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Space vs not space is a dualism. My initial impression of the this thread you started was that you were genuine and open regarding your question into nonduality. Yet it appears you are oriented toward arguing and defending a pre-conceived set of beliefs.

Sometimes it’s not about nonduality, religion, truth, dogma or even liberation. Sometimes it’s straightforward loss & suffering, and just saying “I don’t want to be alone, Jesus is with me, God watches over me”.

@Soul-lover 2020 Recognied by who exactly? Do you submit to another authority in addition to God? Gnostic teachings are the ones that haven't been bastardized. Even so there is a lot on nonduality in the new testament. I'm surprised the gospel of John even made it in.

Absolutely, my first time it was. Had no concept/belief/faith of nonduality, God, at the time as I considered myself an atheist. It completely ripped me into infinite pieces, scattered in infinite direction and distance. What had just been witnessed is the most terrifying thing any living thing could have experienced. Proceeded to do ayahuasca the next day, and imagine that^ but for 8 hours long.. Traumatic, yes. Will do again? Yes

Ken Wilber has often talked about both/and instead of either/or. That can be applied to free will. Do we have free will or is the universe deterministic? Stephen Wolfram has a kind of both/and answer: We can take advantage of that idea of both/and when it comes to our own free will. When we are uncertain about things or how to behave it's possible to let the universe unfold automatically, resulting in relief and a relaxation. And when there is something interesting to do then we can be engaged in the activities with a sense of having individual free will. This is even applicable to our own survival. Instead of struggling with survival issues, any personal problem in fact, then the practice is to let the universe do the job for us automatically. This will in turn lead to us doing things instead of always be passive since we are a part of the universe unfolding even as a separate ego, and even the universe itself in nonduality realization.

@seeking_brilliance I hear ya. That’s relatively true, but relative still. My comment was for you (not lots of parents). Honestly I never considered “unconditional love”, never pondered it. The second I saw my son, it was more than obvious. The bond is Love, prior to uncondition. Cosmic Love, Nonduality, entirely different, and exactly the same. From this basis, all things are possible.

Detailed answer in my journal: Nothing and everything is not survival. It's a paradox, and both sides of the coin are true, depending on how you look at it. If we examine any system that exists, whatever it might be, we will always notice the same dynamic. The parts of the system, in their struggle to survive against each other, are always working for the survival of the whole system. In other words, every part is an ego trying to survive itself but what the ego is blind to and cannot see, is that it's working for something greater than itself, whether it's aware of it or not. So, all the parts are trying to survive the whole. But part vs. whole is an arbitrary thing, and there are no parts to being with, parts are concepts. If we keep zooming in, we will always find more survival, smaller systems against each other. If we keep zooming out, we will always find more survival, larger systems against each other. But who is zooming in and out? Reality as a whole is not survival. Yet, all of its parts are. Nonduality is not survival. Yet, all dualities that constitute it are. I, consciousness, am not survival. Yet, I, human form, am. God is not survival. Devils are. The being of everything (existence) is not survival. Yet, the doing (which happens inside of being) is.

Hello! Ever since I've started watching actualized.org, I have been listening to Leo talking about how meditation is the number one habit that we must do. And after many videos, I decided to give it a try. I have been meditating for over a year now and all of a sudden, Leo does not talk about meditation as highly as he did. He says how meditation is ineffective. Now, is this because he is doing enlightenment and nonduality work? Or does he really think meditation is useless? What hurts me is that he even says how yoga is more effective than meditation, which utterly confuses me.

Many so-called spiritual people try to accept their own aging and death. That to me seems like delusions. Neither the nonduality path nor the religious paths actually solve the problem. To solve the problem of death we have to conquer death. This is the key for why all spiritual traditions fail so miserably. They try to accept death! In all kinds of forms. And many spiritual teachers even talk about death being inevitable. They are afraid of living forever! So their own minds have deluded themselves to believe death is unavoidable. They are more afraid of living forever than the fear of their own death. To conquer death means to live forever. No gravestone for you. You ARE the universe, so how can you be buried in yourself? Impossible.

