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@Gesundheit It is widely reported the extreme magnetism Ramana Maharshi had upon all animals, in fact he treated the same a cow or an squirrel than a human being. Do the research it will truly surprise u. And about the second message, I in fact just know a person that is buddhist and we have never talked about it. I am not buddhist (neither was Buddha), but he was a great sage and I really enjoy his teachings and his way. Never talked about anything of this, not because he did not know but just because he said it doesn't matter if u still suffer. I just enjoy his approuch and eternal state of bliss no matter what happens. Which is why I love him, because even though there is much more than what he ever said he was always in joy, peace and happiness; and, isn't that what we all want in our human existence? I just don't know why it triggers u this topic but is a thing u should definetely check, after u check how all animals went to Ramana

@Heart of SpaceYes, when you are enlightened you are naturally aware and relexed. But it is a big difference when you sit down and meditate. You can bliss out, go places... ? You can probably do that always, but im not there yet ?

I have the impression that If there is still suffering then it's not a full awakening. Fully awakened people who can meditate because they feel bliss when they do. There is no goal behind the meditation.

One of the things I realized is that no amount of money could make me happy. I've been imagining myself being a billionaire but not doing what I love... and finally understood that it wouldn't make me even 1% happier. I'd be still the same person, with the same fears, beliefs, and biases. Nothing would change in me. What makes me happy and fulfilled is doing my work, sharing my gifts with the world, and following my bliss. I wouldn't trade this for all the money in the world... I'm going to fucking die, some day, maybe tomorrow, who knows, life's unpredictable... I don't want to die with tons of regrets in my life... He'll no! And I'm not saying money is bad or is evil, in fact... I love money and one of my goals is to become a multi-millionaire, but... The key is to connect your life purpose, your life calling to your business so you can make money doing what you love. Your life might be different though, maybe you'll need to build a business that you don't enjoy doing it and make a couple bucks so you can have free time and money to invest into what you like doing, but... I decided not to go through that route... I enjoy doing what I'm doing and I'm learning so much about myself that I wouldn't trade it for anything. Plus, my life calling makes people's lives better, so... If by doing what I love, I can make money, I can grow as a person, and other people's lives can improve too... What else can I ask for? Like I said before, I still feel resistance like crazy, sometimes I don't feel like doing my work and cravings arise, but I'll keep pushing no matter what. Even if I don't achieve anything in my life I will die trying it. Don't sell yourself short! Don't let greed steal your happiness. "You have the right to work, but for the work's sake only. You have no right to the fruits of work. Desire for the fruits of work must never be your motive in working." - Bhagavad Gita

Nothing wrong with that. do as you wish. don't expect your bliss to open every door though so this advice is for guys who are wanting to improve with women. jinco jeans = pussy magnet

But L̶e̶o̶ Lyubov, what if my style + bliss is found in not worrying about appearence??

There are moments of oneness with the Beloved, absolutely ecstasy and bliss. That is nothingness. And this nothingness loves you, responds to you, fulfills you utterly and yet there is nothing there. You flow out like a river without diminishing. Irina Tweedie (Sufi Master)

Today has been a weird today. I'm feeling lazy so I'm just going to list what is going on. Feeling a little bit anxious so if you got any good thoughts/perspectives, thank you. I'm not on psychedelics, by the way. - "seeing" or "sensing" oneness/love/nothingess/Self through and within everything - constantly getting deeper and deeper insights & broader perspectives - short moments of absolute bliss & omniscience - feeling like I'm dying, or the reality is turning "inside out". This one is freaking me out. Subject/object is breaking down basically - energy "spikes" and other stuff in the body I've sensed this coming for a while now. But it seems you really can't prepare for it. It is way more radical than you can even imagine. Welp, whatever comes, comes, I guess. God help me.

