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Taking part in forum is divinity speaking with divinity but different bodies. So I find joy in putting conscious and self aware conscious word when I type. I simply type and allow the words to flow it is written spirit lead teachings. 1. Form is temporariness 2. There is no Identity. 3. Desire causes suffering 4. Suffering and the need to desire is caused by unconsciousness. 5. Increasing consciousness is the cure to suffering. Life is Alchemy Construction deconstruction deconstruction. De-construction is simply rearrangement of construct. Construct is form abstract is formlessness. Order and chaos. Divinity is synthesis. It is within synthesis that construct and abstract become a spectrum. The sleep state is the death state. 1. Death does not exist in heaven 2. Heaven is reserved for the awakened.

I've experienced hell a couple of times, but never have my consciousness been trapped there. I've had the same kind of awakenings before, where the plane of "others and me" have been seen clearly to be a trap and a hellish loop. I haven't had reactions like hers to it though. Thought it would be interesting if we came up with some recommendation for her and people who are in the same state/space. I would say she needs to slow down, her mind has obviously trapped itself in a higher/lower state. Almost like a continous bad-trip. Her insights seem to have been corrupted or misinterpreted as evil. I don't have a lot of recommendations, just slow down, breath and seek out help. Also it seems like she has a big story about what awakening and enlightenment is. She thought there was a divine purpose for her and so on, then she awakened and found out her whole story was a dream/illusion.

No. Straight out no. It's about ❤️. You know what @Nahm's dreamboard is 7 million times more helpful for ❤️ awakening then this empty talk about "there is no one inside" "awareness" and such. ❤️ Is epic is monumental is absolute it's infinite literally and it's real you. THIS is fully you. That is what no separation is actually. All you. This specific "enlightened master" and if you really are awake you will never call yourself like that, yes there is no "you" as person you know but there is a YOU (❤️),is as Leo likes to call it level of mind awakening. That's not ❤️ awakening and if he really is ❤️ awakened he will speak much differently he will sometimes cry like Leo for example and will not be dispassionate at all. Just my take you know.

@Inliytened1 Yes, certainly someone can be awakened as fuck and then act like a complete twat and cheat in his wife, abuse his students and abuse his power. However, to be that is a sign of an 'incomplete' awakening, as after awakening to love and embodying it I feel the capacity to do such things reduces massively. I know many here don't like the LOC scale, but I'll bring it in as it applies well here for this scenario. What you're basically describing is the LOC 700s, where the 'I am the Universe/ God/ Everything' rhetoric comes in. Don't get me wrong it's an AMAZING awakening and puts an end to the whole No-Self jargon which I think we both have had enough of on here However, this awakening can occasionally be used to say 'I'm enlightened, I'm the whole universe and I'm superior to you, so I can treat you how I want!' This happened in cases such as Bentino Massano, Mooji, and Ramaji had Osho in the 700s also. But, it is clear these people are awakened isn't it, however, their behavior didn't align at all, which is both an embodiment and the fact the true opening to infinite love and The Self/ God as being IT hasn't been recognized. Any sort of superiority is dropped with true Self-Realisation, that's kind of my other issue here with Psyches, if they make people think they're superior, then they aren't a true awakening, which is the most humbling thing possible when you literally realize you are the SAME as everyone else, and there simply isn't a hierarchy. There is just beings who have recognized the nature of their own being, and those who haven't, either way, EVERYONE is The Self/ God and everyone is you. Any notions of superiority and being better is instantly wiped away. So I don't think embodiment is something to take lightly, if we look at beings such as Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, Adya, Ramana Maharshi and Nisgardatta (All at 'LOC 1000') they are exact examples of what I mean, they have aligned their lives with truth, happiness and peace. And, this doesn't mean you have to become a teacher or anything, just simply your life becomes an expression of peace, love and happiness in all areas such as Work, Relationships, Activities, Actions, Thoughts, and Feelings. So, to me becoming a Zen Devil would quite frankly be the sign there is further to go either in awakening sense or embodiment sense. And, just to be clear here, I am far from perfect in this area, as I am still very much integrating as most of us here are (for example in Zen they say it can take up to 7 years to truly integrate, @Haumea2018 has been at '1000' for 2 years, and said it involves a LOT of shadow work and purification) The thing is people will then think oh if you're still doing work how can you be awake?!?!?!?!? That's also my gripe with the No-Self clan, it seems as much as 'there's nothing to do and nobody here' they don't want to face the shadow and dark side within, because it really isn't fun at times I can tell you that! But, you could easily do Shadow work and purification pre-awakening, it just becomes a LOT easier when the I-thought is no longer in the way sabotaging you. And lastly, to me understanding The Self/ The Absolute, and not living like it is simply not understanding the teaching fully, embodiment can bring even deeper levels of harmony and being in my experience as you aren't living 'against' the Truth. For example, I would imagine an awakened being would find it hard to then go and be a marketer for McDonald's and continue poisoning kids, I feel they'd be called to move to a company doing the opposite if you get me. I rambled on a bit there but in one sentence- I don't see Zen Devils as fully awake, to me integration and embodiment is so so important, and Realisation and Insights are like Chapter 1-2 in the book! I think Rupert talks about this somewhere, I'll try and find it @Display_Name Not until I'm 25 Also, I'm currently still working on embodiment and integration and the 'clearing' stage of this work, so right now it wouldn't be right for me, maybe in several years as a test it could be fun @fridjonk Wrong! 5MEO takes you to LOC99999999999!

