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The fact that you are asking this undermines all of his teachings. The highest truth is that he is imaginary. So how could he be more awakened than you if he is part of your own mind created by your mind as God? He would only be held as more awakened within your own mind. That is his highest teaching.

It's simple: you don't know if Leo is the most awakened being or not. It is an open question no matter what he says. Could you ever know? That's the question. I am inclined to say yes, I think being closed to that is foolish. Like I am talking about ACTUAL knowing.

No. In regards to what Leo has said, the narcissism is inherent to those beliefs because of the hierarchy it creates over other "non-awakened beings". This forces him to punish the people that challenge this hierarchy he has created. Which is the cult-like aspect. I'm saying that his view on spirituality is synonymous with the narcissism. Which also creates a domino-effect into the cult-like qualities of the forum.

Another awakened person can usually intuit it. Leo is a fascinating example though because there is no way he could have known to teach some of the stuff without being awake..it would seem impossible to me. But this whole more awake stuff is silly. When you and your buddy wake up from your respective dreams in the morning do you say to each other..i am more awake than you!! No.you both have awoken from your dreams.

I don't think people really know how to tell a pretender from someone who's not - in "spiritual" matters, at least. 'State' really isn't the anchor or point of reference that some people make it out to be either. It might be that direct consciousness isn't a function of state, and that state is rather secondary. With some effort, as an imagination exercise, I bet that you yourself, knowing that you're ignorant (your secret is safe with me), could make yourself look a certain way, by producing certain impressions and coming across in a particular way, that would make people think of you as 'awakened' or similar. You could even make this assessment of yourself unknowingly.

@Razard86 You can access consciousness of every being or just awakened ones? How does that feel like? Like telepathy?

I watch Frank Yang on Youtube sometimes and everytime I watch him on Youtube I access his Consciousness and it feels so empty. Its funny when he describes his awakening and his whole process to me of all the levels he went through etc. its hilarious to me because when you awaken you can just access his state. Its funny to me because all that hard work he did to reach that particular state and then I can just watch him on Youtube and basically trip on his Consciousness is hilarious to me. His so called Enlightenment is different than mines. Mine is simultaneously empty and full at the same time. Like an empty container that has movement within it. But his? Its just straight up empty period. No movement at all. This is the video I was watching but it happens on the other vids he has as well. So for me I can actually tell a person's level of Consciousness by just tripping on it like a drug lol.

@Breakingthewall Exactly. Regardless of how awake someone is, its no excuse to throw away life because its just a temporary experience. In fact I'd argue the more things you do, the more things you accomplish /create/ build/ experience, while simultaneously being awakened to the god in you, the better. A big trap would be to do all these things and not be awakened, confusing material success for true achievement. So in a way, its actually both thats needed , the material side , and the awakened side, and using them in conjunction. It's basically like, have/do/be all the things you want as a human but realize you are also god for eternity at the same time. That way you can enjoy the the dream to its fullest, not necessarily "attaching" to all the things but having/doing them for the sake of the experience itself and enjoying them

I wasn't disputing this. This is just immaturity. There is no "most" awakened being there is just the awakened and the asleep. If you think this then you aren't awake. You're just being foolish. That isn't an insult it's just what it is. So I'm just saying that after you awaken you wouldn't say "this is the most accurate picture of reality I've found" So you shouldn't expect him to make statements like this. You should expect better of him than to proclaim "I am the best! I am more conscious than you". But nothing surprises me anymore. And, enlightened individuals shouldn't he held in a box as to their level of maturity. They can still act like egotistical children. Though I would expect more from them.

It's absolutely meaningless and unconditional. There isn't a goal or purpose needing to be met. Nothing required and everything welcomed. Nothing needs to happen or not happen. And so in that sense, the so-called non-delusional life doesn't need to be recognized/lived. The awakened reality and the matrix are identical for 2 reasons. 1) The matrix is an internal illusory experience, leaving only awakened reality as real. 2) They are equally meaningless because when the body/mind organism dies, the memory of ever existing dissolves with it regardless of its prior way of life.

