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You’re continuing to say that no outside = no inside, but you haven’t yet logically proved that point Re-statements aren’t proofs A thing with an inside but no outside would still 1. be itself 2. not be both itself & not-itself 3. It’d also be true to say of it, that it is what it is & false to say that it is what it’s not So it doesn’t violate any of the 3 axioms of classical logic Therefore, it’s not classically impossible This isn’t up for debate, unfortunately. This is how classical logic works. If you want to claim like Leo is, that you’ve Awakened to a different logic, then by all means, we can discuss that. But this stuff here isn’t presenting anything so far that adheres to Classical Logic

Therefore, reality isn’t Everything, under your findings Just say “I Awakened to the Truth & the Truth is that not-everything is real” This is precisely what you’re claiming. Please be honest with yourself

You would have to prove that proof is infinitely imaginary, as you’re saying. Or if not prove it, you’d at least have to show that it’s a logical necessity & that therefore, it’s strong enough to accept it without prior proof For example, maybe you’ve had Awakenings that proof is imaginary. And sure, that’s all well & good But in order for it to qualify as a logical proof, you would need to either prove your foundational claim or show it to be a necessity My point isn’t to invalidate any Awakenings you may’ve had. My point is simply that if you want this to also be a logical proof, then you would need to show how the foundation is logically there, in addition to being something you Awakened to And maybe people here will say that it can’t be done. And fair enough, that’d be fine. I’m not trying to force logic onto Awakening But my point is that this is how logical proofs work. You either prove them or show that they’re a necessity & therefore, strong enough to be prior to proof even within the scope of logic (let alone your Awakening) So an example of my next question would be, do you have something which shows us that it’s logically necessary for proof to be infinitely imaginary? If you did, then that would add some power to your proof, given that your proof builds on top of the foundation of proof being infinitely imaginary

@Leo Gura As per singularity can it be inferred even in non-awakened state that you are already singular as whole as well as even you on the surface appear distinct from the universe you are connected to it on a more fundamental level which takes thinking, intelligence and contemplation to to see ?

The spiritual is the Masculine... and the physical is the Feminine. So, yes... libidinal/sexual energy is Feminine. This is why, in Kundalini yoga, with the symbol of Shiva and Shakti... the libidinal energy is said to be like Shakti who is a Goddess in the form of a snake and is coiled three times at the base of the spine as waiting potential. And the awakened Shakti (or risen snake) is a symbol of integration of the Masculine and Feminine.... and awakening from the human perspective and relates to the ability to express the Shakti energy towards both spiritual and creative outputs. What must be understood about Masculine and Feminine in the archetypal and energetic sense... is that there are often divergences from both gender norms and the ways that men and women tend to generally be. The Masculine and Feminine were named by people who want to use a human symbol to understand these primordial energies. But we make a mistake when we only relate these dynamics to human gender. That said, women do actually have a stronger connection to libidinal energy than men, generally speaking. Though men generally tend to channel their libidinal energy in a more focused way... where women tend to just abide and marinate more in the soup of that energy without externalizing it as often. So, you're seeing a difference there that comes more from the Masculine principled tendency towards externalization and the Feminine principled tendency toward internalization. But women generally have a greater connection to libidinal energy in an internal and being sense... as we create life inside our bodies. So, like Shakti and Shiva... the Shakti stays dormant until it rises up the channel of the spine to meet Shiva. So, a woman needs to integrate the Masculine to be able to tame and channel that libidinal energy outwards towards creative and productive works. Otherwise, it is just a marination in those energies on an internal level. But with regard to how Masculine and Feminine can diverge from gender norms and how men and women tend to be... men are actually more Feminine principled in the sense that men are more physically equipped than women with more resilient bodies. And women tend to be more likely to possess the Masculine-principled quality of communication... as we are usually more expressive (verbally and otherwise) than men. But of course, these are broad strokes generalizations that aren't always true... just patterns that can be noticed where our gender norms and patterns diverge from the energetic Masculine and Feminine.

@Salvijus Okay, so I hear you, the dick head energy is the problem. But how exactly is this blocking woman from waking up ? If you're serious about waking up you just go for it. And an awakened woman is definitely not just 'delicate'.

That sounds like bs. Are you saying that a woman's awakening is dependent on being around an awakened guy ?