Spontaneity is a part of the mix and a pointer towards an understanding of the scope and nature of phenomenology could you say? An Awakened spotenaity is the transformation of conditioned reactiveness. No? Reply with a subtle statement or a bold statement. A declaration, assertion, or question? Maybe a song?

What's the difference tho? It doesn't matter to you if another is awake every second of their life or not, but deep insights that cannot be had within a human body certainly are more interesting than yet another "normal" awakened being; there are tens of thousands of those already. There are not thousands that are going to these psychedelic breakthrough depths with serious enlightenment work. Once your brain is lubed up from meditation and contemplation, and you pop a psychedelic, you best believe you're going to face God with full intensity! Not trying to start another debate btw, just interested in your thoughts on this.

@Matteo Of course, and that is why I said who knows in a decade we could see hundreds of 5MEO awakened beings, just so far we haven't at all. So far it seems it creates a sense of delusion, narcissism and Inflation (did anyone read the articles linked?) That being said, I am of course opening to this changing and am not tied to one path, if the psychedelic path proves to be more effective in helping raise people's consciousness and awaken them, I'm all for it. Like I already said, Psychedelics can give people incredible insights, experiences and even healing modalities, I'm just not convinced on Leo's whole more awakened than the Buddha based on how he acts on here, what he says and his videos that's all. At this point I would not class him as awake at all in fact, this doesn't mean I'm dismissing his Experiences or Insights at all btw, I'm talking about Self-Realisation, not just insights and experiences, while great, no experience lasts forever, no matter how high you go always end back here, with THIS.

@Nexeternity So Leo is still seeking then? Ramaji mentioned it recently actually that Leo isn’t in Non-Duality, therefore, isn’t awakened, can’t have it both ways. And, yes, very rarely are people asked their age when psyches are recommended, they just are recommended, I have no problem with psyches, my issue is with reckless recommendations to people too young for them. As I clearly stated I am not talking badly of psyches, they are great medicines for the right people, at the right time and when used responsibly of course. Never once did I dispute that. Of course “responsible use” is quite a blanket term, to me using a synthetic chemical weekly in quite high doses isn’t responsible, to others it may be. Maybe a safety post should be made on Psyches regarding the points you made, as I do see them recommended without any age questions. Ive even seen them recommended after by someone after they said they almost committed Suicide during a trip on here. My main point, is that I’m yet to see any awakened beings who are proponents of this 5MEO path, that’s all. Who knows, in a decade there could be 1000s.

What do you mean am I still doing the computer thing? I think you mean.... are we still both doing the computer thing. I realize I'm doing it ….consciously ….you don't realize you are doing it because you do it subconsciously. You are not awakened enough

@EternalForest What if "creation" in an awakened state would always appear self-consistent with the universe from the point of view of the ego? I mean, by changing the universe you are also changing yourself, which could explain why there is no definitive record of a "miracle" ever happening in the history of mankind, despite the possibility that awakening could've happened an infinite number of times in many worlds.

Awakened is all things. Both what you seem to be parsing into awake and not awake. And what is this comparing of supposed individuals? Supposedly more awake and less? I'm pointing to something, if your curious, look, if not, don't. What will be will be..... Again there was no separate self, no you that had a separate self experience, it was TOTALLY YOU all along.

