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@ivankiss well that's all child's play. Here's the real deal. Leo says : "No, you don't understand. YOU ARE JUST AN IDEA! YOU DO NOT EXIST! So there is nothing you can personally gain from spirituality. Therein lies the ultimate Goodness. Goodness is NOT you getting stuff. Goodness is the end of you. Then, once you're dead, nothing can bother you any more and all becomes perfection. The reason you cannot understand this is because you keep assuming you exist and there is stuff you can get. Spirituality it deep counter-intuitive. Happiness only comes after you surrender your entire life to the Truth. You do not surrender to the Truth to get happiness. No! You surrender to the Truth believing that you've killed yourself and everything is fucked and destroyed. THEN, and ONLY then, do you discover something beyond. Almost every fiber of your being hates the Truth. Right now, you only care about the "truth" because you think it will get you something positive. But this is not Truth, this is falsehood. You have to realize that YOU are the problem. And the solution will the elimination of yourself. Spirituality is a form of suicide. Which is why hardly anyone does it. Imagine surrendering your entire life such that you didn't care any more what happened to you. That's what we're shooting for. For example, you don't care any more if you die or if you go to prison or get raped. You have completely surrendered your life to the universe's whims. By surrendering EVERYTHING, you will gain the universe. And then you will be happy. Because you will be dead inside. Truth = Death You have to appreciate how serious this is. We are not talking in metaphors or playing word games. We are talking about your ACTUAL death. And you have to be wise enough to realize that death the best strategy. It is the only way to escape the maze. You have to be wise enough to say, "Okay, fine. Death it is then. Let's do this." You do not want this. It is impossible for an ego to want this. Eckhart Tolle died the day he became enlightened. What you see now is a meat bag walking and talking which you call "Eckhart Tolle". It walks and talks, but it is just a zombie. You are also just zombie, but you are in denial about it. All enlightenment is, is realizing you were always a zombie."

Yes, it's been called 'to die before you die' but those words are pointers also. Something that never was cannot commit suicide... that would imply it was once real. The no self may be experienced as a belief over there... not arguing that at all ❤ The end of suffering is the deep recognition that the sufferer never existed. It's recognized as simply a misidentification with contracted energy, thoughts, emotions, perceptions, belief's as the separate 'ME' character located somewhere in the body.

Because the belief that they are unreal makes Donald Trump real in contrast. Thank GOD that's not the case. Or it wants to off itself. Either literally or through spiritual/psychological suicide with the belief that there's no me. I've been there. There's no you and no me but that's still a belief, a pointer, a thorn until it's not. Like you said that there's a separate sense of self that seems to be located in the body, in my experience apparent suffering is the only real indicator that there's something pretending to be there. Feeling is the only real indicator, thoughts don't matter whether my imaginary friend is real or unreal, it's all about how I feel about it.

Taken from a user from reddit: "I started collecting these because they are so fascinating..." "These incidents are called: Quantum Immortality or Respawning:" Suicide: /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/1apwzj/i_tried_to_kill_myself/ Hit by van: /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/116f9d/died_on_the_corner/ One guy hit a tree at 50mph skiing. /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/66bloy/time_refraction/?st=J8G90PCF&sh=9da5df86/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/66bloy/time_refraction/?st=J8G90PCF&sh=9da5df86 2 people got stabbed after seeing a movie. /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/1fhywg/a_checkpoint_in_life_universe_missed_resetting/ Another suicide: /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/36kdze/were_stuck_staying_alive_whether_you_like_it_or/ Boat Accident: /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/93zpe3/i_remember_dying_but_it_never_happened/ Highway accident: /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/93zz7i/a_car_accident_that_didnot_happen/ Person comes back to a different reality after Near Death Incident. /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/95uqtq/died_and_came_back_to_kind_of_the_same_life_but/ Seems like there is at least anecdotal truth to this. There were also some Ndes describing a huge reality wheel that respawns the ego in one of the infinite realities. https://www.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/9bbmh2/several_quantum_immortality_experiences/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body This is also interesting anecdotal evidence: http://salviaspace.blogspot.com/2016/02/last-night-two-small-bowls-50x.html?m=1

A blessing. I would be fucked or could have committed suicide long ago if it wasn't for the internet and its endless possibilities. Enlightenment is almost a mainstream term now but it would be impossible without the internet. I know I wouldn't have a clue about self-development, meditation, metaphysics, emotional mastery whatever without it.

