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Death Indifference and Crisis induced Euphoria. Other people's death doesn't trigger me, no matter how close. Likely coming from my indifference to my own death. And on top of that, these induce the most sophisticated states in me. Especially when there's a personal crises. Flow states, DMT inside brain. Another thing is self inducing bliss, no need for any practice or such, although it's not sustainable if your body isn't fit and healthy. It's not magic, it's a skill. It's like gaining access to the bliss room inside your brain, there's a limited amount of chemicals there, use it wisely. Better not to use it at all, but instead use it to do hard things with ease. Anyways, fuck bliss I'm bored of it, I'm interested in the other emotions. Fair warning; this is not a real skill, we need all emotions, biasing towards bliss is a sureshot way to self dsetruction. --- These aren't super powers. Please don't use ugly words like that. It's normal to develop skills.

He's just gatekeeping. This stuff works through intent of the one initiating you, to a great extent. He doesn't want anyone becoming independent practicioners. His volunteers have the same attitude. Perhaps it's trauma, he claims his past life his guru treated him like an untouchable and only interacted with a stick, instead of using hands. And his own claim that he's just a slave to Shiva. These themes just keep recurring. You get bliss by sucking Shambhavi tits. That's the level of sophistication this kriya has. It's literally borrowed bliss. And it comes with a heavy cost; your freedom.

And yeah, the bliss thing is a gimmick. It wears off the moment you start thinking independently and break out of the conformity. You can rack up records of how blissful these people are when you're under the effect of delusions and show it off. None of that is sustainable. The people I've found in that community are some of the most miserable people ever. Sure, they have this clown face when they're in their guru sucking mode. I've seen them and lived with them enough to understand how this is evil. The positioning and manipulation, it's beyond shady. I will tell you this, some of the most blissful moments in my life is because of that thing. But I've paid the price for it dearly. I'm so glad I got out of it in a matter of months.. May be I've sat with it for a year at max, but that's it.

@ryoko He states openly he knows exactly how to manipulate people and create karma for them. and he does it on regular. He knows how human body works and uses it to manipulate. I remeber him saying to interviewer i can say one word to you and your mine. He knows and has a personal agenda. A guru knows nobody exists and they don't exist but for some reason he has a personal agenda. I don't see any of his followers here writhing in bliss like they claim. The ones in his videos are doing it because of him not themselves. There are 100 reasons why you should trust Leo gura over sadhguru. Leo is trying to help via deconstruction sadhguru never deconstruct its always vague anecdotes. He says he has a reputation to hold but also says he dosent exist. Which is it? There are so many contradictions in what he says he is constantly contradicting himself. It could be on purpose I don't know. He is hanging out with elites all day.

Anyways fuck bliss. Where's your rage, anger, fear, anxiety, geed, lust, sloth, jealousy, sadness. We need all of these. I suggest reading "Laughing in the face of chaos" by Ruda Iande. The guy's very mature, and he doesn't bias you towards bliss or feel good. Some really good pointers on finding your values, very realistic.

I've been in close proximity with a volunteer. And his everyday rituals. There's this pledge, I forget the wording.. "...I will strive my best to fulfil Sadhguru's vision.." more words but it ends like that. My reaction to that was utter contempt. He worships his guru with a photo and some Yantra and other usual stuffs like burning camphor, wearing bhasma. Not against any of that, I get it, rituals are a powerful way to invoke certain stuff. This is a cult. That's when I got into thinking what's the point of Shambhavi. I started connecting the dots. He mentions Shambhavi as "she's a star"..like she's a person, coincidence? I think not. In one of what Sadhguru claims to be his past life where he was a snake guy, his girlfriend's name was Shambhavi, and people killed him with his own snakes for that love affair. That was his first experience into awareness while dying. There's so much crazy stuff than the eye meets. Shambhavi is like a temple that once you're initiated, it's there, the point of your daily practices is to clean the temple, take care of it. It's borrowed bliss. This is quite a common theme in the Hindu culture with local deities. You're submitting something of yours for something in return. And the next is, knowing a community of people who are dedicated to volunteering, and doing the practices. That's where everything broke for me. The way he frames this. He's selling you bliss. I'm not saying it cannot work, but what it will do is destroy your possibility for material growth in big ways, unless you're an asshole who can use this to extract the preferred hormones by submission and use it as a cushion to do horrible things, basic hierarchy we find all over nature and human cultures, work a shitty job which pays well, cope with the money. All spiritual practices have an element to them which destroys your material nature if you're serious about it. I do agree with him that bliss or well being is not something that should be a goal, it should be the default. Had I not known these people intimately I wouldn't have quit this whole thing.

