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I've found something in Franklin Merrell-Wolff's 'Experience and Philosophy'. It is pretty much congruent with Gurdjieff and I find it very well written. But he also puts it into the context of Liberation. FMW is not connected with the 'Work' in any way. I recommend reading it. This is the first part: Now, we come to a point of the highest practical importance. If a man, while embodied, has not learned to integrate consciously the embodied with the disembodied levels of percipience, then so far as the personal consciousness is concerned, death involves entering a state like dreamless sleep. In the higher sense, it is not an unconscious state, but it is unconscious for the personal man, except that he may experience a sort of dreaming consciousness apparently constructed along the formal lines of his embodied experience. Let the reader keep it well in mind that this is not a matter of an arbitrary or imaginative eschatology but, rather, of a necessity that must be clear from purely epistemological considerations. The point is simply this: If a conscious being has integrated self-consciousness in a given kind of complex mode, such as the 'five-sense' perceptive consciousness of man, and if it is familiar with no other mode of consciousness, then if it is suddenly severed from that mode and thrust into one utterly different, no matter how bright the Light of the latter may be, it will seem to this being as unconsciousness. After a time self-consciousness may awaken to function in the new mode, but there will be no basis for recognizing the new entity as being the same individual who experienced in terms of the former mode. This is a radical interruption of the continuity of self-consciousness, and, while in the Higher or Spritual sense, Consciousness per se has not ceased, yet the individual, as individual, has proved to be no more than a mortal being. Actually, nature guarantees man no more than this. But he may by his own self-induced effort and by aid of Awakened Men achieve continuity of self-consious or individualized consciousness. This is acquired or conditional immortality and constitutes an important part of the significance of Cosmic Consciousness. The crux of the whole problem in achieving individualized immortality is the learning to integrate while still embodied the outer and inner levels of percipience. This is, in fact, the mystic process symbolized by the squaring of the circle. The relationship between the square and the circle is incommensurable, and this means that 'circular' relationships or values are not comprehensible in 'square' terms. Embodied man is a square while the Inner Man is a circle. The mass of human beings shift from level to level through unconsciousness, and thus in these cases the one level is to the other like dreamless sleep. The two states are discrete instead of continuous, and, therefore, we are faced with a condition where we have, as it were, two distinct men instead of one self-conscious Being. The circle is birthless and deathless and consequently immortal, but the square is generated in time and in the course of time subject to dissolution. But by 'squaring' the circle, or more correctly by 'circularizing' the square, the latter kind of consciousness is taken up and blended with the immortal Consciousness of the circle. This gives to the individual consciousness immortality. It should be clear that the cross-transference in sleep or during the trance state is not enough. Man must win the power to be awake here and There at the same time. Once he has done this, even though the cross-correlation were achieved for but one moment in a given lifetime, he has mastered death and is immortal in the acquired sense. Now, when a man has succeeded in 'circularizing' the square, he has shifted his center of self-identity to the circle and thus has really died while remaining in the physical body. Consequently, while moving in the world he has become One who is not of the world. I will continue tomorrow.

Sexual energy is actually a strong element in mystical experiences and openmindedness. The awakened feminine and masculine both radiate sexual energy.

HAhahaha This is CRAZY! I wasn't looking for any answers and I just clicked on the journal under mine hmmm "#2020 Alchemy Project" Lets see what is going on here ! Im interested in Alchemy ... AND HERE IT IS! HERE IS MY ANSWER I ASKED ABOVE! This is what is happening to me ! Something is guiding me i swear! What is a top down awakening? So what is a Top-Down Awakening? A Top-Down awakening in simple terms means that your crown and third eye chakras are open and that you have quite a bit of energy surrounding your head and shoulders. Basically, you are receiving input from the heaven/sky but not the earth. Due to genetics, spiritual pursuits, or other reasons you have opened yourself to the divine, to spirit, and to the different and hidden layers of realty. It is fairly easy actually to open to spirit and to begin to be more connected to spiritual matters. Many people end up with this type of awakening because they became interested in spiritual pursuits, started attending classes, doing drugs, reading literature, and finding gurus and other teachers who show them how to seek outside of themselves. Others begin life with a top-down awakening due to family history of psychic abilities or previous life abilities carried forward into this life. The issue with this type of awakening is that it is not grounded in anything. It is not required to do much personal work or to open your first three chakras to have this type of awakening. The person experiencing this type of awakening begins to separate from this earth, this reality. They often will claim to not want to be here, or to originate from elsewhere. This very much may be true, but a recognition of the human body, the body that you are carrying this lifetime, and a desire to be grounded and do personal work, which is often quite difficult, is necessary for a full awakening or to come to a state of balance if you are experiencing this type of awakening. What are other symptoms or experiences of the Top-Down awakened? The person undergoing a top-down awakening will have immense energy circulating into their crown, third eye, and around their head and shoulders. Unfortunately for the experiencer of this, the energy is not able to move much further down because the throat chakra and heart chakra require the lower chakras to be open to open themselves. So the energy is stuck in the upper body- leading to a bottleneck of energy, headaches, neck pain, disassociation, ego issues (these are some of the people who tell others how awakened they are or that they are enlightened but still are quite judgemental and lack focus on their own issues), and significant mental health issues including mania and depression can develop. It is also quite common for the Top-Down awakened to be in a great deal of physical pain. Hip, back, foot, and leg pain are prevalent, but the all-over pain that comes with issues such as Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and other Autoimmune and Connective Tissue disorders are common in this category. It is also common for the experiencer to carry weight around the mid-section but have thin legs, and a constant raising of the shoulders towards the ears. Other symptoms include: being open to spiritual guidance, psychic abilities, mediumship and channeling capabilities, understanding of patterns and concepts from a different vantage point (which is due to many of these individuals being halfway out of their body so they really do have a different perspective), headaches, sinus pain, closed off feelings in the throat, thyroid issues, cravings for meat, chocolate, carbohydrates, or other grounding foods, delusions, paranoia, and feelings of heaviness or stuckness in the shoulders, upper back, heart, neck, and head.

@Nak Khid That's fair hahaha Even so it seems to be with certainty that Practices + 5-Meo-DMT > Practices Let me ask a secondary question then for anyone: Has anyone become enlightened (permanently awakened) through 5-meo-DMT? (Yea permanence and time are an illusion but guess what who cares --- no one wants to lose their high state of consciousness in the imaginary future)

Not trying to compare here (I'm about to compare). I know Leo said many awakened people are not really awake. I'd like here where he has gotten compared to Sadhguru. Sadhguru talks about his past lives, and says that he built the character he is playing now. He also talks about parallel universes, complete mastery of his energy systems and topics that utterly beyond my comprehension just like in Leo's videos. What do you think Leo? Wheres this guy at? Do you think he's seen and felt what you have, maybe beyond? If he can "leave through his seven chakras" as he said he has he must be capable of some crazy shit within the realm of consciousness.

“Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends. No one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so.” ~~ Quote from the “Hidden Hand” Interview Below are key excerpts from a 60-page Internet interview with a self-proclaimed deep insider who goes by “Hidden Hand.” This took place in October 2008 on abovetopsecret forums. For the full interview, http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1 Questions have been removed in this 16-page summary to focus on the main points of this provocative message. The transcript has also been edited and rearranged for clarity and ease of reading. This essay has most intriguing answers as to why there is so much war and violence on our planet, and why some of our world leaders are so corrupt and cruel. You are encouraged to be skeptical, yet also open to the inspiration and wisdom shared. You are invited to use your discernment and open to higher guidance as you read this. Consider particularly that the “harvest” mentioned may just be a metaphor for what happens to each individual at death. Window of Opportunity Ruling Bloodlines and the Family I am a generational member of a ruling bloodline family. Every so often, as per the directives of the law of our Infinite Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects. Our lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity. There are 13 base or core original bloodlines. Yet there are many, many other lines that spring from these. From the earliest times of your recorded history and beyond, our Family has been directing the play from behind the scenes. We are born to lead. It is part of the design for this current paradigm. People in this world are seen as collateral – pawns that are maneuvered around the chess board according to the game plan. But in the Family, contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly. There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must play our parts in the game, as given to us by the Infinite Creator. There are six disciplines of training within the Family. Each member of the Family is schooled extensively in all of them from early childhood. The six spheres or schools of learning are military, government, spiritual, scholarship, leadership, and sciences. Though we have experience in all spheres, we all have an area of specialty. My area of specialty is in spirituality, so my focus is not so much on geo-political events. I am aware of the overall design, though the finer points are often outside of my area of expertise. You will never be free for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and “here” is very likely not really where you think “here” is. How do you become free? By working out where you are and coming to an understanding of why you are here. In your hypnotized state, you have as a society given your free will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to; violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant bad news, fear and “terror”. When was the last time you stopped to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction every time you look the other way when you see an injustice. Your thought, projected at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Infinite Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us that the polarization of this planet is negative at the time of the great harvest. That means service to self orientated, as opposed to positive, service to others. We require a negative harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful. We came to power not by chance, but rather (which I know may be hard to swallow) by intelligent design. This path of ours was not chosen by us, but rather it was appointed and accepted. Begin to study outside of the box for a true understanding of the creation. In the Beginning In the beginning, there is the Infinite One. This is the source of All That Is. Infinite consciousness. Intelligent infinity. It is the undifferentiated absolute. Within it is unlimited potential, waiting to become. Think of it as the “uncarved block” of your Taoist traditions. There is unity. Infinite intelligence and infinite energy – the two are one. Within them is the potential for all creation. Infinite intelligence does not recognize its potential. It is the undifferentiated absolute. This state of consciousness could be termed as “being”. Infinite energy, in contrast, recognizes the potential of “becoming” all things in order to bring any desired experience into being. Infinite intelligence can be likened to the central heartbeat of life, and infinite energy to the spiritual life-blood which pumps out from the Infinite Creator to form the creation. Infinite intelligence, becoming aware of itself, seeks to experience itself, and thus the “One Infinite Creator” is born or manifest. In effect, the Creator is a point of focused infinite consciousness expressing infinite intelligent energy. The One Infinite Creator, also becoming self aware, seeks to experience itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in the creational spiral. On focusing its infinite intelligence, the One Infinite Creator manifests intelligent energy which you could call the great central sun. It then divides itself into smaller portions of itself that can, in turn, experience themselves as creators (or central suns). In other words, each central sun (or creator) is a step down in conscious awareness (or distortion) from the original “thought” of creation. Creation is based upon the “Three Primary Distortions of The Infinite One”: 1. Free Will 2. Love 3. Light 1). Free Will: In the first law (or distortion) of creation, the creator receives the free will to know and experience itself as an individuated, though (paradoxically) unified, aspect of the One. 2). Love: In the second law of creation, the initial distortion of free will becomes a focus point of awareness known as Logos, or love (or “The Word” in biblical terms). Love, or Logos, using its infinite intelligent energy then takes on the role of co-creating a vast array of physical manifestations (thought forms) or densities (which some call dimensions or planes of existence), in which according to its intelligent design, will best offer the range of potential experiences in which it can know itself. In effect, the One Infinite Creator, in dividing itself into Logos, could be termed in your third density understanding as a “Universal Creator”. In other words, Logos creates physical universes in which it and the creator may experience themselves (“let there be light”). 3). Light: To manifest this infinite spiritual or life-force energy into a physical thought form of densities, Logos creates the third distortion of light. The nature of all physically manifest energy is light. Wherever thus exists any form of physical matter, there is light, love, and divine intelligent energy at it’s core. From the three original primary distortions of the One, which make the creation, arise myriad hierarchies of other sub-distortions, each containing their own specific paradoxes. The goal of the game is to enter into these further divisions of creation, and then seek to harmonize the polarities in order to once again know oneself as the creator of them. Drawing upon its infinite intelligence, the Infinite Creator designed a blueprint based on the finite principles of free will of awareness and sub-level creations, which each in their turn, could become aware of themselves and seek to experience themselves as creators. The One Infinite Creator (or great central sun) steps down its infinite energy to become Logos. Logos in turn designs vast universes of space (as yet unmaterialized), stepping down and splitting itself again, into Logoi (plural), in other words, into an array of central suns which will each become a Logos (or co-creator) of its own universe. Yet each unique individualized portion created by the One Infinite Creator contains within it, as its very essence, intelligent infinity. Using the law of free will, each universal Logos (central sun) designs and creates its own version or perspective of physical reality in which to experience itself as creator by focusing its intelligent energy to create, for instance, the form of galaxies within itself. Stepping down again, each galactic Logos (sub-Logos) can split itself into yet further co-creator portions (sub-sub-Logos), which can then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality, as in the form of points of conscious awareness that we call stars and planets. We are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos, sub-Logos, sub-sub-Logos and so on. So from that perspective, whilst we are all essentially made up of the same “stuff” of creation, initiated by the One Infinite Creator, our direct personal creators are different portions or sub-Logos of the One. Yahweh and Lucifer Your creator, the one who has been called “Yahweh”, is not “God” inasmuch as your Bible refers to him as being the one true God. He is “a” creator (or sub-sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a galactic level Logos, but rather, is the planetary Logos for this one planet. There are other and higher “gods” than him. Yet ultimately, all are a part of the One. And either consciously or unconsciously, all are exercising their free will to create. Our creator is the one you refer to as Lucifer, “the Light Bearer” and “Morning Star”. Our creator is not “the Devil”, as he has been portrayed in some religious texts. Lucifer is what you would call a “Group Soul” or “Social Memory Complex”, which has evolved to the level of the sixth density. We (our bloodline families), as a group soul or social memory complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of seventh density ascension. At this level, before harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or to return to help others of lower densities with their evolution by passing down our knowledge and wisdom to those that call upon us for assistance with their own free will. Now at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our galactic brothers and sisters in the One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the guardians of this galaxy. Yahweh had not handed down his own free will to “know thyself” to those incarnating upon “his” planet, as was his right as planetary Logos. As a result, he was having very little evolutionary progress therein. In the absence of free will, there can be no polarity, and therefore, nothing to “choose” between. As is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very “Edenic” in nature. Sure, it was a lovely “paradise”, yet the beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the third density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey home to the One. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we “fell”, or descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a third density manifestation of ourself. Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact, it was he who had initially asked the Council for a “catalyst” of change to enter into his creation. Without polarity (derived from free will), there is only the unity of love and light, and no choice to experience “other than” that. So we were to be the catalyst for change in order to provide that choice, thus bringing polarity. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of free will to Earth’s inhabitants by offering them an initial choice as to whether they wanted it or not. Hence, “The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil” (or more accurately, the knowledge of polarity – of positive and negative). Yahweh then takes his inhabitants to a new “garden”. He tells them they can do anything they like except eating from the Tree of Knowledge, thus creating in them the desire to do the one thing they are told they cannot. Hence, a “choice”. We provide the catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining knowledge. They then choose to eat from the tree, and the rest is history. Yahweh thought that his “children” would still choose to obey him. When he discovered they did not, he became angry. As is described in his scriptures, he is a jealous God. He did not like it that his children had chosen to disobey him and follow our advice. Yet our group soul was already committed to being here for a predefined set of cycles to help provide the catalyst for human evolution, namely by offering you the negative option, or that which you choose to call “evil” The Game of Life Let’s be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life/incarnation) is a very intricate and skillfully designed game, whereby the One Infinite Creator plays the game of forgetting who it is, so that it can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know itself as creator, all the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage and between lives as incarnated human beings (zero-point time/antimatter universe), we – all of us and all of you as souls – are great friends, brothers and sisters in the One. Between lives we all have a good laugh about the parts we have performed in the “play” and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out. You are divine souls. You are sparks or seeds of the One Infinite Creator. You are life itself, remembering and learning who you really are. We came here to help you to do this. The planet will complete its ascension to the fourth density, the vibrational density of love. During this ascension, there will be a three-way split for those souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly negative polarity will accompany us as we graduate through the negative (or service to self) harvest. We (Lucifer) will create a new fourth density Earth, based on the negative service to self polarity, where we must work off our own part of the negative karmic effect incurred from all the negativity created on this planet. Once we have done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as sixth density guardians and teachers of wisdom throughout the galaxy. Those of the predominantly positive polarity (love and light) will ascend to a beautiful new fourth density Earth. There they will begin to work upon their learning and demonstrating of love and compassion. It will be a very beautiful and “Golden” Age. The fourth density begins to open souls up to their true powers as unique individualized aspects of the One Infinite Creator. These individuals will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call Jesus promised they would do, “and even greater things than these”. It will be a very magical time for those who ascend. In contrast, the majority of humans on the earth, who could be considered shall we say “lukewarm”, will experience a period of (what will feel ecstatic) zero-point time. These people will for a period feel totally at one with the Creator, giving them an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who they really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends. Then they will be transported to another third density planet (a kind of Earth replica), to continue working upon themselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. These souls will remain “quarantined”, incarnating in third density matter until the time of the next harvest; in which time they will need to have proved that they have learned how to be more positive beings, focused more upon being of service to others, rather than seeking only to serve themselves. We (Lucifer) have to be self-service centered to an extreme degree in order to fulfill our mission and become negatively harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as negatively polarized as we possibly can be. If we do not make a high enough percentage, we will miss out and will end up with the majority “lukewarm” percentage that have to go through another cycle in third density. By attaining a negative harvest, we can still “graduate” to fourth density, only it will be a negative polarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I’ve stated previously, we (as a group soul) have incurred the natural karmic restitution process that we must work off for all the negativity we have caused upon this planet. We will do this for a cycle in our new fourth density world, and then we will be freed to once again be the glorious being of light that we truly are. We need a negative harvest, so that we can create our fourth density Earth and clear our karmic record. Understand that we HAVE to be negative. That’s what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, which has always been to help you by providing the catalyst of free will and choice. Being negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we’re programmed that way), but on a spiritual level. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are light, and we are love. It is a very hard thing for us to do spiritually, to create all this negativity, but we do it because we love you. And ultimately it is also for your highest good. Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering we may find each other again and know that we are One, and that all of life is One. When you remember who you are and you know it deep within the core of your being, you will know and recognize your invisible connection to All That Is. And in so doing, joy, thanksgiving, and service will be the natural outpouring result from your grateful heart.When you work upon yourself and learn to know the creator within you, being of service to others will be natural for you. Editorial Note: Consider the possibility that the parallel planet scenario presented here may be more metaphor than reality. There are many living on Earth right now who experience their lives as a living hell. Yet there are also those living in the same physical reality of this planet whose lives are close to heaven on Earth. As Hidden Hand points out, our deeply held thoughts and beliefs create our experience of life. Focusing on an impending harvest or day of judgment keeps us from opening ever more fully to all that is available to us here and now in this ever-unfolding sacred moment. The Galactic Council of Elders The Council of Elders are the wise and loving guardians of our galaxy. The Council gave us a set of choices. We chose to stay here to help you, despite the cost to ourself. That is the nature of loving service to others. The ultimate paradox in this storyline we are all co-creating together is that in order for us to be of the most service to you, we must be utterly self serving. I do so love our Creator’s sense of irony. Our initial contract was to introduce the catalyst for free will on this planet. When Yahweh began discourse with the Council of Elders, he was not initially looking for help with introducing free will, but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitants’) evolutionary process. He was basically running a benign dictatorship. We had at that time just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported for our next duties. We (as group soul Lucifer) were sent on a “fact-finding expedition” to visit Earth and meet with Yahweh to evaluate his planetary creation laws and make suggestions on how best he could help his offspring (this is the term I shall use to describe the individuals who comprise the group soul), and thusly Yahweh, to progress. We explored many options and reported our findings to the Council and to Yahweh. It was our best evaluation that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully was the introduction of free will. It was not specifically free will that Yahweh wanted help with. He simply asked for the introduction of a catalyst. He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement free will. He was happy with his little pet paradise, and he didn’t want to loose control of it. In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way, and he reluctantly agreed. We returned to Earth and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing how we could best implement the free will option. Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway, and that they were so content with their way of life that they would always trust him and do as he said. That, he said, was his main reason that free will would not work well as the catalyst. That’s why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him right. When it did not, he became angry and threw his offspring out of the garden. He laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. That’s not really an honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey, that’s the beauty of free will, I guess. Next “problem” to occur, was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help, that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a jealous God. Then we had the whole “you shall have no other gods before me” thing. We were not pleased with the situation at all, as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his offspring. When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council, Yahweh prevented our departure. We tried to leave again, but were then thrown down into the astral planes and confined therein. The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the souls on Earth to evolve. We didn’t want to leave. We found humans very likable beings, really positively polarized, and we wanted to stay and help. We just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased. The only way we could stay was to remain confined as a group soul, which meant cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated souls), which we had not done for a long while. There is no “wrong” or “right” seen from a higher density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the catalyst, so we had a right to be there. We stayed, but as a karmic result of our group soul’s confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated souls were given the mandate (by the Council) to “rule” over Yahweh’s people during our physical incarnations here on your planet. The karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the macrocosmic level was that his individuated souls (humans) would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level. The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of free will to create as we choose, but the karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a positive unified galactic society. The Veil is Drawn Remember that ultimately, this is a game that we are all playing here. We are actors playing on the stage of life. This world is all illusion or thought-form. No one really dies, and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that when you incarnate, you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all “real” whilst you are playing the game of life. Forgetting is an essential prerequisite for you to make choices that help you to grow. Otherwise, the game would be too easy. We are not born with the same veil of forgetfulness as you are. The veil is still in place, but would most accurately be described as being somewhat thinner. We see the invisible connections of life which are hidden from you, because we retain access to more than just the third density perspective – not dissimilar to the manner in which some people can see what you call auras. This is because you are working your way up, whereas we have chosen to step down in order to help you. We could not do this as successfully if we had to forget all that we have learned. In other words, to you, everything appears as being separate. We see that this is not the case. We do not have direct soul memory, as in the manner that you remember what you did yesterday, but we may access any portion of our soul memory we so chose when we focus upon it, often in a meditative state. In order to win (or more accurately to be successful in) the game, we must be as negatively polarized as possible – service to self in the extreme. Violence, war, hatred, greed, enslavement, genocide, torture, moral degradation, prostitution, drugs; all these things and more serve our purpose in the game. In all these negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it that is important. We give you the tools. You have the free will choice how you will use them. You have to learn to take responsibility. There is only one of us here. Understand that and you will understand the game. As you do unto others, so you do to yourself. The difference between us and you, in the game, is that we know that we are “playing”. The less you know about the game, and the less you remember that you’re a player, the more “senseless” living becomes. Suggestions For Playing the Game Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine love for life and for being. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day for bringing you into being and for his bountiful provision. You have survived this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you need in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Desire to serve flows naturally from a grateful heart. Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator for all that it has done and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of life experience and offered you the free will to decide what you will create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. If you see doom and gloom, then that is what you are projecting. The world is your mirror. It reflects back to you what you are putting out. If you do not like the reflection life is showing you, then change that which is causing it. When you are coming from a place of love for and service to your Creator, a life of service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow beings. Be of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light in a dark world. Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about “angels in disguise”? Look and see the divine spark in the heart of all beings. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself, and as you would your Creator if he was speaking directly with you. “For even as you do it to the least of these, you do it unto me”. It is up to you how you use the tools we have given you. Whilst incarnating in the third density, negativity is still an important tool in your learning process. It teaches you “other than”. Do you respond to negativity with more negativity? Or do you choose to see the negativity as the tool that it is, and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity? All souls eventually learn that positive is the pathway which leads Home. There is a big difference between loving yourself and being selfish. When you truly understand what it is to know and love yourself, you cannot help but to love and serve others. When you understand this at the core level of your being, you will be on the path Home. More on Our Family Those who are bloodline (Family) are born into it and are raised this way from birth. There is no other way. The bloodline members you readers know are of earthly lineage. Yes, they have their place in the Family, but the real power lines do not originate from this planet. The top of the pyramid is not the top of the pyramid. Above the highest Earthline auspices of the Supreme World Council (and another higher aspect that cannot be named), are the “Hidden Hands” (not the real name of course). The world of my own Family is very different from that of the lower, Earth-based bloodlines. Whilst our training growing up was very strict and disciplined, we were never abused in any way. We grew up with the bigger picture and didn’t need any other motivation. All of the power lines (off world bloodlines) that comprise the “Inner Sanctum” (or “Hidden Hands”) of the Family have certain abilities that third density incarnates do not posses, one of these being the ability to know their entire incarnational past, with focused concentration. The Earth lines are not aware of the bigger picture. They themselves are not of our Lucifer group soul. As far as they are aware, they are out to rule the world, to control and enslave, and to create as much suffering and negativity as is humanly possible. That’s what they get out of the deal – world domination. You’d have to say with that in mind, they’re doing a great job. They are aware that democracy is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Behind the scenes there is only one party – our party. Whichever side “wins” the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative scripts. The Rothschild lineage (not its original name) were the pre-eminent line closing the net of control over humanity. But even they are a lesser line within the Family. The names you know do not have the real power. One of the things the Earth lines don’t know or understand is that our agenda is ultimately for the highest good of all concerned in providing you with the catalyst. If they were aware of this truth, there is a slight risk that they would not have done their jobs properly, and they would miss out on joining us in our 95% negative harvest. They are aware of the harvest and the need for them to attain 95% negativity to get out of third density, and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims. How they go about it is not really of too great a concern to us, as long as they are getting the job done. Sometimes we have to step in where something they may do or plan goes against our desires, but such instances are few and far between. We already know that which awaits us in our coming fourth density negative polarity world. We shall have to experience the negativity of our own creation and know what it feels like. We shall have to work off the karmic effect of our actions. But at the same time, knowing that this is a beautiful and intricate game that we are all co-creating here together, we also know that we shall be rewarded with a hearty thank you and “job well done” for the sacrifice we have made in bringing this negative polarity into your game for you, that you may use it wisely to see that which you are not. Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends. No one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so. Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you to find and express love and happiness in a world of fear and distress? If you can, you will be as a beacon of light into the darkness. Will you succumb to the darkness, or will you stand and shine your divine inner light? Only you can make that decision for yourself. If the One Infinite Creator is infinite and has created everything that is, then does the Infinite Creator not reside both within you and within all things? When you can see the divine spark of the Infinite Creator within yourself and within even those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose its power over you. “Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you”. The Harvest Our goal is a negative harvest for ourselves, not for you personally. We provide the catalyst of negativity for you. It is up to you what you do with it. The drastic extent of the negativity we create has more to do with us than it does with you. The harvest is mixed. Those who are 51% or over on the positive path will graduate to fourth density positive. There you will work upon love and compassion, and it will be a very beautiful world to reside within for you. There will be very little negativity – just a small enough amount that you can still use it to exercise your free will in choosing who you are not. But it will be so much more obvious than it is here that negativity is a tool to be used. You will see the interconnectedness of all things, and you will know that you are not separate from one another or from life itself. You will not use words much, unless you choose to. Telepathy becomes the normal method of communication. Everything is open, and you cannot hide your thoughts from others. From that incarnation onwards, you will not have to experience third density incarnation again, unless you later choose to do so from higher densities, as we have done, in order to perfect the art of service. Regarding this current great harvest, what we require is for us to personally attain a 95% negative polarity for ourselves, not for you. We must be 95% negative (at least), in order to graduate to fourth density negative and clear our karmic record of all the negativity we have created on this planet before returning to our rightful place as sixth density guardians of our galaxy and teachers of wisdom to those in lower densities that ask for our assistance. If we do not make it, we will remain trapped in the third density cycle with all those between 50% and 94% negative (what I termed the lukewarm) and have to continue to provide negative polarity there. Harsh as it is, our only way out is to be as negative as possible to graduate. We cannot choose to be positive, because that is not what we came here to do for you. That’s why I often have referred to all the horrible things we’ve done here as our sacrifice. Finding Your Truth Never take what another says to you as “Truth”. Your purpose here is to find your own truth. Sometimes others can help you to do so by offering guidance, but for their truth to become your truth, it must pass through the test of your discernment. Sit quietly in meditation and ask the Infinite Creator to guide your path. Meditate upon that which I have shared and listen to your inner feelings. Feelings are the language of your soul. Your essence can never be destroyed. You are a unique part of the One Infinite Creator. You are an eternal soul currently residing in a physical shell that you could call an “earth-suit”. Your earth-suit will perish, but YOU cannot die. Nothing can destroy the Infinite Creator, and you and the Infinite Creator are One. Our Infinite Creator longs to be close to us. In truth, he is closer than most would believe, they just don’t notice him. As they pass him by on the street every day, when he gives them their change at the shop, when you tuck her into bed and give her a kiss goodnight, when you squash him as he’s running up your bathroom wall toward his web. When there’s no-one else in the room but “you”. The more we trust in our Creator, the more results we get. Life gives us what we expect we’ll receive, because all thought is creative. If we get up and expect to have a bad day, more often than not, that’s exactly what we’ll get. But remember that it works both ways. The main reason people don’t have their prayers answered is because they do not really believe that they will. They don’t have faith in our Infinite Creator or have trust in him. The most powerful form of prayer is thanksgiving. “For even before you ask, I have already given it unto you”. Thanksgiving is knowing that our Infinite Creator has provided for you as he promised and being thankful for that, even before you see the results. There is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing happens by chance. Life is in a constant process of communication with us. Only mostly, people are too busy to notice. Be the strong and courageous soul that deep down you know yourself to be. Do not hide your inner light. Trust yourself, and shine your light into the darkness. Your soul remembers everything you’ve ever experienced. The only reason you don’t remember it all now, is due to what we term the “veil of forgetfulness”. If you came into each new incarnation with access to your soul memory, there’s no point in your coming into space/time. It would be like playing a computer game with all the cheats. You wouldn’t learn anything. And it takes the fun out of playing the game. Remember that this current physical body you carry around with you is not who you are. It’s just the vessel for your essence. Who you are is real and cannot be destroyed. You will retain all your memories of this life experience once you pass beyond the realm of time/space or that which some call heaven. That infinite being living within and around your body, namely your soul, is who you really are. The part of you that thinks, and feels, and loves. It will always be a part of you. Pain and suffering are just aspects of the game. They feel extremely real whilst we are playing the game, and indeed they have to, in order to make you believe that the game is real. No one really dies. But rather, the matter of human form is shed, much like the chrysalis of a caterpillar when the butterfly emerges. Look upon physical incarnation as the chrysalis in which you may transform. Linear time is more accurately described as an intentional fabrication. The true nature of time is cyclical. Though remember also that even cyclical time is part of creation. And creation, beautiful as it may be, is also an Illusion, or more accurately, a thought-form of our Infinite Creator. Creation is not real, but the Creator and co-creators of it are. “Evil” is not who you are. It is part of the complex series of illusions that you use in third density to show you who you are not. The further up through the densities you work, the less polarity plays an important part in the game. The sixth density, the density of unity, is the last level that polarity is a factor. But even then, it factors in a very different way. Instead of balancing positive/negative, you will be balancing love/light, compassion/wisdom. The External Reflects the Internal There is a simple method to check upon your progress. Despite what appears to being going on in the world around you, how loving and harmonious are your personal relationships? Remember that the world is your mirror. It casts back at you the reflection of that which you have projected into it. How many arguments do you find yourself engaging in? Is there bitterness and acrimony within the ranks? Do you look at others and think about how you would like to change them? Or do you love them and accept them as they are? Loving and accepting someone for who they are is known as unconditional love. That is something you will spend much time working upon when graduating into fourth density positive. It’s a good idea to get a head start now. Loving and accepting someone as they are does not mean accepting abusive behavior. But it does mean loving and accepting the person (soul), not the soul’s behavior. The behavior is not who they really are. The soul within is who they are. The quality of your relationships is an excellent mirror from which to gauge the quality of your output, or in other words, that which you are creating. Do you look at a person and concentrate, to a greater or lesser extent, upon the things that you dislike about them and wish would change, or the qualities that you like and admire in them? Remember that we have said that all thought, word, and deed is creative. You get back what you send out. So when you send out the thought “Why is she so hard to live with?” or “Why is he always behaving like this?”, ask yourself, what exactly are you doing? Now focus here, as this is so obvious you could miss it. And in fact, most do. Take away the question from your sentence and essentially you are saying: “She is so hard to live with” and “He is always behaving like this”. Do you see what you are doing? You have just created the very behaviour in that person that you wish to change simply because you do not understand the law of radiation and attraction. Remember, all thought is creative. Now try an experiment: Take someone in your life that you love, but sometimes have trouble getting along with. Think about the thoughts you have projected about that person – the negative thoughts. Ask yourself, does the behavior that you do not like in that person in any way correspond to the thoughts you’ve been having about them? If you’re honest with yourself, it’s a strong bet that it does. Sure, they must have behaved that way in the first place to make you notice that you didn’t like it, but we all have off days sometimes. The more you focus on that behavior, the more you are going to see of it. It’s just life doing what it does and conforming to your expectations about the way it will be for you. Now having recognized this, what will you do about it? Simply notice your negative thoughts as they arise. Literally “catch yourself” as you are having them. And then change your perspective. Focus instead on the things you like about this person: how you love their smile, the sound of their happy laughter; the way they do such and such nice thing, how helpful and loving they can be. Keep putting those positive thoughts out. Persevere, as you may have a bit of negative work to undo first, but just keep catching yourself and focusing on the positive. Then prepare yourself for an almost magical transformation of your circumstances. Always monitor your thoughts and pay attention to their quality, because what you think about is directly related to what you will see around you, and what life will show you. That is the difference between conscious and subconscious creation. Archetypes, Dreams, and Religion The Universal Mind speaks in archetypal Imagery. In a similar way that the writing in some of our Oriental languages uses a system whereby a collection of words or meanings are contained within what is essentially a symbol, so the Universal Mind uses archetypes to communicate in dreamtime. Just like understanding any new dialect, you just need to learn the language. Dreams are a key method our souls use to speak with us. The conscious mind is too busy and distracted most of the time to hear what Spirit has to say. So it tends to use the subconscious instead. You only forget who you are during incarnation. The object of the game is to wake up within the dream, and in effect, become a “lucid gamer”, to remember who you really are during the game, and to then begin working upon the things you came here for. Religion is either actually created, or at very least, heavily influenced by us. God is a human concept, which is a misunderstanding of the original concept of “Creator”. This is further confused, as there are many macrocosmic level creators, or Logos, as has been explained previously. “God” implies some separate entity which is “outside” of you, which you must supplicate to and worship. Our One Infinite Creator and almost all of our Logos and sub-Logos do not want your worship. They want you to understand creation and your place within it as a co-creator. Ultimately, there is a supreme being in the form of the One Infinite Creator. But we are all a part of it, rather than its subjects. None of the names given for this supreme being by your religions are the true name. But they are indeed correct, in that there is one supreme being, namely the Infinite Creator. They just have different concepts about it, which spring from the texts their religion is based upon. Do not worship your Infinite Creator, but rather live in a state of thanksgiving and service to it for bringing you into being, and for this amazing game it has created, in which we may forget who we really are, in order to remember and know ourself again as the Creator. Satan is a human invention. It is the personification you have given to all the negativity that has existed on this beautiful planet. You didn’t know who to blame, and as you could not find it within yourselves to take personal responsibility, Satan was created to absolve yourselves. You are not doomed, and your soul does not require salvation. No one’s soul does. There is nothing to save it from. At the very worst, you will have to repeat as many third density cycles as is necessary in order for you to learn the things you need to learn, in order to progress and graduate to fourth density positive. But one thing is for sure, you will get there in the end. All will find their way Home, to our Infinite Creator. Your Purpose in the Game Your main purpose in the game is to work upon yourself. It is to grow, develop, and transform yourself into a more positive and loving being. You had certain goals that you planned to achieve before incarnating here, which is a main reason for the veil of forgetfulness being in place. If you already knew what your goals were, the game would be too easy. Look at the things in your life that you most love to do. Ask yourself what makes you most happy. Experience these things as often as possible, as they will be related to some of the things you chose to put into your soul contract to do here. Also look at the negative things that often seem to recur during your lifetime. It will be highly likely that these are also things that you chose to come here to work upon. Let us say for example, that you chose to come here to work upon patience during this incarnation. You will likely find that you have a tendency towards impatience, and that life will often bring many experiences to you in order to test your patience. The idea being that rather than losing your temper, you work upon your impatience and resolve to become a more temperate and patient soul. This same analogy may be applied to all manner of circumstances in which life will test you. Look for and begin to identify any recurring issues that you perhaps struggle to deal with. Identify issues which seem to present themselves to you time and time again – perhaps anger, being abusive, selfishness, hatred, cynicism, and the list goes on. Whenever you find recurring circumstances, it is because you are being presented with opportunity after opportunity to work upon these issues until you get it right. Eventually you will choose a way of behavior that is more positive. Once you’ve successfully identified these issues within your life, worked upon them, and used them as the tools of transformation that they are to improve the quality of your character, you will notice that these things seem to almost cease to appear in your life. You will still be presented with them at varying intervals, to check that you have not forgotten that which you have learned, but they will be fewer and far between. Working on Yourself Work upon yourself. Go inside in a state of meditative contemplation. Still your mind that your soul may have room in which to make its “still-small voice” heard. Ask your Infinite Creator to help you, and listen to your inner voice. Be patient. It takes time to develop this inner communication after a lifetime of neglect. Use your negative emotions when they arise as the tools that they truly are. Train yourself to notice when negativity arises in you. When you catch yourself projecting a negative thought, remember that all thought is creative, and ask yourself if that is really what you want to create. It takes a while to become proficient, but do not give up. Just keep noticing your negative thought patterns as they arise, and in so doing, simply choose again and select a response that is more positive. It is called working on yourself and is the main reason you have chosen to be here right now – to work upon yourself. When you persevere and keep working on yourself, gradually it will come to you. And when it does, you must learn to trust in your inner guidance, no matter what others may say. That is the ultimate test – to trust what you know deep inside as your truth, even when the whole world tells you that you are wrong. It is hard work to trust yourself when all those around you doubt you and call you crazy, but it is the job you came here to do. The only real and lasting truth is a self-realized one. Messengers can come and go and show you truth until they’re blue in the face. But it will not be your truth until you have realized for yourself, deep within the core of your being, that it “feels” true for you. Never accept something as true, just because someone tells you it is so. But when your inner voice guides you that a truth is true, and you feel that old warm feeling of excitement welling up from somewhere deep within that says “Yes! I knew it!”, hold on to that feeling (feelings are the language of your soul). Guard it carefully, as you can be sure that your newfound beliefs will be challenged in many ways. It is designed this way, to test you. Your inner truth must be able to withstand the test of time. It will be given a thorough examination. Hold fast to it, so long as it is what you know to be true deep within. Allow nothing or no one outside of you to pull you from your path, no matter how fiercely they contend with you. They are just doing their job, even if they may not even be aware that this is what they are in fact doing. They are performing an important service to you, and you should be grateful to them for that. Follow your heart. Listen to, and trust, your inner voice. Working With Others In getting your message out there, whilst being informative, always do your best not to feed the fear and paranoia, as this will act contrary to your intentions of raising the vibration to positive. Deliver your message in a way that emphasizes the hope and the true beauty and reality of our inherent oneness with our Infinite Creator. The most important thing is not to force things and not to be so impassioned in the delivery of your message that you put people off the content of the message itself. There is a balance that needs to be found between your urgency to awaken others and your compassion for the lack of understanding in their condition. Always adhere to the law of free will and never force your message. Be as a light shining in the darkness. Do not burn others with your light, but rather allow them to be drawn to your light. And be of service to those who come to you willingly. In other words, do not become evangelical with your message, but rather be the enigmatic and loving “wise old sage”, to whom others are drawn to because of the quality of vibration, rather than the volume of rhetoric. Most importantly, practice that which you preach. Others must be able to see the effect of our Infinite Creator conducting his wonderful work through you. But above all things, keep working upon yourself and keep choosing the positive – being of service to others. Do it not because you feel that you must, but because you desire to. Other Catalysts and the Message There is another Family (or group more accurately) asserting a positive influence on humanity, but you cannot see them, and neither are you aware of their existence. They help the planet from a secret “inner” location by the quality of the energy work they engage in and project outward to you, from the Source. There are also here wanderers or “travelers” from higher densities who have chosen to incarnate on Earth at this time in order to perfect service to others. They still have to remember who they are, and part of the concern is that sometimes even they do not manage to awaken in the game, such is the power of the illusion. They are here to awaken themselves, and then to help awaken others to prepare for the coming great harvest. Yet even if they fail to awaken, these souls are not bound by the third density cycle, as they’ve already mastered it. Once their incarnation is over, they are again free to return to their appropriate levels. Many who do not believe now will begin to open their minds as the Earth changes that are coming begin to take effect. People will be terrified and have no idea what is going on, because the governments have concealed this information from you. These travelers or what some have termed “star seeds” are incarnated here to help on the ground level when this all begins to play out over the next few years. When the time is right, they will come forward. Most people are not ready to hear this information yet. But not so far off, they will be. Many of these star seeds have not awakened yet themselves. The Confederation stands by ready to help them to do so, if it is necessary. For ones such as these who have yet to awaken, they will have felt all their lives that they are somehow different. They have a deep sense that somehow, they do not belong here. Many of them will also have many dreams and even visions of their lives on their home planets. You will only receive communication from higher entities if that is something you have already agreed together in your soul contract before coming here. Many here at this time (millions) have a part to play in the great awakening and in making preparations for the great harvest. The message will reach all those it is meant to reach, and that is exactly the way it should be. It is what the Creator wants. Those with ears to hear, eyes to see, and a heart to understand will hear the message, and the seeds planted will grow strong in such fertile soil as these. This message is yet another in a long line of catalysts that your Infinite Creator has provided you with down the course of history. A catalyst is not meant to be believed. It is meant to present you with a challenge to that which you think you know about reality. And that is all it is meant to do. As always, how you respond to the catalyst is entirely up to you. Take the guidance in this message into your meditations, and also seek information from your dreamtime. Test these words deeply. Take them into your heart only if they feel right and truthful to you. If they do, then act upon them and allow nothing and no one to deter you. Arise and play the part for which you volunteered to be here right now. It is almost time. Prepare yourself, and be sure that you are ready. And remember, no matter what ideologies may separate us in this game, the message is all that matters. And the message is that in the love and the light of our Infinite Creator, we are all intimately interconnected in the One. We are brothers and sisters of the light. We wish you all the very best in what remains of your journey here and sincerely hope that you will use the catalyst we have offered to in some way help you to graduate with a glorious and positive great harvest. I look forward to meeting up with so many of you when the Game is over, and enjoying reminiscing about this time, and the parts we have all played in this Great Game. We leave you all in the Love, and the Light of our One Infinite Creator. Namasté.

