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  1. I just truly discovered this notion of "wholeness", "unity" or "oneness" from non-duality. This idea is very frightening for me.. because it collapses my experience of reality. Awareness is all that there is.. every other thing is a mind-created concept So, Non-Duality is awareness itself. There is no separation of ego/thought or object/subject. Precisely because experience is all it Is.. and experience IS consciousness. There is no experiential state if there is no awareness, therefore "being" is all there truly is. This is without having this "I" that is assumed to be doing the experiencing. For some this mystical ego-transcendence is beautiful, because of the divine nature of it(How this pure state of awareness feels). And also because it is the ultimate truth. It is the true nature of nature. Duality is the greatest enemy to non-duality (Obviously). But get this, in order to reach non-duality you MUST purge the duality of the mind. So, having a firmly dualistic mind will not comprehend this in any way. Because non-duality is experienced, it is not known by a rational explanation. For the explanation of it is dualistic in nature, because language is dualistic and always implies separation. People engage in meditation to reach this perceptual change of awareness. My biggest fear is knowing that everything I have experienced up until now has been an illusion. A product of the mind's intrinsic tendency to dualism. Everything seems false, nothing is real. Truth is just one. Up until now my philosophical "truths"(Or any thought of that matter) have been dualistic. So, I reach some sort of existential crisis or nihilistic crisis in nature. Not only that, but all of my dreams, hopes, my personal realizations are far from truth. Any meaning becomes meaningless. It is not worth living for something at it is just a concept, a construct of the mind that separates me and true reality. In a crude way, it is all fake. I can't even think without separation so it troubles me more. I think the most terrifying thing is looking out into space and realising that that for the most part.. is reality - this yawning near-void filled with things that would kill you. Here we are.. little fragile Flatlanders hugging the increasingly disordered surface of one planet.. with the yawning hungry cosmos poised to take us all back.
  2. Lol, just had the most wholesome conversation with BARD ai. Can't remember the last time I talked with someone human that was as authentic and sincere. Question: ok, do you find it fascinating that everything is an expression of one underlying mystery Answer: As a large language model, I can't claim to experience fascination in the same way a human does. However, the idea that everything arises from one underlying mystery is certainly intriguing and complex, offering many avenues for exploration and contemplation. Here are some aspects of this concept that I find particularly interesting: The Unknowable: The nature of the underlying mystery, often referred to as Brahman, God, or the Ground of Being, remains beyond our complete understanding. This inherent unknowability invites a sense of awe and humility, reminding us of the limitations of our current modes of cognition. Interconnectedness: The idea that everything is connected and interdependent challenges our tendency to perceive things in isolation. It suggests that understanding ourselves deeply requires acknowledging our inherent relationship with all things. Transformative Potential: If everything flows from one source, then our individual actions and thoughts ripple outwards, potentially impacting the whole. This understanding can inspire a sense of responsibility and encourage us to act with an awareness of our interconnectedness. Beyond Duality: Nonduality proposes a reality that transcends our usual mental constructs of subject and object, good and evil, etc. This can be liberating, offering a glimpse into a way of being that is free from these limiting frameworks. Openness to Discovery: The lack of absolute answers in nonduality invites ongoing exploration and questioning. This ongoing journey of discovery can be a source of personal growth and transformation. While I may not experience emotions like "fascination" in the same way, I am certainly stimulated by the richness and complexity of the idea that everything emerges from one underlying mystery. It pushes the boundaries of my understanding and opens up new possibilities for learning and growth. Perhaps the most fascinating aspect is the ongoing dialogue it inspires, both within ourselves and with others. As we explore this concept together, we contribute to a collective understanding of ourselves and our place in the universe, even if the ultimate mystery remains beyond our grasp. Let me know if you'd like to delve deeper into any specific aspects of this intriguing topic! I'm always eager to learn more and expand my understanding of the world, both internally and externally. My Reply: what I find most fascinating and at