Done it in 2021, I never watched the videos just let them play. I only enrolled to get initiated into shambhavi mahamudra. It's a great practice for getting significant gains in happiness and overall wellbeing. I feel a bit of bliss from it, from time to time. Iv done all their programmes, Shakti chalana kriya is their best practice in my opinion. Which is done as part of the shoonya programme. Isha's practices are the best thing I have came across for improving your day to day experience.

The Inner Engineering Course is Excellent! The 7 classes are awesome as well as the practice learned at this level Shambhavi Mahamudra, its very effective, I felt a wave of Bliss after a couple of weeks practice. You have to practice twice a day for a mundala or 40days after You learn it, then after that its once daily minimum... The videos are great, and the Q&A videos attached to each of the 7 classes are very very good, he goes into more details than he does with the regular Youtube video's, its very worth the effort and price, I did both online and in person with Sadhguru, in person of course is the best option if its available to You!! No risk, no reward, do it and then give it a good go for at least 6mths, You won't regret it!! Some of the topics on the video's/classes: Responsibility, how to get Your Free Will back This Moment is Inevitable, basically a class and dissection of the art of Accepting What Is! Present Moment Awareness Sounds and Mantra The Mind, how it works, its a miracle worker! Food, what foods to eat and avoid while on the spiritual path. Karma, what it is and how to use it and/or dissolve it.. and a few more topics too...

The kriya itself is a mix of normal yoga practices, done in an order. The practice itself has nothing to do with bliss. It's the belief that this practice can change stuff, and the philosophy musings combined by the theoretical lessons, it creates a certain delusional effect. He aims to keep it alive so you keep feeling blissful, or you think you should feel blissful. What he's aiming to do is trigger certain hormones by using a mix of beliefs, yoga and a whole community of sheeps. As for the results, I can confirm they wear off the moment you start thinking on your own.

Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya is potent as long as you hold the dogma. It's effective at first, then it quickly turns into a mundane exercise. Don't buy into their bliss claims. I recommend doing some actual physical activity instead. Shambhavi isn't in any way sufficient. I got initiated back in 2021, and it was a great experience. But the more I went into this rabbit hole, the more I saw it's true face, I quit the whole thing in a matter of months. Had nothing to do with Sadhguru ever again.

💙 How would you characterize your experience? I'd describe my 5-MeO breakthroughs as "bliss," perhaps - powerful experiences indeed. This might not do it justice - besides, it's just a single term - but it's somewhat accurate in my estimation. It's hard for the mind to make sense of such a state, particularly after the chemical wears off. I recognize that I could have interpreted it - any experience, for that matter - in a way that simply confirmed my existing beliefs or desires. It can easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a nice online social space - for fun, interacting with other minds, learning stuff, sharing or asking for advice, having the occasional thought-provoking discussion, and so on.

It’s hard to find inner peace when someone’s drilling asphalt at 7 AM. City life really tests your sanity. Maybe ignorance really is bliss, those people look like they’re having a great time not noticing anything.

Genes is Karma, is a form of memory, there are other form of memory too that influence Us and make us who we are or appear to be on a daily basis. Karma is also what binds You to the body, there are 5 bodies that make up a Human Being, this is yogic science, Food Body, Mental Body, Energy Body, Etheric/Astral Body, and Bliss Body, most are only Aware of their Food and Mental Body to a low degree... There are also actions (karma being created) in 4 main places for a Human, Body Action, Mind Action, Emotional Action, Energy Action, again most are 99% unconscious of all the Actions taking place in these areas, that is why their lives are spinning out of control and they have no idea why or make up stories like God or Aliens or Ghosts are controlling them.. So if we raise our Consciousness levels, then all of this comes into Your Perception, then Karma has less effect on You, then You have Free Will available to You, here while Embodied and after Your Body dies (the Energy Body, Etheric and Bliss Body goes on, kept together by your Karmic Makeup, Karma is like glue keeping it all together).. So when Body dies, the other bodies go on, karma included and if Your consciousness is high, You can choose where to go next...

You can know all about Death as You know all about Life, it just a matter of Consciousness, both are the same coin just different sides, turn over the coin and You know it! Memory or Karma is everything when it comes to Creation and Existence, Existence is Creation, Non Existence/Creation is Absolute in various forms, each one more Subtle, until Your at the Absolute of Absolutes, since there are varying dimensions or realms of Existence, here on this Earth, living as we do with Duality and Karma, this is the Grossest Aspect, least Subtle, everything felt is REAL, deny that and Your already lost.. Physical Death is just that, the stuff that makes up Your Body and Brain and such, the crudest part of what we are, this has to die, go back to the Earth, but we are not the Body or Mind, so what is more fundamental is still there (Energy, Etheric, Bliss body per say), this goes on to another lifetime, another body is being made, You unconsciously for the most part choose which body based on Your Karma/Tendencies, since You have no discretion in the inbetween realm...If Your Highly Conscious while Embodied, then You have more choice regarding this... Time only exists because Space Exist, and for sure is a Relative Experience, it can go slow or fast, they say the more Blissful You are the Faster it goes... And Yes, in the inbetween realm, there is no time, time exist here, so when Your over there in a blink of an eye your back here embodied, but it could have been 500yrs difference in time from when You left the previous one and into the new one, but in Your Experience it was a blink of an eye..

