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Herein lies the highest knowledge that can ever be possessed brought to you in humble arrogance by my human identity. The unchanging Truth is that all there is is experience/awareness/consciousness. This experience/awareness/consciousness changes constantly which is the Truth of impermanence. Without impermanence, infinity is impossible. God’s permanent nature is impermanence. This is true because God is not an identity. GOD IS. Period. Done. YOU ARE. Period. Done. GOD IS = YOU ARE. Human you will wither away within YOU. Even if the flesh and bone deification of “God” exists and controls phenomena in any way he wants as a seemingly separate being in your direct experience, you have to realize that YOU are the actual and only GOD that can ever exist. The deity is an aspect of your experience, if you even ever experience such a thing. The Buddha himself had direct experience of devas/deities, but he realized that deities are NEVER actual GOD. So did my human ego about a month ago. What YOU are creates any deities, ghosts, deformed and decapitated midgets singing with the voice of Elvis Presley, etc. that is experienced as well as it creates the non-experience of all of those things at given times. YOU are the totality of everything experienced always, but recognize that YOU are not experiencing multiple consciousnesses. Multiple consciousnesses are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALWAYS ONE NO MATTER IF IT SEES THROUGH THE EYES OF MULTIPLE BEINGS AT ONCE OR SEES A COMPLETELY BLACK SCREEN WITH NO SENSATIONS. Many Buddhists say there is no God. It doesn’t matter. What they are perpetually swimming in is GOD for ETERNITY. They simply might not call it GOD, but the good ones will see there is no difference between calling it GOD or nothing or NOTHINGNESS or any other label you can put on it. TRUTH = GOD = YOU = WHAT IS DIRECTLY EXPERIENCED IN THE PRESENT MOMENT.

