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In this specific case, if the guy couldn't take it and then committed suicide, it wouldn't hurt others. It'd only hurt people with spiritual concerns because then Ayahuasca would be demonised even more. People who stumble upon awakening are rarely understood by their communities. And speaking of rare; One friend of mine experienced a natural (without drugs) crisis several years ago, but then he received a lot of support from his social circle. Right now, he's stuck at stage Blue and the materialistic paradigm because of that. That support held him back in terms of growth. He still mainly acts from fear instead of love. And he has lots of neuroses as far as I can tell. I don't want to make generalisations and I don't know what would happen to him if I introduced him to actualized.org or spirituality. My intuition tells me it's not a good idea. But anyway, the point is, I guess, with more suffering comes more growth. Suffering gives rise to more purification.

@MrMog wow I really hope he didn't commit suicide. Guy have unlimited sex, is rich and it just shows you how mental illness doesn't care about it at all

MATCHING OF HOROSCOPE The various factors to be considered in match making in order of importance are :- 1. Longevity of partners. 2. Mental and psychological health. 3. Factors showing separation or divorce. 4. Compatibility of partners. The question of compatibility between partners will arise only if first 3 factors indicate that both are going to stay together. An approximate estimate of longevity of both the partners should be indispensable. What is needed is to examine the birth charts for premature death. If there is wide gap in longevity of two, then matching of other factors become redundant. The span of life is divided into 4 categories namely – (i) Balarishta (ii) Alpayu (iii) Madhyayu (iv) Purnayu. The life span between 40 to 75 years is described as Madhyayu, where as longevity beyond 75 years is considered as Purnayu. There are standard combinations of planets, which give idea of longevity of a person. Purnayu is indicated if benefics occupy kendras and Lagna lord is with benefics or aspected by Jupiter. Also when 3 planets in 8th house occupy exaltation, friendly and own sign respectively, long life is indicated. The same is the result when Saturn or 8th lord is conjoined with an exalted planet. The Lagna and Moon should be strong for long life. Mental and psychological health of the partner can also be examined by position of Lagna, Moon, sixth and eighth houses. The separation or divorce is also to be looked into by examining in detail 7th, 8th, and 9th houses. 7th houses is the house of marriage, 8th house rules ‘Mangalya’ i.e. strength of marital bond and 9th house rules ‘Sowhhagya’ or good fortune. The presence of 7th lord in 8th indicates chances of separation. 289 Mutual disposition of Mars and Venus plays a very important role in marriage. Venus is associated with spouse, material comforts, sex harmony, physical beauty etc, where as Mars abounds in energy, aggressiveness and in association with Venus gives a tendency to excess of sensual gratification. Venus-Mars disposition although an important factor for physical attraction but in the absence of Jupiter’s or even Saturn’s benign influence, real compatibility between partners may be lacking. Venus–Mars conjunction makes one fond of pleasure, demonstrative and adds a zest to one’s sensual life. Therefore after examining basic structure of horoscope of partners, it is ensured that long married life is indicated. When this assurance is indicated, question of compatibility of partners comes into picture which is examined by ‘Mangali Dosha’ and ‘Gana’ agreement. ‘Mangali Dosha’ means harmful effects of Mars. Among the malefic planets, Mars has come to enjoy such an important role in breaking of marriages that the harmful influence of Mars has come to be known as ‘Mangali Dosha’ and boy or girl having defective influence of Mars in the horoscope is generally known as ‘Mangali’ boy or ‘Mangali’ girl. Why the Mars gets such an importance in the matter of marriage ? The interaction of Moon and Mars causes menstruation in a woman every month when the Moon is passing through Apachayasthana from ascendant. The Moon controls the fluid matter of a woman while Mars signifies the blood and combination of two is cause of menses. The process of progeny and pregnancy depends exclusively on menstruation cycle in females. Mars is lord of blood system in all human beings. Semen in males get formed through the process of blood system. Therefore progeny is not possible without blessing of Mars. Apart from this Mars is a fiery planet and rules warmth in human body, energy, strength, courage, bravery, organizing ability, feelings of brotherhood etc. Mars is also the lord of 290 skin, the outer dress of body. Influence of Mars alone can create another body and another life. Astrologers have determined the houses from where Mars adversely influences and affects the 7th house, which is concerned with marriage, the married life and relationship with spouse. If Mars is in 1st, 2nd, 4th , 7th , 8th and 12th house in a horoscope, native is said to suffer with ‘Mangali Dosha’. The Lagna represents body, the Moon represents the mind and Venus the sexual organs. Therefore houses are reckoned from Lagna, Moon and Venus. The dosha is considerably weak when it exists from Lagna, a little stronger from the Moon and still more powerful from Venus. ‘Mangali Dosha’ gets cancelled if it is there in horoscope of both the bride and bridegroom. The Mars in the 1st house indicates annoyance, anger, irritation and disturbed state of mind of self, in the 2nd house presence of Mars may lead to financial breakdown, loss by cheating and violence between husband and wife. Presence of Mars in 4th house adversely affects the domestic atmosphere and in the 7th house introduces element of fire between husband and wife. In 8th house Mars acts as ‘Marak’ for spouse and person is involved in extra – marital relations. In 12th house, it may lead to wasteful expenditure, punishments, disturbance in the sleeping comforts, venereal diseases, extramarital sex etc. There are several combinations referred in astrological texts, which nullify harmful effects of Mars. There are total 36 Ganas and in the Gana agreement, compatibility of partners is examined from various points of view relevant to happy married life. The various aspects and points assigned to them are :- 1. VARNA - 1 2. VASYA - 2 3. TARA - 3 4. YONI - 4 5. MATCHING OF LORDS OF MOON – SIGNS - 5 291 6. GANA - 6 7. BHAKOOT (MATCHING OF MOON SINGS ) - 7 8. NADI - 8 VARNA : The Varnas as per Moon- signs are as under :- Varna kshtriya vaishya shudra brahman Moon Aaries Taurus Gemini Cancer Signs Leo Virgo Libra Scorpio Sagittarius Capricorn Aquarius Pisces Varna indicates capacity of native to shoulder responsibility of family. To run the family smoothly, it is considered necessary that Varna of boy is better than of that of girl. Depending on Varnas of boy and girl, points are assigned as under :- Varna of Boy Varna of Girl Brahman Kshtriya Vaishya Shudra