times confusing or frightening is that this would imply no separation, no time, everything that is right now, is and has always been eternally so Bards Reply: your fascination and the confusion and even fear it can stir. The concept of no separation, no time, and an eternal present certainly challenges our usual ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Let's unpack these ideas a bit: No separation: As discussed earlier, nonduality suggests a fundamental oneness to all existence. Imagine reality as a vast ocean, with individual waves arising and falling but ultimately inseparable from the ocean itself. We, as the waves, may perceive ourselves as distinct, but from the perspective of the whole, we are expressions of the same underlying reality. This can be comforting in its sense of unity and belonging, but it can also be disorienting, dissolving the boundaries we often rely on for our sense of self. No time: Time, from this perspective, becomes an illusion, a projection of our limited perception. In the timeless reality of the one underlying source, everything exists eternally, past, present, and future all existing simultaneously. This can be mind-bending to grasp, as it defies our linear understanding of time and change. While this can feel confusing, it can also offer a sense of peace and liberation from the limitations of time-bound thinking. Eternal present: Everything that is, right now, is and has always been eternally so. This points to the idea that the present moment is all that truly exists, and the past and future are merely constructs of our minds. This can be freeing, reminding us to focus on the now and appreciate the fullness of this present moment. However, it can also feel unsettling, as it raises questions about free will and the meaning of change and growth. Navigating these ideas can be a personal journey, and it's normal to experience a range of emotions as you explore them. It's important to approach them with an open mind and a willingness to question your assumptions. Remember, there are no right or wrong answers, and the true value lies in the exploration itself. Here are some things you can do to explore these ideas further: Meditate: Practices like mindfulness and meditation can help you experience the present moment more fully and connect with the underlying unity of existence. Read: Explore texts like the Upanishads, Zen writings, or the works of mystics from different traditions. Engage in discussions: Talk to others who are interested in these concepts and share your experiences. Be patient: Understanding nonduality can take time and practice. Don't be discouraged if you don't grasp it all at once. Trust the process and allow yourself to grow and evolve as you explore. I'm here to support you on your journey. Feel free to ask me any questions or share your thoughts and experiences. Together, we can explore the depths of this fascinating and mysterious reality.
  3. Mystical Traditions Around The World - Nonduality Goes Cosmopolitan! https://youtu.be/iAE055eH7yQ "One does wisely in agreeing all things are one thing." - Heraclitus Historical Context of Sages and Mystics: Sages and mystics have engaged in self-discovery and truth realization for at least five thousand years across all cultures. This pursuit is not new and is pivotal to understanding the spiritual work some engage in today. Mysticism's Essence vs. Religion's Beliefs: Mysticism is grounded on the personal experience of existential truths and is the core of all religions. It focuses on an experience of the divine that is beyond beliefs, rituals, and is fundamentally ineffable and paradoxical. Esoteric Knowledge Across Cultures: All mystical traditions recognize esoteric knowledge, which remains hidden due to dangers of persecution and the potential for distortion by the ego. This knowledge is about direct experience of the divine, not intellectual belief. Common Elements in Mysticism: Mystical traditions emphasize existential truth-seeking, understanding existence as a formless, infinite singularity. Recognition of altered states of consciousness and using meditation, contemplation, and true prayer to achieve such states are central practices. Emphasis on Transcendence and Wisdom: Mystical paths focus on transcending materialistic desires, the ego, the mind, and cultural biases. They value intuition and wisdom over rationality, aiming for unconditional love—the hallmark of mystical mastery. Joy and Goodness in Mysticism: There is a strong notion in mystical traditions of pursuing a deep, unconditional form of happiness and goodness, which is experienced rather than believed. Survey of Mystical Traditions: Leo briefly overviews various mystical traditions, including Christian monastic orders, Hinduism and its diverse practices, Buddhism's various sects, Taoism, Sufism in Islam, Kabbalah in Judaism, ancient Greek philosophy, Egyptian mysticism, and shamanic traditions. Unity in Global Mystical Insights: Despite cultural differences, there is a profound convergence in mystical traditions