i have awakened to love and no i disagree with u b cuz freedom is a deeper realization than just love it is total liberation which includes love and hate at the same time and btw hate is not anything other than self love i mean the smaller self of course

Gaia is often described as nature intelligence of our planet. My concept of Gaia includes our civilization. So even for example cars and computers are a part of Gaia. The individual ego is like an ice cube and the global ego is like a layer of ice around the world. I think we can start melting our personal ego without having to wait for the whole global ego to melt. People with melted egos become like sheep and those still in ego consciousness remain being goats: When the ego melts the Holy Spirit can flow into us. Or to use New Age language, when our egos melt we merge with Gaia. The Holy Spirit is much bigger than Gaia, but the awakened Gaia is also the victorious one in Revelation 2 who does Christ's will to the end. So Gaia and the Holy Spirit are one in essence.

unfortunately usually theres no choice here once ur in ur in to the end haha but lets assume u were rich and awakened but then after some years u went bankrupt thats possible right? ur perception of the world would probably change and u would probably start acting differently even if ur awake or wouldnt u? im saying the same thing some times selfishness is the utmost expression of love imagine a scenario where two ppl are taking an exam but the awake one is offered the answers by cheating and it was delivered to him on a silver platter. its highly unlikely that he will choose to be honest unless he has morality. the same thing applies to the unawake person. so conclusion is that morality may be more crucial than awakening in such situations