@Jed Vassallo In the future, I envision gentle 5-meo vaping integrated to vippassana and nonduality. For example, a morning sober meditation followed by a nondualty discussion, followed by a gentle 5-meo meditation session, followed by another nonduality discussion to help integration - followed by yoga etc.

Leo asked us to contemplate the question: what in my life is not survival? I'll use the verb "survive" in the same weird way that Leo used it in the video. Nothing and everything is not survival. It's a paradox, and both sides of the coin are true, depending on how you look at it. If we examine any system that exists, whatever it might be, we will always notice the same dynamic. The parts of the system, in their struggle to survive against each other, are always working for the survival of the whole system. In other words, every part is an ego trying to survive itself but what the ego is blind to and cannot see, is that it's working for something greater than itself, whether it's aware of it or not. So, all the parts are trying to survive the whole. But part vs. whole is an arbitrary thing, and there are no parts to being with, parts are concepts. If we keep zooming in, we will always find more survival, smaller systems against each other. If we keep zooming out, we will always find more survival, larger systems against each other. But who is zooming in and out? Reality as a whole is not survival. Yet, all of its parts are. Nonduality is not survival. Yet, all dualities that constitute it are. I, consciousness, am not survival. Yet, I, human form, am. God is not survival. Devils are. The being of everything (existence) is not survival. Yet, the doing (which happens inside of being) is. Done.

Yes that's the only thing he wants, I first did not take it seriously but it is obviously immense suffering. I just see myself obtaining these healing magical qualities as the best way to do anything, I have been ignoring it for way too long. Nobody else except this wise lady was ready to offer help and she gave me information I really needed to know. When we talk about black magic, evil entities and possession, what are these things, because obviously they do not belong to us as the lady sad, she said they trick us and manipulate and then things became very complicated as she mentioned also reptilians and other races that inhabited earth and lured us back here after regressing, I have no clue If somebody knows more I'd be happy to know. I know this derails from the topic but could be good to understand what black and white magic are anyways. If they do not belong to us are they separate forces from the nonduality? Are they opposing the allmighty God and trying to do I don't know what?

@Kushu2000 Adwaitha - Non duality is first of all not a new age phenomena. The Vedanta or Nonduality of Hinduism predates all religions and the exact time when they were written is also not known exactly. Jainism predates buddism. Buddhism too originated in India 2500 years back the only difference between Adwaitha - Nonduality and the Buddism is that Buddha kept silent about the realisation and the buddhists disagree with the Final realisation that You are god to You are void.Adwaitha says Atman - Brahman - Parabrahman - Sat chit Ananda to the One Absolute Infinity. Buddism on the other hand says Annatta - No atman or nothing like Absolute Infinity God - Its just a void shoonya.Rest karma,Rebirth no difference between Adwaitha - Hinduism and Buddism. The buddism here I refer to the early buddism in India. Hence the debate between vedantins and Bhuddists says history. Later Buddism spread to Tibet,China,Burma,Thailand,Japan and I am not sure about their final conclusions. Jainism,Buddism is very strict about non violence,non killing of animals for food. Hinduism accepts the formless and form as gods and god in everything and hence God is worshipped as creator,protector,destroyer and Earth,Sun,Moon,Rain,ocean,Stars,Fire,Air,Animals,Trees,Plants all are worshipped.Literally everything - nature is worshipped( The religious part ). Yoga vashishta - the non dual teachings which were Given to king Rama by sage vasishta which was believed to be approximately 7000 - 7500 years back.So it is believed Vedas upanishads - predates that. Hindus never convert people.They dont say it is your religious duty to convert others to Hinduism. Church on the other hand says Christianity is the only true Religion rest all are false.It is duty of christians to convert others to christianity. Idle worship is a sin etc. The demeaning of other religions is part of conversion. I happened to hear a indoctrination on children about Yoga in TV.The child says pastor said Kudalini is said to be Serpant power and we know Satan is a Serpant and hence it is a sin forbidden to do yoga.It is against christianity and yoga will make the person impotent ???. I dont know what holy spirit is meant in christianity. But kundalini yoga is just one of the many yogic paths or ways to realize truth. Welcome to the jungle of Spirituality ???