Nothing hears it... the separate sense of self or ego just falls away.. nothing understands it, it just apparently happens. Prior to awakening the separate self does not want to hear this message and will always misinterpret it. Yes there's not really a misunderstanding in a sense that anything actually matters but it can help to understand how and what Awakening actually entails. Yes nothing is in order or out of order it's just as it is. There is absolutely an apparent happening ...I used to run around in the rat race trying to achieve achieve achieve gain gain improve improve.... the seeking energy was exhausting the human body. Anyone can say all day long that it's not a happening...but I guarantee if you compare two individuals one that's awakened and one that is not ...they will have very different lives... especially because awakened does not identify as a self and no longer suffers in self pitty/delusion. Just check out that samadhi movie, it almost mimicked identically the experience that occurred here.

Hi everyone Thought it would be a great idea to start a thread where people can genuinely help one another with this spiritual journey that we have all embarked on. The idea behind this thread is that people would share their insights and realisations with the aim of pointing out to those who have not yet had that awakening in the right direction. So we would sort of just be holding hands here and pulling one another in the path so that no ends up getting lost so to speak. For example, if you've had an awakening and you're directly aware of some truth which is overlooked by many then if you could.. you would post whatever ever that insight helped you realize as to shed some light on common misconceptions regarding reality. These pointers would then be sort of shifting perspectives in a way that if a person is holding a belief or some idea about reality which is preventing him/her from directly accessing it then this will help make that clear and help focus on what is actually going on, what is actually there. So if you, let's say, had an awakening to what love is and you're directly aware of what it is then your job would be to shed light on common ideas regarding love like how it's an emotion.. you would have to say why that isn't the case. But not just say so, actually help us notice why it isn't the case, point out the idea, expose the egotistic belief and what we're imagining, kinda like the way Leo does in his videos. I've titled this thread "Actually" because we would only be pointing out what is actually happening, things we've taken for granted. Like: "Hey, you know that thing we call an emotion that is triggered by electromagnetic chemicals? Well, actually it's not that at all because if you notice x y and z you'll understand that emotions are just imagination." So, this is not about getting other people to awaken to the thing that you've awakened to. That won't happen. That person would also have to put in some of the work you've put in in order to really get that awakening. Same way watching Leo's videos won't suddenly make you awake to whatever insight is being shared in the video. Here we're basically just all traveling while holding hands so that everyone has better chances of coming out into the light. I just figured that hey.. since we're all on the same path why don't we just hold hands and guide each other to the same destination. Rules: 1. Don't talk about it if you're not directly aware of it! I'm trying to prevent debates from happening. This is not 'the battle of the insights' thread. If you're directly aware of it then there would be no point in arguing because we all see that the grass is green. And if a person is not getting whatever that you're trying to point to and is just opposing in every direction then drop it. Clearly that person is not ready for that insight. 2. No dropping nondual A-bombs! Guys, we are trying to share radical insights from personal awakenings and we are trying to radically shift perspectives for the good of the path. But don't just show up heavy handed with it saying things like "Nothing exists". I mean come on! You're missing the point of this thread then. I mean if you're directly aware of nonduality then great for you, but show consideration for the guy who just started with this work. Me, I'm the guy who just started with this path and for me it sure as hell, clearly, seems like a lot of things exist. Alright, and those are the rules. Please, don't be stressful be helpful. If you get the impression that the other person is not feeling helped then immediately let it go. It's okay Okay then, I hope I've made things clear and that my post isn't that long. But most importantly I hope most you folks would be willing to help and share some insights with care and love. I'll start just so that everyone knows how I mean this. ?

50% Universal Mind 50% Universal Heart = Full Awakened Being Love is in all projections, how you see it is all that matters. If you can see the perfection, the beauty, the love in all, what i or anyone stated would not even bother you because you would see the truth in all things, even in illusion.

There is no arrogance in play. You do not innerstand the level spoken through the vessel and your message is flawed. There is no such thing as cut-time. All is now, all else is illusory. If you were fully awakened you would understand the level of consciousness/play i project.

@Leo Gura Great response, agree 100% with that. I feel some people want to dive in at the deep end in their first swimming lesson, which is fine, just be prepared for a few times where you almost drown. As you mentioned, even post awakening these things have their relative importance, unless you plan to become a monk or hermit, which I suspect not that many on here do. Out of curiosity do you plan to teach on any of those things you listed above? I was speaking to someone the other day, it’s going to be fun when the first/ more truly awakened nutritionists, bodybuilders, money coaches, businessmen, school teachers, interior designers, athletes etc start popping up everywhere.

