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This is a beautiful topic with beautiful insights written into words. This forum can do something Good after all <3 <3 Knowing vs not-knowing is one of the most interesting dualities in life. Take for example a simple flower out in the woods. You look at it. It's simple. It's beautiful. Yet, if you know something about biology/science, you can easily fool yourself into thinking that it's also complex. And of course you are right: In a sense the flower is immensely complex. But it's just as true to say that the flower is simple. My point is this: The less you 'know' about something, the more you -- in another sense -- know about that something. The less I know about the flower, the more I see it for what it is: God. My own doing. God's doing. And God's doing is effortless. Simple. The more I know about the flower, the less I see it for what it is, and instead I see it as a separate thing/concept. Separate things/concepts are indeed complex. But Truly there exist no things in actual reality! Only God's/Your Eternal Happening exist! Let me ask you these questions: - Do you know how you move your legs? - Do you know how you open your mouth to eat an apple? In one way: No, you don't. You can't explain to me how you do it in words. You just do it. In another way: Yes, you do. You just do it! Of course you know! Now let me ask you these questions: - Do you know how to grow your hair on your head? - Do you know how to move your intestines to digest food? - Do you know how you beat your heart? In one way: No, you don't. You have zero clue. In another way: Yes, you do. You just do it. Like you open your mouth. Now let me ask you these last questions: - Do you know how you make the sun Shine? - Do you know how you make the flower grow? - Do you know how you transform sound waves into sound/music? In one way: No, you don't. You have zero clue. In another way: Yes, you do. You just do it. Like you open your hand when you want to open your hand. Do you see how both perspectives simultaneously are equally true? A: I don't know anything. Nothing is my doing. True. B: I know everything. Everything is my doing. True. People who are stuck in logic can't accept this. Haha <3 Taken together, statements A and B collapses into Actual Truth. Can you hold both perspectives in mind and simultaneously accept & deny both of them? If you can't, you're stuck in illusion/close-mindedness. If you can, you are very much open-minded and probably attuned to awakening. <3 _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ One thing I'd like to point out is the obvious truth that: What is fundamentally, ultimately & absolutely true cannot ever be spoken of. This applies to everything. It applies to my prior conceptualizations about 'non-doing' and 'doing', 'not-knowing' and 'knowing. I'm just pointing to the truth there. Nothing else. We can only ever point to the truth with language. Very, very important to grasp this. We can never 'get there' with language. For example, on this forum it has become fashionable to say that "all people in your life are just 'your projections' or 'imaginary'." While I - as God - sympathize and (somewhat) agree with that statement, it is also a dangerous statement that can easily be misunderstood by common people who are not awake. Just because you believe Leo and trust him when he says that "all people in your awakened life are just 'your projections' or 'imaginary'." it doesn't mean you *actually understand* what the fuck Leo is saying. Any of your/other's ideas in your head is not the full truth. And it can never-ever be so. To help you understand this, I'd go as far as saying that the opposite statement: " all people in your life are very real, existing independently of 'your will'. " is fundamentally just as true(/non-true) as the original statement. Now, you can ponder what I actually mean by that. :-) <3 _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ @JayG84 1. "Can I trust the fact that I "know" intuitively what everyone is talkng about when they speak of Infinity/Oneness/Love/God/Consciousness?" 2. "It doesn't feel like the I (as in the ego) knows it. It feels more like something knows it and it's letting the I know. But that could be more ego masking." 3. "I've taken mushrooms and felt the connectedness and the Love of everything, and that's sort of where I'm at with day to day life too. I've accepted all of reality, even the "bad" stuff. But I don't think I've ever even come close to Awakening." 4. "Maybe people who are truely awakened aren't thinking about what they are like. And just be it. Right?" 1. / 2. / 3.: Both no and yes. Yes, to some degree, because you've already prior had glimpses of Oneness (on your mushroom trip). This has, without any doubt, given you an intuition -- maybe weak and incomplete, but still -- about Truth. Realize that there fundamentally is no ego. Only You. If you say the ego is masking, what you actually mean is that you are masking it for yourself (unconsciously), because you don't actually want to 'see it'. Be careful with being overly self-skeptical and saying things like "I don't think I've ever even come close to Awakening". If you keep repeating that to yourself, I can almost guarantee you that it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy :-) To me -- based on what you are writing here -- it seems like you have come somewhat close. If awakening is a lemon, I think you have tasted drops of juice from the lemon already. You just need to put the whole lemon into your mouth :-) You seem very much attuned and ready for the final blessing/gift. Cross the river, dude. Take that psychedelic and let go. Just let go. When you are ready. It will happen by itself of course. If it's meant to be that you will awaken within this imaginary avatar of yours, then you -- in a sense -- don't have to do anything about it. It will happen all by itself when you're ripe. It's good to be skeptical and critical of one's own mind. But not too much. What you are seeking for is yourself after all, absolutely speaking. I'm talking about your actual true self (we can't put a name on it), not your false self (person-body-mind-ego). :-) Awakening is such an obvious thing (when you finally get the full lemon in your mouth.). It's what is right in front of you. It's yourself. Yet it is difficult to grasp, because how can a mouth eat itself? In order to finally wake up, it's quite obvious that the seeking has to stop, simultaneously. What you seek is seeking you. 4. Yes, I believe so too. I believe there are many people around the globe who in some degree are awake, but who don't go around talking explicitly about it. Instead they do it implicitly through art or some other means. Hell, it's not just that they don't directly talk about it, it's also that they just don't have the words for it - for what they feel. @Leo Gura and I are two imaginary persons who do have the words for it. I see myself so, so, so much in him cos' our minds work pretty much the same way. When I woke up during my 40 mg 2CB-trip on Whitsunday, I felt like Jesus reborn. But I also felt a bit like Leo Gura waking up in a new imaginary body-mind, mine <3 It felt like making love to him. There were also "hints" of insight during the peak/come-down that I had now become even more enlightened than Leo. But who knows. <3 Haha =D But for instance, we have zero clue how to make music about it. But take Jon Hopkins. He is a dude who doesn't go around saying "I'm God and everything is God". He is instead a genius-musician. And yes, that star constellation on the sky in the music video is the molecule that Leo has said is currently his go-to-psychedelic :-) Much love <3