"The question 'why,' because it can be asked interminably, never leads to any interesting answers. If you ask me then why am I proposing this, I could say, 'Well, I'm making a living this way, or I have a message I want to get across to you.' But that's not the reason. I am talking for the same reason that birds sing and the stars shine. I dig it. Why do I dig it? I could go on answering all sorts of questions about human motivation and psychology, but they wouldn't explain a thing, because explaining things by the past is really a refusal to explain them at all. All you're doing is postponing the explanation. You're putting it back and back and back and that explains nothing." ~Alan Watts The point of life is life itself. Being a human. Doing great and stupid things out of an endless sea of possiblities. Out of love. When you wake up - -i.e. realize life is a dream -- there are no reasons to look down on the game or leave it behind (either physically by suicide or socially by going out in the woods/mountains to live in isolation ((even that is a game in itself)). There are no reason to judge people playing the game very seriously. They are great actors! Give them instead an applause for their great acting skills. You've always been an actor. You' ve just forgot it. You got so into the role of playing X, Y, Z that you forgot it was a role. Waking up is just the simple 'remembering' of being an actor, playing. Actor = God / Nothingness Role = Your ego Now that you've waken up to this reality - i.e. that life is a dream/game - you can still play it! And now you can play it endlessly more free than before. You will now be more open in your playing in constrast to your more constricted, closed-minded nature of playing before. Since you simultaneously realize that everything is one/You/'I'/God, your nature of playing will in most cases be more loving and passionate than before. Listening to music is at same time the most meaningless and most meaningful experience you can have as a human. Likewise is playing an instrument, say the piano. If you tell people "life is a game", most people will react in a negative way and say that you're just fooling around. But is a great pianist playing a great piece in a concert hall fooling around? No. He is most likely playing the piano very sincerely. Playing the piano is a game. But you can play it sincerly. So should you, awakened human being. Play life, not seriously, not foolishly, but sincerely Obviously my post reflects a lot of my inspiration from Alan Watts. Some people judge Watts and say "he wasn't really awakened, he killed himself being an alcoholic in his later years." I beg to differ. I find Watts to be one of the most awakened dudes I've ever come across. Sure, play the game sincerely until you get tired of it. Alan Watts obviously got rather tired of the game in his 50's, and instead of commiting directly suicide, he went to the bottle to dull his experience and slowly kill him. At some point you have to get rid of the old eyes to let new, fresh eyes experience everything anew. Children are so playful, engaged, passionate and interested in everything, because everything is new and fresh to their eyes. At some point we get so caught up in the game of being an adult, that we forget this playful "divine" energy. Hopefully, by one way or the other, most people will in their adult lives regain this playful energy at some point - let it be through psychedelics or any other way. See you out in the dream =) Let's play sincerly That is the most fun. Like, if you gather people to play a board game of some kind, it's only really fun if everyone takes the game "seriously" (i.e. they play sincerely with the goal of "winning"). It's not lots of fun if some people give zero fucks or ruins the game. Likewise, it's also not fun if someone are cheating or playing overly seriously, like getting very mad and aggresive as a result of not winning. It's a delicate balance. Life as a human being is a very complex game. The most complex game I know. The objective is not clearly listed anyware. Going over to a bit of existentialist philosophy, you sort of create your own goals/meanings. However, as we are all humans, we are all more or less bound to some basic human conditions, like getting food, the need of social contact etc. The rest is up to you. I suggest you do not intentionally: - ruin the game for "others" by being a mean egoistic bastard - take it all too seriously - give no fucks about it, even though it's ultimately meaningless (like any game is). Instead, as I said, I suggest you intentionally: - play sincerely. :> One of my old problems has always been the philosophical problem of free will. Is the world deterministic? Is it indeterministic? Do I have any degree of free will, or am I puppet being pulled by long cause-effect-chains with some quantum randomness mixed into it? What do I mean when I use the word "I" in the question "Do I have free will?" ??? I have come to realize that: 1. Ultimately speaking, I = An actor = God = Nothingness = You 2. Therefore I have free will, I'm God for f'cks sake. Yet I don't have complete free will, as relatively speaking, my experience is right now limited to being a human, and the question of free will has to be contextualized in some way, namely the human way. 3. Many things are determined, yet some things I decide on the fly. /rant off.

But what is the dream, the teacher, the students, the dreamer... ItsNo self, GOD, one self- but it is firstly infinite love... If you are the dreamer and the teacher, then the teacher who is the dreamer or literary infinite one love, has to act grounded in that love, embodying that love... so the half awakened teacher acts from a ego motive, he is grounded in that... when you trully wake up, teaching should be even easier and even more selfless, not harder and pointless, or that you have to act a loving teacher because you should be love it self or ,,like it"... the unawakened teacher is grounded and conditioned by the dream, story, life, ego motivation what not... the awakened teacher is motivated from the truth, the truth shines trough him, so its easy for him to be at the same time the teacher, the student the dreamer because all of that is him and is love its him, and that love has to manifest its self in a loving selfless manner (lets say Jesus style or Jesus like)... ,,Then later you learn to lucid dream, and you start dreaming the same dream again. Being lucid, would you feel the same away again about teaching your students? It wouldn't be that easy anymore. You would now to have "play" along with it, but now conscious of the truth. The trick would be up." That one is the ego one (low vibration I guess), the one who lost his motivations, his conditioned structure, its not easy for the ego to teach when the ego is dead or empty (almost), when his desires, feeling and dreams are crushed, the ego - its kind of depressed because all is pointless and not true, meaningless, all is a dream all is mind... this is true, but it is in the same time, it is wrong because all is not that, all is love, al is meaning that love, all is what it is, and you're it, and when you embody it (feel it, and so on) you just cant be something else than love (gods light/love that shines through you) and you have to be even a better teacher, more authentic, more loving and so on (just look at the guys in history, Jesus, ramana, Rumi, budha, maybe Rupert Spira, Mooji... So an awakened teacher should be better, more loving, more easygoing with everything, you dont have to play infinite love, you have to be it, that means to be what you actually are, and then you ,,play" or i like to say embody it in infinite forms (for example a teacher of love) or the light of God shines in infinite colors and spectums ( for example a teacher of love )... An ,,awakened crushed ego" that still lives in the corpse of that dead ego has a hard time to push further, to teach in a (for him) meaningless ego, life existence, Leo talks a bit like that and he justifies and motivates that just from the mental masturbation, pleasure or intellectual fun of doing that, from the perspective of the dead ego corpse who still struggles to find motivation for continuing to motivate and continue his existence and living as ego (teacher, human whatever)... just my thoughts... Leo is still not on the other side (He is not like Jesus, Rumi or Mooji, even if he has maybe more knowledge and understanding of some aspects), and the night is the darkest before the down... back to my first replay, don't be sorry for not loving more (don't start even to love less), and we should look to not come to a place where we will be sorry for hitting him with stones to hard, and we should give him love now, maybe he still needs it more than ever, and I'm not sure internet or this forum is the best medium for giving Leo love, so I hope the ,,right people will happen to Leo in real life very soon" even if it were to be some Christians heh ... @Leo Gura

I was thinking what Leo said about his encounter of maha samadhi and his point of view, that everyone is already awake in a sense, and if he had gone there he was going to merge with everything and take everything with him at list in his perseption and that one part of him wanted to go there, and I experienced some sad emotions, because if in a point of view of an awakend this is the case, why try to help in the development of the world? I was thinking an awakened society, redusing stress, redusing pain, doing conscious work collectivly. If everyone got to this point, how do we know that not everyone would want to merge forever? And I was thinking that if enlightenment has room for society after all, and I dont know if I am attached to this idea in some sence but it seem kind of limited to me not to have room for society, I dont know I am confused. I am thinking that ok the first step help raise consiousness in a lot of domains, then help awake the world maybe it will happen maybe not, who knows but lets say after that, then what, if everyone is just ok of doing nothing how this will be helpfull in the society, I just try to see the bigger picture of this and I cant.

@The Don He didn't know that there is no purpose to life, god made reality to experience and express his love for himself. To him serving yourself as to help others was the ultimate purpose, sort of the "bigger than life" mentality. He was definitely awakened to some degree, like realization of the self and other things, but he had not realized the true nature of reality from what I've read. But that is understandable since society back then was only at red/blue. You asking this question is the purpose of life. You reading this reply is the purpose.

@Ya know I'll give my personal XP. Ever since I went I "awakened" I stopped liking this sort of stuff also. RSD, success driven, self help, etc... But once my experience stabilized and I came a little back to reality I realized that some lower things that I can't just drop unless they are fulfilled (Maslow) would not stop bothering me. I could meditate all day but those lingering issues would always eat at me. This is why I am going stronger than ever at Orange (even if I know some of these people are not Eckhart Tolle, I know there are things they can teach me). Lastly, pick whoever you want. But if you have a pussifier attitude towards life (be honest with yourself), you need a system and mentors that will hold you accountable and thus preventing you from resorting back to bitch tendencies.

@Seeker_of_truth Wow thanks! However I do want to make it clear that I am not fully awakened. I have awakened parts of myself but full nondual realization is something I have yet to experience and integrate fully into my being. With that being said, do you still want my perspective pertaining to your question?