Shadow Work and awakening are different in many regards. Shadow Work is very much situated with Maya. But a person can be awakened without dealing with their human traumas. So, my recommendation is to do both. Here is a playlist of mine, that I made all about the Shadow... it will pop up as one video but there are 8 or 9 videos in the playlist

Sexual Polarity & Creation of Magnetic Field between man and woman one of the greatest insight of tantra is male and female energies are equal and opposite forces. Yang and yin are one of the most popular examples of this. Sexual union between these two can create an ecstatic sexual experience through interplay of opposite polarities polarities. Polarities are present in both man and woman. Sadly due to social conditioning, these polarities are not being able to function according to their innate quality. These conditioning are like rust in polarities and they exist as if they are "normal". They create disturbance and sexual energy can not act according to their polarities as a result. Polarities are like magnets. That is why when man and woman come together, it feels like an attractive magnetic field. Through consciousness, we can decondition and then our polarities can go back to functioning as it is wired to function such way. Man will begin to feel their masculine energy and woman will begin to feel feminine energy. Male energy represents positive and female energy represent negative. Each half is alone and incomplete. So nature brings them together to become complete. The man, who is positive, has inner negative pole (inner women) and the woman, who is negative, has inner positive pole (inner man). Man carries the positive pole in his cock and the negative pole in his chest and heart area. Woman on the other hand, carries negative pole in her pussy and positive pole in her breasts. Between this positive and negative magnetic pole, a stream flows upward through the body of man and woman. This magnetic field between the two opposite pole is called " Rod of Magnetism" These two magnetic rod of man and women create a magnetic field when they create sexual union. This way, they become "complete". Male energy flow from cock into pussy and up towards the woman's heart. The female energy responds through breasts by penetrating man' heart and flowing downward to his sex center. A complete unit is created and now electricity passes back and forth from man to woman with active and passive phases, man becoming woman and woman becoming man. Tantra refers to the phenomenon as "the circle of light". This powerful polarity effect represents the highest potential of man and woman together, as a spiritual force through which it is possible to penetrate the mysteries of life. Information about polarities can help practically in lovemaking. Like electricity, body energy also flows from positive to negative. It is the positive poles of the male and female bodies that needs to be awakened to initiate the deeper movement of sexual energy. That is why tantra calls cock and breasts the " positive poles of love". They are the source of all life, semen from man and milk from woman. The quality of sexual energy generation depends on treating them as such during foreplay and sex.

@mp22 We must now remember, Leo is the most awake human ever, and nobody else is close. have you not got the memo recently? on a serious note, as much as Leo May think nobody else is awake, I’m yet to find a teacher or really anyone in the community who doesn’t think this is just Leo experiencing Inflation, Grandeur and potentially even Narcissism. So, it’s either Leo is the grand master of awakening and 5MEO is the holy grail, and over the millennia, all awakenings are void. Or, maybe, a lot of people’s suspicions regarding Leo and his “awakening” could also be true. Who knows! Maybe, Leo has had deep insights and awakenings on these drugs, but maybe isn’t truly awakened as he claims he is and that’s why he keeps going back for more? I will not say either. Who really knows? Although, I will say, I think recent behaviour has left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths. But, then again who are we to judge someone’s else’s awakenings? Maybe, in 100 years they will look back on Leo’s life as a great advancement in awakening and the proof of the psychedelic path. or they will look back on the first online psychedelic cult of its kind, that lead to lots and lots of issues. Or maybe somewhere in between. who knows? Focus on yourself, do the work and be your own guru, teachers are there to help you, not to idiolizse Personally I haven’t resonated with Leo for a long time, and am finding it very interesting what he is writing recently.

