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This is about the fact that you aren't the body... You could be a soul that came here to experience this and on the absolute level it is certain you are god experiencing yourself... So you might feel bad after dying..especially knowing you can't really die and you just threw away a body you inhabited for no reason... You might also remember why you came here. Then you might come back in a similiar situation. I have also thought about suicide, but finding god, going out of body etc I understood the consciousness that is the real me can't die. So for real think about it. What if your consciousness is immortal?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3zynw/twitter-says-you-cannot-tweet-that-you-hope-trump-dies-from-covid I was going to post this in the Trump COVID thread but I felt it was important enough to highlight it in a new thread. This is good news IMO. It shows that social media companies are waking up to the impact they have on people's behaviours and are taking that responsibility more seriously. I feel like we could finally be learning the lessons of toxic unrestricted internet sites that lead to people committing suicide, ending political careers, getting authoritarians put into power, etc. and are putting rules in place to make the internet more conscious, healthy and useful.

The bipolar guy probably did not come across as needy. Funny, a lot of people with mental illnesses are very attractive. Do that meditation that I told you about where you think about her for ten minutes a day, including half that about having sex with her. This will allow for your inner child to indulge and allow gut you to emotionally detach. The thing with the suicide hotline is that those people are usually socially awkward and can’t even help. Well, now is the time for a deep dive! Get to know who you are. Create a living, healing relationship...with yourself.

I am in a very bad emotionall state right now, maybe the worst i have had in my life. I am restless and cannot sit still. I have OCD and suicidel thoughts are in abundance these couple of months and especially this current week. I think that i am going crazy and started take some pills to dull my mind, they are without a prescription so i guess they are not something serios. I dont want to kill myself because i am very attached to my friends and people i know and also where would i go? I think that i will end up back here so what is the point of suicide. I dont know what to do every day for me is a challenge.. I JUST WANT TO BE NORMAL....

It was definitely not unexpected but stubbornly I wanted to work it out. This is a girl with many options so I'm easily replaceable. Her ex was bipolar so I was thinking if a bipolar guy can attract, why can't I? Anyway, I notice I'm over-analysing. I should just accept with didn't match and move on but emotionally I can't. Life is really getting unbearable at this moment and I called the suicide prevention phone number. Not that I was seriously contemplating it but I really needed to talk to somebody. I understand that I have to go inward. I'm still wallowing in my misery at this moment. Perhaps I should push myself to finish taking notes from this topic and get to work. Until this point I only did inquiry and contemplation to foster communication between my various shadow parts.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/suicide/will-i-go-to-hell.html

@INIT I am glad that you are still here to reply to us. From what you are saying it seems like your existence by itself is an unpleasant thing, why do you think that? You say that you have no idea what you are or what anyone else is, but you also say that if you would've committed suicide your body would not be there. Does that mean you would not be there also, or does that just mean that the body would not be there? Is that body yours, is it you, or what is that body? Maybe you wouldn't be insane for not knowing who you are, who is there to judge? The others that you also do not know who the hell they are? You say that 'if this is not insane, I have no idea what is'. So does that mean this is a limited concept and outside of the concept 'this', there are also concepts that are not insane? Or are all concepts insane? Could you live without concepts, could there just be no concepts? For there to be a concept of 'I', there does not have to be an actual 'I'. There can be a concept of a monster under the bed without there being a monster under the bed. But the concepts can make you turn off the lights and sprint to bed asap. What makes 'you' different from the 'monster under the bed' idea? Again, who is there to judge? You are talking as if 'you being' was a bad thing. Maybe you cannot unsee that, maybe you can, have you tried? When people call you crazy, does that immediately suggest that they cannot relate? Have you actually gave them the chance to relate in the first place? In order for someone to relate to someone else, there has to be a certain someone, right, and someone else to relate to. But what if there could be a believed thought of a 'false I' and overlooked 'true I', whatever that is, what would that mean? Would that for example bring up the possibility that someone could act as if they were not themselves and then if someone wanted to relate to them, they would just be missing the target by relating to the false I of the other person? Do you think it is possible that this is what is happening? You really don't need to understand anything, it's a matter of choice. One does not have to seek understanding if they don't want to.