Well put my friend. If you don't consider yourself already awakened, you at least seem very attuned to me. Get in that deep meditation or take a psychedelic and experience that raw sweet, shocking Absolute-Loving experience of becoming Oneness / I am'ness. In other words experience your true self. bless you <3 EDIT: "This is both awesome and HORRIBLE!!!! Because now I can feel how I am all alone, without answers, without another one beside me, and in this eternal seeking forever. Yet I don't want to get back to ignorance, because I feel free, I feel happier, I feel like now I am authentic. My ego is so sad and depressed now." Yes okay. You are "not there '100%' yet". What basically needs to happen is a complete 'let-go' of that imaginary ego of yours:D And that takes Love. So practice some Love and then 'fully get it'/let go/integrate it during a peak mystical experience (psychedelics help). I fully understand what you mean when you say that it is both awesome and horrible. When you fully get there, awesome and horrible will be identical though. No difference. It just is. And yet it is Amazing beyond words. The feeling of lonliness and feeling of have to seek forever are projections of your ego/your fear of letting go. I'm awake and I don't feel lonely. Quite the contrary. I feel connected to my environment (nature, things, my table, my friends, my body, etc.) in a so beautiful way I ve never felt pre-awakening. It's all me. Yet I don't cling to anything. I know that I don't know who I am. 'self' and 'other' are the same. So when my friend asks me if I want to go to the beach, it is myself asking myself if I want to go to the beach. I didn't think about going to the beach, I didn't know I wanted to go to the beach. You see how beautiful this is? You do still have 'others' beside you. It's just that 'others' is IDENTICAL to You. hahaha <3 Your ego is sad and depressed. Yes, this is natural in the beginning when getting glimpses of awakening. You need to get deeper glimpses and let that ego fully let go. Practice Self-Love. Bless you. One advice to you: watch/listen to the first 44 minutes of this A. Watts talk. Most profound talk in youtube, no kidding:-)