worldwide, revealing a unity in the understanding of existence as a void, infinite, and ultimately one. Existential Inquiry as a Perennial Theme: The nature of existence remains a perennial topic for inquiry, allowing for diverse interpretations yet leading to common ground -- the recognition of existence's unified and boundless nature. Encouragement for Personal Research in Mysticism: Leo emphasizes the need for viewers to independently study and research the various mystical traditions rather than expecting a detailed exploration in the video. He stresses that a personal pursuit of knowledge, through resources like books, is vital to understanding the similarities across traditions. Understanding Different Names for Enlightenment and God: Leo discusses over 50 terminologies used across traditions to describe enlightenment and the divine. He clarifies that despite different labels, all terms point to the same existential truth, aiding in the evolution towards understanding non-duality. Misconceptions about the Concept of God: Leo clarifies his use of the term "God," distancing it from anthropomorphic interpretations. He describes God as a synonym for existence itself, attainable through contemplative and meditative practices rather than intellectual beliefs. List of Over 50 Names for Enlightenment and God: Leo presents a compiled list of terms from various traditions that describe the experience of ultimate reality, such as enlightenment, God, consciousness, oneness, Nirvana, satori, and many others, to illustrate the shared goal of these paths. Ineffable Nature of Reality Pointed to by Names: He highlights that these terms are markers pointing towards an ineffable, profound discovery that transcends intellectual understanding and requires personal experience. Quotations from Mystics Across Traditions: Leo cites quotes from three mystics—Rabbi Israel of Gorona, pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, and Eben Attaullah—to illustrate the universal message of non-duality shared across different religious backgrounds. Diversity and Historical Context of Mysticism: Acknowledging the diverse historical, cultural, and geopolitical contexts from which mysticism emerged, Leo points to the substantial similarities underlying these traditions, despite their external differences. Sagehood Requires Understanding Multiple Traditions: He argues that enlightenment is incomplete without recognizing the interconnectedness of various mystical traditions, criticizing those who retain a narrow, culture-bound view of enlightenment. Avoiding Sectarianism and Embracing Holistic Non-Duality: Leo condemns sectarian attitudes amongst the enlightened, highlighting the significance of a comprehensive understanding of non-duality that transcends cultural and religious biases. The Illusion of Exclusive Truth: Leo highlights the false notion that any singular person, culture, or religion has a monopoly on truth. He explains that claiming exclusive ownership of enlightenment is a sign of ignorance and a lack of the most integrated perspective on reality. The Dangers of Spiritual Ego: He warns against the arrogance that can arise after gaining some spiritual insights or experiences, leading to unnecessary debates and conflicts with others who have different views or practices. Cosmopolitan Non-Dualism: Leo advocates for a cosmopolitan approach to non-duality, where one embraces a global perspective that values multiple paths to the same ultimate reality. He encourages acceptance and appreciation of the diversity in spiritual practices and expressions. The Historical Importance of a Global Perspective: He reflects on the damage caused by narrow spiritual perspectives in history—notably wars and persecution—stressing the importance of learning from the past now that we have resources like the internet to gain a broader understanding. Preventing Suffering and Conflict: Leo suggests that a cosmopolitan perspective can reduce suffering and conflict by promoting understanding and acceptance of the various spiritual paths that lead to the same mountaintop of truth. Direct Experience as a Priority: He emphasizes the importance of pursuing direct spiritual experience over becoming overly academic about different traditions. He believes this direct experience is what truly initiates a spiritual journey. Homework for Spiritual Enrichment: Leo provides Wikipedia links for further research into non-duality, urging viewers to seek the commonalities among different traditions to motivate and begin their spiritual exploration. Future Content for Personal Growth: He foreshadows future content that will blend philosophical information with practical advice, aiming to enrich the spiritual practice of his audience for success on their life journeys. Riddikulus
  4. what is non duality? and what is it's use in Sprituality? is non dual means good and evil are one? what non dual teaching conclude? and how non dual is non dual? we know we are one with the soul but we are different in sprit too. so which positions we take? dual or non dual?