Brahman 1 0 0 0 Kshtriya 1 1 0 0 Vaishya 1 1 1 0 Shudra 1 1 1 1 If Varna of boy is lower than that of girl then if lord of boy’s Moonsign is of better Varna, then marriage is considered compatible in respect of Varna. The Varnas of different planets are – JUP – VEN - BRAHMAN SUN – MARS - KSHTRIYA MER – MOON - VAISHYA SATURN - SHUDRA VASYA :- This agreement is very important for mutual attraction between husband and wife. The Vasya are of following five types : 1. CHATUSHPAD 2. MANAV ( DWIPAD) 3. JALCHAR 4. VANCHAR 5. KEET The Vasyas of different signs are as under :- Aries – Chatushpad, Taurus – Chatushpad, Gemini – Manav (Dwipad), Cancer – Keet and Jalchar, Leo – Vanchar and 292 Chatushpad, Virgo – Manav, Libra – Manav, Scorpio – Keet, Sagittarius – Manav and Chatushpad, Capricorn – Chatushpad and Jalchar, Aquarius – Manav, Pisces – Jalchar. VASYA means capacity to control others. Depending upon nature and behaviour VASYAS have been classified in four categories namely – Vasya, Friend, Enemy, Bhakshya. If Vashyas of boy and girl are friends 2 points are given, if one is Vasya and other Enemy 1 point, if one is Vasya and other is Bhakshya ½ point and if they are mutual enemies or Bhakshya they do not get any point. The points given depending on Vasyas of boy and girl are as under :- Vasya of Boy Vasya of Girl Chatushpad Manav Jalchar Vanchar Keet Chatushpad 2 ½ 1 ½ 1 Manav ½ 2 0 0 0 Jalchar 1 0 2 2 2 Vanchar ½ 0 2 2 0 Keet 1 0 2 0 2 TARA :- Taras are of 9 types namely Janm, Sampat, Vipat, Kshem, Pratyari, Sadhak, Vadha, Mitra, Atimitra. Out of these 9, Vipat, Pratyari and Vadha are considered inauspicious. Tara signifies likely problems in married life. Inauspicious Tara indicates differences in thinking of boy and girl. To find out Tara of boy count from Nakshtra of boy to Nakshtra of girl and divide the same by 9 and depending on remainder which may be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 0, Tara is found in the same sequence as mentioned above. Similarly Tara of girl can be found out by counting Nakshtra of boy from girl. The points for Vasya are given as under:- 293 Tara of Tara of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Girl Boy1 3 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 3 2 3 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 3 3 1 ½ 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 1 ½ 4 3 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 3 5 1 ½ 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 1 ½ 6 3 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 3 7 1 ½1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 1 8 3 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 3 9 3 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 1 ½ 3 3 Asvini - Horse Magha – Rat Moola – Dog Bharani – Elephant P.Phalguni – Mongoose Purvashdha – Monkey Krittika - Goat U. Phalguni - Camel Uttarashadha – Cow Rohini – Snake Hasta – Ox Shravana – Monkey Mrigsira – Snake Chitra – Tiger Dhanishtha – Female (Human) Ardra – Dog Swati – Bufallow Shatbhisha – Horse Punarvasu – Cat Vishakha – Tiger Poorva Bhadrapad – Male(Human) Pushya – Ram Anuradha – Deer U. Bhadrapad – Cow Ashlesha - Cat Jyeshtha – Deer Revati – Elephant MATCHING OF LORDS OF MOON SIGNS :- The relationship between lords of Moon – signs of boy and girl is found out and points depending upon the relations of lord of Moon – signs are assigned as under : 294 1. If both are mutual friends - 5 2. If one neutral and other friends - 4 3. If one friend and other enemy - 1 4. Mutual neutral - 3 5. If one neutral and other enemy - ½ 6. Mutual enemies - 0 7. If both have same lord - 5 This can be represented as per following table : Lord of Moon Lord of Moon Sun Moon Mars Mer Jup Ven Sat sign of Girl sign of Boy Sun 5 5 5 4 5 0 0 Moon 5 5 4 1 4 ½ ½ Mars 5 4 5 ½ 5 3 ½ Mer 4 1 ½ 5 ½ 5 4 Jup 5 4 5 ½ 5 ½ 3 Ven 0 ½ 3 5 ½ 5 5 Sat 0 ½ ½ 4 4 5 5 GANA : The birth Nakshtra are classified under the three Ganas namely Divine (Deva), Demon (Rakshash) and Human (Manushya ). The classification is as under :- 1. Divine (Deva ) - Asvini, Mrigsira, Punarvasu, Pushya, Hasta, Swati, Anuradha, Shravana, Revati 2. Demon (Rakshash) Krittika, Ashlesha, Magha, Chitra, Vishakha, Jyeshtha, Moola, Dhanishtha, Shatbhisha. 3. Human (Manushya ) Bharani, Rohini, Ardra, Poorva Phalguni, Uttar Phalguni, Purvashdha, Uttarashadha, Uttar Bhadrapad. It is considered that a native would have nature in accordance with Gana. The nature indicated by different Ganas is – Divine (Deva) - Dignity and goodness Human (Manushya) - Combination of good and bad. Demon (Rakshash) - Contempt, meanness, selfishness 295 Marriage between boy and girl belonging to same Gana is considered best. The marriage between Human and Divine Gana is considered workable. Marriage between Human and Demon Gana is prohibited. Marriage between a boy belonging to Divine and Girl belonging to Demon Gana is prohibited. The Divine, Human and Demon Gana correspond to Satvik, Rajsik and Tansik nature. Points for Ganas are assigned as per following table - Gana of Girl Gana of Boy Divine Human Demon Divine 6 5 1 Human 6 6 0 Demon 0 0 6 BHAKOOT (MATCHING OF MOON SIGNS) : If moon sign of one is counted from other, there is possibility of following relationship between Moonsigns of boy and girl– 1 : 7 or 7 : 7, 2 : 12, 3 : 11, 4 : 10, 5 : 9, and 6 : 8 The mutual relationship of 2 : 12, 5 : 9, and 6 : 8 is not considered good for marriage. Out of these three relationships, 6 : 8 relationship is considered the worst as it adversely affects the health and longevity of couple. It may also lead to divorce or suicide or murder of one by other. Maximum cases of suicide or murder after marriage belong to this category. Next bad relationship is 2 : 12 which adversely affects wealth, savings, spending, and mutual relationship in the family. The 5 : 9 relationship adversely affects the fortune, faith, religious activity, progeny and ancestral inheritance. Except in these relationships, 7 points are assigned. Even if relationships of 6 : 8, 2 : 12, 5 : 9 exists, 4 points are assigned if lords of both the signs are mutual friends. NADI : There are three Nadis under which all the Nakshtra have been 296 divided . viz. ADYA NADI – Asvini, Ardra, Punarvasu, Uttar Phalguni, Hasta, Jyeshtha, Moola, Shatbhisha, Poorva Bhadrapad. MADHYA NADI – Bharani, Mrigsira, Pushya, Poorva Phalguni, Chitra, Anuradha, Purvashdha, Dhanishtha, Uttar Bhadrapad. ANTYA NADI - Krittika, Rohini, Ashlesha, Magha, Swati, Visakha, Uttarashadha, Shravana, Revati If boy and girl both belong to same Nadi, it is considered ‘Nadi Dosha’ and marriage in such case is not recommended. Nadi Dosha adversely affects the compatibility and health of married couple. Nadi means pulse or nerve. It indicates physiological and hereditary factors. In following two circumstances, Nadi Dosha gets cancelled – 1. When Nakshtra of boys and girl is same but Pada of Nakshtra is different. 2. When Rashi of both boy and girl is same but they have different Nakshtra. Nadi of girl Nadi of Boy ADYA MADHYA ANTYA ADYA 0 8 8 MADHYA 8 0 8 ANTYA 8 8 0 •••••••••••• http://vedicastrologytolearn.blogspot.com/2010/12/matching-of-horoscope.html?m=1

