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If this is true (I have no reason to believe otherwise), it saddens me deeply. I can honestly say that in our interactions, @SoonHei never said anything that I disagreed with. I found him to be sincere, funny, and wise. To the solipsists and nihilists in our wonderful, crazy family: please pay attention to this. Consciousness is not just nothingness. It is also everything that it creates. Failing to realize this core truth is tragic. You created yourself for a reason. The cosmos is here for a reason. Don't dishonor life by braying about ultimate reality, and disrespecting relative reality as nothing but a meaningless "dream". @SoonHei was real, and his wife and kids are real. Yes, life is transient. So celebrate it. It is that fragility which makes life beautiful and worthy of honor. We will miss you, brother. ???

@Inliytened1 Like I said, I believe that phenomena are simultaneously illusory and completely real. A flower is a nonlocal part of a unified field of universal energy... but it's also a flower. My belief about the nature of enlightenment is a dream, I know that, but I also treat the subjective human experience as real and have no desire anymore to reduce all of my perceptions and actions to nothingness.

Here is another way to contemplate this. What transcends the duality of existence and non-existence? What goes beyond the distinction between even God and Nothingness?

@Inliytened1 Maybe this language will help you: You know how you think it takes consciousness to realize you are God and Love and Nothingness? It takes awareness? Well, imagine one day you become so aware that you literally dissolve into Godhood, into literally Infinite Awareness. You know what this Infinite Awareness will become aware of? It will literally be so aware that it will make itself aware of being separate from itself. It will realize that it is not God, that it is a monkey sitting here suffering. It will be so aware that it will become unaware. That's true awareness. That is Ultimate Awareness. That is Ultimate Consciousness. It is Infinitely Powerful. It is literally Magic. That's how "conscious" all of us are. You cannot top that, because it's the Ultimate. Indeed. I am quite calm my brother, but I agree none of this makes sense. Unless we pretend it does.

Leo places "God Realization" at the end of the path, I place No Self at the end and anything God related as simply an experience/by product of an authentic Realization of No Self (which again despite what some people believe this is actually extremely rare. Hence I make the distinction between temporarily transcending the self via meditation and psychedelics vs a permanent Realization of dropping away of self) and to me most people who think they're GOd Realized are simply having an experience from the separated state. But if you truly Realized God and not just a peak experience, then it is the exact same thing as No Self. Absolute Infinity = Absolute Nothingness = Love = Death = Reality. Here is my very simple stages of Awakening that might help put things into perspective. 1. I Am/Identification of ego (everything below Turquoise) Contracted sense of self that stuck inside the head and behind the eyes. 2. I Am Awareness/Consciousness, which is the identification to the Witnessing of 1 (Stream Entry) 3. I Am God/Infinity/Universal Mind And Love. Identification of God. I Am Everything. 4. I Am Nothingness/Emptiness. Total loss of identity. An extremely nebulous sense of self 5. Enlightenment/ True No Self. 5, An authentic Enlightenment is the UN-ALTERED STATE of Consciousness aka Natural State, which dis-identifies, includes but transcends all the previous stages. This state is what Osho calls "Beyond Enlightenment", completely ordinary, yet in many sense even deeper than the Universal Mind stage. One thing i agree with Leo is that there aren't a lot of teachers out there who's Realized the "Loop", as in they'll talk about emptiness and no self but they are missing the "Form"/"Infinity/Love" aspect of it. After my Awakening it was a surprising to me how nobody seems to talk about Strange Loops, or what I call the direct moment to moment experience of "Infinity/Universe Fucking/Eating Itself through and through, Cosmic Snake Biting It's Own Tail", Actually almost all the people who talk about this are people who's experienced it on 5meo DMT. And my natty Awakening seems closer to 5meo DMT than Vipassana dry insights (a more fair statement is the combination of all the practices I've done that leads up to it). My take is that most teachers, even if they've embodied the Strange Loop of God simply don't place a lot of emphasize on it because they see it as a by product of Enlightenment and not the end goal. It could also be that few "close the circuit" of Absolute Infinity/Absolute Nothingness, Big Bang/Big Crunch etc My question is, WHO CARES?!! LOLOL