Two years ago I contemplated suicide. Today I'm the most grounded, joyful and "alive" I've ever felt. I look back now on that time of immense darkness with nothing but love, for it created who I am today. Keep the faith, @Leilani. I know it doesn't feel like it right now, but one day you'll look back and see that what you're going through is all a gift in disguise. Remember that the universe works in mysterious ways. Thanks for sharing your heart. Love you.

NO! There is nothing loving about killing oneself. Do not romanticize suicide. I do feel compassion for those who take their own lives away -- because it means that the pain was so intense that the person could not put up with it anymore. It is a tragedy. Seek help! Feel free to PM me if you feel like talking. How can you be so sure about that?!

What an opportunity for you right now! I too was at the lowest low before I had my first awakening. Also with what I labelled a “terrible childhood” where I was sexually abused. I was thinking about suicide quite seriously even looking up ways to do it. I was 43yrs old. Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle also woke up whilst suicidal - Tolle at 29yrs and Katie at 43yrs. Theirs was instant enlightenment though. Their words and books have brought me out of another low this year and I share some of their words. “I discovered that when I believed my thoughts I suffered, but when I didn’t believe them I didn’t suffer and that this is true for every human being. Freedom is as simple as that. I found that suffering is optional.” Byron Katie “Life isn’t as serious as the mind makes it out to be.” Eckhart Tolle To realize that you are not your thoughts is when you begin to awaken spiritually. Eckhart Tolle Death is not the end of suffering if we die suffering. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if you end this life or not. You’ll continue to come back until you fully wake up. Which will happen. It’s just whether it happens in this life time or not. I am editing this to add an answer to your actual question and the answer being that there is no loving way to end your life. Love would see you asking for help and receiving it. Even screaming out “Please help me”. This is love, to yourself and others.

I was wondering - why do some people who have discovered their purpose like Amy Winehouse and Anthony Bourdaine and Robin Williams etc get depressed and commit suicide anyway? Whats lacking there?

There have been historical societies which venerated suicide - kamikaze in WWII springs to mind. But the consensus from Near-Death studies and spiritual texts is that a young person seeking to escape working through personal challenges via suicide will have to face them again in some other lifetime or other form. Hence, it cannot be advised (separate to the issue of voluntary euthanasia). And we are by no means here forever anyway. The best advice I can give is to 'die before you die'.