As a Christian you separate the world into strong shades of black and white, so there is God and good and there is evil and demons. It's duality on steroids. As a kid I had impulses to accept the devil into my heart, and they drove me crazy. I later learned that those impulses were obsessive compulsive disorder, or I thought that they were. There would also be impulses to go places, pick up things and say or confess things. Those impulses were intuition, trying to get me to do a kind of shadow work and discover the truth of nonduality. They were my inner spirit. My love, faith and desire for Jesus and Truth was an open window to spirit at that young age. I was afraid and I slammed it shut. Only after I grew up and let go of my faith did that window open again. It kind of felt like someone threw a rock through it, but I guess I asked for it in a way.

It's funny that you just posted this now because I've been going through this, only for me it's a revival. I was raised as a Christian and my parents had already left the church and were bitter about the organized religion part of it when I was very young. I took an interest in it myself and studied my Bible on my own, mostly just the gospels but I also loved Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. There were a lot of verses that I would read again and try to understand. As a teenager and young adult I deeply, deeply hated other Christians and the status quo. It's like I wanted to suffer because most of the friends I made were Christian and those friends judged me for being friends with other people that they thought were "bad". I even had a Satanist friend and he was a blast. I was always trying to separate out the truth of Jesus from all the bullshit. I let go of the whole idea, shortly after getting into Buddhism. It's a really scary thing to step away from the thing that you've been taught is your "salvation" and "hope of eternal life". But I knew I had found the truth with nonduality. Those verses that perplexed me and frustrated me, one by one I understood them as epiphanies. My new dogma was nonduality. My new dogma was letting go of my past, not putting hope in a future. My new dogma was the present moment and nothingness, no attachment. Then after a few years it stopped serving me. My entire purpose for nonduality was so I could have mental peace. I became depressed and old patterns flooded in but at the same time, I started connecting deeply with different types of energy from places, and having inexplicable attractions to them. It all unfolded into an awakening in which I accepted that I had always tried to be good, and never recognized the devil in myself. I had been raised to be a moral, good Christian girl and I had truly wanted to be one. When I outgrew it I turned to Buddhism and non duality to serve the same purpose, so I could see myself as a good person. After I recognized the Devil in myself I truly experienced what is meant by the Holy Spirit, it is the same as kundalini energy. Of course! This is nonduality! My eyes were opened to the true mystic, Gnostic Jesus I had loved all along, more fully himself/myself. Christians have buried the nondual teachings and they don't understand the ones that persist in the Bible. They weeded out hundred of years ago. That's why it's so very dangerous, without an open mind, without wisdom and understanding you will turn nondual teachings into the worst kind of hell. I highly suggest reading the gospel of Thomas. Jesus goes way deeper than Buddha. He has an outrageous sort of love, and there are predictions and signs and tough riddles to understand that aren't present with Buddhism. It takes a very open mind to dive into this stuff.

You know what I am now? A bridge. I can sit through a church service and smile instead of fuming like I would even when I was still a Christian. I already had a nondual belief in God brewing as a kid. I decided that I would visualize him not as a man but as a lion. I got the idea from C.S.Lewis, and I thought Jesus could be someone else in a different world. Love doesn't burn bridges it builds them, it doesn't cut cords, it ties them. You say yourself, we have to integrate nonduality, all religions, science, philosophy, and technology, political science, and self help. What else are we doing here? We're a melting pot! A bridge!