If it doesn't go for everyone, I'm not buying it. If ignorance plays a part existentially for someone's well-being as far as where they end up after they die, I'm not buying it. If a life of partying drugs, loose sex and hedonism means you're going to be left behind on the existential level as opposed to meditating all day and going to silencer retreats and ashrams and Satsang's, I'm not buying it. Yes, as far as the experiences goes, more money means better living conditions, more freedom and more comfortability, better education means better jobs and more intelligence, more friends mean better social life and maybe less loneliness and having knowledge about health and practicing it may make for better health and feeling great and also looking great. When it comes to Spirituality, though, if one has to know something, be better at something, learn about something, practice something to be ahead of the game and that's considered ahead of the game to win at something on this level, I'm not buying it. No one should have to be left behind in this way. No one should have to know anything, be taught anything and should have to do practices to be one with everything already. Worldly experiences are different. A bum is on the street where it's uncomfortable while the regular guy sleeps on a bed. Maybe life circumstances got him there. Knowing those types of things is beneficial to not get in the dumps - maybe, as life can hit anybody at any time no matter how much they've tried to win at it. As far as being more conscious and awakened, it makes for a better experience, but if one is not high-conscious or highly intelligent, it doesn't compute that they're better off on an existential level than those who are not. It just makes for a different and maybe more pleasant experience and that's it. Nothing more. The same as how more money may make for a more enriched experience of life and maybe help more people financially and take a load off in that way. No one is closer than anybody else at so-called "reaching God" just because.......whatever you're doing in life is what you're doing. Watching porn or watching Moojii won't get you any closer or make you any further away. You might have a fucked up brain, need therapy, sex life sucks or whatever but you're still not fucked in the end or going some other place that the Moojii watcher is going. Bottomline, if all is not included in the message, I'm not buying it. If I have to have someone tell me who I am or am not to reach truth or be closer to the divine, i'm not buying it. If it's not already the case, then no one should have to tell me how to get there because no one was there when I was born, no one will die with me and no one lived my life for me. That man didn't bring me here so why should he have to tell me about me just so I can know truth or awaken to who I am or whatever. The neighbor who knows nothing about this stuff shouldn't have to. If God brought them here, then let God take dare of them. That goes for everybody. Why the fuck does my cat get a free pass and just eat and shit all day and still be aligned with truth but I gotta meditate and go to silent retreats just to be aligned. Makes no sense. I love this stuff and i love it for it's own sake, but everyone, including the drunk, should be ok, except for life experiences and even then its just a temporary experience that doesn't last forever. What lasts forever is who and what everybody already is and at the same level. You're in no better position than the one that does not know this stuff, it only makes you more knowledgeable. This is how much I love this stuff. I refuse to think it's for a selected few and not for everybody. I refuse to see anybody being left behind. This is why I see clearly that all is one and no one is excluded from infinity and all is the divine. All is everything and those that doesn't realize this, doesn't need to. This was very random and I don't know what the heck I was saying, but it felt right. I won't even proof-read because it was in the flow and I don't need to correct any mistakes when I'm in flow.

This is the point, the absurdity of it. That men often treat awakening or spiritual development as another competition in the external world, which it isn’t. It’s as if you have an imaginary ladder or something, and you usually place yourself near the top lol I’ve never heard a woman proclaim she is the most awakened person in the world, nor have I often seen a woman too concerned about those definitions, because women are often too immersed in spirituality to care about such definitions and this false “spiritual hierarchy.” This is a man monkey game.

I’m an OG Leo fan. Found him after my first LSD trip. And I can’t deny that I’ve been there alongside him through his awakenings. I feel like I’ve gone through the journey with him. Not just Leo, but also Frank Yang, and the whole collective unconscious. Although we’ve never met, there is definitely something transmuted through this magical thing called the internet. Leo doesn’t post much these days on YouTube and I feel like I understand why. I understand it, but in my own way, in my own flavor. Just wanted to share that.

-Social competition concerns men more on average. -Spirituality is a roundabout way of gaining power, even if it's repressed. -So more men are spiritual. -So more men end up awakened. Women are actually more interested in spiritual things on average, because there's greater pressure among men to be "pragmatic," blah blah blah. Spirituality or topics with a close clientele (alternative medicine, for example) often involves a majority of women around male leaders who are more anxious or even psychotic, sometimes more sensitive, than average.

Not fully! Once you are "awakened", you can take any path you want. You might start appreciating the world more deeply, continue doing what you were already doing but with greater awareness, or use that understanding to help others and improve humanity. It's not petty - if everything is ultimately meaningless, then you're free to do whatever brings you the most joy, passion, and fulfillment. And even if you reach a state of enlightenment, that doesn't free you from financial or practical human needs. A lot of people, wanting to stay close to the truth they’ve realized, choose to build a life around it. Not because they’re deluding themselves, but because it genuinely feels like the best path - one that aligns both with their understanding and their basic human needs. TLDR: Wanting to debate and improve human thought can be a completely valid and authentic desire.

