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In my experience Benthino is not a bad guy, but idk if he is awakened. Tried some things of his. There is the truth somewhere, but not much radiance as i would feel from a traditional hindu advaita guru. Now what he does with the influence and power that is none of my business. Anyone who teaches consciousness will have problems in the society.

I never saw this one; watching it now, I'm enjoying it and can relate to what Leo is speaking about so much. I actually shed a few tears while watching this. Has Leo awakened to being God? Yes, many times.

The word "Dream" is another way to refer to a loose clan in Gaelic believe it or not. "Plant" is Latin, though its somewhat relevant to the word "clan", granted that it comes from Gaelic/Old Irish "clann". As then there's "sìol" meaning "clan as the seed/lineage of a specific founder", or even more directly "cinneadh" is Scottish Gaelic for kindred (kin) tribe or people (literally "ceann", head + "cinnidh", of the kindred). A clan specifically as descendants of one of your ancestors, would've been "fine", or "tuath" is a clan as a people occupying a land. The word "dream" collides w/ the unrelated Irish word "taibhreamh" (sleep-dream) and, more annoyingly, w/ the English word "dream", so most results will show the English origin of the word, even though, if im to understand, theres atleast 2-3 different words that look like "dream" (Gaelic "dream" is closer to "dhr'am", as there's no /ea/ diphthong) But going back to dream, as in sleep dream, ὀνείρατος, its opposed to a waking vision / reality, "bi a' bruadar" in Scottish Gaelic, "to be sleeping", point being, theres several words and terms for a dream (sleep-dream) followed by several definitions. Technically reality is a kind of dream, but its different enough to make it distinct. Its the opposite of what happens while asleep, you gain control and you lose that sense of "anything can happen" happening, though its possibly easier from the point of reality, to understand it. Consider that, no one feels like theyve awakened from "reality" after theyve fallen asleep, like no one says "i finally understood reality, after i woke up ... in my dream" -thus its rare enough to point to what im tryina say, which is that, the sentiment of *waking up* can be more easily accessed while awake (prior to falling into a dream). And when i say "dream" it could mean many different things. Daydreaming could be a dream, or any cyclical thought could, As you can feel it in your head when the felt dream is becoming a real dream (inb4 "nodding off") To understand dreams, and thus, to understand waking reality, is to understand all the folded strands that equate to that sense of dreaming, what it means, what it could mean... As reality is the assumption that you "think your in control", more so than a dream. That is, to understand anything is to understand all the strands that make it up, in its vast, multi dimensional stage of possibility. p.s. this is part one of atleast a two part discussion, so, expect more, but it wont be this early... itll be after midnight when everyones asleep.

Yea, I've thought similarly And let's not even get started on the energy stuff Hundreds of trips, "fully awakened" yet you don't hear talk about kundalini energy etc, as if that's not included in the higher levels. Not thinking only of Leo now (as I don't remember all he has said), but more in general now in regards to claims like that in certain niches in spiritual community...

That would be helpful if my problem was unhappiness. But I'm dealing with an intellectual/philosophical question here, and it needs an intellectual answer. My knowledge feels like a memory, it was awakened in me after I studied some of the new age teachings, is how it feels, so to stop believing in it I would need some good arguments. Your teachers may act like they don't have any beliefs and that they are not the body, but in their daily life they have many beliefs that they act on, including in a sense the belief that they are the body. So you know that god is infinite, and you know exactly what being infinite means for an infinite being? And this is based on an experience you got from psychedelics? I think you are wrong about it. Yes we certainly have different beliefs. New agers believe that nothing is a coincidence, everything in our lives is planned/done by our higher selves and spirit guides to guide you towards enlightenment. God does have a personality, but it's almost impossible for a human to access it and get to know it, don't expect your psychedelics to give you access, a spiritual teacher I know tried to channel god, she had to fast for many days and prepare but she only got access to an "outer layer" very close to god, I think it was called "the one", it had a very pure, innocent personality, it was curious about the humans it spoke with. I won't take on your beliefs, because they don't make sense to me. They feel like a chaotic attempt to understand the world by a frog in a well. We have limits, that's why we need information from beings in higher dimensions who see things from a larger perspective.

Yes, it was a good read. Although I think he would have gotten better results if he used a different meditation technique. Like the fire kasina. He used mantras. His goal were hallucinations/meetings with deities. Mantras alone are much slower than the fire kasina in this regard. It definitely awakened my desire to lock myself in a cave/monastery.

He says he is the only absolutely awakened. "No one in actualized.org forum is enlightened". His dream is "people realizes God" but at the same time, anything that doesn't fit in his way "is stupid".

