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@EternalForest What if "creation" in an awakened state would always appear self-consistent with the universe from the point of view of the ego? I mean, by changing the universe you are also changing yourself, which could explain why there is no definitive record of a "miracle" ever happening in the history of mankind, despite the possibility that awakening could've happened an infinite number of times in many worlds.

Awakened is all things. Both what you seem to be parsing into awake and not awake. And what is this comparing of supposed individuals? Supposedly more awake and less? I'm pointing to something, if your curious, look, if not, don't. What will be will be..... Again there was no separate self, no you that had a separate self experience, it was TOTALLY YOU all along.

Nothing hears it... the separate sense of self or ego just falls away.. nothing understands it, it just apparently happens. Prior to awakening the separate self does not want to hear this message and will always misinterpret it. Yes there's not really a misunderstanding in a sense that anything actually matters but it can help to understand how and what Awakening actually entails. Yes nothing is in order or out of order it's just as it is. There is absolutely an apparent happening ...I used to run around in the rat race trying to achieve achieve achieve gain gain improve improve.... the seeking energy was exhausting the human body. Anyone can say all day long that it's not a happening...but I guarantee if you compare two individuals one that's awakened and one that is not ...they will have very different lives... especially because awakened does not identify as a self and no longer suffers in self pitty/delusion. Just check out that samadhi movie, it almost mimicked identically the experience that occurred here.

Hi everyone Thought it would be a great idea to start a thread where people can genuinely help one another with this spiritual journey that we have all embarked on. The idea behind this thread is that people would share their insights and realisations with the aim of pointing out to those who have not yet had that awakening in the right direction. So we would sort of just be holding hands here and pulling one another in the path so that no ends up getting lost so to speak. For example, if you've had an awakening and you're directly aware of some truth which is overlooked by many then if you could.. you would post whatever ever that insight helped you realize as to shed some light on common misconceptions regarding reality. These pointers would then be sort of shifting perspectives in a way that if a person is holding a belief or some idea about reality which is preventing him/her from directly accessing it then this will help make that clear and help focus on what is actually going on, what is actually there. So if you, let's say, had an awakening to what love is and you're directly aware of what it is then your job would be to shed light on common ideas regarding love like how it's an emotion.. you would have to say why that isn't the case. But not just say so, actually help us notice why it isn't the case, point out the idea, expose the egotistic belief and what we're imagining, kinda like the way Leo does in his videos. I've titled this thread "Actually" because we would only be pointing out what is actually happening, things we've taken for granted. Like: "Hey, you know that thing we call an emotion that is triggered by electromagnetic chemicals? Well, actually it's not that at all because if you notice x y and z you'll understand that emotions are just imagination." So, this is not about getting other people to awaken to the thing that you've awakened to. That won't happen. That person would also have to put in some of the work you've put in in order to really get that awakening. Same way watching Leo's videos won't suddenly make you awake to whatever insight is being shared in the video. Here we're basically just all traveling while holding hands so that everyone has better chances of coming out into the light. I just figured that hey.. since we're all on the same path why don't we just hold hands and guide each other to the same destination. Rules: 1. Don't talk about it if you're not directly aware of it! I'm trying to prevent debates from happening. This is not 'the battle of the insights' thread. If you're directly aware of it then there would be no point in arguing because we all see that the grass is green. And if a person is not getting whatever that you're trying to point to and is just opposing in every direction then drop it. Clearly that person is not ready for that insight. 2. No dropping nondual A-bombs! Guys, we are trying to share radical insights from personal awakenings and we are trying to radically shift perspectives for the good of the path. But don't just show up heavy handed with it saying things like "Nothing exists". I mean come on! You're missing the point of this thread then. I mean if you're directly aware of nonduality then great for you, but show consideration for the guy who just started with this work. Me, I'm the guy who just started with this path and for me it sure as hell, clearly, seems like a lot of things exist. Alright, and those are the rules. Please, don't be stressful be helpful. If you get the impression that the other person is not feeling helped then immediately let it go. It's okay Okay then, I hope I've made things clear and that my post isn't that long. But most importantly I hope most you folks would be willing to help and share some insights with care and love. I'll start just so that everyone knows how I mean this. ?

50% Universal Mind 50% Universal Heart = Full Awakened Being Love is in all projections, how you see it is all that matters. If you can see the perfection, the beauty, the love in all, what i or anyone stated would not even bother you because you would see the truth in all things, even in illusion.

There is no arrogance in play. You do not innerstand the level spoken through the vessel and your message is flawed. There is no such thing as cut-time. All is now, all else is illusory. If you were fully awakened you would understand the level of consciousness/play i project.