Sunday June 21st, 14:14 It's been a month since I last written a journal entry. And to be quite frank, last month has been extremely tough on me. I do seem to be recovering right now though, and I seem to be recovering surprisingly fast. I don't really want to go into it too deeply, but after I had taken the intention one month ago to try extra hard, I hit a certain point where all the stress of my attempts of trying to change just became too much for me, and I couldn't handle it. There was a great amount of fear and on Wednesday the 3rd of June I started to become even slightly psychotic. I in fact at that very moment was convinced I would be put into a madhouse or something like that, and there were a bunch of fears that I had that basically devoured me. Many of those fears had a link with the visions that I saw during some of my psychedelic trips, of which I now realize that they far more likely or actually pretty much certainly had to do with seeing a reflection of my own unconscious fears rather than an objective prophecy; rather, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. This became verified by the fact many of the things I was almost convinced of that were going to happen in my paranoia, turned out to not be true. I expected to be in a mental hospital right now. I also expected to experience extreme emotional ups and downs. Of course, emotional ups and downs have been happening to me like every human being, but I got that kind of idea when I had read about one person habitually going from an extremely high vibrational frequency where he was basically enlightened at that moment to an extremely low vibrational frequency where he was suicidal, and I somehow convinced myself that I was going to experience the same way, and in my fearful state I of course had a lot more fear for the downs than I had excitement for the ups. I also thought about how other people have struggled with mental illnesses for many, many years and even decades, and how they only got out of it after having experienced something like that for decades (or they hadn't even gotten out of it), and then the thought came that "well did they also not just try the best they could?", which then made me think that I would need to experience the same kind of life with the same kind of struggles. I basically needed to convince myself that I had a own free will and that I was able to choose to get out of misery and despair by my own choice, as I used to have a much more deterministic perspective, that everything was written in the starts and that I was a victim of the will of God or the universe. Somehow, I did manage to recover slightly after that 3rd of June and I tried very hard to get out of it, but there were still a lot of fears, and one week later on Thursday to friday I had another really bad night, and the day following that night I happened to have a conversation with someone who I suppose you can call a spiritual counselor, and we had a good conversation and he really urged me to seek professional help, and so I did. I don't really sort of want to magnify my story and give too many details about all of what exactly had happened, but I did seek professional help, but this professional help, as I feared, requires me to be on a waiting list for another month even though I had indicated to my physician that there were suicidal thoughts. Nevertheless, without coming to rely on this professional help as it's called, I have been making a great amount of improvements since last week on Friday the 12th. Initially I was still very fearful, but every day I have been making noticeable improvements, and I start to come to the point where I'm going from really trying to make myself almost force to go into the positive direction to the point where I'm starting to feel that things are actually going to be alright. It started that Friday last week with reminding myself of the attitude that I had back in 2017, and that is that 'I will go on no matter what'. This sort of attitude was aided by the realization that I simply did not want to go into the direction of suicide or suicidal struggle, because I realized that suicide was simply not the direction I wanted to go to, that it was not the example I wanted to set with my life, because I wanted to be the person that would overcome his demons and act as a guide towards others. And on top of that there was nothing that guaranteed that it would make anything better for me to begin with, and even moreso on top of that, I realized that if I was going to dwell too much on suicidal thoughts and feelings, there was no guarantee that I was actually going to do that anyway and more likely I would eventually come to another point where I realized that suicide was simply not the direction I wanted to go in I simply decided that going into the downwards spiral was not something I would want to allow myself to go on anymore, and I decide that whatever would happen or whatever confusions or fears I may have, I was going to try my very best to keep on walking regardless even if I didn't know what direction to walk in. I also reminded myself that I had nothing to lose if I started to make a lot of changes now. previously, I was very afraid of maybe doing something wrong, but now I realized there is nothing I can really lose by trying a lot of things, even if they do fail. And since then, the recovery process seems to be going incredibly well. Initially, there were still a lot of fears, but as the days go on, it seems to be getting