I will also ad d another difference, how minor/major it is depend on the individual. Leo places "God Realization" at the end of the path, I place No Self at the end and anything God related as simply an experience/by product of an authentic Realization of No Self (which again despite what some people believe this is actually extremely rare. Hence I make the distinction between temporarily transcending the self via meditation and psychedelics vs a permanent Realization of dropping away of self) and to me most people who think they're GOd Realized are simply having an experience from the separated state. Here is my very simple stages of Awakening that might help put things into perspective. 1. I Am/Identification of ego (everything below Turquoise) Contracted sense of self that stuck inside the head and behind the eyes. 2. I Am Awareness/Consciousness, which is the identification to the Witnessing of 1 (Stream Entry) 3. I Am God/Infinity/Universal Mind And Love. Identification of God. I Am Everything. 4. I Am Nothingness/Emptiness. Total loss of identity. An extremely nebulous sense of self 5. Enlightenment/ True No Self. 5, An authentic Enlightenment is the UN-ALTERED STATE of Consciousness aka Natural State, which dis-identifies, includes but transcends all the previous stages. This state is what Osho calls "Beyond Enlightenment", completely ordinary, yet some many sense even deeper than the Universal Mind stage. One thing i agree with Leo is that there aren't a lot of teachers out there who's Realized the "Loop", as in they'll talk about emptiness and no self but they are missing the "Form"/"Infinity" aspect of it. After my Awakening it was a surprise to me how very few people ever talk about Strange Loops, or what I call the direct moment to moment experience of Universe Fucking/Eating Itself through and through, Cosmic Snake Biting It's Own Tail, but few seem to "close the circuit"

This issue has everything to do with identity; what you are identifying with. If we are identifying ourselves as our limited bodies and minds, personalities, thoughts, memories, etc etc, then what Leo is saying here cannot make any sense. But something that you find out when doing enough meditation/self inquiry is that what you actually are has never been any of those things. All of these things are merely appearances that are arising in consciousness or the present moment. What you will inevitably find if you look for yourself long enough is that what you have always been is simply that awareness that has been watching all of that play out. You are the present moment itself. You are that nothingness; that pure void that is holding space for all of the phenomenon that arises, with no identity. Just that pure raw feeling of being: The I Am. And that is EXACTLY what everyone else is too. And that raw feeling of being or the present moment that you are feeling right now is not merely similar to the raw feeling of being I’m feeling. That feeling between us is not really similar, or even almost identical. That feeling between us is Absolutely 100% percent identical. The content of what is arising is of course different, but the raw sense of being is absolutely the same. Your Now and my Now are the exact same Now. That nothingness, that pure void that is looking out from behind your eyes at this very moment is the exact same nothingness that is looking out from behind Leo’s eyes. Because nothingness is absolutely identical to nothingness! One way you could put it is that since you actually have no identity, that necessarily means that you are all identities. I am you, and you are me. We are the same being, looking with two different sets of eyes, separated by death. (Though even the idea of separation by death is also imaginary) And that Being is God. Consciousness. Nothingness. Infinity. The Eternal Now.

How does absolutely nothing even talk? "It doesn't even talk, it appears as a talker" but then that just goes to the 3rd point. Fair enough pointing out the idea that a mind has an ability to create dualities is my idea. But I don't see how nothingness appear as separate. How does even anything appear? If I asked "how does this view of the mountain appear?" someone would say "actually this view of the moutain is precisely absolutely nothing seen as multiple things (the mountains, the trees, the clouds, the sky) because you distinguish between those things with dualities". But then how do those thoughts or dualities appear? If you use the same explanation, it just adds more appearance of thoughts to explain other apperance and that never ends. I do get that this present moment is all there is and it's absolutely nothing. But it sure appears as if I'm dreaming, having a life, talking, typing on this keyboard. What is the trick used to make this dream with absolutely nothing? If I have dualities, I can redefine what nothing and something are and materialize anything in this nothingness. But to do that I need dualities. How do I make them appear in the first place?

I love Adyashanti, I think his Realization is deeper than 99 percent of mainstream teachers in the spiritual market place. If you look at his awakening experiences he describes experiencing both Big Bangs (Infinity) and Big Crunches (Nothingness) and anything freaky and fucked up in between. The most extraordinary thing is how ordinary he is. One of the only beings who talk about transcending even the entire paradigm of spirituality to become an Absolute NOrmie.

I do not disagree with this. If all you do is Vipassana without any other practices this can indeed be a trap. This is why I look at Vipassana as only one of many methods, but the same could be true if you only apply the "Unified Mind" methods without seeing the nature of sensations. The reason why I dissect the thing from the Vipassana/sensation is because most of the people on this board are already very familiar with the other side of the coin. During my big bang Realization/Kundalini Awakenings etc, there is WAY more similarity to my psychedelic trips than the insights and experiences i got from just dissecting sensations, which is the result of the combination of self inquiry, vipassana, psychedelics over the last 7 years. If you were to put a neutral frank yang inside my 5meo breakthroughs vs the Big Bang event, he would think he was tripping on 5meo DMT or a heroic dose of acid instead of gotten to that space through Vipassana alone. The Realization of Infinity does seem to be missing in many Vipasanna practitioners, who rarely speak about the holistic and Cosmic experiences and Realizations of "Strange Loops/Universe Eating Itself/Cosmic Bliss", etc and are heavily more on the dry, "No-Mind/Emptiness" side of things. Most Realized beings are lean towards one side of the equation, very few are totally unified in Infinity and Nothingness. My argument here is that if you take just one side to the extreme you'll loop back on the other side. So the most effective approach is to slice the cat from all angles.

