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I thought disciplined meditation would train my mind to be quiet, but I’ve found there is no such thing as that. On this level, the brain truly is just an appearance in the dream world. What seems to determine the focus or lack thereof of my mind has more to do with which ancestor or entity I’ve had in my aura lately, and how many stressors are appearing in my 3D reality. But over the past year I’ve had experiences of meditating on nonduality for 4 hours, then getting up and seeming to fall right back into a thought form of agitation. Similarly I’ve gone without meditation and reached very calm clear states of mind after a run or an orgasm. It frustrates me that there seems to be no progressive way to train and discipline my mind, it’s just one more appearance in the dream world, of which my control over is only illusory. Anyone else have this experience, oh fellow appearances in the dream world?

Started with nonduality, meditating on I Am. Have done a lot of heart chakra meditation. I learned Vipassana at the retreat I went to. Working my way thru the Gateway Tapes and have experimented with Carlos Casteneda’s techniques. Pranayama, energy work, a lot of chakra work, plus mantras. Starting to work with the Violet Flame and the spiritual rays now.

I remember when Leo first started going into spiritual topics, this was I think 2018 or 2019, and I was at the right place and time to go full on into that journey with him, not knowing what I would find. It was all new to me, I thought nonduality was this radical concept. I thought I'd discovered some secret of the universe. I thought that getting into spirituality would make me smarter, more in tune, closer to a supreme intelligence, possibly even able to discover new knowledge and help improve the world in some way. Instead what I've discovered is that all of the information in my reality is and has always been carefully manipulated at all times to give me certain impressions of things, based largely on my already conditioned beliefs. The world is broken on purpose, because perfection is supposedly boring. In fact, the world is just an appearance and in my human form, I may as well be a cartoon character. And God or whatever was there the entire time, watching every one of my pains. I supposedly deserved them because I didn't learn certain lessons. Because I was making decisions thinking I was a person who lived in a world. I thought I was completely alone and made no impact. I thought my decisions didn't matter and no one was paying attention. I also thought that being polite and following the rules was the best course of action, and boy is every single piece of stimulus in my reality now determined to tell me that is not the case. Has anyone else been dragged into this storyline of how the billionaires are keeping the common man down, and golly we just gotta rise up and restore the natural order of things? I liked society the way it was. I'm not looking for a crash to the system. But I guess I had finally made a life for myself in the secular world I thought I lived in, finally figured out how to stop feeling so much inexplicable emotional pain, so now God's gotta bring the hammer down. I guess every single person I ever saw in my life was also an illusion, but I have seen so many people who had no relationship with God who were healthier than me, more energetic, happier, better teeth, more friends, more laughter, more joy. I'm not sure why I have to be God's bitch boy. I followed a religion, and the people who followed it less strictly than me got rewarded more. So I stopped following it. But I never ended up fitting into secular society much, most of my life I've been a loner. I had good friends, and none of them had any kind of relationship with God, and they also were happier, healthier and enjoyed more and better relationships than I ever did. So then I got into spirituality and over the past 5 years I have seen so many people who have all, day after day, delivered to me the most banal spiritual "advice" while living lives that seem more functional than my life ever has been. No matter what my relationship to God is, it seems I'm always doing it wrong, always on the outs, can never get it together, and everyone around me is just doing so much better than I ever have, without any practice. So is that what this is? God became man so man could sit in a hologram of self-degradation? I'm surrounded by people who don't have to have a meditation practice, who didn't have to invest several years in a "spiritual journey," but have more loving families and better teeth than I ever will? I remember when I started this shit I thought I was gonna get smarter lol... instead I just learned the metaphysical parameters of a clown world. It basically just comes down to squirting love through your diaphragm, and whoever can do that the most, wins, I guess.

It isn't nonduality itself that is toxic tbh. Grasping the interconnectedness of all things is an important facet of awakening. However, nonduality is sometimes used as a dogma to claim that the self does not exist. It is used to deny the self, and is therefore self-destructive. To truly grasp the interconnectedness of all things, you must realize that it is only through YOU which all things are connected. And YOU are the only master of your own destiny. If your approach is to constantly deny the YOU, then your approach is too passive. If your approach is to deny the YOU in others, then your approach is too aggressive. A balanced approach would be acknowledging both the interconnectedness of the whole and the individual. You would recognize YOU as a vital aspect of the whole, capable of both receiving from and contributing to it. This avoids both the extremes of self-negation and disregard for other-selves, fostering both a sense of agency and responsibility within the individual.

@strangelooper I have the impression, that you mix nonduality with duality. Duality = Table is separate from god, Non Duality = Table is god (or a part of him, a creation of him which isn't separate from himself). It just seems like a separate Identity, but it isn't. It just seems, that you are different from myself (in duality) but ultimate we are identical because we are both god. I just want to share my view of things, I am not here to argue with you or to convince you. Just find it interesting to see other views. I am curious: How are you bringing your view together with duality / non duality? When you start with solopsism, you need to be 100% truthful: You never ever experienced something outside from yourself, outside form you perception. Do you understand that? EVERYTHING around you could be fake. EVERYTHING. The only thing you can be 100% sure is, that something (you) is perceiving. That is a very Christian view of God.