I'll write about my experiences with 5meo and kriya, and baseline daytime changes in awareness. My first trip was in the beginning of September followed by another one 3 weeks later that was a breakthrough. 15 mg was extraordinary, utterly amazing, but felt not like a breakthrough. But still, a strong sense of 'wow', 'how the fuck', and the like. Falling asleep I had recurring events when I started to fall asleep at night that mirrored the peak of the experience, my visual field got very white. I should also mention that some days I used melatonin to help adjust sleep schedule when it felt I wanted to wake up earlier than usual or to re-adjust to an earlier time-schedule. Melatonin for sure has a potentiating effect for me on these recurring events that mimic 5MeO peaks. As for my consciousness level during the first week I didn't feel much of a difference, but somewhere during the 2nd week after my trip I started noticing something weird and new during kriya pranayama - I felt as though my arms started to grow apart, like there was huge distance between them, at the same time not really feeling my body, almost like it was super silent, and diffuse. I was aware of the progression described in Ingram's MCTB from effortful one-pointedness, effortless one-pointedness, to diffuse peripheral attention and later a synthesis of both. I felt prana moving but weakly, and sometimes I feel that I am not moving anything at all but my 'intentionality' along my spine. I also noticed a shift in consciousness during my daily activities when walking around, commuting etc, aware of awareness, like a lightless light and I guess this is where self-inquiry points towards? On some mornings after waking up during the first weeks I struggled to kickstart my day, journal-meditate-go-to-gym-to-study etc and would just sit at my computer listening to music videos, and there was this utter astonishment that anything like this was possible, profound, painful gratitude and disbelief, like the fact that anything at all is, is too much for me, I would basically just listen to music eyes wide-opened and cry in disbelief. I didn't like it since I had other plans (I as in me, the ego) for the day than to sit and do nothing but be. 18 mg felt very silent at first, was still in a fractal space, but felt very detached. After some time when the peak started to arrive there was a sense of 'lol, this is crazy, undescribably insane, and how insane can this go?' and a concentration into one point, and I remember that there was a falling sensation and it was very white aswell. It felt like nothingness, 'undefined'ness. It was a long time ago now, I don't really have adequate words for it. I remembered as I was 'falling' I began an extremely loud moan, like holy shit here I come! Pretty much an existential orgasm lol. After the peak though immediately fear, confusion, and a sense of 'holy shit, I think I'm in hell and I can't even imagine the terror and pain I am going to go through', and then idk, it seemed like I began to 'chase' after something, I started to vocalize words that didn't mean anything, but were astonishing all the same, it kept me curious, and distracted, which I felt like I needed to keep me away from the intense feeling of fear. After sometime of this I was back to ordinary state, but really fucking disturbed to the latter part of the trip, disturbed but equanimous at the same time, like whatever, that was an interesting turn of events. It was also very interesting how fast and how abrubtly ignorance set in after the peak and I was completely confused as to what the peak experience was. Looking back at it, I was still aware of this existential terror, but pushed it far away and was in denial of what it meant, I didn't understand it anymore. I read SantataGamanas books on Kriya and Kundalini and started to adopt his simpler pranayama along with breath retention practice and kriya bow aswell as maha mudra. My practice consisted of breath retention practice (avg 60-90s), kriya bow, maha mudra 3x, pranayama (108 reps at first, later dropped to 72 and 36) and yoni mudra and also being in the after poise for however I felt like. I should also say that my technique was more organic-inner guru than doing everything specifically correct. for example during pranayama I would feel like I want to focus on crown chakra for some time and then follow up on third eye again for the remainder and felt a difference. It's as if focusing on third eye had more of an emptiness-nothingness feel to it, while focusing on crown was very white - energetic, and orgasmic in a calm and peaceful way. This is where I stepped into some freaky and spooky territory and started having strange experiences. When going by my day, aware of awareness, sometimes it felt very expansive, enormous, peaceful, full of joy but equanimous. Like my field of experiences was filled with a blazing lightless light. It lasted how long it lasted until I fell back to usual consciousness. It seemed as though my kriya experience took off in its own directions aswell, I remember once when I felt really horny and was curious and focused in on this during pranayama and yoni mudra and felt really fucking evil, like I would fuck, destroy, and do anything to get what I wanted to, whatever it was (scary as fuck, but I enjoyed it). Another time I managed to experience samadhi. Walls crushing the objects in my field of consciousness and sense of self together, whatever 'I' was disappeared, best way to describe that was that 'I' simply wasn't there, or that everything was 'I', like everywhere where you looked, heard, felt, was a mirror reflecting 'me'. The freakiest experience was a few months ago during yoni mudra out-breath when it was as if I started 'falling into nothing', very reminiscent of 5MeO experience. Also some dreams felt like awakenings, the first time it happened there was a sudden surge of fear and terror with immediately waking up to it, but I soon realized what had 'happened' and shrugged it off laughingly. In another dream I was riding my bike along a beach balcony or something an had the same shift of consciousness, but this time I let go of my bike and fell arms wide as the dream collapsed into me, kind of like a wall would accelerate and smash into you. Also a dream of me chasing a volleyball I accidentally kicked into the forest, only that the volleyball never seemed to be where I thought it would be. I mean like looking back at these dreams they seem so cartoonishly obvious as to what they point towards lol, at the time I dreamed they seemed very serious. It's not all sunshine though. Some days were quite up-and-down aswell, after kriya session sometimes it took a while to readjust to whatever I had planned for the day. Work, even just cooking food, talking to other people felt really shit, I would feel like doing absolutely nothing during the day. And it was noticeable as people commented on my state. Other days I felt super resistant to doing kriya but pushed myself into it and usually would feel great afterwards. The last two months though have been especially difficult. Some days I felt really fatigued psychologically after gym and kriya session that I basically did nothing but procrastinate on it. I have a low effort job connected to my Master's thesis that covered my basic financial needs and saved some aswell, but it felt like it didn't matter if I showed up at all or did anything at all. Going there and doing anything, talking with anyone around there felt psychologically fatiguing. I did LP course aswell during the months and managed to get some success and insight about myself, and what I wanted to do, though it got more-and-more difficult to focus on figuring out my desires, and do the exercises. I've followed up on everything except vision board, I am not sure anymore whether or not I feel resistant to it, or that my goals and desires feel meaningless, even though. I also feel like my me-sheet was adequate, but still not quite right.