Yes I know that, it just wasn't included in my comment It also depends if you define being awakened as something you can be because of peaks, or its defined based on your baseline state. I think of it in terms of ones baseline. Peaks are "awakened states" to me. Analogy: During the day, you are not dreaming (I'm referring to nightly dreams now) even if you would have nightly dreams every night. No, what you got of the nightly dreams during the day, is simply memory. No amount of nightly dreams, will make your daytime state a dream It ties to your point

Awakening is a lot different than most expect. It's not becoming or behaving any certain way, like most think! But it can appear that way looking from the outside. It's unconditional perfection & simultaneously complete chaos.....it's all inclusive! Similarly to someone that never stops traveling physically, awakening is a free float mentality. Nobody is left grounded in beliefs or to being a certain way, but again, it could appear that way looking from the outside. Day to day functioning is easier in a lot of ways, but anything can happen. The self character cannot grasp this. It lives in "the story" of meaning, purpose and value. It views everything from a learned conditioned perspective. It cannot fathom non-perspective reality. You simply cannot become awakened. It's not a something thats attainable for a someone. It's the end of that seeking energy thats trying to become enlightened. When it's recognized clearly, it's permanent for nobody. There isn't a Leo already, so the question stems from a misunderstanding.

Not siddhis. It's difficult to talk about awakening since I am not awakened but for the experiences that I did have it seems ridiculous that someone can still be in ego after let's say what I experienced multiplied by 1000(let's say awakening is that). And not just once, dozens of times since he stuffed himself with 5-meo and the like. I don't know, his wording and attitude seems of, it's something I am sensing. Not saying he didn't experience stuff, he definely did -- that much is felt. But I don't know if his path is complete or fully awakened as the old traditions would say. It's interesting that you make a distinction between awakening and enlightenment, could you elaborate more on that?

I see. One of the reasons I bring this topic up is because of Leo's questionable statements and behaviours people witnessed here on the forum and sometimes the language he uses and attitude. So it does bring some incoherence with what I would consider awakened one behaviour and language . Not that I know what is meant by "awakening" either, but yeah I'm curious to hear people's opinions.

Yea, makes sense, then what people define as being awakened/awakening differs, so its part of the ambiguity of the topic, partly why I didnt mention it as I don't know always what is meant by it....

Not just me, I am not the Only Awakened Being (OAB) here.

where does mystics fits into the model? For example where would you put Buddha? Surely you wouldn't say he has inferior functions or demon functions lol. As he is supposedly to be a perfectly integrated being, so I think the model does not track awakened ones🤔🤔 We need an mbti for mystics and people who integrated and developed all aspects of mind

@Breakingthewall My personal experience with those very mystical profound nondual states was through psychedelics, in meditation has been many various states but nothing close to usr of DMT, it was levels of blissfulness and at ease states free from suffering and the attachment to the body. Sometimes of course very strange things happens in meditation. My way i see enlightenment, is the process of entertaining the stream according to the Buddha and the various stages of "confidence" one has through truly understanding how suffering arises and ceases. So, with defilements, the fading away and cessation of defilements, one can think of enlightenment as "lighting up the load." So theres really nothing to attain, or gainin that context, its just a total let go. Anytime you let go of a defiling thought, youre lighting that load right there in the moment, the heavy load of selfishness. It could be a thought of desiring enlightenment, and being satisfied with the here and now, thats good enough, and doing that moment by moment, until theres really nothing left but reality and basically continually developing that confidence i mentioned until theres no falling back. That moment one would be an arahant, or a fully purified being free from all the troubles of the defilements (greed , hatred delusions) and considered fully awakened

I am not awakened, but I might have some insight into this. As an artist who creates worlds of my own, I, as the Allmind, create all these things. But I am not part of them. They are happening within me. I give them the freedom to choose. Some fall low, while others rise up and awaken to the fact that they are part of me. But I am not there doing bad things. It is the characters' own decisions. Good and evil do not go hand in hand. It is a choice: to remain in ignorance or to seek the truth. If all my characters knew that they were all one, there would be no evil. Duality and non-duality exist at the same time. The characters live within my imagination, which is one, and yet they experience separation from me. I am not the characters, but they are part of me. Like cells in my body. But they are not me. So I am aloof from their actions. And I do feel every suffering, every pain they feel, their losses, and their struggles. Both good and evil men. Sometimes the pain is incredibly intense...

@Max1993 reality is an infinite mind. Because this Mind is infinite, its total / absolute. This means its everything. Notice that there can only be 1 everything. Because if there was something outside of everything it wouldnt be everything. This also means that any difference between anything is a relative imagined distinction. Because from the absolute pov the substance of everything is mind. Now you can deconstruct every aspect of experience until all that remains is pure conciousness. Conciousness devoid of any quality or substance. Along with that realization you will also realize there is no difference between something and nothing. You will also realize there never was a human self / body/ mind. Because again these are all imaginary distinctions that collapse. Now pertaining back to your question. From the absolute awakened pov, there is no difference between a nightly dream character or day dreamed character and yourself. They are all just as imaginary. Whatever Conciousness is consciously imagining is the only thing that exists. So if you imagine a day dream character isnt "real" that is true. If you imagine a night time character is real that becomes true. Because you are imagining everything and everyone NO ONE not even Leo can answer the question of what is real. Because everyone and their answers are second order to your mind and imaginary process. Their answers are something you creating. Its your dream, unlock the door to infinity and dream the best dream possible. We are dealing with the actuality of being able to imagine anything.