I think the most direct and clearest way to put all those different stages of development and labels under context is the direct Realization on the NATURE OF SENSATIONS. Think of sensations as the atoms of your subjective experience, both inside and outside. What a meditator does is "zooming" into, deconstruct and dissecting and shred Reality into sensations at the microscopic level. All sensations are aware of themselves exactly where they are. All sensations are devoid of self/Self and spontaneously, co-dependently arising No sensation "cause" or "own" another cluster of sensation. Different vibratory velocity of sensations gives rise to the difference between "air", "liquid", "solid forms" All sensations are in equal footing. All sensations self-librate. All sensations are "non-dual" in Nature, as in sensations in of themselves can't tell the difference between "God" or "poop" or "Awareness" or "Consciousness" or "Emptiness" or "Eternity" or "Love" Or "Intentions" "Matter" or "Mind" "Sober" or "Psychedelic Trip", "Time", "Space" etc And since there is only "one substance", there is no difference between foreground and background, context and content, therefore phenomenons do not arise and pass into some "Source" that is more "real" or "permanent" Now the labeling of these experiential phenomenons into concepts is, you guessed it, just more sensations. So what's the difference between the awakened state and the egoic state? in the former the "knots of perception" is forever untied because the nature of sensations is penetrated experientially. Now all sensations in your entire Field of experience "Lights Up", and are aware of themselves without a delay between the perceiver/observer/Witness and the perceived/observed/Witnessed. This is your moment to moment experience of Godhead/Infinity/Eternal Awareness because when sensations are experienced without a doer/controller/seer/hearer/thinker all 360 degrees are KNOWN and COMPREHENDED AS ITSELF without the delay between object and subject. Thus Reality feels OMNISCIENT. Wheres in the "egoic state" a certain cluster of sensation arise in the center of experience, usually inside the head, behind the eyes, and in places inside the body HIGHJACKS other clusters of sensations to "take credit" for other clusters of sensations that are simply comprehending themselves due to conditioning. When this happens there's contraction of energy. There's identification. There's the feeling of "me-ness". See when you zoom experiences down to the atomic level (Max effort contraction), when you can no longer divide it, this singularity loops back into the other side (strange loop anyone? haha) and becomes Infinitely Expansive. This is why the practice starts out as dissecting atoms, but at the end you end up "Vipassnalizing the whole universe" The very small is identical to the very large like the merging of quantum mechanics x Cosmology, Love x Death at the subjective level. The parts is the Whole, the atom is the universe and vice versa. Now you can get to the same end point either by contraction or expansion, which is why the "Do-Nothing" meditation of Infinite Awareness abiding as Itself is exactly the same as Vipassana. And of course you can do both during a psychedelic trip When you take this to the end point contraction and expansion happens simultaneously and both sides of the duality lose meaning, and you abide in Absolute Infinity AND Absolute Nothingness simultaneously. Now what happens when you do not see clearly the nature of sensations at all levels as empty (AND FULL), is that one particular level is always going to seem more or less "real" or "solidified" than another level, hence contraction occurs, and identification takes place. Thus clinging and suffering. Hope this clears some things up!