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*giving a shit 248 years of operating just fine, and I finally got over my childhood trauma, like literally last summer, and then this ridiculous scenario started. So I guess it’s just not possible to chill, work a job, share some laughs, and have a good life? If it’s not decades of unexplainable emotional pain, the outside world just randomly stops functioning? Why is life like this? What was the point of all the nonduality and meditation and shit? I feel the will to live fading.

I did not write any of this this is all Leo, actually, before I became a member of this forum, I sat back and studied the crap out of it for like 8 months until I joined. Not knowing is knowing Emptiness is formed, form is emptiness" You are both emptiness and form. awareness is just pure nothingness it's a pure void or vacuum God is an Absolute Mind. A Mind which has no other and I, therefore, all-knowing and all-powerful. When you realize that reality is just your own Mind and nothing else, you will become God. That which has no other is absolutely sovereign and self-created. To realize you are God is to realize that you created yourself. If you become infinite consciousness. You will exist as a pure abstraction, as a singularity of undifferentiated Oneness. This is your true nature. If you become fully conscious the entire universe will disappear forever. You will exist as a pure abstraction, as a singularity of undifferentiated Oneness. This is your true nature. There is nothing but infinite states of consciousness. That's all that reality is. There is no such thing as unconsciousness. Unconsciousness is an illusion. The consciousness of pure unlimited imagination is so powerful it can even imagine that it is not imagining reality and that becomes what you consider reality physical reality is a dream it's purely imaginary. The greatest illusion of this world is the illusion of separation. True liberation is actually freedom from the illusion of others. You are creating all sense of other. When you realize this all sense of other completely collapses and all sense of you disappears until all that's left is the truth consciousness is love and consciousness is the only thing that can become conscious of itself. So if you don't realize that you're God and that you're love and that you are infinite nobody else can. Because you are the only thing there is, your it you have to awaken to itself. God has to awaken to itself. Stop thinking of God as someone up there who's better than you or higher than you it's you but you are stuck in your own self you have to get over yourself to actualize yourself as God. And for you to realize that you are the only thing that exists. There is only you and everyone including yourself is a construction of your own mind. The only thing creating the illusion that there is more than one is your imagination and that's why God is an infinite field of consciousness He's not truth-seeking, he's clout-chasing. These are all great insights, but ultimately to awaken you must realize that the self is an illusion. TRUTH is actually very simple to speak: YOU ARE GOD, and reality is your Infinite Dream All were doing is trying to construct hypotheses you know that fit the data that fit what we know so far always with the caveat that we don't know much and the picture is incomplete and so on. Death is an elusion of consciousness Death is a conceptual construction of your own imagination Your critique wasn't wrong but you can literally critique anything from the relative for all of infinity. Reality is absolutely infinitely relative. You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think. To understand the nature of Love and its myriad self-manifestations is to grasp the nature of Being Itself, for the two are in fact one." No difference between subject and object, self and world. The world is the self. the core of ego: your biological back story or your biographical, finite sense of self is a conceptual construction of your own imagination You must realize that you are God because only then will you take full responsibility for your life and only then will you really understand how profound life is and what existence is. What non-duality tells us is that every duality including the duality between god and the devil is ultimately going to collapse into a unity that tells you. Another very important principle is identity is relative and fluid so literally, there is no identity within reality other than oneness so any limited identities that you create like you as a body you as a biological organism you as somebody that was born to certain parents all of these identities you have an all relative there all constructions of your mind there not absolutely true fluid and they can change and in fact, they have been changing all of your life. are united in an infinite soup of undifferentiation consciousness break through all this bullshit and see how the mind constructs all these categories and distinctions. To see how all the things you were taught as a child all the way up through university have just been categories that were constructed by the human mind by the human race and that many of these distinctions are purely conceptual there not absolute in any sense and they will ultimately all collapse as you keep observing deeper and deeper keep meditating keep contemplating keep having mystical experiences all of this will ultimately collapse into one unity one ultimate absolute truth. This leads to the net core principle which is that absolute truth exists but it can not be thought to believe imagined communicated spoken written proven or agued. The absolute truth is unlimited it's absolute that's what makes it so interesting and special and important. Another core principle is that reality is not a physical object of any kind reality is a giant mind. Human knowledge is relative truth, not an absolute truth The problem with your logic is that all the impermanent stuff (form) is also equally conscious, and is also Absolute. You have denied the absoluteness and truth of form, creating a duality between form and formless. Truth-seeking is the spiritual quest the quest of seeking the truth this is the ultimate hero's journey the holy grail is the truth-finding the truth. Self-deception you have to really appreciate the power of self-deception. So we talk about God being all-powerful that God it turns out is and in a sense that is being all-powerful, well God is so powerful that God it turns out is capable of deceiving itself that it is not God. Now that takes real power to be able to do that but also at the same time God also has enough power to overcome that deception, but of course, that's going to take some work which is why awaking is possible so God has power in both directions God has the power to fully deceive itself and God has the power to awaken itself through all that infinite deception and that's the game we are playing here in life so it's a sort of tug of war this battle between truth and delusion. There cannot be anything outside your own MIND. Because your MIND IS INFINITE. If anything existed outside your own MIND then GOD would not be omnipotent nor omniscient. As soon as you imagine any sense of "other" you lose your omnipotence and omniscience. This is the very mechanism by which GOD becomes not-GOD. It is absolutely true that all humans are a dream. You don't like to accept that because you will feel lonely and very depressed. Therefore you refuse to surrender the imagining of other people and you blame and project onto me as misunderstanding spirituality when of course the one who doesn't understand spirituality is you. You are a perfect case study of how Buddhism and nonduality lead to self-deception and false spirituality. You have been trying too hard to be a good little Buddhist boy, but none of that will ever be enough to AWAKEN. You must destroy all of Buddhism and nonduality if you actually want to AWAKEN. Pretty obvious stuff. The brain cannot hallucinate. The brain is a hallucination More like GOD learns to trust its own sovereignty. Always be kind, always!!!! never be cruel or cowardly. Jehovah increases" is a phrase that refers to the idea that God wants to give people more of his gifts, such as wisdom, strength, and love. It is also the meaning of the names Jessup and Josefine names Jessup and Josefine. Explanation Jessup A boy's name that is a phonetic spelling of the Middle English pronunciation of Joseph. Joseph comes from the Biblical Hebrew name Yehôsêph. Josefine A girl's name that is a respelling of Josephine. It is related to the biblical name Joseph. Jehovah An approximation of the holiest name of God in Hebrew. It was so sacred that it was never written or spoke Jessup is a boy’s name from the Biblical Hebrew Joseph, meaning “Jehovah increases.” Joseph ultimately derives from Yehôsêph, which has contemporary variations like Yossi and Yosef. what is going???? on, God playing games with God? Jehovah (usually rendered “Lord” in the King James Version) appears often in the Scriptures. Jehovah means “the Eternal One, the Unchangeable One, the One Who was, and is, and is to come.” When Moses met God in the burning bush, he asked His name. “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you” (Exodus 3:14). God spoke as Jehovah, the self-existent God. infinite universal mind When I was growing up, one could say I was an introvert, but you know what I became an extrovert and respected all my friends for who they were I Love you all. Now, I am more like an introvert, And you know what, so what if you are different or weird you are part of my friendship. Jessup is a surname and boy's name that means "Jehovah increases". It comes from the Biblical Hebrew name Joseph, which is derived from Yehôsêph