I don't doubt the logic, it intellectually makes sense. However, it doesn't contradict my point. Awakening doesn't give someone omniscience let alone omnipotence, you still need to learn how to navigate the world as a human. It sounds even more difficult since you may need to re-learn a lot of stuff. Stuff like self-actualization, empathy, love, understanding women, meaning of your life etc. Petty human shit does not go away when you awaken. In my head someone who is awakened would not waste their energies in petty human debates. They wouldn't have spiritual egos that seek validation. They would not waste their time trying to enforce their views on anyone on such a niche platform. Instead they either bask in the magnificence of what is, or trying to cultivate the same Absolute love they experience in anyone they meet. Other times just spend their time being human, with everything it entails. My keypoint here is authenticity, if nothing else. If awakening is not that - then no thanks, I guess

I'm just quoting this but it goes for everything you've said about my discussing and communicating on a forum with a like-minded individual that discusses reality and existential matters. You kept saying to me why type, why speak, why keep explaining while you're asking me questions and responding to my notions while I'm responding to yours. I wasn't explaining as much as I was just holding a conversation. Leo has said in one of his videos and I don't have to go find it because I'm sure you've heard him say, "you have not moved a day in your life, you have been sitting here forever". Did you ever say to Leo, then why the need to explain it, why are you talking, why say anything and that the Absolute doesn't need any reminders. No, you watch him blabber for 2-3hrs and then revere, worship and idolize him. When I mention something of the sort for 5-10mins I'm being told to be quiet and that there's no need to talk on and on if nothing is happening (which you misinterpreted BTW). I've said many things in my talking that's been said by Leo. Not too long ago I've seen where he commented to someone that this is nothing. He also says youre dreaming and imagining things. When I speak in such manner, you want to put me down and tell je if that's the case why talk or whatever insults you want to throw. I'm a very observant person. I see a lot. I see that it all depends on the idea one has of a person, that matters how what they say is accepted or interpreted. My guess is, with you, you see me as someone without a Masters or a degree to speak on these matters. I'm not a guru or teacher so I have no authority to speak on these matters with such authority, I don't have a YT channel or a forum. I've never done psychedelics and I'm not intelligent enough and able to speak to a camera for 3hrs straight in an intellectual manner and I'm not an awakened or enlightened being, so please don't speak on these matters like you know anything to me because I've been trained by the experts. That's my take. Take it or leave it.

Normal answer: either Portugal or Netherlands. Spiritual answer: emm...I'm going to god? Philosophical answer: ultimately there isn't anywhere to go. My understanding is that existence is similar to art, in that it exists, because it's cool and sorta better than staring at nothing. It cultivates emotion and is beautiful. Temporary, inspiring, diverse. But ultimately, no purpose behind or beyond this. But this is from awakened state, from lower states lots of purpose which is totally awesome to have.

Spirituality is the scariest thing ever. I have experienced Death so much it is hilarious at this point. All you learn at the end repeatedly is the intelligence within you is not more intelligent than you. Why? Because God was asleep dreaming your life. So you are more intelligent than God and all of God's creation is smarter than God because God was originally an unaware creator. God is an amplifier in both directions. Life is just a story God created unconsciously to teach the infinite value of creating consciously. Lack of consciousness while wielding infinite power is pure evil. I was forced to submit to it and it awoke to what Goodness is. When God is asleep completely God is Satan, when partially asleep a Devil, and when fully awakened Heaven itself which we call God. Anyone who says Evil does not exist is ignorant of what Absolute Infinity is......they are disconnected from the intimacy of life. Life is both the best and worst thing ever. It is only the best thing because it has never made its mission to be the worst thing ever. Be glad that was never Absolute Infinitie's decision.