Here are some contemplations I wrote down a few months ago. The bold text is the most focused on solipsism. You’re right though. If something cannot be measured, experienced, or verified in any way, how can we say anything of it? Can it really affect reality? Is it really there? Talking of another conscious experience is as real as talking about nonexistence. There’s no hard proof at least from an empirical standpoint for either. To experience nonexistence would be to make it exist somehow. To experience another consciousness right now would make it just another aspect of your consciousness. These are hard limits such as the impossibility of the something from nothing cosmology. When you go to sleep at night, you often find yourself in dreams. In these dreams, most people will still have a human body. In waking reality, there is an unsubstantiated claim or story given by people that consciousness is somehow generated by the brain. The experts aren’t so sure, or at least they don’t have any solid evidence. Look up the “hard problem of consciousness” to understand how this is unsubstantiated. In the dream, you typically do not think along the same lines. If you were to lucid dream, you would certainly not think you were the dream body or somehow generated by the brain in your dream head. I say you, but I need to clarify exactly who you are. You are consciousness. Consciousness is the only constant you can find in all realities. In the dream, you are literally everything perceived in the dream. It’s all generated by your consciousness. We understand fully that everything created in our dreams comes entirely from us and is an extension of us. Surprisingly enough, there’s no solid argument against this being exactly the same case in waking reality. Your brain, body, and mind are all generated by consciousness in the same fashion consciousness generates the entire reality in dreams. Beyond your mind, body, and brain, you as consciousness generate this entire reality. This entire reality IS consciousness and nothing else. It’s the same way in a dream; nothing is separate from you as consciousness. You as consciousness are the sole source for everything in the dream. No one thinks everyone in their dreams are conscious, separate entities once they’ve come back to the waking state. It’s the same in this reality. There’s absolutely no way you can actually be shown something outside of your consciousness. There will never ever be proof that other beings are conscious separately or outside of your consciousness. Even if you merged consciousness with another being in the waking state as a way to somehow prove the existence of another consciousness, guess what it would be? It would be fully engulfed in exactly one thing: you as consciousness or otherwise put your consciousness. You are the source of everything that exists in your consciousness, and your consciousness is the entirety of your universe and always will be. Nothing can ever exist outside of your consciousness. Existence relies completely on perception and consciousness to even be relevant. What is the difference between a fairytale land in a book, the black void people typically conceive of as nothingness or nonexistence, and a reality you imagine exists like heaven? They’re all just imagination. The only thing that’s real is what you can experience in this very moment. As soon as something exits consciousness, it exits existence. There’s no proof for something existing outside of consciousness, and there never will be because the most fundamental building block in any proof is, you guessed it, consciousness. Before using reason or logic or any other conceptual tool to prove something you use precisely one thing first: consciousness. Even if you and I are both conscious entities, we live in completely different “universes of consciousness.” Precisely, that is to say that one consciousness can never be shown another consciousness to exist without perceiving the other consciousness through the lens of the original consciousness. As soon as one consciousness comes into the other, the secondary consciousness immediately becomes an aspect of the primary consciousness. So if you were to completely merge your consciousness with mine, your consciousness would be held within my consciousness, and it would be the same for you if the process were done from your perspective. This is a clear mechanic of consciousness. We can never know if the person sitting across the lunch table from us is conscious. We can only assume one way or the other. Anything imagined to be separate from the perspective of the original consciousness will always just be one more aspect of the original consciousness. In this way, we are entirely alone as consciousness. We are not alone as human beings. There are plenty of humans walking around. You can clearly perceive that, but by the very nature of perception, consciousness cannot perceive another consciousness without it immediately becoming another aspect of itself. Consciousness cannot perceive another consciousness as some sort of separate thing. Once the “other” consciousness is viewed, it only exists as long as it is in contact with the primary consciousness - the point of perception, and it is only truly the primary consciousness the entire time. In this way, you can never truly share space with another consciousness. You cannot perceive another consciousness. Anything you perceive is just you. You are consciousness. Everything is you. Everything is consciousness. It will be this way for eternity. You as consciousness will likely visit innumerable dreamt up worlds that you’ve created. You’ll perceive yourself as some kind of avatar or character as far as we can tell. You’ll at first see all the rest of the characters in your dreamt up creation as separate from you, but in truth those dream characters are just as much you as your primary character is. They’re just characters held within consciousness. One, your primary character who you at first feel to live inside, simply exists in your consciousness more of the time than the others. Ultimately neither the other characters or your perceived primary character is you because you are the consciousness that permeates all aspects of the dream world including its laws of physics, characters, objects, and everything else. You aren’t the characters any more than you are the objects or the laws of motion that govern that reality. You are all aspects of that reality. You are all aspects of all realities. A reality can only exist within you. Something is only real to you if it is held within your consciousness. No realities exist outside of the one you are experiencing right now. This waking state planet Earth does not exist when you are in a dream. Your wife could tell you that the world still existed while you were asleep, but you have to see how this is exactly the same as if your dream wife told you the dream reality was there while you were asleep. It means nothing because you as consciousness were not there. That seems to be the pattern in what we can verify between both the waking state and dreams.

"An Empty Answer You want me to “say more” about nothingness. Could anything be more paradoxical for the reader than to try to understand “nothing”? Why? Because most people start from the conviction that there is something which does exist; if nothing more, at least “me”. So, you will not likely appreciate nothingness unless you have come to realization through advaita. At least we will, then, begin without the assumption that a “me” really exists. But even for the realized advatin, there will almost certainly be a presumption that “something” exists in the realm of reality. Even “reality”. Advaita points to ajata, and ajata is about nothingness, or emptiness. The Diamond Sutra of Buddhism, points exclusively to it. Hui Neng, the Sixth Chinese Patriarch, declares flatly: ‘There is nothing from the start.” These sources, among others, set your foot on the path, but recognize that most people are then going to immediately be lost. I have written clearly about advaita, and several have understood what I’ve said. I have spoken, to some of these, about what lies beyond the “Absolute,” and a couple have understood. So I will try to explain it, as best I can. The “ultimate condition” (if any) is nothingness, the complete “absence” of anything—no thing, of any possible description. The (approximate) comprehension of this would be to conceive of “emptiness”, as the emptiness of which not anything could be emptied; pure unassociated emptiness, and not even an emptiness which is within some imagined boundaries. The word “void” could be applied; but this “actuality” is not void of something—in any positive sense. So the nothingness of which we speak is totally empty, free of any subtlety which could even be envisioned. Hence there is not anything “within” it that can be subject to any kind of movement, or even change. Not anything can “come from” nothingness, nor “return” to it. It is not the “origin” of anything. In fact, it could not be applicable to say that it exists, or does not exist. Thus we can’t say that this is the “beginning” condition or the “ending” condition. At best, we could say that (if it were “existent”) it would be the ever-present condition. Yet, it is not an abstraction: its presence is “eternal”. “In” its presence are supposed creatures, and the world and universe they seem to inhabit. But all of these supposed things are “in” nothingness. They have not appeared from nothingness, or out of nothingness, or because of nothingness. In fact, they have not actually “appeared”, except as nothingness. The creatures take their reality, their “existence”, for granted; and thus also the reality or existence of the world and its universe—not knowing that they are nothing. The assumption is: ‘There was a time when I didn’t exist, a time when I existed, and a time when I will no longer exist”. But there are no such times. Not anything has ever “existed”, from the standpoint of nothingness. In nothingness, there is no “time”. What makes this so difficult to understand, is that because we say that “I have existed”, we conclude that there is some thing. And indeed we look around and say there are other things, such as a world or a universe. But the presumption that there was a time when I did not exist (or do; or will not exist) is false: no arising, abiding or decaying exists in nothingness. In other words, not anything “happens” in nothingness. “We” are nothing, the “world” is nothing, the “universe” is nothing. In nothingness, there is neither existence nor nonexistence. There is only nothing. From the standpoint of nothingness, no questions can arise. We can not ask for, nor expect, an explanation: not anything ever happens, in nothingness. The value of this understanding is that not anything really matters. Even understanding this does not matter. All is emptiness. That is the “empty” answer. The scriptures speak of one who is in sahaja samadhi as having “no mind” or an “empty mind”. It is this appreciation of nothingness that is referred to" - Robert Wolfe