@Leo Gura Great response, agree 100% with that. I feel some people want to dive in at the deep end in their first swimming lesson, which is fine, just be prepared for a few times where you almost drown. As you mentioned, even post awakening these things have their relative importance, unless you plan to become a monk or hermit, which I suspect not that many on here do. Out of curiosity do you plan to teach on any of those things you listed above? I was speaking to someone the other day, it’s going to be fun when the first/ more truly awakened nutritionists, bodybuilders, money coaches, businessmen, school teachers, interior designers, athletes etc start popping up everywhere.

Shadow Work and awakening are different in many regards. Shadow Work is very much situated with Maya. But a person can be awakened without dealing with their human traumas. So, my recommendation is to do both. Here is a playlist of mine, that I made all about the Shadow... it will pop up as one video but there are 8 or 9 videos in the playlist

Sexual Polarity & Creation of Magnetic Field between man and woman one of the greatest insight of tantra is male and female energies are equal and opposite forces. Yang and yin are one of the most popular examples of this. Sexual union between these two can create an ecstatic sexual experience through interplay of opposite polarities polarities. Polarities are present in both man and woman. Sadly due to social conditioning, these polarities are not being able to function according to their innate quality. These conditioning are like rust in polarities and they exist as if they are "normal". They create disturbance and sexual energy can not act according to their polarities as a result. Polarities are like magnets. That is why when man and woman come together, it feels like an attractive magnetic field. Through consciousness, we can decondition and then our polarities can go back to functioning as it is wired to function such way. Man will begin to feel their masculine energy and woman will begin to feel feminine energy. Male energy represents positive and female energy represent negative. Each half is alone and incomplete. So nature brings them together to become complete. The man, who is positive, has inner negative pole (inner women) and the woman, who is negative, has inner positive pole (inner man). Man carries the positive pole in his cock and the negative pole in his chest and heart area. Woman on the other hand, carries negative pole in her pussy and positive pole in her breasts. Between this positive and negative magnetic pole, a stream flows upward through the body of man and woman. This magnetic field between the two opposite pole is called " Rod of Magnetism" These two magnetic rod of man and women create a magnetic field when they create sexual union. This way, they become "complete". Male energy flow from cock into pussy and up towards the woman's heart. The female energy responds through breasts by penetrating man' heart and flowing downward to his sex center. A complete unit is created and now electricity passes back and forth from man to woman with active and passive phases, man becoming woman and woman becoming man. Tantra refers to the phenomenon as "the circle of light". This powerful polarity effect represents the highest potential of man and woman together, as a spiritual force through which it is possible to penetrate the mysteries of life. Information about polarities can help practically in lovemaking. Like electricity, body energy also flows from positive to negative. It is the positive poles of the male and female bodies that needs to be awakened to initiate the deeper movement of sexual energy. That is why tantra calls cock and breasts the " positive poles of love". They are the source of all life, semen from man and milk from woman. The quality of sexual energy generation depends on treating them as such during foreplay and sex.

@mp22 We must now remember, Leo is the most awake human ever, and nobody else is close. have you not got the memo recently? on a serious note, as much as Leo May think nobody else is awake, I’m yet to find a teacher or really anyone in the community who doesn’t think this is just Leo experiencing Inflation, Grandeur and potentially even Narcissism. So, it’s either Leo is the grand master of awakening and 5MEO is the holy grail, and over the millennia, all awakenings are void. Or, maybe, a lot of people’s suspicions regarding Leo and his “awakening” could also be true. Who knows! Maybe, Leo has had deep insights and awakenings on these drugs, but maybe isn’t truly awakened as he claims he is and that’s why he keeps going back for more? I will not say either. Who really knows? Although, I will say, I think recent behaviour has left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths. But, then again who are we to judge someone’s else’s awakenings? Maybe, in 100 years they will look back on Leo’s life as a great advancement in awakening and the proof of the psychedelic path. or they will look back on the first online psychedelic cult of its kind, that lead to lots and lots of issues. Or maybe somewhere in between. who knows? Focus on yourself, do the work and be your own guru, teachers are there to help you, not to idiolizse Personally I haven’t resonated with Leo for a long time, and am finding it very interesting what he is writing recently.