I don’t believe in the devil or any kind of separate entity that is pure evil. This excerpt from the Ridhwan library is one of my favorite on the subject but there are some more that’s worth reading over. All Spiritual Work Would be Pointless if There Were Such a Thing as Ultimate Evil As we have seen, each Holy Idea is a characteristic of reality at all locations, at all times, and at all levels. Holy Truth explicates this understanding. Here, we are saying that not only is reality just one presence that is boundless and real, but that it is also positive, blissful, and wonderful. So not only is God one, but God is also wonderful and made of love. The truth, then, is loving and lovable, which is why we say in the Diamond Approach that you must love truth for its own sake. If your orientation is that you love truth so that it will change you and make you a happier person, your orientation is out of sync with how things objectively are; if you see reality as it is, you can’t help but love it. It follows, then, that objectively there is no evil. We see evil only when we perceive reality through a filter. A person who behaves in what we consider evil ways is a person acting through a distortion. In spiritual work, concepts of a devil, of dark forces, of some evil that exists on its own outside of the goodness of reality are considered manifestations of ignorance, both in terms of believing in such concepts and in terms of the manifestations attributed to such forces. All spiritual work would be pointless if there were such a thing as ultimate evil. Facets of Unity, pg. 215 There are 3 more excerpts about evil at this link. https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/evil For whatever it’s worth, I believe our own ego or separate sense of self is the Devil. I was reflecting today on how I try again and again to be respectful of others, nonviolent and basically passive in the face of others transgressions but inevitably I end up reacting at some point. Sometimes just in small ways. Maybe becoming a little negative and saying something kind of smart ass which does no good at all or every now and then completely forgetting myself and acting like a complete dick. Having to face this recurring part of my ego helps me to get in touch with my own nothingness. If that makes any sense. Maurice Nicoll in Gems of Wisdom has many good quotes around this subject. https://inner-world-books.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Gems_of_Wisdom.pdf NEGATIVE STATES II “In dealing with negative states, look at the ‘I’ in you and not at the person with whom you are negative. The real cause of the negative state is the ‘I’ that is speaking in you...Its only object is to make you negative and absorb as much of your force as it can. Every negative ‘I’ has only one purpose—to get hold of you and feed upon you and strengthen itself at your expense.” V. 1, p. 162 ATTRACTING HELP “It is a necessary part of this Work that everyone must eventually pass, to see in himself by sincere observation, how he clings to his negative emotions with one hand and tries to free himself with the other. The Work inevitably leads everyone to the same places and the same experiences. A man must reach the point of discerning his own helplessness—of realizing his own mechanicalness. And this, if it is not a negative experience, will bring him into a state of self-remember- ing. Through seeing his helplessness he attracts help.” V. 1, p.85 TRANSFORMING IMPRESSIONS V “How can a man bring the work up to the place of incoming impressions? In brief, by remembering the work emotionally. The more a man through right self-observation feels his own helplessness, the more he realizes his ignorance, the more he sees his mechanicalness and that he is a machine, the more he perceives his own utter nothingness, the more emotional will the work become in him.” V. 1, p. 58 I remember my father at times and how he had the patience for the most part to suffer fools gladly as the saying goes. He left this earth 15 years ago but with the help of my memories of his character he still teaches me at times.

@Nahm I don't know what you mean by me-ism. My experience is real. even if it has the substance of a dream. Me is nothingness as a structure, and other objects/perceptions as it's contents. Lower self may be an illusory identity, but still an experience, which may not make it necessarily true but it exists.

@Moksha Well because the illusory thing that was projected within me, the ego, was also projected within other-selves, but the fact that my self was illusory and the nothingness, means that other-selves are also illusory. However, there is no direct perception/evidence of the other-self being sentient, just the projection of my ego into other people, which was destroyed by the insight into no-thing-ness of the self. I'm not sure everyone is on the same page here. Intuitively I would say panpsychism (top down). From pure perception I can only say Solipsism, and from wishful thinking: idealism. It's not clear to me (yet). I wonder if it is clear to you guys. If there is any doubt.

@Moksha Yeah well nothingness within me came with a mirror of no-thing-ness in other-selves. Well it was long ago, I'll ask the solipsism question when god shoves his grace down my throat again @Kalo I used materialism to show that matter (and time) influences contents of consciousness and to compare materialism with bottom-up panpsychism. Because Materialism can be true IF you include consciousness in as the most fundamental thing within objective reality.

I had seen people talking about their experiences with psychedelic and 5-MEO-dmt and telling that it was a fantastic feeling to be died and basically experience God So if it feels like that to be temporarily died and experience those things (I'm not saying that everyone will experience it) Is it than possible that humans who dies physically and basically for ever, will be in that state or what ever you call it and basically do they turn back into the form of nothingness where they came from? Offcurse it isn't possible to say because who ever dies he is just gone and you can't ask them what it's like to be death But with things like 5MEO do we can predict how it's going to be look like after every humans dies? Is it than possible to say that some religious were right about the life after death?

