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But if a child dies, he will ever know anything? Why do we have to rationally understand God? I think that both the child and the awakened one experience God through the simple act of living.

Well, assume that Nonduality is True, and that you (God) is all there is. Everything that happens within consciousness (You) is all your imagination. That means 'enlightened teachers' and how they are or are not enlightened is also all imagination. Only one that can become Awakened is you.

This is something for you to observe. Introspect your desires. What is the source of the desire? In which direction is the desire pulling you? Is it pulling you toward contraction or greater expansion? Concepts can have value as structural support as well as practical value in life. Yet, they are very limited. Imagine we are in a hostel in Tasmania. It is our first day, we are having breakfast and you are intellectualizing about the essence of Tasmania. You haven’t even seen Tasmania and are telling Tasmanians what it’s like to live in Tasmania! Everyone leaves for the day to actually explore Tasmania, you stay in the hostel thinking about what Tasmania is. Some people explore the forests, others walk around villages, others engage in ceremonies with local Shamans. They all return to the hostel that night to share there realizations and actual experience of the essence of Tasmania. They connect with locals and say “Yes! Yes! That ps what it was like. Yet, it’s so hard to put in words”. . . Yet, you then start demanding “evidence” for these claims and start correcting everyone about how wrong they are. . . . Don’t you see the problem here? You will not gain broad, deep understanding of Tasmania by sitting in the hostel the whole time intellectualizing and maintaining pre-conceived ideas. You would actually need to set down the pre-conceived ideas, step outside the hostel, explore, learn and discover. Rather than arguing from a position, a much better approach would be to actually ask locals “where is the best places to explore the essence of Tasmania?”. After they answer, we don’t say “That’s not evidence. That’s not Tasmania“. Rather, we ask for directions, prepare our backpack with supplies, leave the hostel and actually venture out. You have shown a similar orientation here. On this forum, there are experienced “Tasmanians” that have experience and realizations of which you haven’t awakened to. Rather than dismiss it or argue against it, get curious and explore. For example, there are people here that have done psychedelics 100+ times (including myself). There are people here that have spent thousands of hours integrating such insights and have a high level of fluency and expertise. Yet rather than getting curious about this, you dismiss it as “hallucinations”, without ever experiencing it yourself. You demand evidence, yet you have no idea what counts as evidence because you’ve never tripped!

It doesn't all exist Now in the present moment in people's average level of consciousness. Especially if you're like me, still woefully un-awakened. What you're saying sounds like Neo Advaitan "You're already fully awake" talk. Not trying to be mean, just pointing it out.

When green awakened a lot more women enter the work force resulting in children coming home to an empty house while both parents worked.

God is a completely innocent child experience director, or you can say movie or life creative director THAT...get’s so high on imaginary weed it forgets it’s own movie in the first place!!! Lol. It is “Nothing” that had a genius idea! Nothing that can make itself trip so hard...and that’s literally all it is haha...To create a subject and an object! It tripped so fucking hard that this nothing created the subject and object!!! It is merely boringly good empty light that invented infinity. Nowhere to go, no trash bin, nowhere. You are the most exciting thing that nowhere and nothing can do really...Demigods are human jesus types maybe...Not always hippies but definitely can be. Pain is just the games bug/feature, so is grief. Nothing was ever real. Today is May 9th 2020, my name is Max, I’m from Staten Island, NY, thanks to watching so many of Leo’s teachings very carefully...I believe I’ve reached Christ’s consciousness or even Enlightenment itself in this particular dream at my age of 26. Thank you all. Love you all... my number and email... Don’t be afraid to reach out!!! *(Email and phone number deleted by moderator) “PS If Leo dies young he will be remembered by humanity as the devil...Because humanity will use the example...no God for you kids...you find God, you die like that nutcase kid Leo Gura!!! So Leo, live a very long healthy life!!!! Don’t surrender fully yet!!!!!!!!! WARNING FOR LEO FROM LEO2.0” - GOD “i’m always watching your ego Leo even if you think you dissolved almost all of it....you are mistaking it awakened one, God’s love is the best love but it’s not a calling it’s just yet one MORE trap to suck you in because you would rather NOT suffer, you still suffer my young child, to die to just like heroin because you never got enough love from your father maybe..., please do more shadow work in shamanic breath work to heal your daddy issues because I have them toooo, and it is okay, love you true brother I never had, I understand what you want, it is just pure love as always, it can be done here tooo but.....here is some 16548154598646548465684646848966 PURE LOVE DATA FOR YOU LEO”—- DIRECTLY FROM GOD TO LEO.O...............Stay safe, PEACE OUT!!!