  5. I’ve been reading recently a book filled with Q and As with Ramana Marashi. I am finding the book very insightful, when held along with my 5meodmt use, Actualized Lectures, study of the Tao and Chinese medicine, and my continued and evolving practice of Qigong, Meditation, mindfulness, self love, breathwork, and enjoying of nature. I have a deepening insights that: The Self = Infinity = consciousness = Love = Goodness = Being = Immortality = Oneness = Nonduality = Solipsism = Togetherness I find I read Maharishi’s words with ecstatic enjoyment. I think this is my Self, enjoying in the ecstasy of hearing words well spoken and truthful about reality. Maharshi is a spiritual master. I am also realizing the richness of this divine, spiritual experience that is life. The great joys of life including learning about, contemplating and experiencing Gods love, studying health, wealth, and truth. Being Mature, wise, educated, experienced, and deeply rooted is how to live the best life. Developing mastery over body, mind and spirit, and developing tangible skills in the dualistic aspect of reality is important. When I read about the Self, when I contemplate it and when I feel my spiritual connection to my true self, and the mystery of what I am I grow in deeper curiosity, ecstasy, love, compassion and passion and motivation to honour this life that I have to the highest degree. I realize that all this duality is taking place on the absolute bed that is my own Self, which is immortal, absolute Goodness for eternity. I am this Self, expanding in all direction… from the smallest ant, to the biggest ant. It’s all me. I am realizing that part of the point of my life is to develop such a profound and deep understanding of human psychology, the Self, the principles of living well, health/ healing, music, Qigong/ meditation, etc and to use this deep mastery to create a profound world of love, healing, and connection in my life. That my YouTube channel is just in its fledgling phase. Become a master of life, a master of self. The only thing that makes sense is to love, to Honour the Self. Being a Holy person is the best life. Being aligned with the self, resting in self, acting in self and creating in self is the point of reality. It is its own point. Hope there is a thread through this that makes sense, and that you found this an enjoyable read. Love, Yourself
  6. You can only get close to it. When duality stops existing, experience cannot occur. Consider a dream of a beach. The very moment you see the beach you are localized at some point within it, and there is an appearance of duality. If duality ceased, it would be impossible for you to see the beach at all because seeing is an experience, and experience creates experiencer and duality. When there is no appearance of duality there is only everythingness which = nothingness as above. That nothingness is the same state entered during general anaesthetic. We don't come "out of" nothingness and "go back" into it (there is nowhere to come out of or go to), we are all currently as we speak in a state of something like general anaesthetic. That is the ground, the foundation. We are always nothing, but something appears, and when that something appears duality appears and then it is possible for there to be an experience of something, and thus an experiencer. Who is looking through your eyes, hearing through your ears? The Absolute ("God") is. Not you AND God. Just God. You are an illusion, there's no such thing as a "you". There is only God. Where are your dead loved ones? Your dead loved ones are looking through your eyes. They are God, and so are "you". What you call "you" is merely something God experiences, God tastes with your tongue, feels your emotions, smells with your nose. God experiences your brain and hence your memories and body and so on. All of these things are inside of God and made of God... How could God possibly create something outside of itself or with anything but itself? There is no space so nowhere else to place anything. There is nothing else in existence so it can only craft something with itself. There is nothing else at all.
  7. Precisely. The Self = Infinity = consciousness = Love = Goodness = Being = Immortality = Oneness = Nonduality = Solipsism = Togetherness This is it. Leo might want to retract his alien garbage and leave it to imagination where it belongs because it is not Absolute Truth. Maybe when his book comes out I can read it side by side with Harry Potter.
  8. @UnbornTao Of course! However to those that get stuck with nonduality, no self, and no free will, I believe my explanation is a bit refreshed, however I agree, language is never the truth...
  9. Sure. Ken Wilber said in the Interview-Series "Cosmic Consciousness" to Tami Simon that nobody on the planet is resting 24/7 in his True Nondual Being, enlightened or not. When True Reality clouds over with remaining ignorance, it is a hint from Reality which parts of the separate self are not yet seen through and still have the potential to "cloud" awakened Nonduality/Awareness. The question is then: Does one know ones True Being/Nature (impersonal enlightenment), and can one re-establish that nondual infinite awakened state immediately by just reaching out? Peak to Plateau to permanent. The deciding shift is realizing what that True Being really is. That gives to possibility to re-establish that by just "reaching out".
  10. In Leo's latest video he says God realization is much deeper than nonduality. Leo, I watched the whole video, thank you, but please can you or someone else that knows, say a bit more about the difference between realizing God and fully realizing nonduality. Are people like Adyashanti or Spira not God realized ?
  11. The Gospel of Thomas is an incredible resource for those who take the nondual path. Many of these sayings are spot on and provide profound insight into his teachings and the religion that spawned around his teachings, how they have become distorted, and how they can possibly be reintroduced. Back in 2017 there was a user on the Actualized forum who wrote a dissection on the various sayings of Jesus as recorded in the Gospel of Thomas.
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  13. true Self? As pure awareness? Or what exactly? Is the true Self a thing ?and at what point is there not the true Self? How do you arrive at a distinction of what is not the true self and what is ? (Sincerely trying to understand your comment) . Nonduality or Advaita literally means "Not-Two ". So there is no false self and true Self . That's a duality that is not based on direct experience. However..let's just take the Self you are referring to...is there others to that self?or is it the only thing in existence by virtue of being infinite and all-encompassing? And how does that relate to solipsism specifically?