better each day. Basically I have been finding ways to fill up my days with certain activities and tasks, and doing certain guided meditation or hypnosis sessions, and I have purchased a binder in which I keep different tabs which contain different categories, and in that way I have been basically noting down certain insights, experiences and events that have been happening, to actually note down the answers or the findings to certain questions that I have. That really helps a lot just clarifying certain situations to me. The reason that before I wasn't as objective and scientific about noting down my life experiences in a scientific manner, was because I was afraid that I was going to discover that nothing would really be changing and that it would all be hopeless. After I realized that I had nothing to lose anyway by doing this, because the way it has been going hasn't been working out anyway so I might as well start being very scientific and objective about everything because there wasn't really any actual danger about discovering that many of my hopeless thoughts would turn out to be true (because I was already basically very identified with those fears anyway). So basically I did start to track what was happening, and I also used guided hypnosis sessions and NLP techniques to turn around negative associations and beliefs into more positive ones or into neutral and objective ones. Also, I realized that positive thinking isn't really so delusional as it might seem. I always used to have resistance against positive thinking, because I associated it with deluding yourself and being too afraid to face the truth. Now I start to realize that for one, there are positive truths which I and basically everybody can directly recognize for themselves that they are true. That would for instance be something like: "There are moments when these negative thoughts are not true" or "There is always a more neutral or positive way to regard a negative thought or situation" or "every day I am growing and learning" (although I was even skeptical towards that one) And then you also have positive thoughts that aren't necessarily objectively true, but they are relatively true, meaning they are not meant to be 'the objective die-hard truth', but rather they are used to fulfill a function. So basically what I mean with that, is that positive thoughts can be used as a self-fulfilling prophecy, in the same way that negative thoughts can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, something I've clearly come to experience in the negative. But you can also say to yourself something like 'I am confident and strong' in the mirror every morning, and such an auto-suggestion may become reality by basically making yourself believe it. It may not be objectively true in the beginning when you say that to yourself, you may not particularly feel confident and strong, but the purpose of statements like that or affirmations is not whether they are true or not at that moment, but the purpose is to create a positive self-fulfilling prophecy. That's why I have started to embrace more positive thinking in my life. Firstly, there are positive truths which you don't even have to convince yourself that it is or could be true in order for them to be true, and then there is affirmations which can be used for the purpose of creating a positive self-fulfilling prophecy I also have been keeping a video journal every day, in which I talk on average about an hour about things that are currently on my mind at that moment. Initially, I wanted to upload this to youtube every day, but youtube for some reason wouldn't process my video's properly, so instead I have started to upload to Bitchute. I have had a lot of difficulties also trying to compress my video's, but I eventually figured out a way to do that. I also wanted to merge video's together, because I get separate files in one recording session. The reason I (usually) have multiple video files over one recording session is because the maximum size of one file that is allowed on my camcorder is 3,89GB, which with my current setting is about 48 minutes of recording. The camera doesn't stop recording when that size is reached, but it does create a new separate file. So I wanted to merge the two files into one, and I thought that I had found a good solution for merging, but in the end the audio seems to not have been synced properly. I could use an online tool to merge video, which I have done with one video, but right now I just have a big desire to just get the video's uploaded, because there has been so much troubles and delays that I can't be bothered anymore trying to get it right and I just want to get it uploaded, whether it comes across amateuristic or not. In the future I will take a look at if I can manage ways to make a video that is of higher quality and merged together properly, but for now I just want to get all the recordings uploaded. So from now on, the main focus will be keeping this video diary with the intention of doing that every day (which so far has been working out for me), instead of writing on here. I do however intend to leave a link every day to my new video journal every day here. My video diary starts out with a more darker tone, especially the first one which is in Dutch (perhaps even good that you can't understand that one, haha), but it gets brighter pretty quick, it's interesting to notice. Here is my BitChute channel: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/l3uD8V851WL6/