Of course. I have always equated God = Nothingness = Everything = Love = Infinity = Truth = Absolute = One = Many = You = Consciousness There are many facets to this thing and in the end they are all equate into a perfect Unity. Yes. The y axis is actually a loop. Once you go low enough you start to move up. And once you move up enough you start to move down.

How seriously do you consider the possibility that they have created a blind spot for you, though? I have heard you say "I was put on this earth to do psychedelics", and other such things. Your latest video actually demonstrated that you do not really understand what a cessation is (per Ingram and others, there is NO conscious experience during a cessation. Consciousness stops completely, like a frame taken out of a movie reel. As you come back you witness reality restarting before your eyes. If there was ANY conscious experience during the cessation it was not a cessation). That is widely considered to be only the first step towards enlightenment (stream entry), followed by wildly more powerful experiences and insights farther down the path. While I don't discredit the depth you are achieving in "understanding" reality with psychedelics, have you considered that maybe you are going very far on an axis of awakening that isn't IT, per se? For example, multiple respected teachers describe direct experience with the Source (ie. Nothingness) as a stage beyond God-realization, and that even this is not "it", as it is still an extremely subtle identifying. You talk about it not being "ego", but do you consider that EGO could ultimately refer to ANY kind of identification, even with being God, or with understanding itself? Ultimately "understanding" is the final thing to let go of, resulting in a complete return to THIS, NOW. Are you able to let go of understanding? Are you able to let go of God? Could the paradox be that until you do let these things go, you can go no farther?

On board with you there. Yes sir No Mind is not the full picture. Neither is One Mind. It's the merging of the 2 (Absolute Infinity/Love and Absolute Nothingness) that brings out a much fuller picture. And all of this can include the "I" Realization of NO self does not exclude the conventional self. Thanks for clarifying. Non-Duality is just one aspect of existence. None Locality another. I think "Uni-Locality" comes closer to what we're ultimately pointing to. You are nothing, everything, yet something You are nowhere, everywhere, yet somewhere You are nobody, everybody, and a somebody

OK I understood that dualities or distinctions are content (you call them appearance). Whether I identify with them is also a thought, which is also just an appearance. If both what I see and what I think of what I see are consciousness and precisely what nothing is, it's like saying "nothing exactly is this landscape with the dualities". I am precisely nothing, observing myself, which is also nothing but appears some sort of consciousness bubble containing a field of view feelings for vibrations in the air (sound) other feelings thoughts (dualities) How does absolute nothingness appears as all of these things? Through dualities. But dualities are also nothing. "Dualities" are a separation I'm making within consciousness. I just don't see how consciousness or absolute nothingness can separate itself. I am aware that absolute nothingness is not the nothingness I've been taught (the empty space), absolute nothingness includes both the empty space and the non empty space. You can say "nothingness cannot separate itself" but that's just shifting the goal post. Nothingness either separate itself or appears as separate, otherwise there would be no dream. How does it appear as separate when it's not? I am not able to equate absolute nothingness to an infinite mind. To me a mind is a duality machine, it processes information. In the case of the biological brain, for it's survival. In AI, we can train neural network to classify information (literally the same as dualities). When it comes to absolutely nothing, I would think that absolutely nothing = no mind. I don't see how there is appearances of duality (or of anything) in the first place. I see that with a duality machine (mind) anything can be made since all things are dualities. But I don't see how absolute nothingness in itself has this ability to subdivide or make dual. This leads me to think that this "ability to make dual" is a property of the body and therefore the body is real and if it dies I'll lose that ability forever. It probably sounds ridiculous to you, but I don't see it.

