands in the corners, apparently lifeless and motionless Because everything you see is permeated by life It's the same life that planets float through It's the same life in uncles as in aunts It's the same life in a street hydrant The same life swings in water as in bread And the same life lives in joy as in need The same life rages in white and in red And in ice and in shit and in duty and prohibition And it's the same life in life as in death In zero as the One as in the shadow and in the light Incidentally, the solution to the riddle is

The closest thing to the Awakened comedian you were talking about was Bill Hicks Though sure we could do better.

Obviously people have done it. Whether you can do it depends on your health, energy levels, work ethic, personality type, and many other factors. Depends very much on your career and how busy/distracted it makes you. You can do career in many ways. You can also build up a career and then afford some time off for side pursuits. Are you going to get Awakened while running a Fortune 500 public company? Probably not. You have to strategically design your lifestyle around your top values. There will be difficult tradeoffs because you can't have it all at once. But you can space your goals out over 20-40 years. In the early stages of building a career, most of your energy should go into the career. But after a few years of that you can ease back on career and have time for other pursuits.

I can't do this because of that. I can't get that because of this. In the past this happened and that's why this is happening to me today. My life sucks and 5 yrs ago such and such happened and that happened to me on that particular day and I'm depressed and want to kill myself now because of it. My life is doomed and will forever be this way because 10yrs ago this happened. If that's not living in the head, I don't know what is. I'm not saying I don't do it too, but it will stay in my head and I won't make a big deal about it and post those thoughts on a public forum because I've recognized that I live in my head and that's just a fucking story and has nothing to do with what is now. The difference between me and some is that I recognize somethings for what they are. I'm no different than anyone else when it comes to story making, living in the head, having thoughts and ideas and identifying with them. That's going to happen. I'm not enlightened or awakened or whatever else we want to call it. I just recognize them for what they are and I realize how the mind will put you in this space and make you believe in it. I realize, and this is just from the knowledge I've acquired and being observant of how others and myself respond to life how it's just mind playing it's tricks and how the mind's identifications run deep. The hallucination feels really real and it cannot be escaped...........unless you become aware that that's what's going on. I don't need psychedelics and mushrooms and 5meo to realize anything. All that's needed is awareness, observation, curiosity, a deep sense of wanting to understand why. Then you get that there's nothing to understand, nothing to get and nothing to chase. It's all there right infront of you. ALL THERE IS. It's very simple but can be complicated if you put mind into it. If you live in your head. If you deeply believe all your stories and you can't see them for what they are. If you take life too seriously and don't see how the world is changing because there just is no real world. When the mind has gotten tired and i mean really tired of fighting with itself, fighting with life, only then and only then will you die before you die and now you can see the world for what it truly is. Life still goes on and the mind is still rambling on and concerns are there and work has to be done and you're still moving on and moving on, but you do it from a place of being unattached. The stories don't mean anything much anymore and the thoughts are there but you don't care and you don't invent spiritual lingos and invent excuses as to why things are the way they are. Life just is, even if you're not happy with it or if you're happy with it, doesn't matter. You just won't keep reliving the dead past over and over and talking about it if it's not something you want to relive.