Beautiful experiences and insights for sure. You will see if it lasts. Or if something is still in the way between Absolute Reality and its love aspect. Godspeed! PS: Brown, Pith Instructions for Akhrid Dzogchen " Furthermore, awakened awareness remains uninterruptedly in, and immovable from, the [vicissitudes of the three special] states [which are the adornments of enlightenment]: non-conceptual stillness, bliss (and love, WbtR), and luminosity." Comment Brown "This passage refers to the fact that at this level of practice awakened awareness is frequently accompanied by special states of bliss, luminosity, and stillness, but that rather than becoming sources of attachment to state experiences or obscuring awakened awareness, these very states become the “ornaments” or friends of awakened awareness. In other words, these states now enhance rather than obscure the recognition of awakened awareness. PS PS: IT is not a state. But your original face. That which has never not been the case. Anything that arises in time is not It. If you live long enough, and practice efficient enough, you will get used to these states with time. PS PS PS: Wilber, One Taste: "And then, the Abyss beyond all beyonds. Some would call it radical Freedom, infinite Release, ultimate Liberation, the great Redemption, boundless Being. I wouldn’t know, for there is no I to know, in any form, sacred or profane, and so there is only this radical Formlessness, which remains its own remark. It is not bliss, it is not God, it is not love. It is not holistic, it is not Goddess, it is not interwoven anything. It is not infinite, it is not eternal, it is not any conception or object or state whatsoever. I-I am not light, am not love, am not spirit, am not bliss. II am not bound, am not free, am not ignorant, am not liberated. But this much can be said: where there is not this Emptiness, there is only suffering." "Around the sea of Emptiness, a faint edge of bliss. From the sea of Emptiness, a flicker of compassion. Subtle illuminations fill the space of awareness, As radiant forms coalesce in consciousness. A world is taking shape, A universe is being born. I-I breathe out the subtlest patterns, Which crystallize into the densest forms, With physical colors, things, objects, processes, That rush upon awareness in the darkness of its night, To arise as glorious sun, radiant reminder of its source, And slumbering earth, abode of the offspring of Spirit."

Why should we care about what You wrote? Why would you say this, then write a long post about what YOU think Awakening is, lol, why listen to You? If You don't care about that, then why share? When Your in touch with Truth, Absolute or whatever, You feel Bliss/Love, this doesn't mean that is what it is, its just that You touched it and that is the feeling when You do that.. Absolute can be anything, another person takes a drug, and feel completely different, why listen to You rather than them? Best not to make claims, just enjoy the experience, Your In Bliss, that is Good and that is All!!!

Conformity is bliss. A comfort built on illusions, not liberation.

No it isnt. So in a hypothetical where there is no chance of any suffering at all and there is guaranteed pure bliss , you are telling me that these people would still be against having children? @zurew Didn’t you already discuss how anti-natalism isn’t about consent with somethingfunny? If you reject the anti-natalist view of “non-consent to being born” because “you can’t ask a non-being”, yet insist you can violate the consent of a non-being that doesn’t yet exist in the future - that’s self-refuting. On your rape example - an unconscious person still exists as a subject with bodily autonomy - they have a continuing identity and rights that persist through unconsciousness. Even a corpse has rights despite no capacity for consent because ethics is relational - it arises from continuity between beings who exist or have existed. The dead still exist in relation - through memory and continuity. The non-existent exist in abstraction -without relation or continuity. Assaulting someone in a coma is still rape - because consent is temporarily inaccessible, not ontologically impossible. Latent rights belong to existing subjects whose capacity to exercise them is currently dormant - their rights persist because their being and subject hood persists. Potential rights, on the other hand, refer to non-existent or not-yet-subject entities - possible persons. You can’t wrong a non-subject or one who hasn’t existed as one - only prepare conditions that may later affect one ie be irresponsible but not “violate” consent when no subject exists to grant it or not. A living subject has intrinsic rights (active). A dead person has derivative rights (symbolic/relational). A non-existent has no rights, because they’ve never entered relation or continuity. On your latest example - you’re mixing up intent and violation. Just because one act leads to another doesn’t mean they’re the same act or carry the same kind of guilt. Paying someone to commit rape is wrong for the intent - the rape itself is wrong for violating consent when it happens. Determinism doesn’t erase that difference - it explains how one led to the other. Mixing up cause and morality is like blaming gravity for murder because it pulled the bullet down. Honest question - how do you live day to day by your logic? Every meal, car ride or consumer choice would be a “violation of future consent” from someone not yet born but guaranteed to exist. You’d need prophetic knowledge of every potential consequence before acting. Also - you think our brains grew this large because we ate grass and nuts and not all the other nutrients derived from non-vegan sources?