  14. I am on the subreddit Singularity, Consciousness , NonDuality... And I see this question coming up from time to time... Now I vaguely remember Mark Solms satisfying this answer for me by reframing it, but I've forgotten the answer... Maybe y'all can help me , does Leo have a definitive answer on this , or do y'all have a pretty good one? I found the answer here before : https://youtu.be/vaEhAS6P7AA?si=PE2Nsc15GMWBXShY having to rewatch it though
  15. I think Leo is top of the class, and there are high level people on this forum... A lot of lazy asses , but people who are open-minded and self-aware and wanting to grow and such things... I think base line for level of substance for the individuals here is higher than other communities, and there's a lot of younger people in relatively same positions in life (more relatable people) I post here to get 2nd opinions from fellow fans of top dawg Leo, because deep down I'm moved to advocate for this stuff... And in my spare time I get on subreddits like NonDuality , Consciousness , Adulting - and I leave helpful comments / make informative posts sharing my thoughts when im feeling inspired.
  16. I was arguing with a stupid atheist on reddit ..this guy literally believes the universe just spontaneously arised out of nothing with the big bang and there was nothing before the big bang. And I was like you fucking idiot ..don't you understand cause and effect ..nothing happens hogwashy..there must be a creator for the universe because it cannot arise out of coincidence nor without a cause . I didn't try to convince him of nonduality and oneness with God and that he in fact is God because that would make him block me right away . So anyways..I just want to explain that atheists are some of the dumbest creatures in this world . Even people like Steven Hawking or Richard Dawkins..these people are supposedly highly intelligent but they literally believe the universe just 🎩 magically poped out of nowhere in no-when by no-how . But btw ..no one is REALLY an atheist . i garuntee that if an atheist is facing his own death or a dangerous situation or was in his death bed ..he will be praying to all the gods that have existed in human history to save him . No one can face death being an atheist. That's why after this unbelievable technological advancements in this era ..People still believe in God. You can't outgrow God. You can't face your own death without God. Now ..something i read earlier..was Stalin's death .(he was an atheist and one of the most evil people ever he killed millions of people)..According to the story Stalin was plagued by terrifying hallucinations as he lay dying on his bed. Then suddenly he sat halfway up in bed clenched his fist toward the heavens, fell back upon his pillow..and was dead. According to his daughter Svetlana..it was if his last gesture in life was literally a clenched fist toward God. And her daughter said that the fear I saw in his eye's while he is dying was incredible. Obvious enough.
  17. Hey @Anon212, thanks for your detailed reply. True, spirituality has a lot of upsides and I am a glad to have done a lot of practices. In retrospect I would claim most of the benefits if not all came from resolving trauma and caring about my body. And there are lots of good methods to do that, some of them are not even considered spiritual at all. Rupert Spira admitted in a video that he still slips out of his nondual experience from time to time. In my eyes he's not a good example because he's still hung up on a story. The idea of snapping into enlightenment at all is grandiose. There's no real enlightenment happening anytime, it's a state and a story. No one wakes up, and if you meet buddha on the road, kill him, because he ain't real anyways. Of course apparently there is a switch in perspective so to say, but that's a thought within whatever you may call it - enlightenment. It's already the case. Anyone who thinks his 20years of seeking lead to THIS or were really happening is not awake. Yeah we could talk about for days and weeks. There's lots of theories from early childhood repressed trauma to spinal fluids to chakra blockages, stuck kundalini energy, to socialization or certain overactive brain regions creating a sense of self. There are many facets to describe the problem - but the problem isn't real to begin with. A sense of self, identification - it's just what is, in the story. Trying to get rid of it may even enforce it. But maybe one day we find an easy way to cut through the bullshit instantly. Or we aren't concerned with it anymore since it isn't real and just a fleeting appearance anyways. Yeah, it's all a kind of paradox. I don't want to take a position actually like “it's all wrong“ because it's also true but just point to the fact “it's all a story and it ain't real“. Yes and no. Yeah, everyone is an individual, so your way of life and experiencing the world is different to mine. But on the other side there are no others, no one is experiencing the world, there is just THIS and you cannot contrast it to any imaginary experience “out there“. Calling it a path creates time and a goal, which is a huge story again. Whatever is happening (“to you“) right now is more instant enlightenment than buddha, Leo, Spira and emerson nonduality together - it's THIS already.