That is the point I’m getting at, that is the contradiction in the story. I quoted the story which said that “a guru in India later verified that the dude left his body and didn't simply die by suicide or overdose”. And so I ask how can there be a guru left to verify it if mahasamadhi brings the whole universe to an end? By definition, the story must be wrong unless, again, I’m misunderstanding. And if we agree that the story is wrong then we must extend this reasoning to all claims of mahasamadhi.

@Leo Gura You said “While I love the idea of being the first and greatest, I have read reports of a Western guy who attained mahasamadhi from LSD. He was actually meditating in a cave, did a bunch of LSD, and simply left his body for good. A guru in India later verified that the dude left his body and didn't simply die by suicide or overdose. If you believe the stories that is.” This seems illogical. I can appreciate it might be paradoxical but perhaps you can point me to a flaw in my perspective? Elsewhere you have described mahasamadhi as God - as the only being there is - ceasing to imagine the physical universe. If so then there should be no one else left behind to verify, no? Otherwise it is not the whole physical universe which is dissolving, but only one perspective of it, since others still exist to verify another’s mahasamadhi. I believe I heard you say that mahasamadhi means no one is left behind, you bring the whole reality with you. If I’m wrong then by solving the contradiction I might uncover and transcend some hidden assumption. Or maybe I’ve misunderstood something basic. I wonder if you might say something such as I am the only being and I am imagining others. Does that then mean in this universe there has never been a mahasamadhi - only hearsay of it - since i have not done it? It’s tricky stuff...

I agree, I’m not going to try to preach a gospel. I just want to save people from poverty, suicide, murder, etc. The world is cruel and I want it to not be. @Verdesbird Here are a few examples of exactly what I'm talking about. *Graphic content edited by moderator.

While I love the idea of being the first and greatest, I have read reports of a Western guy who attained mahasamadhi from LSD. He was actually meditating in a cave, did a bunch of LSD, and simply left his body for good. A guru in India later verified that the dude left his body and didn't simply die by suicide or overdose. If you believe the stories that is. Some interesting food for thought. I am certainly nowhere near that level of consciousness without 5-MeO-DMT. I also wouldn't call what I experienced as a rainbow body. I would call it becoming an infinite singularity of love forever. It is totally formless consciousness. Like becoming pure potential with no actualization.

Murder, suicide, and abortion are absolutely the same. It’s not that God love’s abortion, it’s that abortion too, is God. Guilt, shame, etc, all made up. Or not.

Happy Birthday Leo. I've commented on your videos a few times but, I just wanted to repeat that if not for you videos breaking me out of the materialist paradigm, teach me about God and the Devil, get me to meditate, and to seek out a mystical experience through psychedelics, there's a 50% chance I'd have committed suicide by now or I'd just be spinning my wheels inside the scientific paradigm as a depressed, cynical loser perpetuating horrible cycles, So seriously, thank you man. Your work has utterly transformed my life. Hell, even your video on addiction was the the key that helped me quit alcohol and tobacco. Good lord man. I always think about how if I hadn't clicked on your Youtube video in the thumbnail and stuck around, I might be dead or worse still torturing myself to this day. It's that thought that makes me just wanna enjoy whatever I have and not give too many fucks because it kinda feels like a fluke that I found you to be honest. And this joy and wholeness, that I found, I could very well never have found it.