This is spot on hahaha amazing summary. So this really comes down to "exploring altered states of consciousness" vs "enlightenment" the 2 overlap but they're not exactly the same. I tend to lean towards enlightenment work and Leo consciousness work. So it's actually a sweet combo for people who are interested in both. And although we disagree on some parts of the Path I do have a lot of respect for Leo's fearless approach to exploring altered states of consciousness. I'm willing to try psychedelics more yes but I haven't felt a calling for it yet. But like I said in there, ego is altered states. Mystical experiences either on psychedelics and meditation is altered states. Natural state is an un-altered states of consciousness. But that does not mean you can't explore altered states from the Full Natty State. But the thing I wanted to point out is the difference between the 2, since most people confuse enlightenment with exotic states of consciousness. I myself made this mistake before gaining access to the Natural State, as it is impossible to know what ________ is like from both the altered state of self and Self: individual mind and Universal Mind. Now the Natural State is the ______ that "manifest both", a place where one sees clearly and directly that at the "microscopic level" of sensations both are just different reconfiguration of energy and sensations that are dependently arising. Ps. I also agree with you about being attached to getting to psychedelic states sober but since then I've let go of this. I see both meditation and psychedelics as both just being tools for dissolution and their effects the side effects and by products. This does NOT mean you can't explore those content. Even post Awakening one can still go back to previous stages and explore their nuances. But interestingly stated in the video after Realization of No-Self and cleaning out most of my conditions, it is impossible to even call up Jhanas anymore or access Kundalini energies because even jhanas and "chakras" are the by products of the stratums of mind getting dis-embedded and released. But if you want to get technical the moment to moment experience of the Natural State is very close to the 6th jhana of Infinite Consciousness (Buddha-Mind/Super Witness/One Mind) and the 9th jhana of cessation. The difference being pre-Realization there was still a 'center' perceiving this field of Infinity, post Awakening the center is dissolved, hence you vanish and die into the present moment to "manifest" all of 'Reality' 'Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves.' - Nisargadatta Maharaj sums up the dark light of the Absolute perfectly. This also mirrors my conclusion that the Natural State/"Buddhahood" is the transcendence and merging of "arhat" and "bodhisattva", where the former is the emptiness/Nothingness/Death/Non-Being phase and the latter is Universal Compassion/Love/Being. But of course I'm not talking about the historical Buddha...“There is Buddha for those who do not know what he is really. There is no Buddha for those who know what he is really.” That is, Buddha exists for those who still need an ideal image to aspire to in order to get enlightened, but he doesn’t exist for those who no longer need such a mental prop. The exactly same thing can be applied to God.

Well fair deuce man, I guess this is how it works. If you weren't speaking about these things, I may as well have spent the rest of my life thinking nothingness is the "ultimate reality". Keep up the good work. Not that there is anyone to help or that you care anyways... ?

That is not transcendent God realization. Realizing nothingness is a step in the spiritual journey, within the dream, but only a step. The destination, which is the origin, is infinitely more abundant and beautiful than that. When you realize God, which is realizing Yourself, you will be flooded with Love. Traumatization is a tool of the ego. Be vigilant, but realize that it is no real danger. Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God. - A Course in Miracles

@Enlightenment The way I see it, this car experience means that: either there was no consciousness. And these 2 seconds never happened. Like time travelling 2 seconds into the future. And you have no memory or idea of what might have happened during these 2 seconds or, you do remember something of these 2 seconds. And in that case, a very small amount of ego consciousness was still present. Enough to register stuff happening, but not enough to register it as a conscious experience. (or the 3rd point of my previous post. unconsciousness from the ego's pov. But Consciousness from Consciousness'/God's pov) (from the relative perspective. From the absolute, past is imagination anyway). What you, Frank, and the guy in the video are basically saying is that Ultimate Nothingness is not identical to God, Consciousness and Being. That this Ultimate Nothingness is prior to God=Consciousness=Being. That these are impermanent phenomena arising out of the permanent ground which is Ultimate Nothingness. This contradicts my awakenings. It probably contradicts the awakenings of most people on here, I guess.