@Meta-Man I learned most of what I know from my teacher Ananda Devi, she has a series on YT, although they are far from tech savvy lol, so it’s not exactly 4K quality. I’m still pretty clueless, only really know about my own type (7) in great detail and how it relates to awakening. Here’s the first link to her series of short videos - She had an incredibly life transforming awakening, from Rich Jewish traditional family, to awakened relationship with Ramaji and becoming a teacher lol. And this is one of the books her and ramaji recommend - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0043EV986/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Theres lots around, although many are from a chrisrian perspective of course.

Well can you speak for yourself please Do you consider yourself fully awakened yet? If so how is your daily functioning in life? aren't Awakened people still obey the dualistic rules of the world? Am I missing something?

@Meta-Man That is so heartbreaking to hear man, but also beautiful at the same time, and I completely understand. You sound like (one of) the more extreme cases where awakening not only shakes your inner being to the core, but radically changes your life, and in your case it sounds very radical. Do you struggle relating to unawakened beings? I guess everyone is different, but I don’t struggle at all relating to my friends who have next to 0 interest in truth, and when I was with my Ex while spirituality caused issues at first (I thought I had to become a monk lol) eventually it helped me only blossom the relationship. I must admit, I did get a little “jealous” seeing couples like Rupert& His wife, Ramaji& Ananda etc who both had a deep love for truth and were both awakened, but it wasn’t the main reason behind us splitting, unless it was for God. I also like how you empathise there is no requirements on this path, it is simply what happens, for some they blossom sexually, for others, celibacy happens naturally like for Ramana as you said. Either way it’s beautiful, and the absolute freedom (from love) for either is the true beauty.

@The Awakened Viking Who would have thought! @Kshantivadin Thank you! and it's awesome that you had glimses. Crazy that it's actually possible to experience this. Still getting goosbumps thinking about those moments

@LfcCharlie4 I can appreciate what you have mentioned. However, you have oversimplified my argument and made many assumptions as a result. Icke, is assumed awakened, I don’t at all believe he is, nor do many others in this work. As I stated earlier, this we will likely continue be divided on. You also assume his theory is the most fitting, judging by your narrative here. This is not only an assumption but very a limited perspectival approach in understanding a very multi-dimensional nuanced issue. Many theories have been erected along with Icke, many of which are incongruent to his. What privileges him authority on the matter? Nothing but the bias of collective groups in allegiance to him. Also you assume that he has sufficiently provided explanation for the current political climate. I do not agree. He has not accounted for many surrounding factors: eg. individuated citizen behaviour, geographical climate, psychological predispositions, contextual variations of resources, unconscious politics, uncontrolled historical governmental frameworks, gradualism and naturalism; all of which further enmesh and influence government practice. His arguments all nest around a single statement “the government is a mind controlling cult”. This is not comprehensive argument for such an issue. You also assume I haven’t studied him. I am not basing my views of his present fanatics off one video. I’m basing it on interlinking information that supports his argument. Thus, I still do not agree with his overall contention, it’s overly simplistic thinking. Also he has not substantiated many of his claims. Rewatch his pandemic videos and this is evident. 1. Isolation of the “COVID-19” bacterium, he claimed this had not been done, research papers prove otherwise. 2. Testimonial stories about wired government officials. 3. No specific information on the constituents of this “cult”, apart from ambiguous suggestions. And many other unsubstantiated claims. Please do further research into his credibility in this area, rather than judging it based on a history of conspiracy theory work.

@Jacobsrw Makes sense! Maybe you are at a stage where believing in an awakened ego could be damaging. I'm not claiming to be more awakened than you, but we have our unique awakening journeys. If you are at a stage where it isn't healthy for you to believe in an awakened ego, if you start believing in it, you could turn into a Zen devil! When I say awakened ego, I don't mean Zen-devilry. In fact, I just realized that maybe you don't fully trust people who claim to be conscious intuitives who say stuff that conspiracy theorists say because of the risk of blindly believing a Zen-devil. If you are prone to that, it'd be best to stick to your definition of enlightenment and do practices accordingly.