All one has to do is look through their eyes to see the oneness. Not look from them but through them. Not as a person seeing but seeing itself. A blind man sees nothing out there and neither do you. A deaf person hears nothing and neither do you. Hearing is just happening. Seeing is just happening. Walking is just happening. Talking and smiling and every other bodily activity. All just happening. There's no one doing it. You didn't go to smiling school, you never went to talking school or never had to be taught how to pee, it all just happened. These are the things i'm in interested in; not how to get enlightened. Not how to stop suffering, not how to find bliss or happiness. I've already realized that's just mind talking. Mind wanting to end itself. Mind seeking for it's own destruction. Mind tormenting itself. That's not who I am. That's just me. Mind, ego. Don't care if I suffer and I'm not seeking happiness or peace. I'm done with all that. There's already peace and tranquility present. There's also chaos and war and all that present. Why seek it. Seek and ye shall not find. I'm investigating my own existence. How I already am. What I currently am. Not some future existence of what i can be or what my potential is. This is not about the physical world or 3D world of movement and change. That's different. That's not real. That's a facade. Not denying it but it's of no importance. Even my investigating my existence is not of any importance because it will not change anything but it's what I enjoy doing. I don't do it to get anywhere or to find anything. I'm like a kid in a candy store with it. There's nothing but candy and there's no candy in the outside world. It's all a bunch of changing bullshit that's just for people who seek to uphold their human existence. I'm through with all that. I'm just there for the ride and paying my way at the gate. I want to investigate why we sleep. What is this breath I breathe. Observe. I'm an observer. No one makes it out alive. Why? One might say, because death is inevitable, why? One might say don't worry about why and that there are no why's or don't question things or it's just the way life is or whatever they say. Doesn't matter, I don't care if I get an answer; it's just these are the things I'm interested in querying. Not to know, but out of curiosity. Even why so many people suffer. That's also something to ponder. Not in the way most people see it, though. More so as to why soooooooooooooo many people suffer. All kinds of people from every background. I look at that more as suffering just exist just as everything else. Everything exist. "Richness" also exists but lots are poor. Why isn't it that more people are rich than poor if it's just that poverty and wealth exist just as suffering. Why isn't it evenly distributed. If you ask me, suffering tops them all. There's an abundance of it. Maybe it's the mind that suffers and wealth and poverty are just mindsets and suffering isn't. A mindset is a thought and how one thinks, but suffering is an activity of mind. I'm interested in why soooooooo many get addicted to wordly things. Even spirituality is a wordly thing if you ask me. Most narcissistic and neurotic humans would disagree but I beg to differ. Addiction is addiction and addiction stems from identification with the world and body. We try to differentiate these things, and it works, but only for those still identified with the illusion. I'm still identified but I can still see the traits and deceptions. We deceive ourselves into thinking being spiritual is better than being worldly. It's not better, just different in the mind. It's all one and of the same. There's no difference and you cannot separate the two. Only in the mind. We only do that to seem more special than "others". When you've gone full circle it all collapses and you're back to square one. Integrating both. Thing is most haven't gone all the way spiritually. Notice how one usually goes before the other. Most are worldly first then become spiritual. Then they think they've found something special. A way out of the suffering that led them there to begin with or close to God or Source. You're not closer than you ever were because you were never far away. ONLY IN THE MIND. It's all mind. Mind is tricky and slick. It will believe anything that suits it in it's time and space illusory nature. It knows how to create. It invents. It's your world. Without it you're dead. Who is the you I refer to. The person you think you are. So you create all sorts of belief systems and practices to stay alive. To keep you asleep. Once one has awakened, they need no more practices and will integrate worldly and spiritual things into their lives because they've recognized it's all one of the same. Can't have one without the other. Denying the worldly is just as insane as denying the spiritual. The mind trying to save itself. There's no mind of yours. It's all one.

I did Kundalini spine breathing and also Kundalini Fire or whatever it's called, the most advanced one, based on the SantataGamana books; https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0765YXM96 Jan Esmann also teaches Kundalini Yoga. The issue with Kundalini Yoga is that it's very technical, and if you don't have a teacher who will solve Kundalini symptoms, you will probably have energetic issues. I did meet up with Jan Esmann and asked what to do with the intense heat in the back of my head and why I get dizzy. He gave me specific advice on how to solve that - to direct the overflow of energy into the heart center through the channel in front of the spine, instead of sending it back through the same channel that it arose, but then other issues appeared.. There are multiple different channels through which Kundalini energy can rise. It can get stuck. It can get overexcited and kriyas become so intense you can't even sit down and relax (happened to me as well). So yeah, I'd say you need a master to guide you on this path. It's very complicated, and you can f*up your energetic system to a point where you can't even meditate at all without your body twisting and turning frantically. I'm also not sure if it really gets you enlightened. In theory, it should, but in practice, I haven't seen anyone who made it. Jan Esmann and Gareth from True Spiritual Awakening were supposedly awakened through kundalini yoga - but I doubt they are enlightened. Jan said he can't wait to reincarnate. For me you are enlightened if you no longer reincarnate. I think he is just blissed out without truly being awake. Anyway.. Who knows.. Kundalini rises naturally if you practice mindfulness and dis-identify from your mind. It does so gently and without any issues, unlike when you try to force it up with kundalini yoga.