There is no you to suicide if you dont think, how would you be even exist? you are not in the body nor in the mind. Life and you exist Because of the thoughts.

So I have never liked weed, but after not smoking it for like 5 months, I wanted to see if I still hate it. Unfortunately, it resulted in easily one of the worst nights of my life. I took one hit. One. After about 30 minutes, I thought of some super anxiety provoking idea (I don’t even remember what it was) and the anxiety spread through my body like a wave of energy. Normally I get some kind of mild anxiety, but this was just absolutely unbelievable. I had to walk outside for like 20 minutes. On this walk I experienced something more akin to a psychedelic than marijuana. My mind was going absolutely fucking haywire. I started seeing mental visions of my visual field twisting and turning into geometric shapes and viscerally felt the anxiety swallowing me whole. I almost stopped breathing. After it died down I still felt like shit, and didn’t sleep at all that night. I finally returned to baseline, but while I was still high, it felt like it was possible that I would never return. If I had to exist like that for more than a couple of days I would have 100% committed suicide. How the fuck can that happen to me with one hit while my friends and rip it all day like candy?

I don't think the suicide rate is any higher than last year at least in the UK of course that could change but for now there's nothing saying the lockdown caused more suicides, not to say the lockdown didn't have issues, domestic abuse etc. The other thing is that if the economy can't survive a lockdown for 3 months then there's a lot of problems with the economy than we thought and it probably needed to be exposed. Hopefully we can move forward and either improve the system or overhaul it in favour of some form of socialism

Agreed. It’s a good start but who knows whether he will endure it. Some have committed suicide over such inability to comprehend. I guess awakening is inevitable either way. It’s just whether one wants to enter it consciously or unconsciously.

True. Although I fear an onset of suicide ideation or the like if he fails finding stability. Awakening is extremely powerful and for some, too powerful to bear. What’s most concerning is the audience in which follow him. One holds a level responsibility when commanding that size of audience. You cannot simply be ignorant in the material you produce.

I am That I am I wanted to add that the idea that suicide is a way to reach enlightenment comes from a partial knowledge. You know that dying to the idea of a self is enlightenment so you think that killing the body will take you to the same place. That's wrong, because you still have lessons to learn and attachments. As soon as the body dies, those attachments will manifest again and you will be born again in a new body, you will still be in the cycle of samsara. What you need to kill is those attachments that the mind has to the objects of the world. Otherwise suicide will only kill the body and your idea of I will create a new body where to learn the lesson it needs to learn.

Hello my friend! I see you mentioned Shadow Work and I want to give you few ideas Emerald has amazing course on Shadow Work and Shadow Integration , you can check out her videos and learn a lot of things ! She makes Psyche looks like a piece of cake Usually we have repressed emotions and needs that are pushed into the shadow. And all this emotions and needs are acting out of your conscious awareness. So maybe there is a need for connection, but you can't get it because you have created a barrier because you got hurt when you were a child . So this barrier is negative emotion that triggers (like a fear is here to save you from bear) just to protect you from getting hurt, but end up hurting you because you can't connect. This negative emotions are corrupted by the human mind in different forms like : victim mentality ( just another way of trying to get love and acceptance etc.), rationalizations, criticism etc. So the problem here is , because it is "true to you" that you have negative emotions, you are giving them labels like "something is wrong with me, I don't know what I want , I can't be happy",but you see, how can you trust your mind when the things you are feeling are totally unconscious to you ? This negative emotions are not "bad" , this negative emotions are tying to protect you and heal you. You have conflicting unconscious motivations that you need to dig in, work on, and contemplate It for sure is transforming my life right now ! And maybe this victim mentality that you are believing in right now , is just unconscious need to get connection that you suppressed because you "believe" the only way to get to Love is Enlightenmet , or suicide maybe , because those are common when it gets really tough ... This examples are just speculation, don't mind me Shadow Work is good way to go! I learned so much about my self ! Self-Help is idea and belief, just another way to manipulate your emotions, but Shadow Work is true growth Here is another Source of LOVE! She has amazing way of helping us realize our bullshit believes ! Im just applying her teachings, and all i can say is HOLLY SHIT! Keep it up bro, all this is normal, a little suffering is needed for you to start asking the right questions, AND THE ANSWERS APPEAR! <3

But he was asking about the result, of suicide and mahasamadhi, not the drive.

Can we please lock this thread, what ever the content. Equating physical body suicide with enlightenment is dangerous, as unstable people are known to browse this forum and there have been suicide notes in the past.

Hmmmm Is there a difference between suicide and sacrifice? Both can be unified via this: choosing to end your life. Sure, the intent varies... So can we put a spin on it... Can one suicide where the intention isn't to escape the suffering... But to change the level... Hmmm.... ? ?

@Preety_India @Serotoninluv One perspective to look at it would be like this: We as individuals have our negative habits regarding dealing with situations. Let's say you are an alcoholic. Let's say you are not functional without alcohol. Now somebody comes up and takes away your alcohol . Maybe the person commits then suicide. Then it was maybe not worth to take away his alcohol. It can work out but maybe there are better ways like getting the person other kind of psychological help. Trying to do that in the system may be an option. I know there is the opinion it is impossible. That it was tried out. Don't kill the disease by killing the patient. The police can be seen as a general reflection of the society. Like your health could be seen as the functioning level of your immunsystem. When you have a weak immunsystem you will have all kinds of health issues. If you have a brutal society you will have a brutal police. Fix the source not just the symptoms.