Thanks for the reference to Dean Radin, but you are making some very incorrect and even arrogant assumptions here - namely that I am not serious, and asking to be spoon fed the studies. Me asking for the studies is not because I want to skip the work because I am not serious, it's because efficient peer-reviewing of studies is necessary for efficient development of the collective consciousness on these issues. no serious scientist gatekeeps studies because other people "haven't put the work in" , which is what you're doing right now. he shares the studies so they can be quickly peer-reviewed so the truth can be found out. Imagine an archeologist demanding everyone to come to their site and do their own research on it because he "doesn't want to spoon feed people". Do you realize how unscientific this is? It should be quite obvious for a person of your stature so I'm again quite amazed at your childish stance on this. This work is not about effectiveness or effort, but about truth and nothing else. I admire you for your anti-pragmatism stance when it comes to truth but right now you are contradicting that. I'm kindly asking you to acknowledge this and take back your statement about me wanting to be spoon fed studies, and that it's unscientific of you to demand these silly gate-keeping ways of knowledge. Scientific knowledge is to be peer-reviewed and done so in the most efficient way possible. How childish of you to assume such things of me! Also, I'm not widely known with the official architecture of academia on the internet, which you clearly are. I could be wasting hours of my time going through unsound or even unauthentic sources. Asking you for some advice on which studies to find is normal - in the case that we are two truth-seekers of equal rank looking for empirical evidence on a matter. Clearly you don't see it this way; You assumed I was asking you as an inferior does to a superior when I was not. In assuming this you thought it'd be a good idea to gatekeep the studies from me and patronize me into doing my own work, like this is some kind of homework assignment. No, I was simply asking a fellow truth-seeker which studies he had studies to come to certain conclusions. How arrogant of you to assume otherwise! Leo, I'd like you to introspect in this and notice that you made many assumptions from my questions, presuming your own epistemic superiority and position as a superior to me. Admit to yourself that when discussing these things with your fellow forum members, your position should be as an equal and that you shouldn't default to a position of being a teacher. We're making a quest for empirical evidence here, you're not above that with your silly games of thinking everybody is lazy and unserious. You have no clue how serious or unserious other people are, especially when it comes to things you're no expert in. You're literally making wild claims to your audience of parapsychology existing, yet you slam me when asking for evidence, saying I should put the work in myself. Like you're not the one making these far-fetched claims to your audience. Your audience is large and I'm in a sense protecting them by pushing back against your wild claims. If they turn out to be true, that's that. But the fact you're slamming me for something as simple as asking for studies shows that you're already pretty far down the deep end. Clearly you've awakened further than most, at least, that is my assumption. But what you're doing right now is really bad, arrogant, childish and against raw truth-seeking. This is not a manner of metaphysics or spirituality, this is simply about studies of content of the universe. And since you're the one claiming, without showing much skepticism, that remote-viewing exists, the burden of extraordinary proof is on your shoulders, not mine. Again, -What mechanism do you postulate by which remote-viewing works in the universe? -It's not merely that new-age channels are also filled with bullshit, and that there is like a soup including elements of truth but also of bullshit, no, these elements are actively intertwined and used to prove eachother. On the Mishlove channel which you claim is great, remote-viewing, which you claim is sound, is actively used to prove Atlantean pseudo-history and the like. How is this not a dealbreaker for you? Yet you share it to your audience as a "great channel"? -What is your stance on the Stargate project being terminated by the CIA as described in this CIA report : https://fas.org/irp/program/collect/air1995.pdf And what does it say that Mishlove and his guests still cite the Stargate project as being proof of remote-viewing being real? Anyway, thanks again for the reference to Dean Radin. I'll do my best to make a research out of it, especially now that you've agitated me by claiming that I'm lazy asking to be spoon-fed (which is a radically childish notion for you to say anyway, but okay). If I make any conclusions I'll share them in this thread, with proper references, like it's supposed to be.

If you are awakened you should probably use your times testing your machine out. Try different things try feeling different ways around people thinking different things.

Indeed. To be precise, I mean a range of states. Awakening is not one state, it is a vast range of states. Psychedelics. You can. Psychedelics are not effective for some people due to genetic factors. The psychedelic can change your state but doesn't necessarily elevate you into the Awakened state range. This may require finding the right type of psychedelic, which most people are unwilling to do. Some people have such a low baseline state that even psychedelics are not enough, or require very high doses. Some people's minds are so confused and murky that it takes many iterations of psychedelics to clear up the confusion, emotional baggage, trauma, wrong beliefs, ideology, etc. Your state can be stuck at low due to trauma, emotional baggage, fear, or ideological attachment. So that stuff needs to be worked out before one is able to access higher states. Do not underestimate the huge role genetics plays in one's state. State is predominately genetic.