I can talk you through why I'm personally Anti-Lockdown / Against the nonsensical restrictions in the UK, I'll start with the restrictions. Personally, I think it goes a lot deeper, but Leo has made it clear 'Conspiracy Theories' are not allowed to be discussed on this forum, so I won't mention the deeper reasons. 10PM Curfew for Pubs- Lmao, this is probably the stupidest thing Boris (our PM) has ever done, all it creates is more- house parties, field parties, raves, crowded streets with zero security and social distancing, this will only heighten crime as well. Not to mention cripple the hospitality industry which has been shown to only be responsible for 5% of cases here, mostly of ages between 18-60, where the risk of dying is minimal. Also, if you go to one of these venues, you surely know the risks you are taking? Just cripples an industry for no reason really. 6 People Rule- Again, makes little sense to me why you can meet up with 5 friends but if you meet up with 6, you face a fine lol. Masks mandated in shops 24th July- At the 'peak' nobody wore masks, at the lowest the virus had been, suddenly they were mandated in shops, after our health advisor actually advised against wearing masks before this as in his words- ' the evidence shows they have little effect, and can actually do more harm than good in many cases.' Hm. New mask rule- This is the best one. You walk into a pub / bar etc with the people you're with, with your mask on, you get to the table and take it off, you then have to put them on again to leave the venue, just to take them off as soon as you're outside. Literal madness. Due to these new restrictions LOTS of people have turned their back on even listening to the Gov, and are not complying, even many police officers have said they have no way of enforcing most of these rules. Lockdown: Measures like this have NEVER been used for healthy members of a population, originally it was to protect the health service, but then continued for months afterwards. Now, people believe lockdown is the solution to this issue until a Vaccine comes, people forget we have a Vaccine for Flu and that still kills 100,000s a year. Asymptomatic Transmissions- https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-study-weak-asymptomatic-coronavirus-transmission , if anything it seems there is more chance of the virus spreading rapidly when a household member contracts it and everyone is cooped up inside, more so than passing someone for a few seconds when you are Asymptomatic. Remember, this was one of the basis for worldwide shutdown, without a true investigation into it. Destruction of small businesses & livelihoods- While trillion $ corporations have been thriving, small businesses are struggling more than ever, and this will likely be one of the worst recessions in a very long time. I feel if the population was asked at this point, most would be happy to open everything up, and those who wanted to shield themselves could do, and just limit contact between those leading normal lives, and the extremely vulnerable. The chances of dying for a healthy member of the working population is very minimal- Being realistic most people will not die from this, unless they have underlying health conditions / 75+ in age. Therefore, why are we not simply promoting natural health to the general public, what supplements to buy, best exercise routines, Wim Hof breathing, usage of Sauanas, etc etc? And, then protecting those it is actually dangerous for. I know the response will be 'but some 24 year olf who was perfectly healthy died of Covid' and, yes, I get that, but are those rare cases worth shutting down the world for? I can show similar examples of Flu deaths for perfectly healthy teenagers and young adults. Long term implications- In my opinion, the long term implications will cause far more suffering and problems than the virus will. I believe people often underestimate how much suffering & even death extreme poverty can cause, homelessness, mental health degeneration, suicides etc. If you think long term, I genuinely feel this could've been handled in a very very very different way to incoming economic doom that will lead to devastating effects in millions of people's lives. While suicides may not have doubled, they certainly have increased. We have had days in the UK where suicide has caused more deaths than Covid. That brings me on to my last point- Recalculation of deaths & testing issues- I have spoken to several Doctors at cricket, and read enough accounts of people stating how the Covid death figures are very generous. As in, you test positive Today, die of something completely unrelated in the next 28 days, and go down as a Covid death, or have stage 4 cancer, test positive for Covid, and again die 'of' Covid, even though, you were already dying. In regards to testing, the original inventor of the PCR test said his test should not be used in the diagnosis of infectious diseases, so why is it being regarded as the Gold standard? - https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/ This is without factoring in the lesser effects it is having on people, such as the extreme fear and anxiety. I know perfectly healthy 18-20 year olds who are afraid to leave their house & go for a walk still because of the Media & Social Media making this out to be WAY worse than it actually is. My mum for example has often said she doesn't know if she will ever go back to mixing with people and often feels live isn't worth living anymore. I don't see that maximization of Love & Consciousness. But, we all have different opinions on everything. Personally, I feel this should've been used as an opportunity for Governments to push healthier lifestyles, teach about nutrition on national levels, help people understand Vitamins & Minerals, learn about breathwork, learn how to boost your immune system naturally, while focusing on helping the Vulnerable & Elderly do the same & of course protecting them. But, at this stage, I don't think these restrictions are the solution for the vast majority of the population. My question to Pro-Lockdown folks, when does it all end? When we get a vaccine? When we get down to 0 cases? When we realize you can't suppress a virus forever. What about when there is spikes in years to come, do we continuously shut down the economy over winters? Are we going to do the same for Flu outbreaks? (50,000 excess deaths in 2018 from flu in the UK, but it never got mentioned) I'm sure you will all disagree with me, and call me 'low conscious' and selfish, or a murderer or whatever the latest insult is, but I just don't agree with quarantining healthy people, sorry, and think there are much smarter ways to deal with this. Instead of people actually evolving and becoming healthier, more conscious beings, people think a Mask & Vaccine is the be all, end all. While they continue to smoke, eat fast food, remain overweight and do nothing to improve their health, that is just very backwards to me. P.S. If anyone wants to have a chat about the deeper reasons behind all this, feel free to message me!

I always report him. It's over since July 2012! And I am like if you can't accept it you need a therapist. No therapist can help him because he doesn't take responsibility. He is a psychopath. Suicide is the only option for him. So I break in my own house? Really now? That bastard that is I think 50 years old still lives with his parents. It's 45 minutes drive to my house. My attitude was always.. When I don't like you I avoid you on every cost possible. I don't want to be surrounded with bullshit

A few random points to make. There was a viral post on Facebook claiming that suicide rates had doubled during COVID. And, you'll never believe this: it turned out to be fake news. There was no suicide increase. The point is that one has to be careful when making assumptions without looking at proper data. It should be OK to have reasoned debate on the topic, but unfortunately it will be difficult to present any anti-lockdown arguments without having one's position conflated with various selfish/irresponsible/misinformed fanatics who humiliate themselves daily. The main problem with COVID is the risk of a massive spike in cases as soon as control is lost. This is different from other forms of death that can be prevented with using existing knowledge. If the lockdown situation were hypothetically to continue for many years, then many of the anti-lockdown arguments would definitely gain mainstream acceptance. But we are not at that place yet.