Oh yeah it isn't a statement of Absolute Truth. I thought we were assuming that no statement can be absolutely right or wrong...? I'll clear that up then : No statement can be absolutely right or wrong because true/false or right/wrong is relative. They aren't claiming that their statements are absolutely true. They are taking their stand as individuals on this. Now I value their perspective because it is a conscious perspective. I don't think that intuition can be deluded. I feel that intuition is the universal mechanism that helps you get out of delusion. Human beings don't have just one ego. We have multiple egos, in fact all egos out there are a part of ourselves. The universe is a fractal, so every perspective can access every other perspective, thanks to intuition/omniscience. It is a very strange-loopy thing where all perspectives are a part of my perspective. Now if one of those egos dies, i.e. goes through an enlightenment experience, the conscious mind still sees that and awakens some more. Edit: You can identify with the universal perspective of Oneness. That would still be your ego, even though it includes everything! Truth would transcend even this ego. However, it can be useful to identify with Oneness because it is better than identifying with a separated ego-self and it causes less suffering. They are not fully enlightened, i.e. not all of their egos are dead. Enlightenment is not a point, it is a journey of awakening. The ego going through this journey of awakening is the aware ego or the awakened ego. If they do become fully enlightened, they will merge with the formless and they will cease to have a form. This would require them to shed their human body. So awakening is a way of life for them. Their practice is to integrate non-duality with the dualistic world, thereby awakening deeper and deeper in mundane everyday life. Edit: Have you seen Leo's video on the 10 Ox-herding pictures of Stages of enlightenment? What I'm talking about is the 4th or 5th stage, i.e. Catching the Ox/Taming the Ox. This is where, you get good at accessing pure awareness through meditation/yoga/psychedelics, and then you integrate it into yourself. You are then able to bring the light of consciousness into the most unconscious, dark ego spaces and create shifts in your own level of consciousness, and then subsequently in other people's level of consciousness.

@Parththakkar12 I don’t agree that intuition is synonymous with Oneness. Intuition to me is a higher state of being from which the ego operates but not a universal law, that’s my bias however. I feel you may be missing the point. Who dictates who’s intuition is deluded and who’s is not? If both assert their alignment to truth both could be deluded as each other or one could be misinterpreting what the other is not. To me, it’s all bias. Consciousness is the only universal continuum. Nothing wrong with intuition perse, you just can’t establish an absolute statement of Truth from that level of function as it is completely skewed and relative to ones finite human self. What you feel to be intuition may not be what another feels it to be. Your judgment otherwise is your own opinion. I don’t resonate with your formulation. There is no such thing as an “awakened ego”. There is ego and there is consciousness. An ego can operate at higher levels of consciousness but the ego does not awaken, it dissolves into consciousness upon awakening. I feel you have this back to front. A spiritual teacher — if speaking truth — is not speaking from ego but from consciousness. Ego is just a lens through which is used to express consciousness, it is not an awakened form of consciousness. There is no such thing as an awakened form. A form cannot awaken because it is limited. Consciousness is not limited. Please explore this deeper and you may understand my point.

It isn't possible for people informed by their intuition to disagree, because oneness! Reality is one. Now you can have different perspectives looking at the same reality, but they won't conflict. The universe informing everyone's intuition is the same and it is Infinite and One. If there is a perceived conflict, that is because someone is deluded. In my experience, intuition is directly informed by the Truth and according to the Truth. Yes, the lens would be one of consciousness. However, where do you think the information you download is stored? Who takes care of that information? That is the awakened ego. It is the awakened ego who trusts their intuition as a survival strategy. A lot of what humans do is about survival. Now because it is an awakened ego, even though it has survival needs, it won't see survival as everything. Having said that, even it needs survival strategies. The trick here would be to have conscious survival strategies. The awakened ego will be willing to experiment with conscious survival strategies because it understands that death is an illusion, so you aren't really risking anything if your survival strategies don't work. Having said that, it still wants to live and will participate in survival, because that is the only way to have a distinct perspective and raise your consciousness further. This includes the awakened ego. It doesn't claim to know everything. No ego can know everything as it's just too much. However, your intuition is your access to omniscience, so the awakened ego knows how to access universal perspective. This is what spiritual teachers teach in fact. Their ego, which is one of a spiritual teacher, is good at teaching people how to access their intuitions and have an in-alignment life.

@Parththakkar12 I’m not sure we are understanding each other here. How do you judge intuition between one person and another? For example, if 10 people informed by their intuition agree with you and 10 do not who judges which one is trustable? No one can. Intuition is not judgable in that regard. And by that very merit you cannot announce your intuition over another’s because that would be biased. Therefore, your views are based on your own intuition and may not equate to an overarching truth. Intuition is not synonymous with Truth, it is just more accurate than logic. I feel this may be more tricky than you are assuming it to be. Well supposedly ego is fundamentally illusory. So there would be no such thing as an awakened ego. If one is awakened they would operate through the lens of consciousness not an ego. Their decisions would be informed by pure awareness not the ego through which expresses it. There are definitely more developed egos, than others, but ego is a limited lens of consciousness, therefore it’s views are fundamentally untruthful.