So I made a post a while back and just wanted to share some more and expand a bit on that. So, it all started back in September 25. Since then I've literally had an ongoing connection pretty much every single night (assuming it's clear out but even with heavy clouds many times), where I go outside in my backyard and orbs and beams of light come by and interact with me. I'll go outside and stare up at the sky and within minutes (sometimes they've been there waiting for me) orbs will come along and glide past me in the sky. I wave at all them, they flash their light at me (brighten/dim). It's blatant personal interaction at this point. I've seen golden beams of light come out of nowhere near me , silvery beams, flying directly parallel with my head while staring right up, right above me (like not that high up). I've seen some of the orbs turn into fast beams of light. Even on some nights where there are no orbs i will see sparks and flashes of light in the sky right where I'm looking. I'll wave and then another spark flash. It's still them. There could be somewhere between 5-20 of them each night. some nights the interaction gets wild with orb after orb "coming out of the woodwork" everywhere i turn my head. Sometimes when i'm in the car i'll see a beam of light flying by overhead right in front of where i'm looking. I think it is literally the coolest thing ever and I'm honestly very thankful I get to have experiences like this. They are essentially my friends at this point. They have also followed me to a different state in a remote location, and back home of course. What are they exactly? well I don't know. I can't use my human language programming to try and define something I most likely will not fully understand with a human mind, but if i had to guess I think they are intelligent beings with thought forms/mind types that are probably very advanced that are most likely interdimensional and can come in and out of 3d vibration and higher vibrational states of consciousness. (well humans do that too! haha. all things do that) They are very playful with me and sometimes when i cast out a mental intention like for them to go really fast, I'll see some beams of light flying fast lol. The fact I am experiencing this is my personal form of consciousness mind creating that experience within my hallucination of reality. I honestly don't really even find it out of the ordinary because the fact we are even here, experiencing this dream here is mind blowing in and of itself. Once you've awakened and see god you know its all you anyways. But just wanted to share. So yeah essentially I literally have non human intelligent friends in the form of light balls and beams/streaks of light that come by and interact with me, I feel that they are my friends. Because once you've had experiences like this 100s of times and nearly every day, you can't deny that they are communicating with you personally. I always look forward to my nightly ritual contact with them and I love them. Sometimes I think about humans in the past like 100s or 1000s of years ago having experiences like this, because I'm sure they've been around for quite some time haha. There are probably millions/billions etc of them. (i dont actually know that i'm just making assumptions) But i try to imagine what a human being in an older past would've thought, how their minds would interpret them using their programming in those times. Are they connected to "physical" humanoid alien beings? well I dont know about that, there's always a potentiality for that i guess. But the spectrum of what 99% of humans are aware of and experiences is very narrow compared to the full spectrum of infinity. Like I said, I personally don't really even find it out of the ordinary, at least not anymore with a daily schedule of this. When this first started, this entire ongoing contact, I had taken a psychedelic called 4-ho-met (metocin). In that month of september i took it once a week for 4 weeks over the month and each time i was mostly outside at night alone. I've seen some other interesting things around that time like translucent black crafts and other styles of beams etc. But thats just when all this started. I have not taken any psychedelic since then and I've had most of my contact experiences after. The way I felt at the start was shocked and in awe but now its completely normal to me. I have some theories revolving around the possibility that when in those states of consciousness on the drug, I could've casted out a different type of mental energy that they picked up on and came to observe and interact. I dont know if thats legit or not because i'll never actually know, but it only started then, not on any past psychedelic use before that. It's just mind boggling to hallucinate being a human here and having friends that are not human and highly intelligent that come by and say whatsup to me on a daily basis. Pretty out of the ordinary to most humans. But when you think about how reality itself is an infinite hallucination and how your mind is creating all of it for "you" to experience, it really doesn't seem that crazy. But because 99% of humans are not awakened and don't see reality and god in themselves, the development of their human creation/understanding is not on the same playing field so to speak. I know i'm not the only one with these experiences though. It may be rare but there are many others who also have the same or similar experiences. The type of mind I have is extremely creative, imaginative and highly analytical, not sure if that plays a role in any of this but it could. Sometimes i picture looking at myself from outside of myself standing on the ground interacting with these beings at night as if i was watching it from another point of view. When you see it from that pov it seems magical. another thread in the tapestry of infinity. If anyone reading this has some experiences they'd like to share or have any questions feel free.