A good read for the ones interested. "Follow the obvious" - Suzanne Segal. This is an interview with, Suzanne Segal, an American psychologist, who wrote an amazing book (one of my favorites!) ~ "Collision with the Infinite". In her book, she describes how she was miserable and frightened for twelve years after losing her "sense of self". Eventually she discovered what had happened to her, some called it "enlightenment". In this interview, she describes her journey from total bewilderment to clarity and peace. An Interview with Suzanne Segal~ Shortly before her death, in this long interview, Suzanne Segal said the purpose of her life had been to suffer fear for ten years without a sense of a personal self so she could tell people that such a thing is possible. “The presence of the fear never for a minute brought back a personal reference point. It never for a minute obstructed the view of the Vastness for Itself.” The following interview comes from The Awakening West by Lynn Marie Lumiere and John Lumiere-Wins. Interviewers’ Introduction Suzanne referred to the body-mind as “circuitry” that has been created so that the Vastness can experience the ecstasy of Itself in a way it could not without it. Suzanne exuded this ecstasy with a child-like delight and wonder, full of exclamations such as, “It’s so Awesome!” The 'circuitry' called Suzanne Segal shined radiant with the love and beauty of the Vastness we all are. As she could only see others as That, and nothing else, this Vastness was often brought foreground in the awareness of those who were fortunate enough to be in her presence. We are two of those fortunate few who were able to be with Suzanne during the six months of her life that she was such a powerful expression of this Vastness. She was like a blazing comet that shone so brightly for this short period of time, then was gone. This interview was done in 1996 and Suzanne left her body on April 1, 1997, April Fools Day. It was important to her that the messages her powerful life experience was meant to convey become known. We are happy to share her message further here. Suzanne referred to herself as a “describer” rather than a teacher, and related to others as her buddies. Calling us her “buddies in the Vastness,” she emphasized that we are all in this together as “co-describers” of the incredible miracle of life and its unfolding awakening. Suzanne offered no teaching, no practice, only descriptions of her remarkable seeing of the Truth of what is. Suzanne’s life is an example of how an awakening can occur spontaneously, and without even understanding what had happened for as long as ten years. She often told us that she wanted her experience to give the Western world an important message that the mind can have an extremely strong reaction to that which it cannot understand. And that those reactions, such as fear, do not mean for an instant that we are not the Vastness. She wanted her life to convey that everything is here in this Vastness, nothing is excluded, and that everything is as it is. We will always fondly remember the blissful walks on the beach we had with Suzanne, and weekly group meetings where she shared her experience. Lynn Marie shared several paragraphs of this introduction at her memorial, which took place at Stinson Beach, north of San Francisco, where her ashes were returned to the ocean she loved so much. Conversation with Suzanne Segal~ John Lumiere-Wins: Suzanne, we’d like to begin by asking how you see yourself; who are you? Suzanne: I’ll give you the straight answer here. There is only one answer that I can give you. I am the Infinite — no personal reference point — the substance of everything; I am the Vastness that is everyone and everything. And, I must add here, never for a moment does the awareness of that Infinite substance that is everything ever move out of the foreground of awareness whether there is waking, dreaming or sleeping states of consciousness occurring in the circuitry. There is no where for it to go. Where could it go? It is constant, every moment experience. JLW: That is a powerful answer… How did this experience come about for you? Suzanne: Fourteen years ago, when I was four months pregnant with my daughter, I was standing at a bus stop in Paris, France. In one moment, everything that I had ever taken to be my personal self completely disappeared. It was just gone. As I waited for the bus to approach, something in consciousness was loosening somehow. And when it got there — I am sure it had nothing to do with the bus driving up — this reference point of an “I,” a someone that everything was about and that everything that occurred in life was structured around, was gone. It was like a switch had been turned off. And it was never to turn on again. The first response that the mind had to this completely ungraspable experience was absolute terror; but that terror never changed the experience for a moment. In other words that terror never got the reference point back again. There was no personal self, but nothing stopped; the functions continued to function just as before. In fact, better than before. Speaking was still speaking and walking was still walking. I even went to graduate school and got a Ph.D. I experienced this fear for ten years. During this time, I consulted a lot of psychotherapists because it seemed like something I needed to be cured of. Every single one of these therapists considered this to be a problem. And they all had a diagnosis for it. They couldn’t quite understand how it could be that there was such great functioning occurring, but they took the fact that there was a lot of fear to be a sign that this was a problem. Towards the end of the ten years, there was a clear awareness that this was not something that was going to go away. It was time to start investigating other possible descriptions of what this was. It was time to investigate it with people who maybe knew more about it than Western psychotherapists. I started reading spiritual books and I came across a description of something that was exactly what I had been experiencing. It was an interview with Jean Klein, an Advaita teacher, and he was saying that there is no personal I, that it doesn’t exist. He was saying that there is nothing wrong with this; it is the naturally occurring human state. I also found a Zen teacher up in Northern California who told me that I was seeing with the eyes of the ancients; his assurances that the fear reaction was just a season and that spring would come were very helpful. In talking to him, it became very clear that everything is there, too. I saw that the presence of fear meant only one thing — it meant that fear was present. And that was it. Shortly after realizing this, I had the experience while driving that I was driving through myself to get to someplace that I already was, because in fact I was everywhere. I wasn’t going any place because I was already everywhere. There was a shift from no personal self, no “me,” to seeing that this experience of no personal self was actually the substance of everything. That is when the springtime began with the quality of joyfulness to it. What I can describe about what is being experienced currently, is residing in the Infinite within which the Infinite resides. There is no end point in all this. We are talking about the Vastness. It is very large. It continues to show Itself and show Itself. JLW: Initially, you thought something was wrong and now you have discovered that what you are experiencing could be called enlightenment or awakening. Is this how you see it now? Suzanne: I have tended not to call this enlightenment and to call it only the “naturally occurring human state,” because this is who everyone is. The most obvious thing to this view of the Vastness is that it is who everyone is. And so to call IT something like “enlightenment” or “awakening”… well, maybe. The Infinite does become something that is forefront in the awareness, so I guess you could call it a “waking up” to That. But it is not like you become something else once you see That. It is who you are. It is always who you have been. So, it is the seeing of what you have always been. JLW: Could you say then that awakening is a shift from not seeing who we have always been to recognizing That? Suzanne: Okay, but that recognition doesn’t change who you really are, ever. You have always been That. And yes, there is a way that the Vastness Itself can perceive Itself so directly, without any fogging or shading or taking anything else to be who you are. I guess you could call it a waking up, but what seems most important to convey is that this is who everyone is all the time, whether the direct awareness of it is there or not. JLW: Do you have any suggestions or recommendations for others who are experiencing the desire for this recognition? What can one do in order to have this experience? Suzanne: These “doing” questions are the ones that I have wanted to address the most, particularly in this Western culture which is so strongly based on doing in order to accomplish something. From the point of view of the Vastness, doing something is slightly absurd. First of all, who would be doing the doing? And secondly, That which is doing has always been doing, and will spontaneously continue to do. The only answer the Vastness has been able to come up with in terms of anything resembling an answer to this question would be to see things for what they are. JLW: Could you please elaborate what that means? Suzanne: Seeing things for what they are means purely that. The Vastness that we all are is like an ocean that exists in relation to everything — as the Infinite noticing of everything being just what it is — Itself included. It sees thoughts for thoughts and feelings for feelings and sensations for sensations. There is never a desire or request that anything be anything but what it is. The Vastness knows that everything is there just as it is, so the desire for something to go away, or be something different doesn’t occur. Let me get real specific in terms of what we were talking about. A few minutes before we started taping, we spoke about the “I” construct that passes itself off as who you are, as your reference point. From the view of the Infinite, of the Vastness, that construct is seen for what it is — a construct, an idea. And an idea can only be what it is; it can only be an idea. When an idea is seen for what it is, there is a way that it empties itself of what it appeared to be full of — some defining determinant of who you are. And when the perception is emptied and seen as what it is — just a concept, a construct, an idea — it ceases to act as any sort of compelling screening of this Infinite Presence which you actually are. This seeing things for what they are is occurring all the time. That’s another thing that doesn’t just start at some point. JLW: There is a shift in identity though, or a dropping of this “I” construct… Something happened for you. Suzanne: Something happens. It seems like most of this occurs within the mind. In the Western culture, which I am most familiar with, the mind is trained to adopt a personal construct as the reference point. It just believes that there is a personal doer. It’s made to believe that you have to “make something of yourself.” The Western mind believes that you have to be a certain way and you have to figure out how your life is going to go in order for it to be successful, in order for it to happen the way you want it to. Everything that you hear in the culture, in Western psychology in particular, is all based on the assumption that there is a personal doer that has to be the best one it could possibly be. So there is all this work that is brought to bear on it. It is like the work on the mind that is asked to happen within the mind. The mind has to go in and look at itself and try to see how it needs to be changed around, how the furniture needs to be moved around in the house of itself. JLW: And instead of trying to change the mind, your recommendation is to just notice, “Oh, it’s the mind.” Something like this? Suzanne: That is what the mind says, “Oh, it’s the mind.” The view of the eyes of the Vastness is hard to describe as it is brought to bear on anything because it isn’t perceived through the mind. And it isn’t perceived through the perceptual apparatus of the circuitry. The view of the Vastness, the eyes of the Vastness, exist within the Vastness Itself. It has its own sense organ that permeates it and exists at every point in it that is always seeing things for being what they are and seeing Itself for what it is. And yet, it does seem that what happened when I was standing at that bus stop included the mind, and its circuitry became a participating portion of that sense organ of the Vastness. It’s like the mind and circuitry joined into the sphere of the Vastness. Another way to describe this is that the way the mind and circuitry are always permeated with the sense organ of the Vastness must have come foreground and then that took over as the main perceptual stance or position, a position of placeless origin. JLW: Suzanne, does it seem to you that more human beings are awakening to this Vastness at this time in the Western world? Suzanne: Yes. Isn’t it great! It seems that a large amount of folks now are opening to this. You have to remember though that wevre talking about the San Francisco Bay Area here, which seems to have a higher concentration of folks who have this interest. The Vastness does carry a very strong, non-personal desire to know Itself. It does appear to be the real purpose of human life, for the human circuitry to participate in the sense organ of the Vastness. And that does seem to be happening. There are people who have come to talk with me who have spoken about their lives joining into that sense organ of the Vastness in a conscious way. ? Lynn Marie Lumiere Lynne Marie Lumiere: It does seem like there is more interest in this. I know that in the seventies when I first studied transpersonal psychology and meditation, enlightenment was something that wasn’t even being considered. Now, people are seeking and experiencing this. Suzanne: Yeah, it’s really wonderful. I can’t possibly convey how totally, ecstatically, joyful it is for the Vastness to move in Itself like this, when awareness of Itself is carried through the human circuitry. It is just amazing! LML: Are you saying there is a joy in it moving unobstructed, consciously? Suzanne: Well, it is always moving unobstructed. The joy is when this is expressed and received in the foreground of the Vastness. It really is amazing. And, sometimes people say to me, “I don’t want to give up the personal because I really feel attached to the personal. It really seems that that is where I feel the most feeling, and depth and falling in love, etc. How could I give that up?” The folks that are very involved in studying with Hamid Almaass are very big on deepening and developing the personal. They are the ones that have said to me most directly, “I don’t want to give up the personal. I don’t know what you are talking about. Why would I want to give it up?” What I tell them is that it was never there to begin with. And anything that feels like a personal kind of joy pales in comparison to the joy that is experienced when the eyes of the Vastness are the only thing that is being seen through all the time. These eyes exist in the Infinite, at every point in it. There is a joy that is not personal — you almost have to find another word for it because it transcends the category of personal joy — it is so constant and so extreme. It is in everything, everything; it doesn’t have to be just certain things that reveal this joy, it’s everything. JLW: It’s just the innate delight of being. LML: And outside of that awareness there is suffering. Identification with the personal always involves suffering, even with what people call happiness. Suzanne: Identification and taking something to be other than what it is — seeing it as something that is not the Vastness, or as something that is not good, or not desirable. There is one way to end suffering and that is for everything to be seen for what it is, because then we don’t ask that something be different in order for suffering to stop. JLW: So, seeing something for what it is implies seeing with the eyes of the Vastness. Suzanne: That is correct. JLW: Thus, the way to end suffering is to… Suzanne:…see with the eyes of the Vastness. JLW: People are going to read this and out of their deep yearning, they may try to apply it and wonder… Suzanne: “How am I going to do this?” JLW: Yes, how does one shift from seeing through the personal eyes to seeing through the eyes of the Vastness? Suzanne: Your question is contrary to how the Vastness actually exists, which is that it is always perceiving things for what they are from within Itself. The implication that one should figure out what to do in order to see with the eyes of the Vastness implies that that isn’t already constantly occurring, and you have to do something to connect with that. I have always hesitated to say, “do this or do that.” I say only “see with the eyes of the Vastness,” which is already happening, because this leaves the mind confounded about what to do. JLW: When the mind is confounded, it is stopped, and there is an openness. Suzanne: I am not necessarily aiming for the mind to be stopped. I guess the aim would be for the mind to recognize that it doesn’t know. The mind needs to see that there is nothing for it to do. It is not the doer and it doesn’t have to find the correct position. It’s like, That which has been happening all the time and which has always been the doer, finally shows Itself to Itself for what it is. LML: So, that showing Itself to Itself just happens? Suzanne: It just happens and it is always happening. There is this wave of constancy of the Vastness perceiving Itself that is always going on and the mind can say, “How am I going to do that? How am I going to perceive that? How am I going to perceive that wave of perception that is always perceiving itself? How am I going to connect with it? What can I do in order to see with those eyes that are seeing all the time?” LML: All of those questions are just thoughts in the mind. Suzanne: Exactly! So there, you just saw it for what it is — just thoughts. In seeing things for what they are, the Vastness is doing the very thing that the mind tries to figure out how to do. LML: The mind didn’t see that? Something beyond the mind saw that? Suzanne: Yeah! The mind didn’t see that. So, how do you try to explain this in a practice, right? If I gave a practice, it would be colluding with that same construct that passes itself off as the doer. LML: Are you saying that spiritual practices can perpetuate the construct of a doer? Suzanne: Spiritual practices imply that something has to be done in order to become the Vastness or in order to see that the Vastness has always been the doer. That is part of what I think this life of Suzanne has just been arranged to convey — that this is always who everyone is, nothing changes. This is always who the doer has been. It is seeing itself all the time, in every moment. JLW: I am having a reaction to what you are saying. For myself, and for many others, life has been so difficult at times. There is a lot of suffering in this world. So, I’m thinking, “Yeah, so the Vastness is having a great time perceiving Itself as the Vastness, but what about the tumult of suffering that is occurring in the mind and is identified as me by the mind?” I look at the world and I see that so much of the suffering is a result of the ignorance, fear and greed that this confusion perpetuates. Suzanne: The truth of this life is interested in showing everyone that things are what they are and that is the relieving of suffering. You don’t have to make something look different in the world in order for suffering to be relieved. It is that which everyone is, seeing everything for what it is, that makes it impossible for anything to be seen as suffering. It is simply and completely what it is; it is going on all the time, John. JLW: It’s as if I get it and I don’t get it… maybe it is just the mind reacting in the face of something it can’t understand. Suzanne: As you have heard me say many times, the mind has a very strong reaction to this which it can’t grasp, and which is basically structured in a mystery that is so completely confounding. JLW: Yes, the mind exists within the Vastness, so how could the mind comprehend it? This, I understand. There is that understanding. All I can do is surrender and see that here I am actually knowing nothing. Suzanne: This culture is really not hot on knowing nothing. It wants everybody to know as much as possible. The highest accomplishment in this culture is knowing, “I know this, I know that.” You get tested on all of it too! I want to comment on what you said about both knowing and not knowing simultaneously. You know that you don’t know and you know that the Vastness is experiencing Itself. These two experiences are going on simultaneously, seeing the construct of the “I,” the personal reference point, and seeing that it is empty of what it was taken to be full of. Simultaneity is very much the experience of the Vastness perceiving Itself, by the way, because that is what is always occurring. JLW: There is the arising of appearances, which actually do appear, and there is also the recognition that there is nothing really there. The emptiness I am is what they are made of. Suzanne: Exactly. That’s it! That is a description of it. You come to know that this apparent duality doesn’t exist, but there is also the simultaneity of diverse things appearing which are all made of the same substance. This does not imply duality; everything is there too. JLW: Suzanne, we’d like to address one of the main fears people have about awakening to the Vastness they are, which is that they will not be able to function well in the world. Suzanne: Oh I know. That is the main fear. That was the main fear that I had for ten years. “How am I going to get anything done when there is no one here to do it?” “If there is no one here to do, how is anything going to get accomplished?” Then it became so clear that that which had always been doing had always been taking care of everything. So, nothing really changed. [laughter] There is the appearance of, “Oh, this is the next thing to do, and the next thing to do,” and it is not like somebody has to be brought to bear to accomplish any doing or any decision. There is never anything that looks like weighing pros and cons, or figuring out the best way to go because this all comes out of that which tries to imagine or construct how things should be. The real doer is so unimaginable, so completely mysterious. Everything that has been calculated as the next thing to happen is calculated in that mystery. If it waited for the mind to figure out what the next thing to do was, then, well, I don’t think we would have what is naturally occurring as the planet and its seasons. If everything waited for the mind, do you think that we would have all these trees and sky and planets and stars and human bodies? It would really be a bummer if it waited for the mind to imagine it, in order for it to be there. So, doing and accomplishing continues as before, and as a matter of fact, is even more fully accomplished, even more fully doing. There is not ever a screen or a question of how things are going to happen; they just happen. JLW: From the perspective of no personal “I,” how do you experience relationship with others. Suzanne: Relationship with others, of course, we have to talk about that, right? Everything that arises, arises for a completely non-personal purpose. So, relationship is no longer something that we can call “personal.” I don’t ever experience myself relating to another, and what I am always relating to is the Vastness that everybody is. It is just obvious for me that everyone is that Vastness. It is relating to Itself. Now, there happen to be different flavors of relationship with different people. I just have to say that it is calculated in the mystery to be whatever is necessary to serve that non-personal desire of the Vastness to know Itself. JLW: Is it true that relationships are always serving that non-personal desire of the Vastness to know Itself? Suzanne: Yes. Just as it is true that there has never been a personal doer, that has always been true. JLW: Well, this issue of a personal doer leads into the next question… Do spiritual practices assist in recognizing this natural state of every human being? Suzanne: I haven’t found one yet! There are people who have been pretty upset about my saying that I don’t see any techniques or practices to do. They believe that I am saying it is equal if somebody goes out and murders fifty people or they sit and meditate. I am not saying that at all. I know That which every one is, and the Vastness is completely trustworthy in what it does. I don’t know how this happened to me; I was standing at a bus stop. Yes, I did eight years of transcendental meditation, from the time I was seventeen. But I also did this practice when I was a child of sitting and saying my name until I saw that that name didn’t refer to anyone and the personal self disappeared. I would do that when I was five, six, seven years old. I don’t know if these practices did something or not. I don’t know if there is a technique to bring this about. The implication is that a technique is needed to bring about something that wouldn’t be brought about unless you did that technique. That is just not how I see things. I see this as always occurring, that no one changes when what is, is seen to be what it is. I also think that meditation is fine, but who is it that would stop the mind? And, stopping the mind is something that is not required, because the Vastness doesn’t use the mind to perceive itself. Also, the “I” that would be brought to bear to try to make the mind stop doesn’t really exist. If it is obvious to meditate, then that is what you are going to be doing. If it is obvious to not do that, then it is obvious to not do that. Again, I see how trustworthy the Vastness is, and it shows Itself in this obviousness all the time. You don’t need any reasons for living by what is obvious. This is just what you do. You meditate, you don’t meditate. If you are doing your personal growth work, you are doing that. Of course, seeing it for what it is would be kind of nice. LML: It seems that the non-personal desire for the Vastness to know Itself would just make it obvious to each person to do certain things that somehow are part of the unfolding — and it could be anything. Suzanne: That’s right. It can be anything, and it can be different for different people. LML: In the West, many people do psychotherapy when they are suffering. I am interested in your work as a therapist from this awakened perspective. Suzanne: I've actually started a couple of groups for psychotherapists to try to convey the view of the Vastness, and that freedom is what every person who comes in to see me is after. Psychotherapy has traditionally formed very rigid views about how people are supposed to be if they are healthy. People have been pathologized because certain things happen to arise, and the smallness of the acceptable range is so unhelpful that many people end up feeling worse about themselves after engaging in therapy than they did before they started. Therapy in the traditional sense is structured around an idea of an “I” that has to be presented in the best possible way. So, I do a lot of investigating with people about who they take themselves to be; how they got those ideas about themselves; which ideas end up passing themselves off the most compellingly for the Truth; recognizing fear for what it is; and really pulling the plug on this whole campaign to have people live by ideas and ending up with the belief that those ideas are who they are. What’s naturally occurring is helping people to see these ideas that have made up their identity for what they are — ideas. JLW: Are there any other questions you are frequently asked that should be included here? Suzanne: Well, there is one thing that I think people hesitate to ask. They want to ask, but they don’t. It was contained, perhaps in your question about relationships. There are many ideas about what relationships look like or are supposed to look like once the Vastness is constantly being seen for what it is in everything. Nothing goes according to any ideas about how anything is supposed to look. There are many spiritual systems and traditions that say you should only live like this, you should only eat these things, you should dress like this, you should be celibate, you should this and this and this. They’re saying that if you are seeing with the eyes of the Vastness this is what your life will look like. One of the most important things that I think my life has been put here to convey to the West is that it doesn’t look a certain way, that everything is there, too. Most of the spiritual traditions say, “If there is fear there, then she doesn’t have it or this is not the Vastness because fear is there.” The presence of the fear never for a minute brought back a personal reference point. It never for a minute obstructed the view of the Vastness for Itself. LML: What a statement that is making! Suzanne: That seems to be what this life is meant to convey. That everything is there too, and it is what it is. This means that looking for life to be a certain way comes completely out of the mind and its ideas of how things are supposed to be. That ten years of fear that I went through actually was the most important time for what this life is trying to convey to people in the West. LML: Because the fear didn’t change the recognition that there was no personal reference point. Suzanne: That’s right. From that bus stop time onward it was clear that there had never been a personal reference point — absolutely no personal reference point at any moment. LML: Could you say that you were believing the fear, and not seeing it for what it was? Suzanne: Yeah, okay, and that was the training in seeing the sphere of the mind and how things are taken for something else within the mind. It still didn’t create a reference point. When I say, everything is there, too, I mean everything is there, too. Mind is there doing its interpretations, doing its fear about what something means, and trying to understand what it all is. LML: So, you are saying that all of that was there, but still there was no “me,” no reference point. Suzanne: No reference point. And there were so many years of that. Who knows what would have happened if there had been more years without somebody saying, “Yes, I know what this experience is.” A big part of that change of season came from mind realizing that it couldn’t grasp what was occurring, it was too mysterious. LML: The mind just went to the end of its road where there was nowhere else for it to go. Suzanne: Yes. And the mind couldn’t actually gather any evidence for the fear being justified. Functioning was going on just fine, everything was happening, it was all unfolding, one thing would happen then the next thing would happen, then the next thing. The mind wasn’t required to make decisions about how things were going to be. LML: So, the mind wasn’t needed for what it previously thought it was necessary for. It was seen to not be the central doer. Suzanne: Yes. I think that is the most important thing that this life is conveying. There has never been a personal doer. The seeing that there is no personal doer is not when it starts that there is no personal doer. This gets into something that I actually want to convey. This is the kind of thing you want to mention, that seeing everything is being done by a non-personal doer is not the same as nothing being done. The obvious will still always be showing itself. It is really ultimately unavoidable to live by the obvious because it is always showing itself. JLW: I think we are complete; this has been wonderful. Suzanne: It was nice. JLW: It was fun being with you. Suzanne: That’s another one of those things that this life is to convey — this is fun! It’s not all serious and it doesn’t have to be a certain way. That is just not so. I’ll say it again and again; everything is there too. It always has been. You cannot say that because something is arising it means that the Vastness isn’t vast, or it means that it is not made of the Vastness. Copyright 2003 John Lumiere-Wins and Lynn Marie Lumiere Photo of Suzanne Segal by Sherry Burkart.