Now I understand why we love ignorance and living in autopilot. This is too much. We need to escape into fantasyland, because our deep existential nature is TOO MUCH!!!! It's just a story!!! My life is just a story!!! A screenplay!!! I am not the movie character, I AM and that's it!!! I need the story because the story gives me contrast, it gives me the ILLUSION of separation in order for me to OBSERVE MYSELF!!!! I am IGNORANT about my own existential nature, thus I unconsciously project A STORY, a human life, to find myself and to discover my nature. There's no meditation, no self inquiry and no psychedelics. IT'S ALL A STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am already awakened, but this is also a HUGE PARADOX because I realize that the story is necessary for me to awaken, I AM BOTH AWAKENED AND ASLEEP!!!! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PROCESS WITH HUMAN LOGIC!!!!!! Humans are just a story. Being male is just a story. Chakras are just a story. @Leo Gura is just a story!!! this one actually made me feel REALLY ALONE, because I have decided my own awakening WITHOUT my conscious consent!!!! This is both awesome and HORRIBLE!!!! Because now I can feel how I am all alone, without answers, without another one beside me, and in this eternal seeking forever. Yet I don't want to get back to ignorance, because I feel free, I feel happier, I feel like now I am authentic. But..... everything is collapsing. It's just a story........... a movie......... perfectly written. My ego is so sad and depressed now. It's just a story. It's just a story. The only reason to exist is to find that "WHY?". Why? I AM here to look for that why. But this life is just a story. I was never unconscious. The past does not exist. Yet I was unconscious. And yet I've always been awake. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Tyson is currently the most enlightene person on Iron Mike is my guru, the toad has opened him. He is the top awakened avatar , complete transformation

I see. So God needs to imagine that there's something outside itself so it can communicate/express itself. I think I got it. Projection is necessary since One can't communicate with itself, there must be at least TWO to communication to happen. That's why I project sentient beings and objects as God Until not long ago I had the same version yeah but, (and I don't mean to since I don't consider myself Enlightened or awakened at all) but I think there aren't any others . Is just me projecting stuff all around so a communication can take place. But lets say that they are not unconscious or consciouss, there aren't sentient beings. I am imagining them as God, just as I am imagining the wall or my body . But honestly after reading Leo's and others replies here i think it does make sense. I need to project stuff in order to create anything at all. God can't talk to itself because you need TWO to have a communication! Of course!

I've taken mushrooms and felt the connectedness and the Love of everything, and that's sort of where I'm at with day to day life too. I've accepted all of reality, even the "bad" stuff. But I don't think I've ever even come close to Awakening. But I sort of do see the world as some awakened people talk about it I think. I "feel" the egos of everyone around me. I can see the collective ego's dance in society. I feel like an observer of life, and I witness the Impermenance of it all, and I feel the Love in all of it. But I'm just not sure how close awakening is, because as you can tell, I just talked about myself a lot here. Maybe people who are truely awakened aren't thinking about what they are like. And just be it. Right?

This is a super interesting area to me. As one develops through partial awakenings, do you think people tend to have initial glimpses of direct, non-localized, instant communication within certain resonance? For example, one person may get glimpses communicating with animals, another person gets glimpses of communicating with an imagined stranger and another with a dead friend. As well, it seems ime like in partially awakened stages, access is limited. There may be limited access to only communicate within a subset of Everything.

So is Awakening a feeling? Is it a knowing? Is it some other sense that people who haven't awakened aren't aware of? What makes someone who comes back from an awakening so sure what they experienced was the truth if whatever your mind conjures up about it just a thought?

Interesting topic. There is Mahavatar Babaji of course, however maybe he is too mysterious; we can only guess that the stories are true. A modern successful lineage is Ramaji and with his spiritual transmission, he has had few students because he only works 1on1 but so many of them succeed. Ramaji had his first awakening thanks to Ramesh Belsekar, so there is a connection to that lineage but the connection to Ramana Maharshi's lineage is stronger. Then there is the Essenes group which I think have awakened many, however they are also mysterious and unknown.

So basically everything, life purpose, all your dreams, all hopes, all your aspirations, all your goals, all your different passions etc. should all be dropped when you want to become awakened? Because when you reach nonduality/infinity every duality will collapse eventually and you are giving up yourself, everything of yourself. So is life purpose then for example not just a big distraction that keeps you in the dream? Or all your passions. These things are just moving you farther and farther away from awakening because they are all coming from ego in the end, which you have to give up. I mean I try my best to give them up, but sometimes its really hard. Then why is Leo encouraging us to find our life purpose if its just a distraction?