@Leo Gura i attended a school in a not so good neibhorhood with lots of my friends from section 8 housings. After school programs, in school counseling & extra curricular activities saved many of these people from being a full time drug addicts headed down to crime & suicide. Fortunately the kids who are in bad shape were getting support in school.. not too sure how its going now but many of our schools especially in blue states have somewhat evolved from manufacturing 'another brick in the wall'

There are a lot of bad reasons to be anti-lockdown and against mandatory masking. Conspiracy theories, bad science, "muh freedoms", etc etc. However, I feel like there could be some reasonable logic behind the thinking of some people who are opposed too. Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deaths There's some good evidence to suggest that more people will commit suicide or die of an overdose as a result of covid lockdowns than from covid itself. The world economy got basically shut down for months, many businesses are still recovering or already went bankrupt. A deeper recession or even depression possibly looming when it all catches up with us. It's certainly hard to put a value on human life, but I feel like at some point we must, when it threatens to bring our economy to its knees to accomodate. 20%+ increase in domestic violence in most places during lockdown Depriving kids of a year or more of their childhood General quality of life decrease and isolation for everyone else in lockdown. Interruption to regular hobbies, activities, etc. I feel like it's a very Stage Green thing to do everything in our power to try and save everyone. People make emotional appeals saying that it's selfish to not wear a mask for other people's sake, you're killing grandmas, etc. Shaming people into it. But I feel like a Stage Yellow person might look at the bigger picture. It's unreasonable to think that we can save everyone. So we should take a utilitarian approach and maximize the happiness and well-being for as many people as possible. The elderly and immunocompromised are going to get an unfair deal either way... but it seems far easier to quarantine the old and sick in their homes and let everyone else go about their lives, instead of trying to quarantine the entire population. The old and sick will already have poor quality of life regardless, but now we're negatively impacting the lives of all young healthy people too in an attempt to save a few more of them. I think this is a pretty logical and rational position to take, and it shouldn't be too controversial. But when I try to explain this to people, they basically call me a sociopath. I'm curious what people here think. I'm open-minded to the fact that I might be wrong about this, and interested to hear any opposing viewpoints.

The suicide has nothing to do with the tax returns. Grifters

Trumps campaign manager just tried to kill himself. Are things unraveling for Trump? Two major hits on the same day. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/politics/brad-parscale-hospitalized/index.html

I have and still have some hppd. However it is treatable,mine is 60 percent better. I was also severely depersonalized. Idk if you know, but most ppl freak out, some even commit suicide. They should know there is help and meds available. Psychedelics can lead do death of brain cells and specifically the ones that produce gaba and inhibit brain signaling. Low levels of these neurons can cause epilepsy like symtoms, visual tripping and put you in hell.. But it subsides the brain is adaptive and deals with the mess.

Fuck that mystical shit that I said. I was high as a kite when I wrote that. And me being high fucked everything up in the first place. I held everything together until I decided to smoke a spliff. I will do what you said though. Yesterday she apologized for being emotionally closed off (although she wasn't) and that she forgot to text me when she arrived back home. Currently I'm stressed but not really stressed she didn't give me sex. She opened up a can of worms by dating me as an incel. Emotionally I feel attached to her because she pulled me out of my incel-hood. She is in no way long term gf material. I'm just emotionally fucked right now because this date put me out of complacency/apathy. I even had thoughts of suicide which is ridiculous, especially because she is no long term gf material.

Yeah! I'm still feeling that way. But without the suicide-part. Not sure if it's delusional or just spiritual awakening. There is really strong intuition that something massive is coming. Like everything around you is trying to point you towards yourself. The mind and the world are collapsing into one.