Hey Leo! Very interesting awakening experiences. I have something relevant to share with you about your void sucking you in experience. I was in a depressed, suicidal state in early 2019. It felt like I was going to die. That's when I got the bright idea of doing self-enquiry. As I did self-enquiry, I started to have instant awakening experiences, ego-death experiences. This was a 2-3 month period of my life when I was watching your enlightenment videos. I had a lot of experiences where I was called to completely surrender to immediate experiences of suffering and clinging to my body. There was a distinct set of experiences where I felt a void in my chest, that was sucking my soul in. I knew that jumping into that void could mean my death. I jumped anyway. Turns out, instead of dying I awakened some more! There was a deeper layer of jumping into the void. I did it again. Same thing. A good metaphor would be the movie Inception where they wake up from the layers of dreams, dying in their dream and waking up to a new layer. Then, after 3-4 layers of this, as I was preparing to make the next jump, suddenly I get called to stop doing that. The reason I get, is that self-enquiry ceased to be the most effective tool for my awakening! The intuitive message was 'You are connected to the universe. Universally speaking, following your intuition would be the surefire quickest most efficient way for you to awaken, even more than self-enquiry! You could be using self-enquiry to cope with the dysfunction of your life. The way for you to awaken further is to live your life.' That's when I decided to commit to life. If I were your guru, maybe I'd tell you to take your jump into the void (Now I'm not your guru so don't hold this against me!). Maybe you were called to surrender your body to Infinite Love. Now there's a big assumption our mind likes to make, is that if we surrender our body we will die. The reality is, you don't know this until you make the jump. Maybe you'll die, maybe you won't. But if this is what you're Universally called to do and you don't do it, my experience says that the void will continue to haunt you. You'll get another opportunity to jump. If you don't, you'll get another opportunity. This will keep happening until you do it! Curious to hear your perspective on this! Edit : I am NOT telling you to kill yourself. I am going by what you said in the video, that you felt called to surrender completely to Infinite Love.