@whoareyou Love is love. It's all love. There's a bigger picture than any of us can see as individuals. I see my picture and you see your's. Big picture thinking is hive mind, it encompasses us all with the connecting force of love, and together we see the Big Picture. I don't have a belief system, I have love for Jesus, which got bigger, and bigger even as a child it got big enough to encompass nature and animals and other people. Then nonduality taught me the real meanings of the verses I puzzled over so much as a kid. That love was a driving force. My purpose is only to connect with that in myself and others until that love gets bigger and bigger and bigger. My ego was disgusted by the use of psychedelics, but I wouldn't be aware today if others hadn't used them. So I love and accept them. You might be disgusted by Christians, and belief systems but they are a part of you as well, like every other religion. How can you ever interact with people below you on the spiral if you can't all encompass and embody the entire spiral as your self? This is how we awaken the world.

Advaita Vedanta understood this common fallacy of God and thus pointed something more skillful and deeper to seekers. But if you only stick with Leo, I mean if Leo is your ONLY source to educate yourself and building a solid intellectual foundation about nonduality and spirituality then you sure have many years of a rough, long road ahead man. Every week, he will come with more metaphors and ways of explaining this thing and every week you become more and more confused and frustrated lol. Paradoxes after paradoxes without any clue

“Isolation” and or “loneliness”...are fear of the actuality of nonduality (a veil)h. A fear of what is conceptually unknown, but turns out to be what you Know more than any concept. You’ve been calling Enlightenment with a Mandy-sized-meta-megaphone. Now that phone is ringing (kinda proportionately to your calling of it) , the ‘ringing’ sounds like fear, so you’re hesitant to answer. Pick it up, say hello? Just see who’s there, no biggie. Or don’t. But don’t not answer and spread your “not answering fear” around to those who love you unconditionally, who need you unconditionally. The ‘addiction’ will play itself out. You’re getting a lot, growing a lot, it’s useful. The perspective “addiction” denotes a sense of lack of attention elsewhere. If you could snap you’re fingers and one or two things would just be magically ‘taken care of’, what would they be? Opening the mind, going from dualistic asleep, to nondual awakened....you reach a point where understanding and Alone meet. If you seek enlightenment, yet still desire to be understood by another, inspect that desire. Get to the root of it. Why do I want / need to be understood? What do I gain when I’d understood? What would I lose if no one understood me again? Also, notice the Flip from thinking about what other people are thinking about you and what you’re thinking about yourself - to your actual experience here now. Stay in your actual experience. Thinking about what people are thinking about must go. Consider understanding someone, versus saying “you don’t understand!” to someone. Do you see how off putting that is? It only happens when you’re thinking about what they’re thinking about. It’s inherently insulting. With your dad...if you said “I’m crazy!”, and he’s been seeing a you which is liberating, freeing, filled with love & happiness...he’d probably laugh and say just be careful, or something light & similar. But he’s seeing emotional suppression, and he’s probably concerned for you. That is a very different “I’m crazy!”, and there is no need to put your dad through that. It comes on the foundation of needing to be understood. Accept that and do the work yourself. Don’t bug dad. He’s got his own experience. Be a positive manifestation of Love & Truth, bring that into his experience. Side note, be selfless to you hubby and kids. Then, when you’re filled with love & tears, and you’ve realized your grace & selflessness - then - through it in the garbage, and realize you haven’t even scratched the surface of the Love you can be in your family. You would not trade them for the world, so, don’t. There is a pace where you can have you cake and eat it to, a Right pace if you will. You’ll find that groove. The awakening is usually followed by big ups, and eventually big downs. The value of daily meditation, 30 mins, and hour a day - is really shining here. It becomes the Right, in the storm. Ya call the storm without the Right, it’s gonna be rocky for a bit. Smoother times are coming, all is Well, all is Divine. That made you who you are, This is too. Be patient, LOVE yourself unabashedly. I’ve seen only one other person which I would say was inexplicably “given” the gift of awakening. By given, I mean without years or decades of practices, trips, etc. Do not use your gift as ammunition to feed into thinking it is a “curse”. It is not a curse.