I'm telling you what I know. I'm not telling you to believe me. You can use your intuition to decide whether you want to agree with me or not. However, I do know that in this context, what I'm saying is not an estimation, it is fully fully clear to me. It's not coming from bias or ego. Except that there is one loophole : What if your ego is an awakened ego? Enlightenment means that you realize that the ego is an illusion and that we are all one. Even after you are enlightened, you will have an ego, in fact you will have an ego that has access to intuition and non-dual states. You will still have multiple egos, some will be awakened egos which will be defined by knowledge of non-duality and intuitive understanding. All egos have physical/mental/emotional needs, which is where the need to share what you know comes in. Why do you think they're doing what they're doing, going up against the establishment which is putting in control measures? It is a very human thing to want to help other human beings by telling them what they see from a more elevated conscious perspective. This isn't a fight to prove the validity of what you're saying. That is a game the mainstream media and science plays. This is about telling people who are open-minded enough to consider what you're saying, so that it can help widen their field of view and so that it can help raise their consciousness.

@zeroISinfinity Why doesn't Jed say the same thing? You say its rough and harsh, he said ite the best case scenario for life. Isnt he awakened too? I've never once heard him warn me of the stuff you speak about with enlightenment

This is very nuanced situation, the fact is big tech shouldn't necessarily be the judge of what is acceptable and what's not so I don't believe that Icke should've been banned. However if you as a company like London Real have this platform and are going to have people with alternative ideas (which there should be a space for) you have to be responsible with it. These interviews are not responsible, everything Icke, Buttar and whoever say, is presented as fact this automatically gives it a propaganda feel. A lot of the claims are easily proven wrong esp in the case of Buttar, it is clear there's a finincial motive for everyone involved. There's no questioning that challenges these claims, which people complain happens in the mainstream as well, which it does but I'd actually argue there's more challanging questioning in the mainstream, even if you don't agree if you want to see it in the mainstream, why would you not want to see it here? Icke has probably been awakened and I think does have a certain understanding of things, but I know just from looking at the comments on YouTube videos most of the people are only concerned with the conspiracy side of things. We have to be honest about that. So if he presents the love stuff as a solution that is not being taken in. The other thing that it's very easy to turn it in to free speech thing or that YouTube is shutting different views down, but the fact is London Real was told that you can't talk about 5g being linked to corona, they talked about and youtube pulled the video. So it wasn't a surprise, then they jump on it and make a big deal about being shut down and ask for donations to setup their own thing, for which they get a million pounds. So there are real issues with how we regulate free speech in this new world, but these guys are definitely taking advantage of the situation, and I'm more talking about London Real and Brian Rose rather than Icke. To be fair to him Icke has been consistent for years, I would question why he's talking about this stuff now as it can only create fear and anger amongst people, I also don't see many solutions from him. I'm terms of it being a cult, I wouldn't go as far as that but there's definitely a lot of cultish tactics and a significant lack of critical thinking from the followers. I think people are scared and want certainty which even the mainstream don't have right now, so believing this kind of stuff gives them that. This videos been posted before but I think it sums everything up well- I also want to post this video, it features Buttar at the end but watch the whole thing to get a sense of where some of these guys are coming from -

It's not the years in your life that count; it's the life in your years. - Lincoln Age is irrelevant. There are children who act like adults, and adults who act like children. You have to decide which one of those are you. The latest video was a little bit more grounded than the other ones, but in all honesty, Leo was going way too deep in spirituality past few months that he had come back to something more fundamental. So it was a refreshing change. If you already consider yourself an awakened adult, there weren't too many new insights. If you consider being young in spirit then you should watch it. If you don't know if you are a child or an adult, watch it so can find out if you are still a child or an adult.