This guy is pretty funny. Here are my picks of his short vids- I’ve been remodeling an older house. All new flooring. Installing carpet and linoleum planks. Painting walls, plumbing repairs etc.,, This has been keeping me fairly busy as well as doing some welding repairs on a steel corral. Finally got a windshield put back on my pickup. I’ve been driving it around for the last 8 months without a windshield. I mostly drive a 2015 Subaru and work out of it. Blah, blah blah. I haven’t meditated in a long time. Two days ago I prayed. A short petitionary. It felt good. Perhaps a layer of cynicism was shed. I SHOULD return to doing centering prayer meditation like I did in the past. I was a lot more efficient in work and accomplishing tasks. That “SHOULD”, is, sometimes the voice of the superego. It keeps you from truly individuating. But it also coincides with one’s inner truth or conscience. I find it both paradoxical and ironic that Freud’s delineation of the superego or inner critic can be a barrier to one’s own awakened conscience. But from my experience and understanding, the dang thing goes back to sleep. Us humans do that. We nap. I I’ve got an excellent podcast to share maybe next time I post. It’s about emotional purification. It’s just great. Very reaffirming ,,,, There’s a part or two in it that makes me feel like a complete phony. Well shoot,,, Here it is,,,

It's true. The need for a map, because after relying on the self and want to escape the atrophy of society consciousness, mainly that chatter in the mind that is ego consciousness, one need a spirit guide, someone dead or a powerful egregore. People think they can do it by themselves and is enough, they are lied by ego consciousness. Ego consciousness (agent smith or mara in hinduism) will make for you spiritual experiences, awakening experiences, etc. You will go decades lying to yourself that you got enlightened and understand reality. Now guess what, there are few awakened in the world or none.

Its like that if the guru in the scene was invisible and he said 2 words to you and unlocked your karma and your karma you were carrying just falls off and you see the entire universe behind your eyes. Thats a good scene. Imagine the reason you arent awakened is cause you told yourself a verbal lie that trapped you into a logic loop. The guru or the man in this film can whisper 2 words in your ear from the spirit realm to unlock the logic trap you are in and that happens. If your third eye opens and you can go to the spirit realm its like there is a spirit right outside waiting to tell you something. If you are alone in a room and you suddenly heard a voice your ears would like turn on or become alert before you heard the voice and then you would jump. When you hear a spirit voice its like your ear turns on and you hear a voice thats not coming from any location because it dosent make you jump. If you jump you jump away from the source cause your ears can pinpoint it. If you cant pin point it you wont jump. If your ears heard a voice behind you would jump away from behind you not towards the voice but a spirit voice is different.

You're talking about things other than consciousness, which isn't madness; it's just being conscious of what is already true. An unprecedented openness might result from that but those are functions of mind, and activities. If that were the case, how come awakened individuals generally seem to be freer than most of us? Hey, it might turn out to be the other way around -- consciousness being the recognition of inherent wholeness at last. We may be getting sidetracked from the main topic, though.

@Sugarcoat Gospel of Thomas is a good read. I believe that if Jesus existed and was really awakened , it's almost certainly his actual words, and basically debunks traditional Christianity (and that's why they had to cut it from the Bible).

@Sugarcoat The main issue is that my childhood friends keep giving me the cold shoulder and they ignore and block my apologies. Maybe I am just right after-all, and they needed that tough love. They have been roasting me in a group chat for years because I have a spiritual TikTok page. I thought they would be proud of me and happy for me. I guess friendship, laughter and nostalgia does not cure plain old jealousy. I have been listening to Leo and this guy Terrence Stephens "nonduality" for almost a decade. I now am getting more views than Leo. And I feel guilt for that. I don't deserve this attention and praise. I just want my spiritual older brother to be healthy and happy. It angers and frustrates me to see Leo constantly battling health problems. I have an idea that probably was not even suggested yet, in terms of healing. But I am deeply afraid of Leo. What if he will get irritated if I even suggest a new healing modality. I just want to help. But I always get in trouble for that. Basically... I was at Dr. Joe Dispenza's retreat in Cancun, Mexico during the pandemic in 2020, there IS a way to heal almost anything. Oddly enough, It would take the cooperation of this entire forum. Not expecting that to happen. We would basically flow ALL of our loving energy towards a picture of Leo or just group love concentrated in one spot. We ALL collectively can heal Leo's body if we gather around him, even if it is a symbol or picture. I have seen people stand up from wheelchairs and I am as skeptical as they come. I just want him to be open about the healing. And to put a little bit of his trust in Dispenza's work as he measures what we all here call The mystical, he measures the electricity in the brain especially during an awakened state. You CAN change your genetic expression, to a timeline that has never involved sickness in the first place. Leo, all I want is for you to be open and as open as I was when you rescued me from the drudgery of atheism and a loveless life. You gave me the greatest gift of all. You told me I am God. I now know I am Love and God. I have never been happier but this last little shroud of guilt even for making this post still lingers... Go easy on me guys. I have some ideas on how to heal virtually anyone... Be open about Dr. Joe Dispenza's research too. He involves other doctors and skeptics to verify his lab results all the time.