Nonduality does not eliminate duality. It's duality and more! Keep your mind to the stars but your eyes to your feet.

Ah. Isn't that always the way though with nonduality? Together but separate. Fulfilled but wanting. You have no idea how bad my heart breaks for certain countries and communities around the world. I know that I can only focus on the here and now and doing good, the law of attraction. You said that a girl in a bar that you felt obligated to talk to gave you the idea of becoming a life coach. Maybe I'm your random girl in a bar/forum. I've seen the signs.

Specifically because of this is why it's important to not throw away all of the dualistic definitions when dealing with those societies and cultures. Speaking in nondual terms to dualistic minds is like speaking Latin to a Korean. It's a completely different language that sounds like hokey to those who don't understand it. The trick is to be able to see both the nondual and the dualistic points of view. If you only accept nonduality, then you can't communicate with nondual people. If you only accept duality, you never see beyond your ego. It's like Inception, just with nonduality!

@tsuki If you think that I'm dumb, then keep that thought for yourself or fuck off. I don't need you, nobody asked for your help. You're talking nonduality metaphysical oneness and shit, but you don't embody it. That's hypocrisy. You don't tell the people you love they're dense, do you? Notice that you didn't criticise me, you offended my person. This is not cool.

@Sidra Damn, thats feel great!) Which one? Leo talking about that stuff for so long, that we already can't count. He more like Salesman here, who successfully pitched the idea, but the sense of God aren't builds only on Leo words, thank God for psychedelics, my abstract thinking and nature! LP course is super useful to become an "expert of yourself". You'll know not only your values, impact statement, zone of genius and strengths, but also weaknesses, fears, traumas and beliefs. It's the most easiest way that I know - system already structured, you only need to go on and do all the exercises. Videos, Books, Journaling, LP Course, Conversations, Psychotherapist, Girlfriends and Friends, Asking Questions, Psychedelics, Literature, Genuine intention to become fulfilled and happy. It'll be explained in LP course + watch video Understanding Meaning, Purpose, & Value Values grow and evolve as you are. As I've get it, the whole spiral dynamics are based on evolution of human values. At Tear 1 Stage-Beige is all about individual basic survival needs, at Tear 2 Stage-Yellow it's also about individual survival needs, but individuality moved from one person to all humanity and Earth, and resources for survival not food and shelter, but information and understanding. The same thing with Stage-Purple and Stage-Turquoise, but instead of primitive spirits of Forest and Wind, there's a deeper understanding like energy, quantum physics, nonduality etc. So the point of knowing your own top values is in navigating yourself toward life and decision making. Of course, values can be changed and we should remember that those are just concepts, but you always value something, question is are you aware of it or not.

Ok one lasttttt point. You said you don't "understand enlightenment". Yeah good. Don't try to. Only look for yourself. What doesn't move? Your face can be replaced, your lungs... replaceable, liver, heart, intestines...all replaceable. So what is this thing that isn't being replaced. What isint moving? Your arms and legs could be removed and yet, you would still be here, no? This should be your only concern. Literally, the only question that you should be asking is "who am I" or "what am I" this is the key. Anything else is distraction. Your wondering ok well when will I know to look at other videos about spirituality and enlightenment? You'll know when the time has come. I'm not saying don't want spiritual videos, they keep you motivated. Only look for yourself, for all of the questions you could possibly ask all stand on the assumption of there being a you. Do not believe anything on this site. Do not believe me AT ALL. This is a huge trap. I'm not just saying it to be spiritual and wise looking...if you believe me, you will not succeed in your search for yourself. Remember, every time you think "aw shit I don't get any of this nonduality shit" just do the practices and look for this "I" you mentioned. That is all. Literally..no more. Look for yourself. Bye