I haven't felt like this in a very long time. I'm feeling peaceful and in-sync with reality. I feel complete. Perfect. When I first awakened, it was peaceful but chaotic. Then it was peaceful through different states, including sad, hurt, excited, tired, bored, etc... Things can change. But peace remains. I have it. I am it.

I see. Maybe that's why awakened people call this a "dream", implying that waking up to truth is inevitable. Thank you for the replies.

Consciousness empty of psychological content as in strong desires of cravings and aversions, which in turn stimulates incessant and compulsive thinking and emoting that veils the Self or Awareness, is what he is talking about. Consciousness becomes unconscious when it is under the spell of its strong desires , not when it is empty and devoid of psychological content. Pure consciousness implies experiences without the psychological imprints from the same. For example an unconsious or unawakened person who is walking along a street filled with attractive ads and banners of various products , would be spell bound by the glitter and glamour surrounding the same and be moved to buy those products even if they are not of any practical utility to him or her. An awakened sage on the other hand would walk through the same street totally conscious but without any psychological impressions or imprints on his mind by the same seductive ads and banners. He might buy an umbrella or raincoat if it suits his practical needs in case it is raining but nothing more than that.

If someone did awaken to realize they were God, in a complete state of omnipresent consciousness… they would be the most conscious thing in the universe. If anyone did this, that would be true. This is only true if it’s possible, if that’s the true nature of reality, consciousness and if you are truly God. Only by actually becoming God, can someone truly know God due to its ontological nature. This does not negate non-duality. For those who have studied non-dual shiva tantra or even Taoism they would know from the Tao, or from Shiva… God, which is perfect union with itself totally awake and eternal… comes all our finite reality. If God is true, and the big bang is not then the true science would have to include God, Awakening and Infinity. I have not seen a single person completely strongman the big bang. They always say “nothing existed, but if we bring in X…. Then they changes everything”….. True understanding would have to close the gap between consciousness and the origin of consciousness. Reality that created itself would have to remerge into to completely understand and awaken to itself that its what it is and always has been. Then, if someone had done more philosophical work at a deeper, more broad level awakened and then returned to human consciousness they would be able to articulate this Oneness, this omnipresent truth of the fundamental nature of reality to others who are still in the dream. But, they could only communicate with with their finite psychology, limited human understanding, biases, imperfections, survival considerations, social contexts, etc. Other humans with no deep philosophical, meditative, and awakening experience would find that individual extremely threatening. They would accuse him of all sorts of things. If this is possible. But belief or disbelief isn’t good enough. If this is true, that it’s possible and can be done by most humans… but, we have never considered this widely as a species it’s surely going to be controversial because it threatens everything we know to be true. Humans literally kill and bomb over this. Humans kill for survival and to defend their relative