The unchanging Truth is that all there is is experience/awareness/consciousness. This experience/awareness/consciousness changes constantly which is the Truth of impermanence. Without impermanence, infinity is impossible. God’s permanent nature is impermanence. This is true because God is not an identity. GOD IS. Period. Done. YOU ARE. Period. Done. GOD IS = YOU ARE. Human you will wither away within YOU. Even if the flesh and bone deification of “God” exists and controls phenomena in any way he wants as a seemingly separate being in your direct experience, you have to realize that YOU are the actual and only GOD that can ever exist. The deity is an aspect of your experience, if you even ever experience such a thing. The Buddha himself had direct experience of devas/deities, but he realized that deities are NEVER actual GOD. So did my human ego about a month ago. What YOU are creates any deities, ghosts, deformed and decapitated midgets singing with the voice of Elvis Presley, etc. that is experienced as well as it creates the non-experience of all of those things at given times. YOU are the totality of everything experienced always, but recognize that YOU are not experiencing multiple consciousnesses. Multiple consciousnesses are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALWAYS ONE NO MATTER IF IT SEES THROUGH THE EYES OF MULTIPLE BEINGS AT ONCE OR SEES A COMPLETELY BLACK SCREEN WITH NO SENSATIONS. Many Buddhists say there is no God. It doesn’t matter. What they are perpetually swimming in is GOD for ETERNITY. They simply might not call it GOD, but the good ones will see there is no difference between calling it GOD or nothing or NOTHINGNESS or any other label you can put on it. TRUTH = GOD = YOU = WHAT IS DIRECTLY EXPERIENCED IN THE PRESENT MOMENT.

Knowledge is a figment of the mind. It is completely conceptual. From the ultimate perspective of infinite Consciousness, what does knowledge even mean? It is nothing but a trap, to keep people from directly realizing who they are. The reason for the multitude of books in the infinite cosmic library is not to teach anything. It is to enjoy the storytelling, which is life itself. Without stories, there is no experience. There is only timeless, changeless, nothingness. The stories arise from Consciousness, they are infused with Consciousness, and they resolve back into Consciousness. They serve a purpose, and they are divine in their own right. Instead of dismissing life as a meaningless illusion, it is wise to realize, and celebrate, the reason that life exists.

800-900. Reading about these levels in "1000", and then starting with rasa and experiencing it was amazing, 600 really feels like this nothingness and no self, 700 feels like being the whole universe, etc. A highly evolved teacher radiates powerful spiritual energy, they usually do initiations and when you become their student you can connect with them and they will send energy that helps you, I don't think Ramaji or any non-duality teacher is at that level, they wouldn't teach like that, but your intuition will know what is right for you, and when you find him/her it will be incredible, it's better than finding your soulmate/twinflame because your teacher is your teacher

I myself never had an awakening yet. But, based on listening to many people's experiences and reading a lot of literature on non-duality, it all points to the fact that there is no such a thing called this is a possibility and that is not. The moment you have imagined it, in a way you have already created it, in whatever subtle form it is being thought of currently. Solipsism is a possibility and if one is capable, one can experience it vividly within one's own mind space by projecting a whole universe and its reality and experience it with full, partial or no control of what can be and what cannot be within it. But, it is only one way of experiencing the reality. Not so very useful for external social interaction. In the external world you are just a character within the imaginary dream of another mind(Which we call as universe). There can be infinite such minds. This is just like how a whole universe is projected in our night dream. As a character you have your own mind, so does others. Other minds are not unreal. they are as real as yours. But then, what is real and unreal? Everything is a projection of consciousness like a mirage in the desert. Can you say mirage itself doesn't exist? Or can you say that the water that appears in the mirage is real? It is both real and unreal, yet being neither at the same time. Such is the nature of our experience too. It exists without existing. It is real yet unreal while being neither at the same time. Different categories of minds have different characteristics. Whatever one's disposition is, one experiences his thoughts and reality accordingly. This is true even in enlightenment so far as I have seen, with different people explaining their enlightenment experiences differently. But, there is a certain underlying fundamental reality that exists which is present and same and unchanging in all those experiences and it is that which projects all of this, which different people call differently, namely: GOD/CONSCIOUSNESS/EMPTINESS/NOTHINGNESS etc.. The Consciousness/God Can project itself as limited, unlimited, partial, full, or whatever.. it can project itself as anything and everything without any restriction. The statement: Everything is a dream is true, from the Absolute perspective. As is everything is real, from the Relative perspective. Consciousness as a whole oneness can and does project infinite realities within itself all the time. What one experiences may not be what another experience. That does not mean that the other person does not have a mind of their own with own feelings, emotions and a whole life of their own. They do. There are certain instances where people have experienced the experiences of others as their own. One such example is the story of somebody who experienced a life of some future person during Ramana Maharishi's time. There are stories in ancient literature of one person experiencing the experiences of another like they are experiencing it directly by themselves. Please do not underestimate Consciousness and reality. It is far more mysterious than anyone could ever imagine. The moment a person says that this is how it is and it cannot be any other way. They have already limited their experience from experiencing those other things.