All desires come from the ego-self, nothing wrong with that, it is just doing its thing. Trying to surive the things that are identified with. Your real Self is happy regardless of circumstance, real desirelessness is pure bliss. Here is the thing about those options, one could be see as trying to push something away & the other could be seen as trying to pull something towards you. I would actually do both at the same time, even though it might seem contradictory, it actaully isn't. By doing this you will begin to see the pushing & pulling you are constantly doing, the whole dynamic, & start to understand it for what it is. You can get the ego-self to desire to be in alinement with Being. It is a lot easier to do this when you see the whole dynamic of what the ego-self is doing.

Enlightenment I seem to be a feeling more than anything, a vibration maybe. Not thought, or a body, but a collection of systems within systems that give rise to this thing. But it seems to come together as a feeling imprint. And that feeling, vibration is constantly changing according to its environment. Changing growing, adapting. We could say that this thing is inside the infinite bubble of consciousness, like a bacteria inside the body's intestinals, they probably don't know what they are doing in there, but are affected by the body. Liver cells don't know probably either. Enlightenment seems to be a very honorable end. And that's the problem. Ending. Who wants to end? For example: Say, in this world we are like ice cubes. When we die after Enlightenment we liquify then diffuse. The body's atoms diffuse in the ground, our energy, etheric and consciousness diffuses and merge back into the All. You become nothing and everything. This ego thinks "you better think twice before you jump" ...is that what God is up too? I mean, if you think about it, it seems this has been going on for a long time. Ask the Enlightenment One what happens after they die. They don't have a clue. I suppose they are going to "sit" around radiating Love, then somehow start all over again, maybe create another big bang and another space/time event in some other dimension. It seems like getting this complex human together was no small feat, who wants to start all over? So Enlightenment appears to be very sacrificial because one is giving up their individuality altogether. At least for the reminder of their life they get to enjoy bliss. I know science can't ever understand the Absolute because science can only study the "dream" or the physical world. But God/Universe seems to be doing more. We have quantum computers coming online, gene editing, and space travel. Maybe the end of death itself. Maybe we could do a little 5 meo-DMT and see who we are then get on with creating a paradise on earth. Thank you

Because it's not direct and very badly fucks with your subconscious mind and memory! you gonna feel like you fucked your life FOREVER and damaged you psyche ,and you gonna be insane like this and psychologically damaged for fucking ever! and at the same time you absolutely know you are dying and time literally stops. I remember I was checking my phone every minute and time literally were stopped for me! one experienced the illusion of HELL in it's perfection! if you wanna try mushroom go for "Golden Teacher", never ever touch "Penis Envy Albino", this shit is literally pure poison! in my golden teacher trip "I" melted in love and bliss like something I've never ever could imagine! easily could surrender everything like how you surrender when you go to sleep, absolutely positive trip. but I don't call those "Penis Envy" trips bad trips because you can learn a lot from any experience really.

@deci belle Interesting take. I kind of agree, but it certainly is a very illuminating experience, ime. Shows the emptiness of the mind. And it is easily achievable by just noting over and over (viewing all experience as not-self) until there's less and less available to note until... GAP... then the bliss wave and insight. Of course, that is only the beginning, as I think you were getting at. Are you pointing to the fact that what arises dependent upon conditions does not actually arise? What is empty, is not empty? What is unfabricated, is not unfabricated?