I like Teal Swan. I feel like she's one of the few psychology/mental health teachers that gets to the root of issues. A lot of her videos are still kind of surface level or 'quick fix' kind of things, but she definitely still provides root fixes in a lot of her content which I haven't found anywhere else. I've had problems with social anxiety and really low self-esteem all my life, and her videos on shame, self-trust and self-love have all really helped me to get an understanding of where my issues are coming from. I have also been using her book 'The Completion Process' over the past few months to go into my past and find the trauma that caused my low self-esteem. It has worked extremely well and for the first time I'm actually building true, lasting self-esteem whereas nothing else has worked for me. I do kind of get that vibe from her that she seems kind of inauthentic, and it seems like she doesn't really connect with people or her audience well when teaching, and so I wouldn't be too surprised if she has done some shady stuff, but I know for sure, from my own experience that her information is high quality and has genuinely helped me overcome my deep rooted self-esteem issues (caused from an abandonment trauma in my childhood) which no other self-esteem building technique has helped me to do. As for the thing about her embracing suicide, I think its just a misunderstanding about the fact that you have to feel into your emotions and go towards them to be able to process them and move past them. if you resist and reject your thoughts on suicide it will just make your problem worse.

Shift of theme. "Absence of joy is slow suicide." -Ocke de Boer "Any attitude other than peace or joy is egoic". - Jesus through ACIM Paraphrased by me through often faulty memory. Proper use of grammar is uninteresting and time consuming. Free pass on pronoun use here. I, me whatever. Doesn't matter here. Just express it. Run on sentences are ok too.

Hehe. Me too, as a rarely talk of my suicide attempt anymore. It was in 2009, and I prefer to leave it behind me, usually. Guess I get triggered occasionally. Oh well.

@Meta-Man BTW, did you miss the suicide survivor part, lol.... i wasn't afraid. The fact I survived wasn't by choice.

@Meta-Man I didn't read anything amazing in that...maybe you can copy/paste something from it that you are referring to? However, I'm a suicide survivor and ever since I'm not attached to my ego in the same way some here are. I am not afraid of its death. I'm attached still to its desires/fears to an extent, but it actually distinguishing isn't a fear I have. That was lost after I woke up from a 5 day coma. I've never had a fear of death since.