walled garden of partial truths or even falsehoods. To me this would suggest that reality is by design not to expose us to our true nature as God. Though, over time it was built in to awaken of those who chose to do this. If it’s true. I can see that being the case. There is clearly an intelligent design to human life with lots of relative spiritual teachings, beliefs, states, religions, etc. All this is good. Finite relative reality is good. Being God all the time, being totally aware of this isn’t all it’s cut out to be forever. It’s good to sleep because I, we, have forever…. Forever. So, enjoy the dream of being human, of debating, of trying to make sense of everything and the drama. It’s all here for us to experience. But, if it’s not possible then it’s false. And, someone could think they experienced this but didn’t and it could still ultimately be true or it could be false. This is very confusing. But, how do we know what is true about the fundamental nature of reality, mind, consciousness, the origin of existence, the meaning of life, etc? Can we take any other humans word for this? Even Leo’s? No. No symbolic system is good enough. No authority in another human. If only we could directly experience what is true…. If we don’t want to pick up beliefs than we simply can’t know. So what is true that requires not believing? How does state of consciousness, which is prior to belief play into that? With regards to Leo… Expecting a guy on YouTube to be a saint, to never make a mistake, to make you feel good, when he admits to being an asshole makes no sense. He has never hidden that he is a jerk and even has a video on it. Plus, you guys are often jerks to him. So, watch for hypocrisy. I am a fan of the videos. I’m not convinced of it all being accurate. But, it’s pretty good. It helps me avoid a lot of illusion, make sense of how to approach the big picture. But, it’s a human doing it. Sooo…. I don’t expect perfection. These videos and these interactions with one man, can’t be how you go about spirituality in its entirety. Reality is brutish, it’s twisted its kind and loving but also war and bombs and sickness. You have to contend with this brutal, twisted reality we all share. All humans are in this game of survival and all by definition of being finite will have limitations, corruptions, ego, times when they aren’t kind to you, times when they don’t tickle you. Yes, many spiritual teachers are more sweet, kind, and considerate in how they speak. Leo is not like that. He has never been like that. Yet, you choose on your own free will to interact with him. Why? There is a whole mountain range of spiritual teachings out there. Explore them. Explore science explore meditation, yoga, Qigong, various mystical texts. Explore this wondering world of human knowledge and potential. I am okay with people being offended by Leo. I don’t really care about that. His actions aren’t malicious in my view. People may never agree with me, and I’m fine with that. But, if you think I’m not a warrior you are wrong. I’m kind, I’m considerate. But, I am not nice. This is a moment in time. Humans are not fully evolved. We still have religions and belief systems held together by survival, symbolic understanding and feelings emotions and comfort. None of that is true. We have a science full of corruption, religions developed by ancient tribes who still hold human kind. Is human evolution some sweet and pretty little thing? Is that how you expect it to go? No. It’s going to be ugly and confusing and challenging. Painful. Scary. Brutish often. Even in this work, people have to have backbones against those with gross double standards.