Are you, are you Coming to the tree? Wear a necklace of hope Side by side with me Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree Are you, are you Coming to the tree? Where I told you to run So we'd both be free Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree Are you, are you Coming to the tree? They strung up a man They say who murdered three Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree Are you, are you Coming to the tree? Where dead man called out for his love to flee Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree "Red ball." I am now a representative for the human race to determine something cosmic, but I don't know much more beyond that. "Hunger games." "Harry Potter." "X-men school." mashup. I got my initiatory ticket. I had mentioned before, when posting in a thread about the Earth's representatives being butchered - the young autistic girl who's voice was drowned out - well, I was given a warning for being so forthcoming... and I ended up being correct - I am a representative of this planet. And my intent still stands that it does no one any good to damage those who are chosen for this task. If t doesn't go in the right direction - for all of humanity to wish for a greater outcome, at the end of the line - if you only wish for what is good for you - then those scales of judgement will not tip in our favour. It is imperative to have goodwill for all of mankind in your heart at all times. What is not delicious will be burned away until only love remains. If humanity goes past a certain point, nature has a mechanism in place to dissolve everything. You have that switch in you as an individual, and we have it collectively. As in: The dancing mania - a nam-shub - like as such: Flowbots - Handlebars "I put a spell on you. And now you're MINE." "Thank you Annie, for that marvelous introduction." "If you don't believe you better get superstitious." The anti-hero's journey is the journey of the ego, to try to fulfill itself on an ego level, and if we understand the journey - the anti-hero breaks the dharma to find a egoic love, a human love - that ultimately proves itself illusory and was willing to suffer death and eternal damnation all for the sake of love. A sattvic beauty to the determination to give up God for a phenomenal plain connection that one felt more of an emotional fulfillment from because one could no longer connect to God. That connection and the possibility of the real hero's journey had already been lost to the human consciousness. The sattvic version of it came down into a version of different kinds of quests that was on an ethical plane that often required a tragic sacrifice of one's life for a community - a giving of one's self for the sake of others. But then you get into the tomasic versions and it is all about the ego proving that might makes right and that it can overcome the system or it can overcome a counter-system - but it is part of an egoic collective system that it never separates from. So the postmodern ideological frame of reference in which people are born is that the ego is made into an artificial hero - a pseudo-hero - it's given it's golden spoon - it's grades - this allows the ego to go through a candy version of attaining some kind of status and prestige - but never goes through the rite of passage of ego death and tries to maintain a life as an ego, never separating from the biological family system or its role in that system and perpetrates it into adulthood that never reaches psychological adulthood. The ego, in its artistry of self-deception, splits and is able to fool itself until it gets into such deep water that it can no longer manage its fragmentation. And then the turning point is a karmic event in which its pseudo-heroism blows up and it collapses. And its that collapse that actually begins the journey. You have to hit rock bottom - a failure to use the "props to keep one's self up" - the addictions and so forth. Many people can ride high for a long time before that karmic event hits. Due to the pandemic, our entire society is going through a karmic event. (This is due to how we treat animals.) We are reaching the end of the era of ego itself. It is now the journey of a fragmented, scared, under developed ego that no longer has the support of all its previous illusions - an ego that never learned how to manage adversity - imperialism - always the Other who has to face the Nothing - and now it is Here. During these times, the ego sees the Nothing - nature in all of its wrathfulness, it is only when you have nothing that you have to rely on your own internal compass. Nature is warning mankind. Blue fires burning again, In my head, All the things we left unsaid, In my head And now a real hero's journey has begun - it is, you go on that journey or you die. If you don't, the lower death drive will take you. And you can't avoid it because each day the ego weakens, it gets more self hating, sociopathic - and so the ego today has to go through a real initiation that is motivated by fear. And in this context, the anti-hero has to go through a real initiation. Not of some heroic facade or pursuit that brings about achievement. When there is nothing left, when everything has broken you - you find that core within you or you die. This does not come from bliss, but through the dregs of the ego's subconscious horror and fight the real demons that have never been encountered fully before because you could pacify them with various addictive processes of shock absorbers that could keep you going. As it drops away and one fnds themselves having to face the horror of not having grown - we now return to the ancient levels of the hero's journey. The ancient future is forcing us to call up reserves of spiritual virtue.that we had not ha to call on that has atrophied and we have to call on powers within us that we always thought were Hollywood movie fake version that were just for play. And now we have to go all the way into ego death because nothing short of it will give us the strength we need. It's not in the ego.