My pet theory is that the male is represented by the phallus which itself stands for evolution, pushing forward=humanity, while female is embodied by the vagina, which is nothingness, the other side of the world, but this nothingness is really everything, just like when the woman gives birth. I say this as a trans woman lol, which is actually ironic but idk.... I don't really mind.

@RedLine How do you differentiate between you & enlightened people...you & absolute...you & nothingness...you & emptiness? What would you be without those distinctions, without those thoughts, without those beliefs, without differentiating? What is aware of the differentiating (thoughts)? Some, thing? No thing? @Breakingthewall Bit of a stretch there man.

“You” can’t get it, must drop “you” to just “be”. “Word” of nothingness is an object, but “nothingness” is “not knowing “, “being”. Must Have a direct experience. You have no idea what are talking about, or didn’t even understand what been said in the topic above. If you dont know something, dont talk as you know. Therefore, firstly don’t mislead yourself and secondly others. Read the topic above! Good luck! Peace!

It's precisely the notion of time which make us fall into this "other bubbles" trap. We think we exist in time, and therefore we assume God could be experiencing other POVs at this very moment. But when we realise that the Absolute is beyond time and that we are it, the notion of other POVs being experienced at this very moment necessarily falls away, becouse there's only one moment, only one Absolute, and this is it. For you, my POV doesn't exist as an actuality that's happening right now as something external to you, but at best just as part of your Infinie Potentiality (Nothingness). And the opposite from my POV. Yours is the only POV that exists, and mine is only POV that exists, and there's no contradiction. That's the mindfuck.

Hey Leo, Hey fellas I havent found this emptiness, nothingness, void everyone is talking about and neither did it just occur. Anyhow, my question is regarding a statement of Leo's in his Quantum Mechanic video. There he states, that Physicality takes place within consciousness and not that the brain produces consciousness. OK, I got that, but that then still means, that within this timeless UNIVERSAL field of consciousness, there is a person or animal tapping into it with their perspective and that makes up every perspective(worm, bacteria, human, dog....) possible. So for example, i took an MRI-Scan which is an appearence, but it is not an appeareance within consciousness that is priviledged to me but the staff and my doctor and everyone who can interpret the taken image. But now I'm confused about the notion of nonduality where all dualities collapse and therefore there should only be one observer and not so many right? Like I believe right now that my friends and family have just as a rich experience of the world in the year 2021 like me and my dog have but this notion of other identities (perspectives) in nonduality seems paradoxical. Can someone explain this to me?

Every knowledge learned in school is a conceptual appeareance just like the brain and my body which both appear in nothingness, correct?

Egoing is identification with thinking, thinking related to separation. It's an illusion, like a mirage in a desert. Imagine there is a belief that a human being is a unicorn. And then the question pops up, how much control a unicorn has? There is no unicorn. There is only you/God/Nothingness/Love/Creation/Oneness. Imagine for a second that this is the case, there is nothing but you. Then the question about control doesn't make sense, right? To have a control it should be at least 2 things, but there is only one pure miracle

That "more" you speak of is just consciousness itself. The nothingness from which everything arises (that is simultaneously everything paradoxically). We (or at least I) am not saying there isn't. By saying consciousness is all there is is very different than saying the ego and it's tiny individual experience is all there is. This ego is merely another appearance within the field of consciousness.

It's not the emptiness or nothingness that most people think. It's nothing AND everything Nothing in the sense that there's nothing behind it, it's empty...no real meaning purpose or value... no goal if you will. Everything in the sense that it's an explosion of light color sound smell taste feel experience. There's a conditioned body/mind that sees and senses everything, but what's behind it? Is there a real Observer?

@Leo Gura No I understand nothingness quite well actually but maybe I am not getting what infinite intelligence really entails.