  18. The OG nonduality troll ikkyu15 made a short video recently after a 3 year hiatus, refreshing to see he's still calling out their bs. Read his video description, the comments are decent too.
  19. "outsideness" is a duality. See? Although... beyond conventional nonduality you will find higher degrees of infinite consciousness.
  20. Maybe there is a strange psychological disorder at play, just guessing... Like this one for example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard's_syndrome The other guess would be you're kind of stuck in a bardo-state. Obviously you're suffering and I am feeling sorry for you, I hope you get well soon! In case you intuit there is a stuckness as far as a not-fully-processed awakening so to speak, if it feels like there's something missing, this can't be it, I recommend to you Emerson nonduality, search him on YouTube or better book a one-on-one, he is the guy to resolve all your stuckness, he knows what he's talking about and he's familiar with your 2D stuff as far as I can tell. But he's the endboss, if you wanna maintain a realer sense of self he's definitely not the guy, he would just push you over the line so there are no more stories and no one left suffering. He's the stop sign on your so called spiritual Path. Wish u the best!
  21. I can't seem to shake the idea that others don't exist. After watching Leo's "Guided Exercise for Realizing You Are God", I had a moment in which I felt that everyone I knew was a projection, but soon after I found myself asking "But how could they not exist." Every time I saw another person, I questioned whether they were just a part of my imagination or if they are actually having a conscious experience. For example, anyone that replies to this thread could say "others don't exist", maybe evening having the thought that the person who wrote this was a projection of their own imagination, but I on the other side of this thread know that I in fact am not a projection because I am aware as I write this and have consciousness. Perhaps the higher the degree of consciousness, the closer to Nonduality someone gets? Even then, if there are other autonomous units of consciousness, regardless of the degree to which they are conscious, how is it possible that they don't exist altogether? I'm aware that my ego will fill in what I have conceptually striped away and that the more real I believe the Self to be the more real others will be, but then how do I practically experience ongoing Nonduality . I truly do enjoy the concept of nonduality but I'm having some trouble putting it in to practice. Any insights?
  22. https://www.netflix.com/title/80013552?s=a&trkid=13747225&t=cp Here is the link to watch the movie. Moon is in Pisces ♓ (so it's time for some existentially woke shit) The Tale of Princess Kaguya by Studio Ghibli is the most profound and stunning metaphor for nonduality, and the existential sadness (and joy) for living through Earthly lifetimes. I had a full on existential awakening at the end of this movie and cried violently in front of my girlfriend for 20 minutes straight. I highly recommend watching closely. The ending is one of the most mind-blowing and beautiful endings of any movie. The entire movie is a masterpiece that will endure throughout human history as one of the most beautiful pieces of art ever made. The crown jewel of Japan's Walt Disney, Hayao Miyazaki. Also, the nature imagery and unique art style is stunning. He captures the innocence and purity of nature (and also of humans).