Because there is still a subtle form of ego. Ego goes extremely deep. As long as you are physically alive there will be some ego. So yeah, utlimate heaven is only possible with mahasamadhi. But it gets already very heaven-like before that! Given that your awakening is balanced. I conceptualize the facets of awakening into these two categories: - Category A: no self Nothingness Imagination life is a dream ... - Category B: God Love Consciousness Infinity Bliss Peace ... If you have too much awakenings into category A without balancing it with category B you likely get depressed. But if you have a balanced awakening, a full complete awakenig, then that's no issue (once integrated).

Would constant awareness on the breathing work? I've tried a lot of times. And sometimes I get to that place of bliss. In that place, when thoughts arise, they can't touch me. Like...I see that they are just a thought. Not me. But then , maybe after an hour, I just give up: it comes a strong thought of identification ( they can be about whatever but they usually have a sort of an implicit negative aurea of "if you identify with this thought you will come back to the ego, don't do it". So fear arise in that fear I lose myself in the thought and I start to lose the bliss and awareness on the breath and so on. Do you think is there a point in doing this or I should just let it go and accept life it's not permanent. The ego state sucks so much compared to that present moment bliss ?. It's difficult to accept I have to live that state too. And most of the time btw.

I suppose i am somewhat spiritually talented as i am not super disciplined and consistent with my sadhana but i feel i managed to raise my consciousness a lot since i discovered the spiritual path (5 years ago). Had i few sober mystical experiences and a few fuelled by psychedelics. I rank myself at stage Yellow/turquoise on the Spiral Dynamics and Construct-Aware on the 9-stages of Ego Development. Yes, i know i could be overestimating my development but bear with me. I feel a huge "pull to God", constantly contemplating, being drawn to spiritual teachings, meditation, and all those things we love to blow our minds around here. As this development happened rather quickly, having a well-ordered mind, solid goals and routines seem almost impossible. Reality feels more and more fluid every-day. For instance, i can spend months away from family and this does not bother me a bit. This can seem cold-hearted to most people. I feel like i am on the "edge" of a huge breakthrough but i am also slowing down things in order to build a solid material foundation (solid business, financial independence) but this seems like a herculean task to accomplish. The fear is to be too detached from worldly matters like family, career, money, etc to deal effectively with it. Yeah, yeah, i know: "who is the one who fears", but still. There are those who the spiritual transformations made them don't give much of a fuck to survival of the body, which is against my life purpose. I do not want to go into some cave and bliss out of my mind until my body drops dead, but i do feel a pull toward this path. Even the gurus i most admire are Ramana Maharshi and Neem Karoli Baba, both were deeply detached from physical matters to the point of risking the survival of the body at any point if the disciples were not too careful about their "vessels". I just want to be financially independent enough to "let go" but this seems harder and harder each day.

%80 is the moment %20 is the thought process. Overthinking or repetitive thoughts doesn’t take place. Just decide and do it. Sometimes moment is too deep (if no thought process happens for long time) “you” disappear as sleep. And just “be”. Identification ends. Play the so called human character as in the game. Bliss, freedom and effortlessness which is the moment, which is you.

Have you developed your emotional mastery? If not, and you live in a first world country, I guarantee you that you have an emotional need for lack of ressources. And your subconsciousness does it's job to accomplish what you desire. Release on that need. If you are deep into the spiritual path your Emotional State might be centered around Acceptance and Peace. Now, if you really don't do anything you are living in the lower stages like Apathy, Fear, Grief. These stage are real action killers and will tie you down. Coming back to Acceptance and Peace, while you can accomplish many great things in these states, for some work it is better to actually drop down a level into Courage. Because when you are in Acceptance you might not be motivated to do anything and in Peace you can basically just bliss out the whole day accomplishing nothing and being okay with it. So to get into Courage rememeber times in your life where you really felt courageous, adventurous, certain or alive. And sit with it and meditate on them. Release on all the resentment you have on Courage.