Thank you, this was really interesting to watch, he is a fitness funny YouTuber that awakened, not your everyday stage green frail hippie spiritual seeker. He also claims that his GF is self-realized since she can remember, here is a text in his Instagram: "Q: DO YOU HAVE A GF NOW? A: Yap. She's also the only teacher I've ever had. Her mind is one of the fascinating universes I've ever came across. Not only on the intellectual and creative level of the brain, she's transcended her mind, meaning she's Awakened to her True Nature since she was 3. If there are musical geniuses like Mozart, it only makes sense to have spiritual geniuses like this one here. You just gotta find them through the IG DM. ~ She told me the 360 degrees Infinite Awareness/Buddha Mind/Christ Consciousness/Natty State has been her default mode for as long as she can remember, and doesn't understand how you can go into a meditation session without instantly blowing up so your sense of "noself" fills up the the Infinite Space. She puts me to shame. She frightens me. She's had all the insights and meditation experiences, Nirvanas, Satoris, Jhanas, gained from all my meditation without much practice. ~ She made me realized a lot of this work is "genetics" and some would say she did the work "previous life". ~ If I can put a finger on it during the instant Samadhi accessed instantly when I'm around her...I think her level of Realization and meditation prowess is up there with Elkhart Tolle and Osho anc Jed McKenna or krishnamurti. and the only difference is this 21 year old computer science major hates talking about "Spirituality"...that which cannot be simpler. Lol. Check out the music I made with her when we first met link in bio. Also working on another video of her 1 month gains at the gym using non-dual awareness."

I have just seen Leos video "One Rule for Acing Life" and found it very inspirational. Since I am already a very conscientious person and have been like that for my whole life, the thought of always doing what is the most emotionally uncomfortable as a way to success is not new to me. However, it was nice to be reminded of the concept and since I watched the video I have practiced asking myself the question "What is most emotionally uncomfortable right now" which has raised my awareness in daily life. The thing is that I (maybe because I sometimes can be too conscientious) have difficulties relaxing. I try to meditate for at least 1 hour every day and I also have a running practice - both things that in some ways relax my mind and body. But the feeling when I do these things is not at all the same kind of relaxation I get when I, for example, watch a stupid sitcom on Netflix or read a fantasy novel for that sake. I live alone and is often very tired in the evening. This time a day is often where I get the gift of very intensified gross emotions and the possibility of working through them to maybe heal some kind of childhood/previous life/energy or what-do-I-know trauma. Unfortunately, my routine up until now has been to label the emotions as negative (loneliness, sorrow, sickness) and escaping them through Netflix while I eat dinner. Since I watched Leos video I have changed this routine and now sit in silence in my window eating my food. I have also during the day tried to find ways to relax without choosing the most emotionally comfortable path. So for example I have just been lying on the floor with my dog when I needed relaxation and going really really early to bed. But I don’t have the energy do deal with the emotions all the time, and especially not in the evening. (I am very much a morning person) And the only way I can “escape” and “really relax” seems to be from doing "things that are emotionally comfortable" Is it possible to live life without ever doing what is emotionally comfortable? I am interested in your thoughts about this and maybe hearing how you guys relax? – And if some of you live fully by “always do what is most emotionally uncomfortable” I know a friend of mine, who I consider to be very awakened, plays computer games occasionally and watches Netflix - which, I suppose, for him would be emotionally comfortably choices, so I guess it is possible to be actualized/enlightened and still take the emotionally easy way sometimes? All the love, Sine

In hindu mythology it is said that a soul will keep taking incarnation over and over again on this world until it realise itself as the GOD and then only it will become/integrate into pure infinite love, @Leo Gura how this resonates with you based on your experience, will every human being on this planet get merge into pure infinite love irrespective of how much they have awakened while living on this planet ?

@Enlightenment I would say modafanil is less jittery than caffeine. You feel awake (not awakened lol). more effective with less of those unwanted side effects of jittery anxiety ime

I apologize if I have misinterpreted what you said. What I mean is that while you are right saying people that are preaching are not living to their full potential (and thus not very woke), you are only noticing the people that are preaching because the others are... living life to their full potential (and thus probably doing more meaningful things). Mostly, statistically. There are some very awakened people on the forum too, yet they are more focused about helping than talking about themselves IME. That's not me btw, I'm just trying to be right again right now lol

I'm not on the "Love-bus" either. I understand what Leo and others try to explain logically, but I haven't awakened to it. That doesn't mean I don't keep an open mind and I won't accept it if it turns out this way. Don't close your doors. Be open-minded. Just entertain this as a possibility.

How awakened is a being if when you see him in person, theirs a gold aura around him and he’s levitating for two hours?