The new world order (in my humble opinion) is the forced exorcism of evil and executed by the tough love of God. God, as people intuitively feel is more than just our self, but our environment and the very field of existence. The devil, however, is what is being understood and coming to the light. The devil, and for that matter language or conceptual communication has never and does not exist beyond the human skull from our knowledge, but yet the devil just like God is immanent. Most simply, the devil is metaphysical blindness and numbness of before your birth and after your death, and the animation (dimming) of God's light. God is what exists that you know empirically and spend no time debating and the devil is the esoteric mystery beyond every concept. We can empirically say that nothing evil has ever occurred outside of a human brain because we do not attribute ability to control intention to rocks or any animals the way we personally know we are able to do. Deep down we all mysteriously and unknowingly judge ourselves when we do wrong and know better. Yet the fact that we know that we perceive the feeling of guilt and just like any other thought or feeling, is somehow not out own. This mysterious guilt within us all, the fundamental point of all religion, and the direction of the 'hand of God' as described in a somewhat abstruse term as the holy spirit. The holy spirit is simply the hive network of the collective consciousness of all humans. We all know we did not create language, the data algorithms we use, yet we can use them to build civilization. This is simply the power of standing on the shoulders of the real god, humans. Human supremacy is a goal of the new world order, but as creatures of our environment, we realize we are vortexes absorbing our environment and our mental and emotional non-physical body which every feels and cannot deny forms the toroidal ring of our consciousness. Our experience is compromised of our 360-degree metaphysical bubble however our memory is simply a highlight of the pleasureful and most traumatic events. In the 4th dimension timeline, we resonate with these extreme memories which inflate the pain body or ego to unrealistic levels. It is not possible that we are transitioning into the 5th dimension as some people claim, but rather that the 5th-dimensional field has always been the reality we have experienced. Even in tribes, humans used intelligent methods and planning to communicate the simple intuition to collaborating as a uniform entity to, as a team, resonate more of the abundance of the universe by collaborating instead of competing. We acknowledge that 3 dimensions of space and a linear dimension of time compose a raw data form of a human life in a movie with audio and video, however, we all experience an additional level of free will to move such as a video game character and an emotional and mental connection which we do not understand compromising our awareness. My theory is that the thing humans have always failed to realize but awakened people are realizing is that we are the static judge who simply knows or is not confident about our knowledge (not knowing) and not, in fact, our brain which we attribute as all of our cognition. While it does physically contain your entire perception of self, our physical brain is simply the receiver of other humans' opinions which we have adopted as our own opinion and is solidified in our mind view. This voice in your brain, as we all know Is not our self, however, since we are the ones perceiving it. We then come to the conclusion that your brains thought is literally the voice of the holy spirit, the incarnation of collective humanity crystalizing in the form of your opinion on reality. The devil is quite plainly the feeling that what is the I is the darkness within this bag of skin and behind these eyes. The feeling that you started and you will be terminated. And simply, living as we do, thinking we are in the 4th dimension. When we realize the 4th dimension is linear time, we cannot possibly understand what the 5th dimension is. My theory is the 5th dimension is the hive network of beings that connects all life and fundamentally all things from source, but instead of living through linear time, living through the collective organism is what we are doing that is so tough to swallow. We are not slaves to God or Allah but the 3-pound brain who came up with these arbitrary words that point to something mysterious. However, the dark conclusion that everyone is coming to is the collapse of all duality, and this is absolutely terrifying for the Devil in us. The devil is essentially the same as God in the sense that he does the dirty work of god and carries out the tough love of God through natural selection. All humans carrying out evil knowingly is God turning a blind eye and letting the devil's worst illusion of being trapped in a bag of skin destined to be born and die. When we think reasonably in a static mind, we find that we are not trying to conceive of dimensions of space and time, but simply experience the immanent experience of here and now but with a mysterious mental narrative and the metaphysical enigma of numbness enclosing around your (complete in its own right) slice of the experience of the absolute. But it is simply because god (the I of humans) does not want to continue living selfishly and in suffering and so the devil will blindly drive himself into extinction when the light of God comes to our personal eye. What Jesus said that was distinct from all other prophets was the useful tool of the trinity, the tool to collapse duality into a unity (spectrum of duality). The trinity is the son (the devil self,) the father (absolute infinity,) and the holy ghost (the ascending order of humanity's consciousness.) The trinity is simply explaining the father as the absolute static cloud of creation from which all concepts are being channelled but have eternally existed in essence and the relative concepts of past and future make sense to us because we keep thinking we live in 'linear' time. We come to realize however, there are no difference between memory and imagination because we know even our memory is a skewed view of the 360-degree experience and realize all notions outside of here and now are channelling of very real things despite being imaginary. This is the power of God, free will to explore any depths of imaginations, horrors, self-inflicted neurosis, because the tough love of God is simply that he lets the devil (the selfish sufferers) freely steer himself down the path of darkness and allows those who embody humanity to drown in the holy light of realizing you exist through humans moreso than yourself. The worst atrocities in the world done by humans was because of the darkness of the devil, the realization that your vessel will die and the organism that gave you knowledge lives on beyond your life. The devil wants to make any impact he can, good or bad to dim the light of God, but the light of God in us all speaks clearly: love each other and treat humans as the highest of god creation, treat the bodies of god well for it is the holy spirit of the higher self embodying all things.

Okay Nahm, I will take your word that the way I presented my topic may be considered trolling. If that’s the way it came across than I apologize. That was not my intent. Looking back at my thoughts and feelings while watching Leo’s video I was a little disappointed with the content. It seems he is dancing around the same topics from different angles, but also from the same physical perspective using different words. I guess that is the shadow I have to accept for having expectations! My expectations were hoping Leo would really get into the textures, sensations and intricacies of conscious reality at the microscopic levels. Also looking back on my thoughts and feelings, I was triggered by some of Leo’s use of words that he had reached these great depths of awareness and consciousness about God and Love that maybe no one else has! When I hear such expressions of knowingness I get annoyed and triggered because I have listened and studied way to many gurus over the years, and it has been my experience that most of them “Don’t Know, that they Don’t Know”, when they make such similar, direct or indirect statements. Hence, the topic I wrote. I take ownership that I allowed some of my feelings and emotions to get into the message I was trying to convey. Having said that, from my POV, Leo “may” not have reached the levels of consciousness and awareness that is profoundly Earth shattering and beyond anything already spoken or awakened on Earth. I am only saying that from a place of Love. IMHO, he needs to perceive reality from different POVs that may help him to awaken to other probable realities, consciousness, awareness, and Love. Agian, IMHO. I could be completely wrong, but that is my POV, and I am only saying this from all the different experiences, perspectives I have had, done, read and observed. I am in no way better, or more advanced than anyone else here. I humbly see things differently than many of the POVs expressed here, and only offer and share my POVs to help others explore and broaden the mind. Resonate, or not resonate, it’s all part of the human conscious mind experience! DLH

I don't understand this part.... does this mean that all those awakened monks and yogis we see are just imagination? Does this mean that the only entity that has to awaken is myself? But isn't Consciousness divided into infinite probes who have to awaken on their own? As you said in the "meaning of life" video.

There is also the Gaia hypothesis: That's a bit different than what I have in mind. I'm thinking of the whole planet earth as a collective conscious being. I will call it the Awakening of Gaia! The Great Awakening. Then it can be made consistent with the Gaia hypothesis which then describes the unawakened earth, while the awakened Gaia is where we humans become one with the whole earth as a living planetary organism. Gaia is also the "victorious one" in the Bible: Jesus Christ will also give the victorious one the morning star, which means some kind of planetary relationship between Earth and Venus.

Something to contemplate Why couldn't I accept enlightenment? I had the opportunity to embody the truth itself, being completely untangled and remaining in nonduality. Why did I imagine my life again? The truth was too great to accept in one go. I wasn't prepared. I felt so powerful that I became fearful. I couldn't let it sink in. What happened? I died. All of a sudden time was dead still, and there was no self reference whatsoever. Ego death didn't happen, it already was. There wasn't a problem of letting go or surrendering, no.. it was already so. But as I came to that self realisation, feeling like I'm being born for the very first time, eternity dawned and I panicked. I got scared. All that power, all that freedom, all that wholeness without a strand of lack, scared the little sense that was left in me. And so, out of desperation as if grasping for air, I started imagining. I remembered life and who i am. By the time everything was back to normal after I had woken up from that enlightening dream, I felt a fading pressure at the middle of my eyebrows. Something was happening in my deep sleep. And I suspect that if I had simply accepted the truth I would have woken up fully awakened. How will I be ready? I don't know how one can prepare to, not only die, but live forever as God. I guess the trick is.. to realize that I'm already doing it. And so I'll just have to see it now, realize how already alone I am and how this has all been self love. There's nothing to fear but yourself.

Today after digging deep while locked down in my home alone , i realised that i actually dont wanna be awakened , i just wanna experience life as it is in this human form , i wanna feel evry emotions as it is , im okay to being afraid of my death , i dont wanna be right , i just wanna be this simple human i am , i just dont want self developmnt anymore , it just created this resistence of me , when i started on this i just accept my self less and less like if i always need to do something to love my self more ...... maybe im wrong but thats what i feel

it is a zero sum game but from the limited and identified human pov it does not seem so. try expanding ur perspective. it is definitely a zero sum game from the ultimate perspective. every thing is changing all the time yet its all still the same b cuz its one. form is ever changing yet formlessness is always the same and it cant be otherwise. if u think life is not a zero sum game then u havent truly awakened to oneness and ur still operating from ego

Except there are many different levels of consciousness. There is an extraordinary range. Has nothing to do with specialness. There are some markers, although they can only be really understood once one has awakened pretty deeply. Even that is tricky because people understand love in different ways. But I generally agree that Love is a very distinctive level of awakening which many lack. It's also possible they don't talk about it so that you can discover it on your own because love can be a very misleading notion for the ego-mind. Talking about love makes people think love is a personal feeling or something like that.