Jhanas arise when the mind is very still, opposing intentions in the mind harmonize, and the result is out-of-this-world-intense bliss. It happens via both insight and concentration meditation, but mainly concentration -- not concentration as in sticking to the object, but through intentionally cultivating a sense of satisfaction every time you realize your attention is not as still on the object as you would like. No need to focus on the object to the exclusion of anything else, just allow your attention to rest on the object and your only intention at first should be to be on your toes to intentionally cultivate a sense of satisfaction every time you realize your attention is not as still on the object as you would like. Eventually mind will still itself and rest on the object -- because eventually from doing this, the awareness of the quality of your attention never goes away, and becomes monitored in real time and under conscious control. And then those competing intentions in the back of your mind (imperceptible) will calm down and you'll see what they were inadvertently covering up -- intense overwhelming satisfaction. It is unlikely to reach jhana without at least 45 minute sits every day -- preferably 1-2 hours. If you begin to feel a very intense pleasant body buzz, often (but not always) beginning in the hands or sometimes the face/smile or chest, ignore it and continue the breath/etc meditation until the buzz is impossible to ignore, then shift your attention in one motion to the buzz itself... it will dissipate or get stronger. If it gets stronger, you will soon be in the 1st jhana, at which point it's all over -- you're officially addicted to meditation, lol. The 2nd jhana (doing the same thing except switching your awareness from the buzz to the happiness it brings) is even better, and so on up to the 8th jhana. The first time you enter jhana it may scare you. That's normal. It won't hurt you. The pleasure is so intense you might feel like you can't breathe. Just be aware that's normal. Rather useless info, until later: Entering 3rd jhana: happiness -> peace (the rapturous buzz that is central to the 1st jhana and peripheral to the 2nd jhana disappears entirely -- happiness without the buzz that it seemed to arise from = peace) 4th: peace -> beautiful stillness (abandoning pleasure for something more exalted) 5th: stillness -> boundless space 6th: boundless space -> boundless consciousness (this is an incredibly intense mystical experience) 7th: boundless consciousness -> perception of nothingness 8th: perception of nothingness -> mind not landing on anything, not even nothingness Nirvana: lights out; perceived after the fact as a gap, like jumping forward in time with no space in between.

A good rule of thumb for where to start is always: wherever you feel most passionate and inspired. For example, if you feel inspired to start going to the gym, then start there. Don't let good passion go to waste. In other words, follow your bliss. Passion, acted up, builds on itself.

It sounds like you're on the way there? I'd say enlightenment is half ability to go into observer mode at will, and half realizing the Truth which is that everything is infinite consciousness. Not logically, but feeling it on visceral level. I actually had a cool experience this past weekend, did shrooms for the first time in a while and while I was definitely tripping, it wasn't that much different from how my life feels now. Like my whole life is a trip nowdays. Yes. I had a convo with a friend about this and wrote a few additional benefits: 1) Ability to let go almost immediately of any bad feeling / situation. 2) Ability to chameleon with people. Since you’re detached from ego, you can make it any way you want for other people. Shapeshifter without losing your deep identity. 3) Ability to think&act strategically. This is a huge one. Literally not caring about what anyone says or thinks, just following your path. Making moves you need to make. This is one successful people do anyway, but I feel like I can reach almost sociopathic levels of being strategic now. 4) Feeling of bliss to use for rest. This one is hard to explain, but I feel absolutely bulletproof, death doesn’t scare me, nothing anyone can do scares me, I see life as a game. I fully feel/embody knowing that this whole thing is a dreamstate and a game, absolutely nothing matters in the grand scheme of things, so you can do anything you want to do, strategically.

@kag101All I can say is that I have expirienced states of bliss during meditation, but that was temporary. Usually for a few seconds and then general calm after or abruptively gets out of it and then I get resentful for "fucking it up" whcih makes going back to being mindful very frustrating. But I might try it out if what you are saying is true. Every psychologist I have talked to recommended that I dont take meds though. That makes it very discouraging. Feels like no matter what I do I always fall bakc to the same baseline.

But bliss is still you.

Isnt that they both produce the mind dissolving effects which leads to bliss?

Bliss is just a feeling. A fantastic example of impermanence. Truth doesn’t care about your feelings.