If life is a dream, then where is the awakened evidence? You can't call something a dream while inside of it. Calling it a dream would contradict the nature of the dream, because a dream is ultimately an illusion happening inside a larger reality. If life is a video game, then where is the source code? What are the rules? Are you the player or the programmer? And where is the game occuring? If it's neither, and these are just analogies, then an analogy is not an explanation.

It's actually what reality is. Leo is right that its imaginary and Infinity or One. You shouldn't make a mockery of that. Yeah some on here think they're awakened and all that. But the premise of idealism is real.

Ah yes, the great psychedelic enlightenment Olympics. May the most awakened bro win the crown.

I can come up with one reason in favor of health: the less healthy you are, the more your survival needs are exacerbated, and the more locked into the survival paradigm you get. Some people suffer so much that they end up completely escaping survival and going straight to the spiritual realm. It would be another route to awakening, we might speculate. I don’t consider myself fully awakened so I am mostly speculating rather than speaking from personal experience.

I find it interesting and frightening at the same time that there is a possibility of having a sudden intense Awakening experience sober that is equally profound when taking a psychedelic. To be honest, I never thought it would happen to me. Today I woke up from sleeping, at which I had a dream of me living a totally different life for decades. When I suddenly woke up, I couldn't bear the reality that it ended and now I'm in a different reality. The thought of neither one being less real in my mind triggered an Awakening experience which led me to recognize that this reality is a dream through and through. I was swimming in pure NOTHINGNESS and EMPTYNESS for a minute. The distinction between my nightly dreams and waking reality was TOTALLY unimagined. I was left ALONE, because I am DREAMING the dream that everyone is part of. Endlessly Melting! Too profound! The realization that no one has truly awakened or will ever wake up other than myself is truly shocking!

The Ultimate Question of life in my opinion is How can I be the servant of God on Earth. Even if it is a biased question if you ask it sincerely directing the intuition to follow your heart, the doors shall open for you to live a good life. We all know that deep inside ourselves we know that this life is not eternal.. there's something wrong within it. We know that there is something that goes beyond our life, and we know that by instinct, we don't need to go to a church, mosque,meditate to know that divinity beats our miserable life. This post is not for people who have awakened or got enlightened. This post for your regular chad who has been going through suffering for a long time , battling between a conflict between their mind and their heart. This post is for people who don't know their life purpose, who are always running around in circles , inside a never ending maze, a Labyrinth! You need to ask yourself this question to open the doors in your heart. The question is simply and shortly : How can I be the servant of god on Earth? There are many religions and many traditions. Buddhism , Hinduism, Christianity , Islam etc.. But this question you will ask yourself not to find the right tradition. And not to go to the church , and not to go to the mosque , and not like buddhists do sit 10 hours meditating. This question is for you to find what lies inside your heart at your own pace. Ask yourself this question daily, Ask ur soul , not your mind. Ask your heart. How can I be the servant of god on earth? That doesn't entail that you know what god is, or what the heck is consciousness. You don't have to know what consciousness is , that again will come after a while and maybe it won't ever come that in your lifetime you get to the bottom of the answer. But this question is a redirecting question, we can say a compass , to find your orientation. You don't have to keep suffering in life, you don't have to battle suffering I've battled suffering for years, but finally I found out that that should be the ultimate question I should ask my soul. There are no other questions needed. If you can be the servant of god on earth , that could be many things, it could mean going to the church or a mosque or meditate , or trip on lsd and dmt , it could mean you could be a teacher, an artist, a technician , a businessman or whatever, the route is not the same for everyone the route is different. But the question will lead you towards the route.

If you read any spiritual tradition..you will find that the founders of those religions have awakened when they abandoned society and isolated themselves. Take Buddha. he left a luxurious life of being a Prince and went to the woods meditating until he either wakes up or dies there . Take Muhammad.he awakend in his 40s after he became fed up with his society's worship of idols . He used to meditate alone in a cave before he awakened one night. When the enlightened person dies , people turn their teachings into rules : “You gotta walk like this , talk like this , eat like this , shit like this , have sex with your spouse like this “. Stage blue religion is all about morality and god-given guidelines. the religious institutions’ functions nowadays is organizing society.

Ahh, my dear @LordFall. i am not sure if you planned it as a trick question or not..but you cannot "know" it 😀 Agreed. I was just being funny. I think about it but it isn't like I have the urge to nudge the noodle all day long. I feel for those that do. But seriously I agree that we should be more flexible as awakened individuals to be more diverse. Speaking of diversification, do you think Ramana had ETF's? The point is there is nothing wrong with any of this. Incorporate and include all stages 😀