If someone did awaken to realize they were God, in a complete state of omnipresent consciousness… they would be the most conscious thing in the universe. If anyone did this, that would be true. This is only true if it’s possible, if that’s the true nature of reality, consciousness and if you are truly God. Only by actually becoming God, can someone truly know God due to its ontological nature. If God is true, and the big bang is not then the true science would have to include God, Awakening and Infinity. True understanding would have to close the gap between consciousness and the origin of consciousness. Reality that created itself would have to remerge into to completely understand and awaken to itself that its what it is and always has been. Then, if someone had done more philosophical work at a deeper, more broad level awakened and then returned to human consciousness they would be able to articulate this Oneness, this omnipresent truth of the fundamental nature of reality to others who are still in the dream. But, they could only communicate with with their finite psychology, limited human understanding, biases, imperfections, survival considerations, social contexts, etc. Other humans with no deep philosophical, meditative, and awakening experience would find that individual extremely threatening. They would accuse him of all sorts of things. If this is possible. But belief or disbelief isn’t good enough. If this is true, that it’s possible and can be done by most humans… but, we have never considered this widely as a species it’s surely going to be controversial because it would suggest that reality is by design not to expose us to our true nature as God. Though, over time it was built in to awaken of one chose to do this. If it’s true. I can see that being the case. There is clearly an intelligent design to human life with lots of relative spiritual teachings, beliefs, states, religions, etc. All this is good. Finite relative reality is good. Being God all the time, being totally aware of this isn’t all it’s cut out to be forever. It’s good to sleep because I, we, have forever…. Forever. So, enjoy the dream of being human, of debating, of trying to make sense of everything and the drama. It’s all here for us to experience. But, if it’s not possible then it’s false. And, someone could think they experienced this but didn’t and it could still ultimately be true. But, how do we know what is true about the fundamental nature of reality, mind, consciousness, the origin of existence, the meaning of life, etc? Can we take any other humans word for this? Even Leo’s? No. If we don’t want to pick up beliefs than we simply can’t know. So what is true that requires not believing? How does state of consciousness, which is prior to belief play into that? Expecting a guy on YouTube to be a saint, to never make a mistake, to make you feel good, when he admits to being an asshole makes no sense. I am a fan of the videos. I’m not convinced of it all being accurate. But, it’s pretty good. It helps me avoid a lot of illusion, make sense of how to approach the big picture. But, it’s a human doing it. Sooo…. I don’t expect perfection. These videos and these interactions with one man, can’t be how you go about spirituality in its entirety. Reality is brutish, it’s twisted its kind and loving but also war and bombs and sickness. You have to contend with this brutal, twisted reality we all share. All humans are in this game of survival and all by definition of being finite will have limitations, corruptions, ego, times when they aren’t kind to you, times when they don’t tickle you. Yes, many spiritual teachers are more sweet, kind, and considerate in how they speak. Leo is not like that. He has never been like that. Yet, you choose on your own free will to interact with him. Why? I am okay with people being offended by Leo. I don’t really care about that. His actions aren’t malicious in my view. People may never agree with me, and I’m fine with that. But, if you think I’m not a warrior you are wrong. I’m kind, I’m considerate. But, I am not nice. This is a moment in time. Humans are not fully evolved. We still have religions and belief systems held together by survival, symbolic understanding and feelings emotions and comfort. None of that is true. We have a science full of corruption, religions developed by ancient tribes who still hold human kind. Is human evolution some sweet and pretty little thing? Is that how you expect it to go? No. It’s going to be ugly and confusing and challenging. Painful. Scary. Brutish often. Even in this work, people have to have backbones against those with gross double standards.

That quote isn’t directly related to that particular claim though. @Osaid haha, I recall him saying he was wrong. Is it cult like? Is it bad that he says certain things? I mean, I can see how people interpret that. But, that’s a perspective. I don’t think it’s totally true. That the only reason he says it is to control you. But, I’m gonna wade in this water. To me, someone could be enlightened or awakened and then what is obvious to them isn’t obvious to someone else as a possibility. How do you know for sure? It could be bad, it could be that he is teaching something. You don’t know… but, you are defending yourself. Which may be wise. No teacher swings a batting average of 100%. How do we separate the noise from the signal? The useful insights from the Leo ego?

@Carl-Richard “Say that to the 8 or more people who were banned in a short time frame for merely disagreeing on him being the most awake person in existence or his methods for getting there“ Is this for sure truly why they were banned? Was it truly that they denied him being the most awakened being? I’ve seen many people on here question that openly, and say many other things about him openly. “In this thread, I gave a definition of a cult and Leo said "you speak of things you don't even understand" and "it is shameful that I even need to explain this to anyone here". In the other cult thread, I asked him about his definition of a cult and what he thought mind control is, and he said I don't understand what I'm talking about and that I'm disrespectful for even considering entertaining the topic and that I don't deserve his teachings.” Could it be he really thinks that’s that case? That he does find it disrespectful given his definition of a cult and efforts to avoid this?