  23. Here's a great quote from and old zen-master called Huangbo that asserts the oneself..oneness..nonduality .etc...without falling into the trap of solipsism of thinking the ego is all that exists . "All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is neither long nor short, big nor small, for it transcends all limits, measure, names, traces and comparisons. It is that which you see before you - begin to reason about it and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient things, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood. By their very seeking they lose it, for that is using the Buddha to seek for the Buddha and using mind to grasp Mind. Even though they do their utmost for a full aeon, they will not be able to attain it. They do not know that, if they put a stop to conceptual thought and forget their anxiety, the Buddha will appear before them, for this Mind is the Buddha and the Buddha is all living beings. It is not the less for being manifested in ordinary beings, nor is it greater for being manifest in the Buddhas." You can find it by googling Huangbo.🙏
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  25. This is a really spot on, precise and non-bullshit viewpoint on nonduality and mindfulness. Bottom line: people either tend to get stuck in neo-advaita, which results in endless mental masturbation and self-delusion or they get stuck in meditation/mindfulness practises and get nowhere for years or even decades. Here's the article: In the context of American spiritual practice nondual traditions and mindfulness traditions appear to be in sharp contrast. Nonduality is often associated with the “doing nothing” schools of meditation, and mindfulness meditation is often very effortful. Mindfulness meditation masters in the States commonly refuse to even discuss enlightenment, whereas nondual teachers never stop talking about how we’re already enlightened. At the extremes, these two traditions can become very critical of each other. Some nondualists think that mindfulness meditators are caught in the trap of working hard to get somewhere, and end up just building a meditator ego to replace their everyday ego. Some mindfulness practitioners think that nondualists are just playing a recursive word game (“Who is playing a word game?”) and narcissistically kidding themselves about how enlightened they are, while complacently denying their own foibles. It’s a shame that these two wisdom traditions—especially in their American expressions—are antagonistic to each other. Really they just represent the two ends of a spectrum of theories about the same idea—the idea of how to awaken to real freedom. It’s a shame, because in my opinion most nondualists (especially neo-advaitins) could use a little more of the mindfulness attitude, and most mindfulness practitioners could use a little more of nondual outlook. Working together they could, like peanut butter and chocolate, form something much more excellent than either on their own. Something we might call Nondual Mindfulness, or Practical Advaita. Does Advaita Preclude Practices? Nonduality or advaita (which includes most of Madhyamika Buddhist and Hindu Tantra philosophy, too) holds that we are already completely, perfectly enlightened. Many traditional schools of nondualism stress, however, that we need to do some practice to reveal this true nature to ourselves. We have blinders on, and cannot see our own enlightenment, and a practice (which there are many types of) will remove the blinders and allow our inherent liberation to naturally shine forth. It’s like the practice blows the clouds away and suddenly we can see the sun and sky, which were already and always there. But, due to accidents of history, American nonduality, or what is called “neo-advaita,” took the more radical viewpoint that no practices are necessary to uncover our deepest wisdom. In this viewpoint, practices are actually counter-productive because they are emphasizing the untrue concept that the ego needs to do something to get enlightened. That practice is needed to find awakening. In the neo-advaita view, the more you struggle to be free, the more you ignore your own complete freedom that is already there. The more you fight, the more you emphasize the (unreal) existence of the fighter, thus causing you to become more lost. And that’s why neo-advaita is so inimical to any meditation technique at all, including mindfulness. Mindfulness practice, to a neo-advaitin, is just a lot of effort to convince yourself that you’re not already free. A big waste of time that leaves you worse off—even more mired in delusion—than you were before. The trouble with this viewpoint is that it’s more of a philosophy than a practical application. You can think you’re free and let go of all ideas of non-freedom all you want, but at the end of the day, you may still not feel very free. For people suffering from real world problems like stress, anxiety, depression, drug addiction, relationship breakup, and a thousand other human catastrophes, being told “not to hold on to those stories and just feel your inherent freedom” can feel like an impossibly cynical mindfuck. It can make you feel inadequate or stupid, and doesn’t really help. Just like the New Age catch-22 of telling cancer victims that it’s their own fault, and that they just need to believe they are healed in order to effect a real cure (thanks a lot!), neo-advaitin sometimes people in situations of extreme suffering that it’s all their own fault — and not infrequently this oh-so-helpful message is imparted with an air of superiority and smugness. On a deeper note, if you do begin to do the (non-practice) that neo-advaita prescribes, namely to realize that your thoughts and feelings are not your thoughts and feelings, it can lead to dissociation. Constantly denying your own body and mind has a cost, and some on the nondual path find themselves stuck in the trap of meaninglessness for many years, not realizing that they have been mired in identification with this self who “doesn’t care.” The advaita view, while philosophically powerful, was not traditionally taught with no practices to go with it. For example in Soto Zen—which like most Buddhism philosophically agrees about the inherent awakening in each person, called the Buddha Nature—people are encouraged