@Farnaby Thank you! Good question when you asked, 1) What purpose does weed/getting high serve in your life? Are you trying to escape some particular feeling (boredom, loneliness, sadness, anger, etc.) or void. When I try to quit, there are feelings of guilt, shame, sadness, anger, frustration, and melancholy (due to the after effects of loading up on cannabinoids and then detoxing will cause the brain to go through a rebalancing stage where the THC built up in the system leaves), but my melancholy feelings are also present with my feelings of depression and anxiety when it arises. My emotional awareness needs exercised, I also require more healing. I feel left out and jealous when I see people smoking after I've quit. I haven't been strong enough to face enough of myself to just get through a year smoke free. I would love to see myself at that point. I want my life back from my bad cycles. You said, 2) Once you have identified it's function, experiment with healthier ways to deal with these feelings such as exercise, meeting with people you feel nice with, walks in nature, whatever you think may be enjoyable. You will probably feel as if these things are boring without being high, but keep doing them mindfully, noticing if there's something positive about doing these things without being high. I can relate to feeling bored. I love to exercise, I love to create art. Smoking marijuana has been so stimulating for me that it feels boring in comparison for a while. The sad part about this phase for me is that the symptom of boredom lasts so long that it sometimes translates to depression in ways, or other ways drags it up because I am free to actually feel my underlying "lack in life." For your third point, 3) Meditation. This is "easy" and hard for me to do still at this point. I used to pride myself on my wanting to self help and my ability to being to meditate over the coarse of the years but find that by some capacity I need to exercise my ability to sit and go through the process of closer self observation, because it will be months before I can get myself to sit down again consciously and begin a session. I do quidded meditations but this is still noise not quiet self observation. Can I ask, Is there a tip you may have to slow down and focus? On 4) Avoid places, people, etc., that trigger your cravings, at least until you feel more in control. I care a lot about my specific friends and social time. My social time has fed me. How do I let these things go right now? How do I get to the platform where I am ready to embrace distance? If you have any tips on self soothing while I stay away from my pot smoking crowd, that's always welcome too. I begin to feel lonely and "unfed," "uninspired." Although I am an introvert at heart, and have always been, the more I have awakened to more of myself the more I feel fed by social interactions and have built closer and more loving relationships with my friends un leu of being more open to my own self love ( who happen to be the people who smoked with me). So while I am healing from my addiction my issue is creating new relationships that support a non addictive lifestyle and be able to relate to them when I do not feel like creating new bonds at all while I am going through change like this during the time where I would like the support or company of my close friends. How do I build strength on this? on point 5) Go to therapy with a therapist that you feel you can trust and doesn't judge you I very much agree, its taken me years to start to talk to a professional and it's been life changing. on point 6) Pay attention to the things in your life that improve when you're sober. Thank you. When I feel the important things returning to the forefront its when I am in a state of gratitude. I am not thankful enough in my tired times. 7) Stay active, don't stay at home alone too much. I am a homebody a lot of the time, I need to prioritize physically getting up and making the move to get out. I am active, I just am home more. This is somewhere I can learn to improve. 8) Be compassionate towards yourself, it's normal to relapse and if it happens there's probably a lesson to be learned. Thank you.

There is even people actually believing that the Earth is flat. That's an extreme example, but you can't judge a book by its cover, the fact someone is a psychotherapist isn't a guarantee that they are smart. And even enlightened people aren't know-it-all Gods, awakening doesn't make you knowledgeable, for example Gurdjieff didn't believe in Darwinism, he thought that dogs mated with humans and gave birth to monkeys (lol). In fact I asked Jan Esmann, who is obviously awakened imo, and he told me 'don't do LSD, it fucks you up'.

@whatthefucksgoinon Just so you know, Francis is Ruperts teacher, and who taught him the direct path. And, no you don’t! solitude and the inward path has its place but you don’t need to be a hermit, that can also come from a place of fear of the “dirty world” and protecting your peace. The only reason to do that, would be if you really wanted to, however you can be completely involved in life and completely awakened, Rupert is a great teacher. Go enjoy life! Go live!

What I've learned so far in this thread: Main issues: who is really awakened, who isn't? How do we know any one teacher is truly awake? All teachers and their teachings are false? How do we verify for ourselves without losing too much time? Also issues about authority to teachers and students. Issues on misunderstanding awakening from other states, enlightenment, paranormal experiences ect. Side issues that seem random, coming out of left field: masculine and feminine and what governs truth/untruth(possibility/impossibility), how to do contemplation properly, being a personal god vs an external god, solipsism, nihilism, questioning existence and sentience, the whole Viper's nest of trying to word, define and re-define God for yourself, using language magic to divine god, touching on ideas and beliefs as mind viruses that spread, reconciling old beliefs with new ones, and how God practices on different universes and how you've done this once upon a time too. Also the issue of threads getting off into tangents on other issues that hardly have anything to do with main issue.?

How work, when I don't have access to 5-meo-dmt? I ask questions, because that's we are doing here right, communicating? Trying to find and share Truth? Do You notice that when I ask You an interesting question, to which You could give me an answer(Which would be a loving/wholesome thin to do), You do not answer them and say "go do work". I don't know, why such an attitude, an awakened person would choose to express.

I understand that 5-meo-dmt is the wisest and straight-to-the-point way to awaken. However, it is not possible to obtain it and do it in the country where I live. Therefore, I am asking You, because I consider You to be awaken. Therefore, Leo, could You tell me what was the message that Youve got when you awakened? Thank You

@Artaemis Jesus Christ ?. We're all talking about wether Leo's right or wrong calling Sadhguru and all teachers as not fully awakened we're focused on talking about awakening, and out of nowhere BAM! "Leo's like Hitler, we gotta balance the masc with the fem! Watch out!" ???