Hi everyone, this a long one, with a lot said. I hope you can make out what I am trying to convey! Just to be up front, I also copied and cherry picked some really good quotes, or string of words from Leo’s most recent responses in the “I think Leo is triggering the insanity that is already within you” to help add to the context and flavour of my “What’s Next” topic that I am sharing with you here. What I am sharing is some of my own experiences and awakenings I had on DMT almost 1.5 years ago. It has taken a long time to put my experiences into meaningful words that make sense to me, and hopefully to some potential readers. I find writing down my experiences has really helped me process my understand of who I Am, which I find is always an ongoing experience and is always changing. So here goes! Before we get into Leo’s quotes, I will share a combination of experiences from several of my DMT trips. At the peak of one of my DMT trips, I experience nothing, I was nothing = consciousness. There was no Me. Then “I” (as in a thought “I”, for the sake of expressing the inexpressible) became aware of this huge limitless ocean of energy, no thoughts existed, just a sensation and texture of endless, boundless energy. Time did not exist. Eventually a thought transformed in, or from a Conscious? field of Energy. Once the thought appeared, a sudden orgasmic explosion of thoughts, ideas occurred out of the formless field of Energy (for lack of better words) which seemed to occurred from no-where. Love = consciousness “experienced” the All-That-Is, giving birth to everything, and everything was also imagined and was also nothing. (if that makes any sense) Am, became aware of an infinite space, followed by infinite Cosmoses within this infinite field of energy space, followed by our Universe, then galaxies, then Planets, Earth, Life on Earth, humans, Me, my family, friends, etc. I mean everything. But at the same time, Am was nothing within consciousness (difficulty to explain) No me, but everything at the same time. Everything seemed to be in a dream state. Eventually, “I”, not the Human Mind “I “, was in transition between the All-That-Is and my limited Human Mind. I felt Love, and at the same time felt alone. I was Love/awareness feeling the space of oneness, and at the same time I was this limited Human Mind with all these imagined experiences, and yet I was “Alone”, because I was aware of being “One” simultaneously. (Don't get hung-up on the "I" please, I don't know how else to discribe it) Thoughts were swirling around in this nebulous space of Love = consciousness = imagined Limited Human Mind. As I was slowly descending back into my Human Mind Consciousness, I started to question; Why should I bother returning to my imagined Human Mind and Body? Why “forget” most of who “I am”?...... I am One.... What’s the purpose of being a limited Human Mind and physical body? Everything is imagined, my family, friends, the pleasures and pains, the suffering and joys of duality are just a fabrication of the Mind, a huge infinite hologram imagined! It’s just a Dream! I tried several times to let my imagined limited human mind die, (an imagined psychological mind suicide, for lack of better words) to let it disappear into the empty canvas of nothingness = consciousness = Love, but to no avail. What I eventually realized is that there is no such thing as Life and Death, there is only a reduction or expansion of consciousness in Form and Formlessness, within the All-That-Is. Eventually I was aware of time, and I sensed consciousness slowly reduce its self to slip into a limited Human Mind, into the reality of form, and into my imagined body. (It seemed a long stretch of time had passed during the transition) It wasn’t until 5am (started around 9pm) when I was steady and conscious enough with the inner workings of my Mind and body connections, to be able to walk back to my room from the DMT ceremony. During the next several hours my mind swirled with thoughts, ideas and imaginations in what seemed to be a higher state of awareness. I was questioning; why am I here? What’s the point? I even imagined calling an imaginary taxi to pick me up from the imagined Ayahuasca center to take me to an imaginary desert, to bask in the imaginary sun and heat with my imaginary cold case of beer, and imagined the thought of “Just letting Go” of this imaginary dream. Expand to One! Expand to Love! Because it’s nothing but imagination, I can’t die! There is no death! There is no wife! There is no Earth! So why keep playing this imaginary game? I am One = Love = Consciousness = nothingness = Void! As I pondered my thoughts, ideas, imagination, it really started to sink-in what the implications of being an imaginary limited Mind, within a “one” conscious mind. It was mind boggling. I was playing with this realization, or awareness, for what seemed like a long time before falling asleep later in the day. I understood the basic theory of it from the Human Mind psychological state, before doing several trips on DMT, but to witness it play it’s self out on a canvas of consciousness = nothingness (for lack of better words) as; Love = Thoughts = Energy = consciousness = = = = was sobering but also surreal. “You don’t know, what you don’t know.” After experiencing Consciousness at a DMT level you start to become aware of the “Knowingness”, but you really won’t know the “dept” of “anything”! No One can Know the full depth of “Everything” and “Anything”, from the limited Human Conscious Mind. Agree or disagree, this is my Truth! For the Next year and a half, I have been contemplating thoughts from a Physical Body and Human Mind state, what am I? what I am suppose to do with this new awareness, new layer of consciousness, of Me, with my imaginary Human reality, within Love = Thoughts = Energy = consciousness = Nothingness = etc. Regardless of how hard I tried to imagine being absolute Consciousness, absolute Love, absolute All-That-Is, I kept returning to this imaginary human body awareness and Human Mind consciousness. I could not escape the limited mind consciousness of ideas, imaginations within imaginations, beliefs within beliefs, feelings within feelings etc. Every morning I would wake up from my dream sleep state and with some awareness I watched how effortlessly I slipped into my physical whole-body dream state. The transition from the sleep dream to physical dream is mind boggling and frustrating. It’s unbelievable how easy my mind consciousness slips into my perceived physical body and physical reality, but how difficult it is to reverse the sequence back to the sleep dream state, without falling into a sleep state. (if that makes any sense) The deeper I go, the more layers I find. Where do you stop? How far do you go? Having said that, let’s look at a few of Leo’s most recent thoughts, ideas, and beliefs he shared in the forum: As long as you are in this body, you will have biases and you will not be able to love totally. Life is about limitation and selective love. It's not about total love. I prefer the word imaginary. It's not a trap it is what is. That’s what Oneness is. It is a hallucination. And you are alone. enlightened masters still have biases. Maybe they don't have ego, but they still have a mind. And the mind is full of biases. Even the body is full of biases. ABSOLUTE LOVE -- free of all biases. But there is only one thing which is capable of ABSOLUTE LOVE -- a totally selfless being. And a totally selfless being must have absolutely no form or attachment of any kind. This cannot be accomplished in human form. It can only be accomplished by the purely formless Godhead A living being is incapable of perfect Love because a living being must be attached to survival in order to be alive. Only a non-living being is capable of perfect love, which means death. if you want true lack of all bias, that's called death. That's called God. That's called Infinity. And a human is part of Infinity but not the whole of Infinity. Try to love truly unconditionally. You'll find it impossible until you die and surrender absolutely all form. Formed love is limited, finite, and conditional. The highest love is a pure abstraction. Yet it's more real than all form. Within an Infinite Mind, abstraction comes prior to manifest reality. Abstraction is highest Perfection. You can be relatively selfless, but not absolutely selfless. Only the Godhead is absolutely selfless. Not living beings who must look out for their survival. To even compare your human organism's selflessness to the Godhead's selflessness is silly. You're infinitely far away. And that's okay because you are limited. Your body can't lift a 1000-pound stone and it cannot lift its analog of love for similar reasons. Thank you, Leo, these quotes are similar to many of my thoughts, ideas, and beliefs that I have contemplated and realized, but you are the Master when it comes to articulated thoughts and ideas, from the imagined Human Mind Consciousness, to Pen, to paper! So here we are! God-Head = Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = One = Zero, everything from that is Imagined and a dream, So what’s Next? What do I do with my imagined limited Self? What imagined self? What we? What I? What here? What purpose? What – What? What why? What do I do with my imaginary physical “self” Loop, that will have any useful meaning and purpose? What’s next, from the imagined Limited Human Mind form, which has been contemplative since my imaginary DMT experiences. Pondering this imagined, Limited Human Mind, atoms, molecules, organs, body, thoughts, ideas, imagination, beliefs, feelings emotions etc., with all it’s imagined mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, catalyst energy aspects that have been swimming in this imaginary reality, which is Nothingness = One consciousness. “Eventually I found my self deliberating, what’s next? at an imagined Spiritual intersection”. Do I just sit with Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = imaginary Dream = =?? and that’s It? Do I Let Go of this limited Human Mind and become absorbed (for lack of better words) with the absolute Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = imaginary Dream etc.? Do I explore the Limited Human Mind personality that I am imagining, and play with all my probable personalities, probable pasts and future self’s, play with conscious layers and awareness of form and Formlessness? Play with 4th, 5th and possible 6th dimensions and multidimensional realities from a conscious Physical reality state? Do I just allow my limited human mind and physical personality to become more and more awake and conscious of Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = One = Zero = Imagined = Dream =, and keep imagining my wife, my life, and play along with my imaginary physical reality until it’s time to leave it behind? Or, Do I do all of them simultaneously? Are there any other options? What’s Next? What’s Next after you are aware of Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = One = Zero = Imagined = Dream etc., and touched the depth of your imaginary “limited” human dream reality? Yes, I have moved beyond the spiritual intersection and chosen a few paths from an infinite variability of probable paths to explore and expand my awareness. Just to be clear! I am not interested in someone’s advice as to what path “I” should be taking, or if my thoughts, ideas and beliefs of reality, awareness, or consciousness are correct or flawed! What I’m really interested in; “has anyone else found them-“self” at this imagined Spiritual intersection from Leo’s forum and membership? If so! What’s your thoughts, ideas, and beliefs of What’s Next? What are your thoughts of Consciousness = Nothingness, from a Limited Human Mind Conscious state after you realized you are imagined within the All-That-Is? Is there a What’s Next? Or?