@zurew Yes, I wanna cut through other peoples opinions ultimately. It’s important to do so, and you bring up lots of strong points to consider. Adding me to a list? Fuck off. Actualized should be deconstructed and questioned because if not it is a trap. 🪤 Even if not like intentional or malicious, cult like following of actualized should be questions and brought up. Claims like being the most awakened thing is the universe should be red flags to everyone. As well as Leo being an Alien, or whatever. Leo’s tendency to stand and tell people if there trips are accurate or not. All these things are murky and should be questioned. But, at the same time, anger is there for a reason. Sometimes it has to cut through. But, should be reflected on if it’s a deception mechanism. As a general rule, and to forum guidelines I don’t lash out like that. But, sometimes I express it. I’ve been here for a long time. I know I can be held accountable to swearing. But, also I choose this time to allow that expression. Whatever is true, is true. That’s a good thing I think. 🤔

You could say it was for political reasons as well and to control the ignorant masses and riding them with carrot and stick ..the stick being hell . But I don’t think that’s the existential origin for this story of hell. Remember that religion is essentially forms of spiritual teachings which have been watered down to mainstream society..the exoteric sects like Cathedral Catholic or Sunnah Wahhabism. People like Jesus or Mohammed were supposedly awakened beings who had interpreted their awakenings into stories and tales to Make sense of the world . In the mind of Christian’s and Muslims hell is a place you go to after death because you rejected god ..but hell to Jesus himself is the state of being disconnected from god right now . That’s how I feel about it . thanks for your support I appreciate it .

Heard. Fair. May I inquire, most respectfully? Why did you laugh? What is laughing? Why does The Buddha ( the awakened ) laugh?

I am the most awakened Crabster in existence

My life was so hard. So evil. So normal. And so abnormal. But then I experienced love and connection beyond my wildest imagination. Most people dream of it. They yearn for it. They write poems and songs about it. But very few actually live it. It wasn't unconditional love. Just human love, in its most extreme forms, and in its highest levels. True love. It was so pure, so rare. I was so lucky to have it, even if it couldn't last. She had the purest heart. Innocent as a baby. And fierce as a soldier. One taste, and I could never go back. It changed my entire being. It healed me. It awakened me. I could never settle for less. I could never get over it. I could never get over her. 💔

God is an infinitely conscious self-recursive system with perception mediating the bridge between everyday awareness and Absolute Love. See? Talk is cheap. Now imagine that it isn't so blatant. Start talking like that. Polish that kind of nonsense and expand on it, and gullible people will love it and start thinking of yourself as "awakened." They won't know the difference.

I had a friend once who seemed to have gone through a failed spiritual awakening. We’re the same age. We shared classes during our last year of high school. He was genuinely intelligent and ended up becoming a dentist. Our spiritual awakenings probably happened around the same time, though we never spoke about it directly. My own awakening was a messy process. But I’m grateful for whatever happened, and happy with where I am today. I remember something from a few years ago: I was hiking in the city and meditating as part of my daily spiritual practice when I saw him. There had been signs for a week that I would run into him. Anyway, we started walking together and talked vaguely about our journeys and insights. He was deeply into philosophy—reading all the greats, especially the modern Europeans. Yet somehow, despite his knowledge and inherent intelligence, he seemed completely lost. Mistaking the map for the territory. One thing he said to me stands out. After I told him I was happy, even though my life was a mess, he said that wasn’t right and that I should see a psychiatrist (like he did) because "the correct" response to mess should be panic, not happiness. It turned out he had misunderstood the entire thing, treating it as something wrong rather than the rare gift it is—something to appreciate and hold onto. He was brainwashed by culture, convinced that he was wrong to think and question. He looked at the gift he had, threw it away, and replaced it with dogmas. Conformity killed his spirit, and so he never awakened. Now that I’ve completed my journey, I can look back and see clearly. I know exactly the differences between his path and mine. What’s interesting is that my awakening mostly happened by luck of the draw. I’m not smarter than him, not richer, not even as hardworking. Yet my specific circumstances allowed me to stay on the right path, despite all the challenges and difficulties. It was Grace's work, not mine. I have other people in my life with similar tragic stories, each with different twists, and none of them is awake either (yet). All they had to do was jump, but they didn't. They were too afraid and sought safety in what's known and established instead of what's right even if unknown. Grateful for everything—especially the clarity I have now. I wouldn’t trade my current state for any other.