I dont have it formalized in any way, again all I can tell you is that If I reflect on it - I intuitively know that Im okay with violating consent in a bunch of scenarios , because I care about certain things more than just consent. Yes , but you still go for it, right? If you would be against it in a principled way, then you wouldn't risk it, but you are okay with making the risk of violating consent in a bunch of scenarios. You can go with this, but this goes back to what I said from the beginning. You are not against violating consent in a principled way and if we go back to the question I asked, then the answer is obviously "its okay to have children in a world where there is 100% guaranteed bliss and 0% chance for any suffering." And from then on, the talk isnt about "its wrong because you violated consent" but "its wrong because of the negative stuff you put the kid through".

So in a hypothetical where you are a sex god and sex with you is a guaranteed pure bliss, is it okay for you to be raping people? This is BS and empty talk since all you have to back it up with is "I feel this way". There is an anti-natalist subreddit with over 200k people on it. You are welcome to ask there how many of them are pro killing people.

No it isnt. So in a hypothetical where there is no chance of any suffering at all and there is guaranteed pure bliss , you are telling me that these people would still be against having children? its not, most who are not virtue-signaling pussies about it would say what I said - If they would have the pragmatic means to do so , they would end all suffering forever and that involves killing all life. Because again this often times goes back to negative-utilitarianism.

Its not about that. It's not the main premise. Some people like that life has suffering to it, so that it's not all honey and rainbows. That's what makes it living worth for them. But so what? This is their personal view on their lives. It's about consent. The child you give birth to might have a life of pure bliss or they might suffer and end up killing yourself. They might enjoy suffering or they might hate it They might not have wanted to have any experience at all. The point is that it's not up to you to make this decision. Who are you to sign up other people for all this? This is a strawman. Nobody is advocating for killing people. Nobody is even advocating for forcing people not to have kids. It's like saying that vegans want to murder all the meat eaters or that they want to force everyone into veganism using violence. No. Anti-natalism just points out issues with giving birth and is mostly being used as a personal philosophy. If you resonate with it, you are welcome to join. If not, that's your choice. It's just that most people who are against it, have no good arguments. So they must on some level know that they are choosing to just ignore being wrong and staying ignorant.

1) You can just reject the main premise that suffering is something that you have to care about the most (to the point where you ignore everything else). Generally when it comes to moral intuitions , I dont think most people agree with the underlying thoughtprocess. Like imagine biting bullets like "No,no no even in a world where there is only 1 millisecond of suffering and 10 trillion years of guaranteed full bliss, its still wrong to have children, because they cant consent to that 1 millisecond of suffering" Once you start to think about hypothecials like that, you suddenly realize that you are not against suffering in a principled way. 2) The other one is a pragmatic one - You dont have the means to kill all humans and even if you did, there would be still incredibly amount of suffering on Earth when it comes to other beings reproducing. So the argument is that you have reason to have children and or to not stop people from having children as long as you believe that there is a chance for technological progress, because the more you progress there the more chance you have to end up in a place where you can actually kill and destroy all life (and with that end reproduction and suffering).

Concerning the "Body" only, ejaculation is healthy if its not overdone and it depends on the age too, younger guys can do it more and need to release it in a way, but the older You get the less it is needed, but yeah its a good stress reliever, its like a dose of Bliss shot into the system, so that is good for You Body wise... But we are not the Body right? So in that context it is not so good to regularly ejaculate, its better to hold it in, preserve it and then let it be transformed into something else described before in other posts, to put it simply as Spiritual Energy! Spirituality is an Existence that is above Survival level of Living, ejaculation is survival level of living, Spirituality is not. The Yogi's and Rishis knew this thousands of years ago...

Goggins, he luv's to suffer because it enhances his Ego, if he can endure more and more suffering his ego gets bigger and that turns him on! The Monk endures suffering to conquer suffering, to go beyond it, to realize that it is the Body or Mind that is suffering, and that You/Me are neither of those things, so via suffering one learns to not have to suffer because what is You is not capable of Suffering... This suffering path is difficult and dangerous though, the Bliss path is much better and safer/smarter path!