About My Spiral Development Purple I'm very intuitive and I'm getting better and better at using my intuition. I'm able to see things collectively and see the necessity of people working together interdependently I have a strong connection to nature. I feel good, relaxed, and in peace when I'm in nature However, I have social anxiety. It has been the #1 most important issue of my entire life. I never had close friends, nor a girlfriend. I consider the people that I spent time with only as acquaintances. Even when I had some periods where I would spend time with some group of people, they were just acquaintances for me. I can function in life, but making friends has become more and more difficult since I discovered self-actualization. Red This is probably the stage that I less properly integrate. I'm creative & imaginative. I took risks in the past, have been courageous, and I'm willing to take more risks if necessary. For example: At 18, I quit my country to go study in France all alone by myself. I didn't know about anything there, but I did it anyway. At 20, I moved to the UK for a few months. My English wasn't perfect (but better than other people from my group), so it was a bit challenging for me. One day I did a speech in front of a theater entirely in English. I quit my job to start freelancing, but this is a mixed experience as I'm currently living with my parents. I'm also currently working on another business. I'm not very assertive. Most of the time, I feel like it's useless to try to be assertive with people because most of them are too closed-minded so I tend to avoid conversations. I consider this to be true in many situations, but this also is delusional in other situations where I'm just afraid to stand up by myself and use my ego to re-comfort myself. As I'm so often in my mind and over-analyze things, I lack the red action-orientation attitude towards life. I have been vengeful in the past towards people who mistreated me. I have been very confrontational sometimes but not for the sake of doing it, but when other people would attack me. I almost never directly attacked somebody in my life. I'm friendly with friendly people and unfriendly with unfriendly people, but some progress can be made here by tapping more into Yellow. I did lie in the past and manipulated people a few times, but that was very rare. Blue Even if I complained about this stage previously, if I look at things properly I think that I have rather healthily integrated this stage without falling into ideologies. Its integration varied depending on the period of life that I was in, but I think that most of the time it was healthy and a few times unhealthy. I can say that I'm disciplined. It's not perfect and there's still a lot of improvements that I can do, but if I compare myself to people of my generation (Gen Z) I think I'm doing better than average. People made fun of me in the past for being disciplined... well... I think that the consequences will be seen more and more in the future. I'm responsible and reliable, and try to be as honest that I can. I've always respected my teachers when I was at school, the authorities that I disrespected were the egocentric ones. When it comes to politeness, I have been a jerk at some times in my life but that was mostly when people attacked me. I'll say that I currently have a proper balance when it comes to politeness, I'm polite most of the time and vulgar sometimes. It's like 70% polite, 30% not polite, this is what feels most authentic to me. Being organized has always been a bit difficult for me, but this is not catastrophic. I never had strong biases against any group of individuals, the biases that I noticed recently were low in intensity. However, I never liked family values because my family is dysfunctional. Anyone who highly values family often feels hypocritical to me... But, this is a trap and families are actually important because healthy families are the basis of healthy societies. I did criticize homosexuals a bit when I was a young kid because I felt the pressure to be seen as a real man, but I outgrew that around 12. And if I'm really honest with myself I think that I have a more important feminine side than many other guys around me. I have a good masculine/feminine balance overall and I am very sensitive to the world around me I did follow religion when I was a kid but never hardly fall into dogmas because people around me have different religions. After 12 - 13, I started to outgrow religion and became more and more rational. During a period of my life, I started to be too much concerned about small details in my work which resulted in conflicts in the team. Orange This one is maybe 50/50 in terms of healthy and non-healthy manifestations by reflecting on my life. I've been enthusiastic about my work. I had periods in my life where I really valued high-performance (I'm actually in one of these periods because of survival necessities) and did really well during a period at school and well at some periods in my work. I'm strategic, flexible, and adaptable. I like to be straightforward when it comes to getting things done. I'm very independently minded and always question things in order to improve them. I never fall for materialism, it never make any sense for me. I always saw this as incredibly shallow. I'm a minimalist when it comes to my material needs. I can get a bit annoyed when people aren't straightforward enough, that's a shadow to inspect here. I fall into the libertarian ideology in the past. I took it to the extreme, I wanted to be seen as this incredible successful guy who does everything by himself. This mindset almost killed me and I started to have panic attacks because I was so much obsessed with productivity and performance. I had a period in my life where I would wake up at 4:30 AM, go to the gym at 5 AM, take the bus to go to work at 6:45 AM, work, work, work, work again and again until I go to bed. I did have some hate of religion in the past. I have been cold and unemotional most of my life because I valued career over human relations. I did lack empathy and had been too cutting with people. Green What's funny is that the stages that I mostly lived in are Orange and Green who are the complete opposites. Some of the things here are going to contradicts what I've written about my integration of Orange. I always valued multiculturalism and diversity. My family is multicultural and I lived with very diverse people, so all of this was natural for me. When I was a kid, it didn't make sense that most people stay stuck in their own culture without the curiosity of exploring different cultures. I quickly understood that people grow up in different cultures which affects how they perceive the world. I understood that my perception would have been different if I was born as a woman in Kenya, or a man in Brazil, or a transsexual in China. I always resonated with the need to take the environment seriously and have always been concerned about ecology. I am concerned about animal suffering. In fact, I have been vegetarian for an entire year in the past because I was so concerned about the animals. I want everyone to be treated fairly: men, women, kids, homosexuals, heterosexuals, transexuals, no matter their ethnicity. I want peace on earth: enough stupid wars, enough discriminations, enough racism, enough hate. I had enough with money/success-obsessed cultures. I want authenticity and want to be close to people Recently I started to become more and more aware of how emotions work and how to handle them. However, I never tried psychedelics, I don't know anything about chakras, etc. I don't do deep spiritual practices. I'm currently not meditating because I'm focusing on healing my traumas. I have been a bit ideological about how I eat in the past to the point where I dismissed everything that people would propose to me. A Yellow approach would have been to sometimes accept a bit of dirtiness to still being able to go to restaurants with people. I fall into the trap of seeing everyone as good and thinking that it's possible to help anyone by giving them some kindness. I have been reactive against capitalism, materialism, overconsumption especially when I was around 18 - 20. I did a speech in front of an audience about that, I'm now a bit ashamed of this because that was very immature. Yellow I started to peak into Yellow 2 - 3 years ago when I was 21 - 22. Even though I was already following actualized.org , just the theory wasn't enough until I got myself into very stage blue (or at best low stage orange) environments. These environments were so radically different from what I knew that my world exploded into pieces. I experienced intense depression and was clashing with people. It felt like I was losing my sanity, like I had no ground in life. This is when I really became aware of how much different people are, that all people aren't at the same level, that we cannot just give love to people to change them, that people won't value orange or green values as much as I did. I more and more try to see things from different perspectives without being attached to any of them. I judge less people and accept that they are how they are and that they are where they are. I see more and more things as systems where all elements are interconnected. I'm better and better able to handle paradoxes. I can notice strange loops. Nothing is sacred nor precious for me, I question everything and most importantly I question myself. I see the human specie as an evolving, self-regulating meta organism, where everyone has a role. I'm more and more aware of my biases and I'm willing to correct them not matter how painful it is. However, I do get too much stuck in my mind to the point where it's sometimes difficult to handle. I've always been a mind-oriented person and always had this issue, but this is becoming worst. I am cold and distant from most people. I isolate myself too much from society. Turquoise I had a few experiences in the past where my mind became so crazy that it started to collapse. In these moments, I was trying to keep my identity by repeating to myself my name, my age, my place of birth because I was so afraid of losing my mind. However, one day I choose to let it go and experienced a bit of nothingness. It was clear, they were no thoughts, but it didn't last long.