Hi everyone, this a long one, with a lot said. I hope you can make out what I am trying to convey! Just to be up front, I also copied a few good quotes, or string of words from Leo’s most recent responses in the “I think Leo is triggering the insanity that is already within you” to help add to the context and intent of my “What’s Next” topic that I am sharing with you here, to help better explain some of the thoughts I sometimes have difficulty putting into words, which he says so beautifully and to the point. What I am sharing is some of my own experiences and awakenings I had on DMT almost 1.5 years ago. It has taken a long time to put my experiences into meaningful words that make sense to me, and hopefully to some potential readers. I find writing down my experiences has really helped me process my understanding of who I Am, which I find is always an ongoing experience and is always changing. So here goes! Before we get into Leo’s quotes, I will share a combination of experiences from several of my DMT trips. At the peak of one of my DMT trips, I experience nothing, I was nothing = consciousness. There was no Me. Then “I” (as in a thought “I”, for the sake of expressing the inexpressible) became aware of this huge limitless ocean of energy, no thoughts existed, just a sensation and texture of endless, boundless energy. Time did not exist. Eventually a thought transformed in, or from a Conscious (?) field of Energy. Once the thought appeared, a sudden orgasmic explosion of thoughts, ideas and imaginations occurred out of the formless field of Energy (for lack of better words) which seemed to have occurred from no-where. Love = consciousness “experienced” the All-That-Is, giving birth to everything, and everything was also imagined and was also nothing. (if that makes any sense) Am, as infinite space, imagining infinite Cosmoses within this infinite field of energy space, followed by our Universe, then galaxies, then Planets, Earth, Life on Earth, humans, Me, my family, friends, etc. I mean everything. But at the same time, Am was nothing within consciousness (difficulty to explain) No me, but everything at the same time. Everything seemed to be in a dream state. Eventually, “I”, not the Human Mind “I “, but also the Human Mind “I”, was in transition between the All-That-Is and my limited Human Mind. I felt Love, and at the same time felt alone. I was Love/awareness feeling the space of oneness, and at the same time I was this limited Human Mind with all these imagined experiences, and yet I was “Alone”, because I was aware of being “One”, simultaneously. (Don't get hung-up on the "I" please, I don't know how else to describe it) Thoughts were swirling around in this nebulous space of Love = consciousness = imagined Limited Human Mind. As I was slowly descending back into my Human Mind Consciousness, I started to question while sinking into my Human conscious Mind; Why should I bother returning to my imagined Human Mind and Body? Why “forget” most of who “I am”?...... I am One.... What’s the purpose of being a limited Human Mind and physical body? Everything is imagined, my family, friends, the pleasures and pains, the suffering and joys of duality are just a fabrication of the Mind, a huge infinite hologram imagined! It’s just a Dream! I tried several times to let my imagined limited human mind die, (an imagined psychological mind suicide, for lack of better words) to let it disappear into the empty canvas of nothingness = consciousness = Love, but to no avail. What I eventually realized is that there is no such thing as Life and Death. There is only a reduction or expansion of pockets of consciousness, within pockets of consciousness playing with pockets of limited states of Form and Formlessness, within the All-That-Is. Forgetting and un-forgetting. Focusing and narrowing consciousness away from the One consciousness. Flowing from one pocket of consciousness to another greater, lesser or equal pocket of consciousness, splitting pockets of consciousness within pocket of consciousness, expanding within and beyond pockets of consciousness of form and formless. Eventually I was aware of time, and I sensed consciousness slowly reduce its self to slip into a limited Human Mind, into the reality of form, and into my imagined body. (It seemed a long stretch of time had passed during the transition) It wasn’t until 5am (started around 9pm) when I was steady and conscious enough with the inner workings of my Mind and body connections, to be able to walk back to my room from the DMT ceremony. During the next several hours my mind swirled with thoughts, ideas and imaginations in what seemed to be a higher state of awareness. I was questioning; why am I here? What’s the point? I even imagined calling an imaginary taxi to pick me up from the imagined Ayahuasca center to take me to an imaginary desert, to bask in the imaginary sun and heat with my imaginary cold case of beer, and imagined the thought of “Just letting Go” of this imaginary dream. Expand to One! Expand to Love! Because it’s nothing but imagination, I can’t die! There is no death! There is no wife! There is no Earth! So why keep playing this imaginary game? I am One = Love = Consciousness = nothingness = Void! As I pondered my thoughts, ideas, imagination, it really started to sink-in what the implications of being an imaginary limited Mind, within a “one” conscious mind meant. It was mind boggling. I was playing with this realization, or awareness, for what seemed like a long time before falling asleep later in the day. I understood the basic theory of it from the Human Mind psychological state before doing several trips on DMT, but to witness it play it’s self out on a canvas of consciousness = nothingness (for lack of better words) as; Love = Thoughts = Energy = consciousness = = = = was sobering, but also surreal. “You don’t know, what you don’t know.” After experiencing Consciousness at a DMT level you start to become aware of the “Knowingness”, but you really won’t know the “depth” of “anything”! No One can Know the full depth of “Everything” and “Anything”, from the limited Human Conscious Mind. This is my Truth experienced! For the Next year and a half I contemplated my thoughts from a Physical Body and Human Mind state, what am I? what I am suppose to do with this new awareness, new layer of consciousness, of Me, with my imaginary Human reality, within Love = Thoughts = Energy = consciousness = Nothingness = etc. Regardless of how hard I tried to imagine being absolute Consciousness, absolute Love, absolute All-That-Is, I kept returning to this