@Farnaby Thank you! Good question when you asked, 1) What purpose does weed/getting high serve in your life? Are you trying to escape some particular feeling (boredom, loneliness, sadness, anger, etc.) or void. When I try to quit, there are feelings of guilt, shame, sadness, anger, frustration, and melancholy (due to the after effects of loading up on cannabinoids and then detoxing will cause the brain to go through a rebalancing stage where the THC built up in the system leaves), but my melancholy feelings are also present with my feelings of depression and anxiety when it arises. My emotional awareness needs exercised, I also require more healing. I feel left out and jealous when I see people smoking after I've quit. I haven't been strong enough to face enough of myself to just get through a year smoke free. I would love to see myself at that point. I want my life back from my bad cycles. You said, 2) Once you have identified it's function, experiment with healthier ways to deal with these feelings such as exercise, meeting with people you feel nice with, walks in nature, whatever you think may be enjoyable. You will probably feel as if these things are boring without being high, but keep doing them mindfully, noticing if there's something positive about doing these things without being high. I can relate to feeling bored. I love to exercise, I love to create art. Smoking marijuana has been so stimulating for me that it feels boring in comparison for a while. The sad part about this phase for me is that the symptom of boredom lasts so long that it sometimes translates to depression in ways, or other ways drags it up because I am free to actually feel my underlying "lack in life." For your third point, 3) Meditation. This is "easy" and hard for me to do still at this point. I used to pride myself on my wanting to self help and my ability to being to meditate over the coarse of the years but find that by some capacity I need to exercise my ability to sit and go through the process of closer self observation, because it will be months before I can get myself to sit down again consciously and begin a session. I do quidded meditations but this is still noise not quiet self observation. Can I ask, Is there a tip you may have to slow down and focus? On 4) Avoid places, people, etc., that trigger your cravings, at least until you feel more in control. I care a lot about my specific friends and social time. My social time has fed me. How do I let these things go right now? How do I get to the platform where I am ready to embrace distance? If you have any tips on self soothing while I stay away from my pot smoking crowd, that's always welcome too. I begin to feel lonely and "unfed," "uninspired." Although I am an introvert at heart, and have always been, the more I have awakened to more of myself the more I feel fed by social interactions and have built closer and more loving relationships with my friends un leu of being more open to my own self love ( who happen to be the people who smoked with me). So while I am healing from my addiction my issue is creating new relationships that support a non addictive lifestyle and be able to relate to them when I do not feel like creating new bonds at all while I am going through change like this during the time where I would like the support or company of my close friends. How do I build strength on this? on point 5) Go to therapy with a therapist that you feel you can trust and doesn't judge you I very much agree, its taken me years to start to talk to a professional and it's been life changing. on point 6) Pay attention to the things in your life that improve when you're sober. Thank you. When I feel the important things returning to the forefront its when I am in a state of gratitude. I am not thankful enough in my tired times. 7) Stay active, don't stay at home alone too much. I am a homebody a lot of the time, I need to prioritize physically getting up and making the move to get out. I am active, I just am home more. This is somewhere I can learn to improve. 8) Be compassionate towards yourself, it's normal to relapse and if it happens there's probably a lesson to be learned. Thank you.

There is even people actually believing that the Earth is flat. That's an extreme example, but you can't judge a book by its cover, the fact someone is a psychotherapist isn't a guarantee that they are smart. And even enlightened people aren't know-it-all Gods, awakening doesn't make you knowledgeable, for example Gurdjieff didn't believe in Darwinism, he thought that dogs mated with humans and gave birth to monkeys (lol). In fact I asked Jan Esmann, who is obviously awakened imo, and he told me 'don't do LSD, it fucks you up'.

@whatthefucksgoinon Just so you know, Francis is Ruperts teacher, and who taught him the direct path. And, no you don’t! solitude and the inward path has its place but you don’t need to be a hermit, that can also come from a place of fear of the “dirty world” and protecting your peace. The only reason to do that, would be if you really wanted to, however you can be completely involved in life and completely awakened, Rupert is a great teacher. Go enjoy life! Go live!

What I've learned so far in this thread: Main issues: who is really awakened, who isn't? How do we know any one teacher is truly awake? All teachers and their teachings are false? How do we verify for ourselves without losing too much time? Also issues about authority to teachers and students. Issues on misunderstanding awakening from other states, enlightenment, paranormal experiences ect. Side issues that seem random, coming out of left field: masculine and feminine and what governs truth/untruth(possibility/impossibility), how to do contemplation properly, being a personal god vs an external god, solipsism, nihilism, questioning existence and sentience, the whole Viper's nest of trying to word, define and re-define God for yourself, using language magic to divine god, touching on ideas and beliefs as mind viruses that spread, reconciling old beliefs with new ones, and how God practices on different universes and how you've done this once upon a time too. Also the issue of threads getting off into tangents on other issues that hardly have anything to do with main issue.?

How work, when I don't have access to 5-meo-dmt? I ask questions, because that's we are doing here right, communicating? Trying to find and share Truth? Do You notice that when I ask You an interesting question, to which You could give me an answer(Which would be a loving/wholesome thin to do), You do not answer them and say "go do work". I don't know, why such an attitude, an awakened person would choose to express.

I understand that 5-meo-dmt is the wisest and straight-to-the-point way to awaken. However, it is not possible to obtain it and do it in the country where I live. Therefore, I am asking You, because I consider You to be awaken. Therefore, Leo, could You tell me what was the message that Youve got when you awakened? Thank You