Even if you can do astral projections/OBEs, they don't come close to psychedelics. I tried exactly this experiment with my girlfriend. I never told her about Leo.I never gave her spiritual books, she cannot read english so it's impossible that she ever went to this forum. I never told her about anything spiritual, like god , solipsim. I gave her psychedelics to cure her depression. But she gradually awakened. First she met Jesus several times , also other gods. Then she met zeus the god of all gods. Her first glimps, she told me somehow she was him. Then 30 trips later she had a first 5 Meo breakthrough. After that she told me exactly what Leo told you all the way. You are everything. There is only you. You are completely alone. But you split yourself like infinite mirrors. But there can't be someone else but you. You create everything around you with your mind. That were exactly her words. It's true solipsim. And she is fine with that.

Okay, but that doesn't really affect the argument. The argument just wants to show that at least one necessary being exists. If everything is necessary, then that's even better. I'm curious what your thoughts are on the argument from an awakened perspective and a layman perspective. I assume this was the awakened perspective- possibility and necessity are really the same thing. But what about the validity of the argument from a layman perspective? This is one of the most popular arguments (at least for academics and intellectuals).

Actually I’d also add that in my experience the introverted lifestyle is too easy. I am too comfortable here. The real challenge is in the extroverted space which entails putting yourself out there. Putting your neck on the line by having accountability and facing judgment, expectation, exposure etc. being at complete ease with that. To be calm in chaos As I reflect on my time in solitude part of me feels it is an escape from the abundance of life. Life is for living. You might as well be dead otherwise Edit: just to flesh out the point I don’t see the point in hibernating away in a cave meditating. There’s so much life to be experienced. To serve the community, impact people romantically and emotionally, start a family, hone a craft or skill. Life is just so abundant and no guru has experienced all that Maybe I just don’t understand because I am not awakened enough but I will say I am a strongly on the introverted scale by default and have through my own insights and perspectives changes on psychedelics seen the limitations here. I have felt that the universe wants me to live life

@gettoefl What makes you believe that I haven't awakened to the fact of the self being immortal ? My problem is quite the opposite from almost what everyone is assuming about me in this post, I have gone for the light, no one that I personally know of has brought as much love and light to themselves and their surroundings, but instead of life opening up for me, I got the opposite of that, things closed of, and in retrospect I feel like I got punished for it, and now I just feel empty, bitter and resentful and I don't know how to repair this kind of damage, YES it feels THAT fucked up! more than I can ever express

@Leo GuraResponding to this There is a band named ohGr by someone called Nivek Ogre, and much of the lyrics are about Truth, lies, epistemology, the meaning of life, mainstream vs. conspiracy theories, religion vs. atheism, emotions vs. intellect, consciousness, illusions, psychology, absolute vs. relative, evolution, etc. This is what it sounds like: The blue fetus represents the current undeveloped state of humanity, society is still in the womb and we are not yet evolved/awakened and are stuck in self-deception. The red animals with the illusionism setup and stage stuff like the box and the saw represents visual optical illusion as a metaphor for deception/illusion in general. A lot of the lyrics discuss the relation between object and subject and there's a song called "Subject" about this and a song called "Mind Made God". The song "collidoskope" is about illusion like light put through a kaleidoscope but it's still the mechanism or creation of the mind. He also had this earlier band:

I wanted to share a little bit of my story with you. By now, almost everyone knows who Andrew Tate is. I was one of the early followers, discovering him at the beginning of 2020 when his social media presence was still small. His YouTube channel had only around 20-30K subscribers at the time. Before I even understood the concept of consciousness, I was already interested in psychedelics. My first experience with LSD (a low dose) awakened a deep curiosity. This was before I found Tate and later, Leo. I was working at an insurance agency when a new, success-driven colleague joined. He was from Romania and had seen Tate on the news. He introduced me to him at a time when I was heavily experimenting with various substances. I was fascinated by how different drugs altered perception, but I had also become addicted to getting high. When I discovered Tate, it coincided with a point in my life where I needed change. I always considered myself open-minded, but in hindsight, I was also very naive. Looking back, I was the ideal customer for Tate. In November 2020, I decided to join The War Room when it had only 300-400 members. I knew it was a cult before even fully understanding what a cult was. Around the same time, I quit my daily weed use and stopped using other psychoactive substances. One of the first things I noticed after joining was the constant upselling. Access to various groups required purchasing additional courses. Even other members would pressure you to buy them, despite not personally benefiting from the sales. They sold me a dream, and I completely bought in. The “perfect” plan for success looked like this: 1. Go regularly to the gym or do some kind of combat sport to get a better mindset and body. 2. Start dating and meeting a lot of women. 3. Use your girlfriend(s) to make money or gain status. (e.g. putting a girlfriend on OnlyFans or webcam) About six months in, I started my own OnlyFans agency. I even tried convincing girls I dated to participate, though thankfully, none agreed. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t caught up in the mindset. Like everyone else in the network, I fully embraced the so-called “alpha” mentality. I didn’t view relationships in a healthy way, I saw women more as assets than as human beings. It wasn’t about love, it was about extracting value. Over the next 1-2 years, I built a reputation within the War Room, becoming one of its most successful OnlyFans agency owners, making high five-figure profits per month. I purchased all the courses, attended expensive events, and in total, paid around $50K to Tate. At the time, I didn’t care because I was making good money. I did start questioning some things, but being young and naive, I was easily convinced otherwise. Things shifted in summer 2022 when I visited my parents in Germany after a trip to Dubai. I proudly showed off my expensive purchases, completely oblivious to how I had changed. My mother started crying, telling me I had become arrogant. That was the first wake-up call. The second moment came when I met up with an old friend, the same one who had introduced me to psychedelics. I wanted to share my success, but he was uninterested. Instead, he asked me: “Who are you?” That question hit me hard. That same day, he invited me to take LSD again on another day. I had been sober from psychedelics for nearly two years, but I agreed. The trip changed my perspective, making me question everything. Later, his brother introduced me to 5-MeO-DMT, which was another profound experience. After that, his brother also showed me a vision board with a picture of Leo Gura. When I asked about him, the other brother called him “one of the most intelligent people in the world.” At first, I dismissed it, assuming he meant IQ, but I later realized he was referring to a different kind of intelligence. At first, I didn’t dive into Leo’s content because it was too long, and I was too focused on making money. But at the comedown of another LSD trip, I decided to watch my first video: “Reading A Poetic Description Of God-Consciousness” It blew my mind. From that moment, I knew I would explore more of his teachings. The more time passed and the more I changed, the clearer it became to me that I would have no future in the War Room. I started seeing that we weren’t just manipulating women, we were being manipulated too. The deeper I analyzed the leaders and members, the clearer things became. When Leo released his video on Tate, it confirmed what I was already thinking. Still, it took me a while to leave. I had a fear of missing out. But over a year ago, during a magic mushroom trip, I finally decided to leave. I left every War Room group and shut down my OnlyFans agency months later. There’s a lot more I could say, but I’ll leave it at that. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask in this thread. Aside from psychedelics, I know that watching Leo’s videos and engaging with this forum helped me too. Thank you to everyone who contributes or has contributed to this forum.