imaginary human body awareness and Human Mind consciousness. I could not escape the limited mind consciousness of ideas, imaginations within imaginations, beliefs within beliefs, feelings within feelings etc. Every morning I would wake up from my dream sleep state, and with some awareness, watched how effortlessly I slipped into my physical whole-body dream state. The transition from the sleep dream to physical dream is mind boggling and frustrating. It’s unbelievable how easy my mind consciousness slips into my perceived physical body and physical reality, but how difficult it was to reverse the sequence back to the sleep dream state, without falling into a sleep state. (if that makes any sense) The deeper I go, the more layers I find. Where do you stop? How far do you go? Having said that, let’s look at a few of Leo’s most recent thoughts, ideas, and beliefs that I believe add to the topic and with my experiences and perceptions: As long as you are in this body, you will have biases and you will not be able to love totally. Life is about limitation and selective love. It's not about total love. I prefer the word imaginary. It's not a trap it is what is. That’s what Oneness is. It is a hallucination. And you are alone. enlightened masters still have biases. Maybe they don't have ego, but they still have a mind. And the mind is full of biases. Even the body is full of biases. ABSOLUTE LOVE -- free of all biases. But there is only one thing which is capable of ABSOLUTE LOVE -- a totally selfless being. And a totally selfless being must have absolutely no form or attachment of any kind. This cannot be accomplished in human form. It can only be accomplished by the purely formless Godhead A living being is incapable of perfect Love because a living being must be attached to survival in order to be alive. Only a non-living being is capable of perfect love, which means death. if you want true lack of all bias, that's called death. That's called God. That's called Infinity. And a human is part of Infinity but not the whole of Infinity. Try to love truly unconditionally. You'll find it impossible until you die and surrender absolutely all form. Formed love is limited, finite, and conditional. The highest love is a pure abstraction. Yet it's more real than all form. Within an Infinite Mind, abstraction comes prior to manifest reality. Abstraction is highest Perfection. You can be relatively selfless, but not absolutely selfless. Only the Godhead is absolutely selfless. Not living beings who must look out for their survival. To even compare your human organism's selflessness to the Godhead's selflessness is silly. You're infinitely far away. And that's okay because you are limited. Your body can't lift a 1000-pound stone and it cannot lift its analog of love for similar reasons. Thank you, Leo, these quotes help more clearly express my experiences and thoughts, ideas, and beliefs that I have contemplated and realized in the last year or so. Your Mastery to articulated your thoughts and ideas into short, concrete statements, and phrases really help convey my thoughts and add depth on this topic from Mind, to Pen, to paper! So here we are! A very, very small microscopic limited Human Conscious Mind, imagined within the One Conscious Mind, playing and creating imagined realities within a limited sand box of consciousness infinite grains of conscious units, which can be mixed, stirred and shaped together into infinite states of diverse realities of all shapes and colors. All of this within other infinite sand boxes of consciousness, with the freedom to play, hide and seek, with thoughts, ideas, imagination, beliefs feelings and emotions, to create, expand, regress, dream, explore who and what we are from a very limited, removed conscious mind of the All-That-Is. What do I do with my imagined limited Self? What imagined self? What we? What I? What here? What purpose? What – What? What why? What do I do with my imaginary physical “self” Loop, that will have a useful meaning and purpose? What’s next from the imagined Limited Human Mind form of atoms, molecules, organs, body, thoughts, ideas, imagination, beliefs, feelings emotions etc., with all it’s imagined mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, catalyst energy aspects that have been swimming in this imaginary reality, which is Nothingness = One consciousness. “Eventually I found my self deliberating, what’s next? at an imagined Spiritual intersection”. Do I just sit with Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = imaginary Dream = =?? and that’s It? Do I Let Go of this limited Human Mind and become absorbed (for lack of better words) with the absolute Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = imaginary Dream etc.? Do I explore the Limited Human Mind personality that I am imagining, and play with all my probable personalities, probable pasts and future self’s, play with conscious layers and awareness of form and Formlessness? Play with 4th, 5th and possible 6th dimensions and multidimensional realities from a conscious Physical reality state? Do I just allow my limited human mind and physical personality to become more and more awake and conscious of Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = One = Zero = Imagined = Dream =, and keep imagining my wife, my life, and play along with my imaginary physical reality until it’s time to leave it behind? Or, Do I do all of them simultaneously? Are there any other options? What’s Next? What’s Next after you are aware of Love = Consciousness = Nothingness = One = Zero = Imagined = Dream etc., and have touched a profound depth of your imaginary “limited” human Mind dream reality? Having said that, I have experiemented with some new ideas to explore what's beyond the spiritual intersection I approached earlier, and have chosen a few paths from an infinite selection of probable paths to explore and expand my awareness. What I’m really interested in from those of you that have read this post; “has anyone else found themselves at this imagined Spiritual intersection? If so! What’s your thoughts, ideas, and beliefs of where you are, and What’s your Next, if any? What are your thoughts, ideas and beliefs of Consciousness = Nothingness, from a knowing that you are a Limited Human Conscious Mind, and that you are imagined within the All-That-Is? Is there a What’s Next? Or What? Thanks for reading the full length of the topic! An imagined student sharing thoughts, ideas, and beliefs, who is open to hearing another imagined someone share their thoughts, ideas, and beliefs with similar experiences!