@Leo Gura Personally I don't class Ralston as fully awake either, he doesn't seem to have awakened to unconditional love, or stabilized in the Absolute. It's a rare that a student will outgrow a teacher, so naturally they'll only reach Ralson's level of understanding, a bit like Fred's 1-1 students will likely awaken to No-Self, but not go beyond, as that's where he's at. My point was mainly if guys like Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille & Adya focused on 1-1 they'd be much more effective, I've been on some of these guys webinars and it's like your listening to other people's awakening struggles (which has it's value at somepoints) and not your own, it just isn't as direct as it could be. This is not shitting on these guys as I regard them very highly, and it's kind of the 'industry standard' to do it this way. @Hello from Russia He's of course awakened, I just wouldn't class him as finished, if you resonate with him, get what you can from him, but it's likely to fully finish you'll need to move on from him

I'm still yet to find anyone fully Self-Realized from the Psychedelic path, by this I mean Francis Lucille, Rupert Spira, Ramana Maharshi realization. I'm not saying this won't happen in the future, and am open to it, but I mean from here it seems like Psyches give you insights and experiences, but eventually need to be let go, I think you said your experience was like this. Still think working with a teacher 1-1 & transmissions are the most direct path to awakening, and am yet to see any evidence suggesting otherwise. For example Rupert awakened by....spending a lot of time and working with Francis& Francis awakened by.....spending a lot of time and working with Jean Klein. The pattern is pretty obvious among the true advaita teachers, aside from Spontaneous awakenings, but banking on that, is like banking on winning the lottery as your source of income. The reason 99% of Guru's students are not awake is because to suit the masses, the mainstream guys have to talk to big crowds and do group meditations and inquiry sessions, and people get to ask like a few questions on retreats, it's just very sub-optimal. It's like trying to learn an instrument or sport in a group setting, it is nowhere near as effective as working with a coach/ teacher 1-1 where you can go over your own personal struggles, blockages and issues, and actually overcome these, instead of waiting 5 months until the next retreat where you can get a 10 minute answer one time. I am not saying group teachings, and talking to crowds don't have their perks and effectiveness& I'm sure they help a lot of people, it's just working 1-1 would lead to far better teacher/ student results, at least from what I've seen. When you Self-Realize and if you decide to carry on teaching, you would help a LOT more people by directly teaching them 1-1 than with your Non-Duality videos, again not saying they don't have effectiveness and are of course worthwhile, I just don't think they are the best primary focus if you want to help people awaken.

I am not fully awakened (of course), but still I think that the value in books will remain the one of maybe learning new things for your everyday life and passions and to understand maybe some phenomenon within the dream of reality. Unless you'd be able to download all these notions in your mind, even the everyday information on the best recipe without reading it into a book or on politics issues. Am I right? But yeah spirituality books would be useless I guess, unless maybe just to see other people opinions on the matter or to find way to teach betterif you're into that, but for sure not to understand reality anymore

Love you too you awakened bastard. Why you leaving?

I find it so funny that we can't talk about the meta of the meta in these situations. Like there are the people talking about all the materialist stuff, defending their egos and trying the convince people that there is a physical reality through proof and facts. And then there are the people telling them to wake up, It's all a dream, Awaken. They use words to express this which don't do it justice, like asking someone to explain the colour Yellow to them. It must be frustrating and they just say "Just go see it and you'll know"....but we are all trying. But what I'm saying is: I (Which doesn't exist) have had a realization (Which I know is just thoughts and perceptions that don't "exist") that right here doesn't exist. And that it's all an Illusion (Which is something that I'm conceptualizing).....etc etc etc. You see how this is impossible to talk about without picking apart everything that someone says as "they're still using words, they must not be awakened" But what I'm asking is that, in this illusion that we are living in, does anything seem different when you awaken, or is it just a deep knowing that we are living in an Illusion? Like someone can not have words for Yellow, but they go and experience Yellow, and then they say...Oh, Yellow was in front of my eyes this whole time! Yellow is all around me!! But it doesn't change the fact that nothing has changed, just their perception of it. Is Awakening like that? Like an obvious OOOOOHHHHH. It was right here all this time. Or does your whole Reality (which I know is an illusion) change in a tangible (I know nothing is tangible) way? Because if nothing about THIS reality changes, just your contextualization of it does, than how can I know for sure what you and I are experiencing is the same awakening? I know this to be an amazing, impossible, magical, illusory, reality. That I can't find the words to express this to you in a way that I can be sure you're experiencing in the same way as me...

how does it feel and how is your experience ? what were the changes when your kundalini was awakened

Leo, what about reincarnation? Isn't it so that only a fully awakened person goes to infinite love at the point of the ohsycial body's death? And other people keep reincarnation? Did you get insight that makes this information no longer to be true and that everybody go to infinite love forever?