I tend to think that people think suicide is wrong because of their beliefs, prejudices, and insecurities attached to this act. There is no difference between suicide and no-suicide because they are all distinctions and all distinctions are constructions. But if you ask me, if suicide is a form of enlightenment, then I would say no. Because after suicide, your mental aggregates coalesce and transfer to another body. Enlightenment is the elimination of all mental aggregates. There is nothing left. The pendulum has stopped. There is no back and forth motion.

Karma. Don't just assume that the karma of the suicidal person will be wiped clean. Suicide probably incurs serious karma, whereas the selfless path purifies all karma.

@Inliytened1 i was about to suicide , instead of doing that i consumed 10 gr shrooms. I died anyway, after death nothing changes. All same. Like right now.

Yeah but the difference between dying by suicide and realizing you are God are distinct. A distinction created by yourself.

The self seeks pleasure and fears pain, psychologically. The body does this naturally and in a healthy manner on its own. Suicide is when things get SO painful psychologically, that suicide is the only way the self can think of to seek escape from pain. It has nothing to do with enlightenment and is a tragic misunderstanding.

Of course not. Suicide thoughts overcome with discipline and family/community support/ music/ therapy/ psychedelics healing is always possible, no matter how bad your “genetics” or mental “ilness” is. get right and left with God, and suicide isn’t a desirable option anymore. psyches for me saved my life and healed ALL my traumas (More to heal) and allowed me actually enter stage yellow and turquoise. still building strong foundation of blue and orange, while also listening to red and beige and the other “lesser” spirals

Suicide is only something God would do if She is imagining Herself so deeply to be a <separate self> that has forgot its Divinity AND feels very, very much like a victim of "a cruel world". But nothing could be farther from the truth: <the separate self> IS in Reality pure imagination and IS in Reality God Herself and IS in Reality therefore the opposite of a victim: i.e. responsible and in power/control the whole time. Therefore the situation of a 'imaginary separate self' commiting suicide is the complete opposite of enlightenment. It's the easiest way to not reach it. Cos God will try again right after, perhaps with a character that is slightly more in touch with The Divine. :-) But you still have to go through it all again. If you want to awaken, do it now while you got the chance. :-) Of course, if you don't want to awaken, you *could* still commit suicide, if you really wanted to (not that I recommend it: I don't at all, I'm a big fan of life/the dream). This would be equal to typing "-suicide" in a video game. The characther/NPC would die, but a new one would spawn again soon after. :-) The only chance to awaken is Now. Awakening is the NPC/character realizing its Divinity/Godhead-nature. It's the most beautiful event possible inside God's dream. Go for it. But don't take my word for it -- that it's beautiful. Search for understanding, honesty and truth for their own's sake. The truth may be bad, it may be good. You have no clue. Let go of beliefs and find out yourself... for understanding's sake. Knowledge is power (real knowledge, not belief-knowledge... although belief-knowledge sort of can be powerful too (in relative sense) if it's "relatively true"). With knowledge/power you can be free. Free to do as you please. Free to control yourself (and "others") as you please. As you please will most likely be in a Loving way, since God = Love (but again: don't take my word for it!). Don't believe anything I say. EDIT: I'm here talking about the case of suicide for a person who's not awake, i.e. asleep in the dream, i.e. not aware of the dream's nature: dream (probably instead believing it to be "real" / "serious business"). I suppose some enlightened human beings will choose to commit suicide. Maybe. I am enlightened and got no plans for it, currently, but who knows in the future. But that will be out of Love, not out of "lack/regret/fear" as in the first mentioned, asleep case. Of course, ultimately speaking: a human being, who's asleep, commiting suicide is also a Loving act (big L, non-duality you know). But in a relative sense it's the opposite of love: it's fear, hate, regret, lack, believing to be a separate victim-self of a cruel world. Anyway, thanks for the good question <3

@BipolarGrowth As he said suicide is driven by the ego. It derives from selfishness. This is not to downplay the pain of depression. But suicide ultimately comes from a point in which to appease the self.