@Enlightenment What do you mean with "cessation"? Do you mean one of these 3? The Void 'experience'. No body sensations, no thoughts, and no memories (amnesia). Only Nothingness remains. Nothingness=Being=Consciousness. It still exists, it is still being, it is still 'experienced'. I've seen it being mentioned in trip reports, by meditators and sleep yogis. I think Consciousness is always there, but with varying levels of 'ego consciousness'. If it seems like you are unconscious while experiencing it, but later you remember it, there was still very little 'ego consciousness' present. But not enough for the ego mind to recognize being conscious. It is also said that there is a difference between deep sleep and being 'unconscious' from narcotics. After deep sleep it feels like time has passed. The above mentioned perspective, would indicate that ego consciousness is present during deep sleep, more than during 'unconsciousness' from narcotics. Beyond that, I think that there are states of consciousness where there is 0% ego. The way I see it is, when you are in God Consciousness, there is still very small ego. When the ego is 100% gone, that 'experience' can not be known or experienced 'by the ego', so from the ego's pov it is full true unconsciousness. But from the UltimateSelf=God=Consciousnes, it is not unconsciousness. So let's say you take a psychedelic, then 100% ego is gone, you are fully conscious as God, then the ego returns and it seems like it was complete unconsciousness. No memory of it exists. No indication whatsoever that it ever happened. Unconsciousness from the egos pov, but Consciousness from God's pov. Is one of these 3 things what you and Frank are refering to?

Good work Leo, but not to take away from any of your insights, most of the realizations and awareness you have presented in this latest video is already explained in the Seth Material published over 50 years ago… I’m not saying this in a derogatory manner, or to dismiss anyone’s accomplishments or integrity. I am also a student traveller that has a deep desire to explore consciousness beyond the basic Labels of Love, Nothingness, and our limited five senses. If I may make a suggestion, may I suggest exploring several of Seth’s and Jane Roberts books. They will definitely take you beyond the paradigm of nothingness, beyond the Human Mind, beyond the five or six senses we are familiar with, and into fifth dimensional, Unknown realities and dream states where our human senses are obsolete and meaningless. I say this with the utmost respect and compassion! Just sharing a few thoughts, ideas and beliefs.

You take my word "bored" too literally. Of course God does not become bored, that is a human emotion. God can exist as Nothingness for eternity and not give a fuck. But at some point God will also move to experience finite dreams. Love would be a better explanation than boredom. I spoke of boredom to get your human ego to relate to the problem of being totally unlimited. From a human's POV, being totally unlimited is not such an exciting state to be in for long. A human would get bored of it. Just like a human would not enjoy an video game where you had unlimited powers.