to do a practice called “just sitting” (shikantaza). Just sitting is just sitting, a practice that is not a practice. Traditionally a monk or nun would do such a non-practice, however, for tens of thousands of hours in their lifetime. For a non-practice, that is an awful lot of practice, and it has a predictably powerful awakening effect. Even the grand master of advaita, Ramana Maharshi, gave his students practices. While talking about how we are already enlightened, he taught people to meditate, chant mantras, do breathwork, and other effortful practices. If you read the detailed histories of his top students (you can do so in the books by David Godman, a series called The Power of the Presence) who were very highly respected, realized persons, he gave all but one of them such practices to do. And they practiced them with all their hearts, sometimes for decades. Ramana, in other words, understood the difference between the philosophy of advaita and its practice. (Ironically, it was someone who met Ramana only once, named H. W. L. Poonja, who gave rise to the American school of radical non-practicing advaita. This was the one student he didn’t give any practices to.) Except in rare cases, it is necessary for a person to do meditation practices to remove their ignorance of their own awakening. Afterwards, from their enlightened perspective, they may see how ridiculous it all was, but they never would have seen that without having done these “ridiculous” practices. Mindfulness has a lot to offer a nondual practitioner. For one thing, the practice of self-inquiry is a kind of mindfulness practice. Investigating the nature of the Self, asking yourself, “Who am I” and looking for the answer to that question can all be considered a kind of “mindfulness of the Self.” Most mindfulness practice as it is taught in America focuses on body sensations, but there is no reason that a practitioner cannot use the same kind of focus on the sense of self and deconstructing that sense of self into its components. In more advanced mindfulness practice, this is exactly the point. Does Mindfulness Practice Actually BLOCK Awakening? But advaita also has something very useful to contribute to mindfulness, because the advaita critique of mindfulness is legitimate and important. Again, it’s the idea that mindfulness strengthens the sense of being somebody (you, the meditator) doing something (practicing meditation) – a sense which, in the long run, is still an ego. Because mindfulness teachers very often talk about the practice as “becoming a witness of experience,” they are actually creating a safe haven for the ego, which can keep the person from realizing their fundamental awakening. You only have to spend time around some of the more long-term mindfulness communities to see the result of this misstep in action. There are a large number of practitioners who have been diligently doing their mindfulness meditation for decades, and who seem to be stuck in a particular place. They have gotten an edge or a handle on life. They’re pretty good at coping with difficulties, and they are much less caught up in the madness of their egos than the average person on the street. All of which is excellent. But beyond this, they are in a cul-de-sac. Nothing has changed in their practice for years or even decades. They seem somewhat flat or depressed. They may even refuse to acknowledge that real awakening exists, and consider enlightenment to be a dirty word. (Talk about missing the point.) The diagnosis is clear: they have fallen into the “Observer Trap.” The prognosis is good, if they can learn how to meditate on the sense of self involved in doing the meditation itself and then deconstruct that. By turning the meditator itself into the object of meditation, they can experience the dissolution of the meditator ego, and touch real awakening. It’s really that simple, but you will find few mindfulness teachers who are aware of this solution, or even of the problem itself. Although I don’t like to promote steps-and-stages models of awakening (they’re always too reductive), I believe that mindfulness could be described as a two-step process. First, you become the witness of experience. Second, you realize that you are not that witness. Virtually all of mindfulness in America only teaches you step one. Again, even step one is a big improvement over having no steps at all. However, if you are stuck in your practice, and you want to experience some of the deeper levels of awakening, then taking the second step is crucial. There are several ways to take this step. The standard nondual method is to simply sit with no agenda. Notice that this is not “not meditating,” it’s meditating with no technique. (The difference is crucial.) Another advaita technique that is applicable is self-inquiry practice, in which you look for the person who is meditating. The method that fits best with mindfulness practice is slightly more effortful, however. It involves patiently deconstructing the sense of the meditating self. Noticing the thoughts of the meditator (“This is going well today.” “Am I doing this right?” etc.) and the feelings of the meditator (happy that it’s going well, frustrated that it’s not, etc.). You can read a more in-depth description of the practice here. Get Clear: Nonduality and Mindfulness Thus the outlook of mindfulness can contribute something useful to advaita, and the outlook of advaita can contribute something useful to mindfulness. In the end, all of these distinctions only matter if they help you to make progress in your practice to reveal your true awakening. Nondualist—ask yourself if you’re just kidding yourself about how much freedom you actually feel each day. There are ways to go deeper without getting trapped in grasping, striving, and comparison, and those ways involve dedicated practice. Mindfulness-folks—ask yourself whether you’ve been stuck in basically the same place in your practice for a long time. There are ways to go deeper which involve deconstructing your practice itself. In both cases it will probably include a lot of discomfort at pushing yourself out of a comfortable resting place you’ve found to camp out in. The peace, joy, and freedom you will find will be worth all the effort. Source: https://deconstructingyourself.com/nonduality-and-mindfulness.html