"What can happen if trump gets elected for 4 more years?" All speculation, but based on the path we're on.... Row V Wade revoked. Abortions illegal nation wide. Women's rights...gone. Obama Care revoked. Hundreds of millions of people without heath insurance. Millions will die and our government wont care. Separation of church and state revoked, America will be a Christian country. Christianity will be mandatory taught in schools. Anyone not Christian will be 'the enemy' and dealt with. People of color will be in more danger since the civil war. This is basically the South winning the civil war, just 140 years later. Black people will be rounded up and killed in the streets with no consequences. Possible Segregation laws revoked. Crash of the Economy. This will make the 'Depression' look like a walk in the park. Millions will starve, commit suicide, kill each other out of desperation. Rounding up and arresting of all political opposition. Rounding up and arresting of any opposition. Rise in Covid cases and deaths, with a government that doesn't care if its people die. Millions more will die before it's over. More laws protecting the Environment will be revoked, as more fossil fuels are produced to invigorate the failing oil companies. Accelerating Global Warming to ensure the destruction of us all. Rewriting the Constitution to ensure Republicans stay in power forever. Trump will hand over the rule of his Dictatorship to one of his sons. We will then have decades more of another Trump ruler. Free internet access will most likely be revoked, to stop the spread of dissenting information. Only pro-trump propaganda will be allowed to be seen by the public. Militarized police will crush any dissenting pushback of the people with deadly force. And that is all just the tip of the iceberg. Yes this is all speculation, but if you look at history, what is happening in other countries, and the way things have been going in our country, Trump will win, and it will be the end of our life as you know it. Don't think it can happen? Sorry to tell you, but it IS happening.

I've had psychotic symptoms after one really bad 5g trip. I thought I could handle them but guess I was wrong. It's actually a pretty scary story. The trip started good, learned a ton, had a breaktrough... But when I started to come down, I started to recieve advanced metaphysical teachings from a TV show that told me that I have to commit suicide. Freaked out completely. I was almost completely sure that I have to kill myself. It felt like everything I had ever learned about spirituality was actually pointing towards suicide. Yikes. Had to call an ambulance. The trip and delusions ended, but I was still scared shitless. Could not believe that something like this can happen. Some weeks later, the delusions came back. Started to recieve "signs" from TV, music, books etc. that told me that I have to kill myself. Got panic attacks, felt like suicide was "pulling" me towards it, kind of like when you are on a cliff or a rooftop and you feel a pull towards the edge. Feared that I might lose control over my body/mind and actually do it. Spent a week in hospital, took pills, and thankfully the delusions went away. Things are going better now, but there is still anxiety and some moments when I fear that the delusions might come back. I think I really have to face the fear of death to get over this. So in a sense, maybe it's a good thing. It forces me to go deep within and face my fears. It's been kind of rough because I'm really interested in reality/spirituality but it seems like at least for now, psychedelics are not a safe tool for me. I always wanted to be a psychonaut. It's been hard to let go of that identity/dream. @Leo Gura @Nahm Any thoughts/advice? Should I forget psychedelics for good or just wait a couple of years? There is a belief that I can't really achieve God-consciousness without psychedelics and it makes me sad. I really want to understand reality.

One thing i've noticed recently is how my resentment towards my parents is part of what's keeping me stuck. When i look at other people who are more successful and developed then i am, i think back to how i was raised and i blame my parents for me not being in a similar advantageous position. Even typing it it sounds stupid, i live in a little self contained bubble that allows for this kind of toxicity and delusoinal thinking. But it's true nonetheless. I wanted to be a great person, or at least have self esteem and self respect, quality relationships, and just a good life before i died. But here i am 25 going on 12, miserable, hermit, and doing nothing with my life. And i blame my parents for how i ended up like this. The worst part right now is that i feel like if i improve myself then i would be also doing something positive for my parents, But due to the hatred/resentment i don't want them to get that satisfaction so i end up punishing them and myself with this twitsted logic. It's funy because my parents do so much for me, especially my mom she tried her best for me and my brother to be succesful but we both ended up complete losers haha. I've developed this flat affect, sometime i just stare blankly into the open space while i feel my head. I've heard it's related to schizoid disorders. If i kill myself i wonder if i will get a better life. It would make no sense for god to punish itself for suicide, but then again it makes no sense for god to make itself miserable in this life time either. None of this shitt makes any sense, but given my present understanding i think suicide would be a disaster for future lives which is a main reason I don't really want to do it, but at the same i've basically completely given up on life so in some ways i'm already dead.