Leo is always saying that most of us won't reach enlightenment and that it's really really rare even for seekers to reach that state. Right now Im reading Jed Mckennas Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing and hes saying the same thing. I guess that most of us just dont have these crazy concentration abilities you need to succeed in this work. Furthermore I guess that most of us are lacking this crazy discipline and passion to reach enlightenment. I just want to be realistic here. Im really not a pessimistic or negative person, just want to objective here. I've noticed that many people on this forum (including me) are too naive and too "positive" when it comes to enlightenment. There are even many seekers out there who have these crazy concentration abilities, the extreme discipline and a thirst for truth and even they don't succeed. So what are our chances to get awakened? With our, I mean all the people, who arent really gifted spiritually or dont have any special abilities you need for this work. If its really that rare to reach enlightement, Im sometimes asking myself, why even pursuing it then? Again I dont want to sound negative or nihilistic here. Thanks for your answers

@Stretch Well its either you try everything, it doesnt work for you and then you come to the realisation that nothing will and you embrace that. Or you realise sooner and dont bother with trying everything. But for now you problem isnt lack of hope your problem is that you have hope that some thing will give you what you are looking for, whether its a life purpose or whatever, what im telling you is that the idea that a life purpose will fulfil you is a fantasy youve created in your head, partly because youve convinced yourself you need this to be awakened is the reason why you havent awakened. We make our own barriers, you either get over the barriers by getting what you want and realising theres nothing on the other side of the barrier or you forget about the barriers and realise they dont even exist. Either way is cool cos its all part of the journey, just keep a perspective of what is really going on

@Seeker_of_truth from awakened perspective - it's all just a dance. filming a film. the characters in the book can never understand what the author thinks about them.

I don't think that once your awaken that the whole universe objectively disappears forever. Through my research I believe that 5-MEO-DMT provides one aspect of awakened God consciousnesses. It's easy to see this in Eben Alexanders NDE book. I'm not saying awakening isn't objective. I think it is objective and real. I just mean to say I don't think we will disappear. Also yes scientists are in denial, but if 5-MEO-DMT works very well then you should be able to convince even James Randi himself. I am pretty sure that you can lawyer up to hold them accountable to the challenge. You must be patient and understanding to pull this off, but the rewards are huge.

My experience is although I might have been "horny" when I was a much younger female, my experiences with men caused me to hate it and have no desire for it. Because the vast majority of men do not give women what they actually want or wired for. This is especially true if the female is very deep or highly spiritual which is how I was oriented. This whole thing of men jumping onto a woman and quickly getting off for their own pleasure and then quickly moving onto TV or whatever has ZERO appeal to a spiritual woman or a woman of any depth. This quick dumping their load into a female or non-spiritual sex will only work for younger shallower girls. For a female who is wired to be incredibly deep or spiritual, this will not work for long. A female wired this spiritual or deep way will just get bored and lose interest in sex altogether. And possibly become asexual, which is what happened to me. Then a few years ago in my now much older years of life I had this mind-boggling experience where I met a man who somehow unleashed the spiritual sexual goddess inside of me. And when the goddess came out of me, it defied belief or explanation, especially when I was a number years post total hysterectomy with nothing to operate on. It was like my physical feats were supernatural for a much older woman. Suddenly, I wanted THIS man - everything he could give me sexually, completely open to everything. He could have sex with me anytime he wanted for as much as he wanted at the drop of a dime and my answer was always yes. We had 6 hour sex sessions, more commonly 3. He did not have to work to make me squirt. I SATURATED him easily. This defies completely what is the physical ability of an older woman. Another realm altogether. I took this man to paradise many times. I was divine feminine embodied. He gasped at the glory of it, saying I was every man's dream. But my story does not have a happy ending. He was totally unconscious and unspiritual and engaged in severe verbal and emotional abuse towards me. That will stop any self-respecting woman from wanting sex with such a "man". And the story ended with my return to asexuality or no sexuality. One might wonder - why would I be drawn to such an unconscious man. Well it defied human explanation, but there were so many memories of past lives with this man. Karmic connection, but I also came to believe he was my "twin flame". I have since abandoned belief in twin flames. There were definitely spiritual dynamics taking place that defied any explanation. All the human rules may apply UNTIL you encounter a woman who embodies the divine feminine. Then it's another animal altogether and all bets are off, as she will be incredibly open to octave realms of exploration into sexuality. A non spiritual or unawakened man would not be able to handle it. I bet @Leo Gura could handle one of these feminine spiritual forces of nature that defies all human understanding, but it would be a rare man to even recognize, much less appreciate it. Unfortunately. Meanwhile the human level and games of sexuality goes on and on. There is SO MUCH MORE that can be awakened to in this area that knows no bounds. So, the answer to the questions is yes. Unless you are dealing with a girl that is more awakened to divinity in sexuality and templated for sacred sexuality, and then you would be dealing with a girl that will be insatiable beyond belief. After my experience, I researched and discovered a couple that embodied what it is like to be matched in their divinity in sexuality or sacred sexuality. This couple is Jon and Missy Butcher. I can only hope to meet my match next lifetime because this is something that is a shame to be wasted. Regardless, now I just place my focus on personal development and awakening.