Speaking to Leo on here was like speaking to Hitler. And that's not an insult. Hitler was incredibly charismatic, influential and powerful. It is extremely possible that Hitler was an accidental highly awakened masculine, who didn't properly balance the feminine. I mean he didn't just get followers for no reason. Masculine (truth) and feminine (untruth) need to be balanced.

I can relate. In the last few days, I have experienced a range of emotions after reading Leo's recent forum posts... from anger, doubt, frustration to awe, excitement, profundity & laughter. The same objections arose within me but It is apparent that most 'awakened' people in this world completely ignore the massive field of psychedelics & Leo is the only one who has cultivated enough balls to dive deep. All and all... he's not saying anything negative and seems to be providing the highest teaching. You don't know that you don't know and you'll know when you know. Our 'spiritual traditions' have not existed in larger time frames than 5000 - 10,000 years & what we see from Leo is possibly the way from which Spirituality reaches towards its pinnacle. Contemporarily, we have too limited of a scope to determine if the awakened beings we know about are truly awake. Learn to embrace his teachings, the man is pointing to the moon and we are objecting the pointer.

So there is the awakened state and the non awakened state the omniscient state and the non omniscient state. Nice dualities.

I agree with you in terms of the Francis quote below, and that realisation of I Am The Self/ Awareness etc and that’s ALL that exists is it. This is it. However, not every awakened being has this understanding. go listen to Eckhart or Tony Parsons Then go listen to Rupert/ Francis and you’ll notice subtle differences. I agree there’s an end to seeking though, and that comes with realisation of The Absolute, of This, and with it all concepts and notions of enlightenment and spirituality are simply destroyed. Anyone who says they are an enlightened person has much further to go. Enlightened people don’t exist, all that exists is The Absolute, and those who are conscious of this and those who it is veilled in. and, all that is left is THIS. It’s ridiculously simple, yet paradoxically can be so hard to “get.” But, God is literally staring us in the face in every moment.

@Leo Gura God+ Goddess= complete awareness. You've awakened into the masculine expression of the divine only partially the feminine expression of the divine. Meditate more return to breath to no thought and return to me.

Leo how would you describe the world God with a big quote.The consciousness of God is the self consciouss consciousness but you mentioned some states which the consiousness lacks self awareness.Can you analyze it a little bit more?I also want to answer you on the (If awakening was permanent how could anyone ever awaken? -- since they would already have been awake!)There is nothing permanent the only permanent are the invisible laws and the nature of consciousness, every non awakened consciousness is gettind driven to awaken and i believe the awakened ones return on the darkness after some unimaginable numbers of time.This represents the symbol of ouroboros serpent, the infinite cyrcle of everything.

@Haumea2018 What is the solution for the person who is reaching for those higher states of consciousness? Wouldn't the solution to their problem be finding an alternative state of consciousness that doesn't require the incessant seeking? Anything you would recommend to that person in spite of psychs would be an alternative form of "self medicating". Unless you're awakened and stabilized, everyone is self medicating to one degree or another.

Leo, i wanna give you deep appreciation to everything that you are doing right now.. it is really hard.. i know that after what i experience lately in my trip, people here underestimate the hardships you are experiencing, for every awakening you have, plus the survival that you must consistently do.. it is really really hard... after that trip i realize that this kind of work is hard.. what i am doing to myself is hard, I don't know if challenging, but it is very very hard.. if you are in the middle of insanity or in the middle of hardship you are the one who will stand up And really go on with life and face it and do the necessary action whatever things that will show up to you, either you do the laundry while pursuing your life purpose.. eating, cooking... cleaning the toilet.. doing videos at the sametime.. or you're in the trip and your trip is insanity... you are the one who will accept it and win it... oh man! So given what i said, props!! to you Leo!! And given you are awakened as fuck! Like you go beyond anyone else in the history of human being right now.. my awakening is very huge i know is hard.. what more to you.. !! so i want to give you my deepest appreciation, not as someone who idolizes you but someone that i also knew how hard this kind of stuff is... it is really really hard.. you cannot rely on someone.. given your current situation how can you do it.. nooo.. in our own journey ourselves is the only one we can rely on.. we can ask for help but nothing can really help us but ourselves.. we need help sometimes.. do this for me kind of things I IMAGINE YOU'RE MAMA IS CRYING , what happen to my son.. he is completly gone... maybe, to you , you cannot help yourself to give love and give compassion to the ignorance of all humans,. I know that Leo.. i Know that.. maybe i am not enlightened as you, but.. i know that, this kind of love i wanna give to myself that is until now ignorant, and for all humans i know i am still ignorant given your current awakening.. So i wanna give you deepp appreciation Leo Deep Appreciation