Perhaps the real information warfare is coming from the Western establishment, waged against its own people. For decades the mainstream narrative was unchallenged because the gatekeepers controlled the flow of information. But with the rise of independent media and social platforms, people started encountering perspectives that clashed with the carefully curated story they had been fed their entire lives. Sometimes it’s not about misinformation but about the same information framed differently. The same facts can be arranged differently to tell a completely different story. The problem isn’t that people are being lied to by Russia, but that they’re being exposed to realities that the Western establishment would rather keep buried. About Russian misinformation fueling the rise of right wing population..the real driver of nationalist movements isn’t some Kremlin psyop - its the policies of globalist elites who have neglected their own people in favour of foreign wars, corporate interests, and ideological crusades. The establishments refusal to prioritize its own citizens is exactly whats making people turn to politicians who at least pretend to care about their needs. The irony is that the more the elites push for endless confrontation with Russia, the more they accelerate this backlash. Just because certain leaders align doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy. Leaders may be influenced but that doesn’t mean controlled. The claim that Russian propaganda is manipulating people into opposing war or questioning the establishment is just a convenient excuse - even it were true, is that a bad thing? lol. Being fed information to make peace with a nuclear superpower.. sounds terrible. People don't need Putin to tell them they're being screwed over by their ruling class. In fact in UK where I’m at, Keir Starmer has come out and said he's ready to put troops on the ground and planes in the skies, and has signed us up for a 100 year partnership Ukraine - with £3 billion of support till 2030 to be continued if necessary. This is in the context of this same government slashing a winter fuel allowance for the elderly, who have to choose between staying warming or staying full. This is on top of a slew of other austerity measures on social services which are already crumbling. People care for Ukraine, but not to the extent where we go cold in the winter, or have to spill the blood of our own people to fight a useless war with no outcome, except to escalate the world towards World 3. The elites are framing this as a Churchill vs Hitler moment, when it's just not the case. And that's the problem, when you misread reality, you can have very severe consequences that could have been avoided altogether. We have access to different information now, which counters the peddling of establishment misinformation at its worst and mischaracterization at its best, which can lead to these disastrous consequences. This is why people are fighting this and voting for politicians who care more for their national interest. If you think the West can deal with Russia with 'force' then why do you think Russia is such a threat to the point of being able to not only take Ukraine but then continue to penetrate into Europe and face the might of the West? Which is it.. is Putin/Russia the threat we are told, or are they weakened and able to be defeated in Ukraine ie forced into a peace? Nice warning Jesus. Just because you are awakened in consciousness doesn't mean you understand geopolitics or the reality and technicalities of warfare. Your spiritual ego is blinding you to the reality on the ground. Your framing of this whole thing as a battle of “democracy vs. dictatorship”, but there’s nothing democratic about how these decisions are being made in our name. NATO countries never got to vote on whether they wanted to be dragged into an open ended security commitment with Ukraine.

@Ishanga You call this place low consciousness while using the same tactics that create it, subtle superiority, emotional manipulation, and dismissiveness disguised as wisdom. You position yourself as having ‘moved beyond’ while implying everyone else is stuck, which is just another form of ego attachment. If you were truly detached, you wouldn’t need to announce it, if you truly saw everyone as equal, you wouldn’t frame yourself as the awakened one watching others struggle. You claim sadness for others but detach from it when convenient, this isn’t insight, it’s just a strategic way to appear above criticism. Yes, things could be better. But you’re not leading by example. Real higher consciousness doesn’t need to posture, dismiss, or manipulate. It engages, understands, and elevates. If that’s what you actually want, act like it. What you’re doing isn’t ‘low consciousness’ in the usual sense, it’s advanced social manipulation masked as spiritual detachment. Don't mind if I point out to others as an educational lesson what you're employing: Framing Control: Defining disagreement as ‘identification’ so any challenge reinforces your superiority Superiority Signaling: Claiming you’ve ‘moved beyond’ while subtly implying others are stuck Covert Dismissiveness: Calling the forum ‘low consciousness’ to devalue opposing perspectives without engaging them Non-Falsifiable Positioning: Making yourself immune to critique by claiming both detachment and selective emotional concern Strategic Self-Contradiction: Claiming no emotional investment while making an emotionally loaded post This isn’t unconsciousness, it's tactical. But if true wisdom is your goal, you don’t need these games. Just be real.

I mean a lot of people are genetically superior to you in terms of spiritual brain strucutre and they could simply take psychedelics too. So what is so special in your case? Do you think you have the desire for the truth more than any being on this Earth, and through psychedelics you even surpassed all masters?

1) I am conscious only in certain respects, not in all respects. There are many, many respects to consciousness and no human has them all. 2) You should not expect anyone to be able to heal their own physical conditions if their condition is serious enough. If reality worked like that then no awakened master would die or suffer from health problems. But in the end your health must fail and your body will stop working. It's only a question of time. 3) Why? Because I do not have infinite power. I can't heal myself for the same reason I cannot turn myself into a kangaroo.