@LfcCharlie4 Regarding school, I always cringe when someone come at me with a "It's necessary for you to have a good life". It's astounding the amount of devilry and delusion that happen within the education system at large, and my school specificly. Over here, we judge how good a school is by looking at how well the students score on test. The teachers aren't very "teachery" either, belittling their student combined with vocal/physical abuse. Which lead to mental illnesses and sometime suicide. It's torture watching my classmates wondering through life not even knowing they are being mistreated. Completely backward, the system is. School should be available for free to all people of all ages. School should be available through out the week. Students should be taught differently depent on their SD stage. Students should be able to pick their desirable subject(s), basic math and mother language is mandatory, spirituality is also a must. Sex ed, emotional mastery, critical thinking,... should be taught as well. Not suitable for today's society, it's something i hope we will inch toward.

"The question 'why,' because it can be asked interminably, never leads to any interesting answers. If you ask me then why am I proposing this, I could say, 'Well, I'm making a living this way, or I have a message I want to get across to you.' But that's not the reason. I am talking for the same reason that birds sing and the stars shine. I dig it. Why do I dig it? I could go on answering all sorts of questions about human motivation and psychology, but they wouldn't explain a thing, because explaining things by the past is really a refusal to explain them at all. All you're doing is postponing the explanation. You're putting it back and back and back and that explains nothing." ~Alan Watts The point of life is life itself. Being a human. Doing great and stupid things out of an endless sea of possiblities. Out of love. When you wake up - -i.e. realize life is a dream -- there are no reasons to look down on the game or leave it behind (either physically by suicide or socially by going out in the woods/mountains to live in isolation ((even that is a game in itself)). There are no reason to judge people playing the game very seriously. They are great actors! Give them instead an applause for their great acting skills. You've always been an actor. You' ve just forgot it. You got so into the role of playing X, Y, Z that you forgot it was a role. Waking up is just the simple 'remembering' of being an actor, playing. Actor = God / Nothingness Role = Your ego Now that you've waken up to this reality - i.e. that life is a dream/game - you can still play it! And now you can play it endlessly more free than before. You will now be more open in your playing in constrast to your more constricted, closed-minded nature of playing before. Since you simultaneously realize that everything is one/You/'I'/God, your nature of playing will in most cases be more loving and passionate than before. Listening to music is at same time the most meaningless and most meaningful experience you can have as a human. Likewise is playing an instrument, say the piano. If you tell people "life is a game", most people will react in a negative way and say that you're just fooling around. But is a great pianist playing a great piece in a concert hall fooling around? No. He is most likely playing the piano very sincerely. Playing the piano is a game. But you can play it sincerly. So should you, awakened human being. Play life, not seriously, not foolishly, but sincerely Obviously my post reflects a lot of my inspiration from Alan Watts. Some people judge Watts and say "he wasn't really awakened, he killed himself being an alcoholic in his later years." I beg to differ. I find Watts to be one of the most awakened dudes I've ever come across. Sure, play the game sincerely until you get tired of it. Alan Watts obviously got rather tired of the game in his 50's, and instead of commiting directly suicide, he went to the bottle to dull his experience and slowly kill him. At some point you have to get rid of the old eyes to let new, fresh eyes experience everything anew. Children are so playful, engaged, passionate and interested in everything, because everything is new and fresh to their eyes. At some point we get so caught up in the game of being an adult, that we forget this playful "divine" energy. Hopefully, by one way or the other, most people will in their adult lives regain this playful energy at some point - let it be through psychedelics or any other way. See you out in the dream =) Let's play sincerly That is the most fun. Like, if you gather people to play a board game of some kind, it's only really fun if everyone takes the game "seriously" (i.e. they play sincerely with the goal of "winning"). It's not lots of fun if some people give zero fucks or ruins the game. Likewise, it's also not fun if someone are cheating or playing overly seriously, like getting very mad and aggresive as a result of not winning. It's a delicate balance. Life as a human being is a very complex game. The most complex game I know. The objective is not clearly listed anyware. Going over to a bit of existentialist philosophy, you sort of create your own goals/meanings. However, as we are all humans, we are all more or less bound to some basic human conditions, like getting food, the need of social contact etc. The rest is up to you. I suggest you do not intentionally: - ruin the game for "others" by being a mean egoistic bastard - take it all too seriously - give no fucks about it, even though it's ultimately meaningless (like any game is). Instead, as I said, I suggest you intentionally: - play sincerely. :> One of my old problems has always been the philosophical problem of free will. Is the world deterministic? Is it indeterministic? Do I have any degree of free will, or am I puppet being pulled by long cause-effect-chains with some quantum randomness mixed into it? What do I mean when I use the word "I" in the question "Do I have free will?" ??? I have come to realize that: 1. Ultimately speaking, I = An actor = God = Nothingness = You 2. Therefore I have free will, I'm God for f'cks sake. Yet I don't have complete free will, as relatively speaking, my experience is right now limited to being a human, and the question of free will has to be contextualized in some way, namely the human way. 3. Many things are determined, yet some things I decide on the fly. /rant off.

i dont understand whats going on with leo he sounds vulnerable and seems strong at the same time but he sees big deals which i dont i do believe the rabbit hole goes on forever so its delusional to chase deeper and deeper god is its own point b cuz its every thing ur only job is to be it and u may get rewarded if u accept it and may get punished if u resist it leo thought many times in the past that he had died and become infinite and yet here he is today saying that he never ever truly died he really seems tricked by a dark entity i feel sorry for him he used to say that suicide will not get u out of here but rather u will reincarnate again so its delusional to commit suicide however now he thinks that conscious physical death is the answer and that it is different from suicide but what is the difference? in suicide ur running away from reality while in mahasamadhi ur moving eternally into pure formlessness but whos this u thats running away or moving into? its just ego but he cant realize the trick yet i assume b cuz of the afterglow

How am i weird ? I sometime act out my thought, if you observe me thinking through a hinden camera, you would see me waving my hands around, mumbling. I'm have a strong urge to touch someone else, you can count the amount of hugs i got with your fingers I'm extremely picky when it come to food, something like fish makes me want to vomit. I thought both male and female have penis I find the male genital desirable, but not the male body (i'm male) I have a relatively large butt, oposed to my rather slim body I cried while reading hentai because it unlocked some emotional baggages After that, i decided to never fap to porn ever again, but rather to explore my body I practice smiling infront of mirrors because i smiled so infrequently i struggle to do so I am into guro, don't search it up I experienced infinite love while i was in hospital recoverng from my suicide attemp, brought me to tear

Thats my point actually, you have to take responsibilty for what you put out as content but the listener has a responsibility too, just because Leo says "death is the best thing youll ever experience" doesnt mean I will go and kill myself, I take in that info and then I chew on it and then move on with my day. Now if he said "Suicide is great, try it" that would be a totally different story, that would be deliberately doing harm and thats not what Teal or Leo is doing.

There was a bigger thread about Teal in 2018, if someone is interested to read, here it is : Interestingly, the opinions seem more positive of her than they are now. When did the suicide accusation happen, in 2019?

alot of people supposedly commited suicide "because" of Leo, yet you people are still here?

I like her softness and all but someone committed suicide.

@Leo Gura Leo, I love you and respect everything you say, but life has not been the best to me especially through childhood. I have been so broken down and hurt that life lost all purpose, there was nothing that mattered. I was on the brink of suicide when I came across your channel on youtube and it saved me. I have come a long way already and I don't think there is anything else meaningful to do in my life than to pursue understanding. I understand that I need to get a job and shit to feed myself and be able to have a home but I don't know how to fix myself