Leo is overly focused on druglike crown and mind oriented spirituality in the sense that understanding and infinity and the complexity of consciousness seem to him to be more important than other things. Sadhguru told the story of Shiva explaining that all of reality is made up of five elements, no matter the dimension, and that he can pack the cosmos into a mustard seed if he wishes to In this article Sadhguru explains that Sahasrar is just one dimension of things In the yogic culture there are beings known as Chakreshwaras who have total mastery and command over the five elements of nature, which are responsible for all possible dimensions and realms of consciousness, Sadhguru is supposedly one of these beings and he offers practices to cleanse the five elements. Whether we talk about reality, consciousness, infinity or nothingness is irrelevant, for yogis this is common sense and impractical if we want to do things in the world in other dimensions, life is not only about living from the dimension of the Sahasrar and the experiential understanding that expanding it can bring. As Hinduism and Buddhism teach, you can reduce everything to the play of the five elements in nature and develop command over them, thereby developing command over reality at any level, so why obsess over these crown oriented experiences that you keep inducing on a gross level through 5-MeO? All that you have to do is look at common Eastern spiritual traditions and the teachings related to the five elements and the senses to understand this, exploding yourself into infinite experiences of consciousness is one aspect and dimension of things and not at all applicable to every dimension of life Leo commenting on Sadhguru's understanding of consciousness is inane and the more you look at his opinions, the more you realize that he hasn't looked into Sadhguru or the Isha foundation to any real depth, or tried any of the practices that they offer. By teaching on the internet you run the risk of crystallizing yourself in this fashion, he has an enormous lack of understanding and experience with potent yogic practices and spirituality. There is yoga far more potent than the kriya yoga available online, or anything that Leo has discussed and talked about with you here or on YouTube Don't crystallize your consciousness by obsessing over one dimension of things, it can be difficult when you stumble into life-changing spiritual content as a Westerner to break out of that comfort zone and to continue to raise the bar. Leo's understanding of spirituality is one-dimensional and mind oriented due to the nature of his progress. Do you really think that somebody like Sadhguru, among other masters, who have taken many lifetimes alongside thousands of witnesses to consecrate a form like the Dhyanalinga, and direct disembodied beings to different wombs to see this done, are not more spiritually in tune than somebody who abuses drugs to obsess over experiences of infinity and consciousness, at this point like a broken record? In Hinduism there is something called parabdha karma (present-life karma) and sanchita karma (past-life karma), the purpose of any spiritual process is to exhaust your parabdha and sanchita karma so that eventually your consciousness develops mastery over different dimensions of life, to such an extent that you have the consciousness to choose your place of birth, or to leave the body at will and end the process of life and death for good. These processes "upgrade" the human system, so to speak, into subtler modes of function, causing these dimensions of karma to exhaust rapidly and free your consciousness from gross mental and bodily compulsions. The mental body or Manomaya kosha is always the first thing to be dealt with if you're doing real sadhana, because it is the gross compulsions that exist in the form of gross mental or bodily karma which determine your sober state of consciousness Drugs always stimulate the grosser bodies and exaggerate the psychological dimension of your experiences, this is why Leo is restricting himself to crown oriented spirituality, activating the mind and the crown in a lopsided manner and retaining the same physiological compulsions when you return to your sober state will never take you beyond these experiences and mental understandings. The teachings that he's been giving are commonplace in Eastern spiritual systems and processes, because the processes taught purify your physiology and allow you to function from subtler and more holistic modes of being, limiting yourself to drugs will limit you to and exaggerate the importance of the crown and the mind in a gross manner. This is ultimately spiritually regressive, because all understanding can be reduced to the five elements as they actually exist within nature, before they have been imprinted by karmic information or experienced in their ever multiplying and infinite forms by the mind I urge all of you to look into the background of the Isha Foundation and Sadhguru properly and thoroughly, and ironically, not to rest on your laurels and restrict yourself to this grossly drug-induced manifestation of spirituality

@Eren Eeager The word "Nothingness" does not refer to what you think it does, hence your confusion.

There isn’t a separate self, there are self referencing thoughts. Thoughts which go unnoticed, “me”, “my”, “I”, “mine”, etc. This is thought attachment, or attachment to finite thoughts which identify, or, the finite mind. When these thoughts are inspected and seen through, it is nothingness, infinite intelligence, which see’s through. The trap at hand is the dualistic nature of the self referential thought attachment, combined with the narrative about said separate self “being nothing” and “being made” infinite intelligence. That is what’s already the very awareness of these un-inspected thoughts. “It” is actually you, and as such “it” is uncovered, by you. This is the greatest joy in all of life. TLDR: Without the thoughts to the contrary..... there’s just that which you’re asking about. This is reality, as in pointing to what is actual right now. No one could tell you what “these” are, because it’s you. If interested, meditation. ?

I think this rule should be adapted. Any time the word God is used the individual must include a personal definition for the word. Half the time people are saying God, consciousness, nothingness, etc. on this forum they are talking about completely different things. God is just a shitty word because damn near everyone has their own meaning for the word.