I never said otherwise; plus please quote where I said nonduality (or even mentioned the word here) was not illusory. You can definitely quote me saying in many instances that life just is, though.

Exactly. This is precisely what I am saying. "You are god" is just as relatively true/untrue as "you are a person". "You and me are one" is just as relatively true/untrue as "you and me are seperate". "There is no time and space" is just as relatively true/untrue as "there is time and space". "Nonduality is more true, more real, more fundamental, more divine than duality" is just as relatively true/untrue as "duality is more true, more real, more fundamental, more divine than nonduality". And none of these statements are absolutely true. In other words: The belief that duality is illusory and nonduality is not illusory is the illusion. The Absolute is neither dual nor nondual. It just IS.

Don't you always insist that there is noone here who can (not) make it out alive, or do/think/say/be anything at all? Does the question you posted above indicate that you don't actually buy into your own dogma around no self and nonduality?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/1ia19sy/a_yogi_is_found_by_the_indian_army_in_the/ for some reason couldnt post in the video section. feel free to relocate if necessary

@James123 You figure out how deep consciousness goes beyond basic nonduality yet?

Who knows that darkness that remains? Im talking about the ultimate invisible light of knowing, not light photons. Not talking about light vs dark. You are basically talking out of yo ass, pardon my french 😀 Ever heard of nonduality? You are talking about ying yang as if its 2 separate things, light vs darkness and saying darkness is stronger than light. Ying Yang is a marriage between darkness and light, its absolute love, and this makes it the light of awareness. The one that knows that darkness you speak of, is the light of awareness, you need the light of awareness to know ANYTHING, including that darkness that you appearantly perceive as ultimate.

Anyone else? It started like 15 months ago I think when i started watching Nonduality talks more often. Jim Newman, Swami something something etc. Then like 5 months ago started watching even a lot more Rolls Roye (Roes) Suzanne, Emmerson then Kenneth and a few days ago Alexis. It’s quite an enjoyable addiction thus far though. Just quite soothing to listen to this nonsensical stuff. I try to listen to other stuff like politics, war and whatever but it’s mostly just too annoying. Who cares about Trump, wars and all that nonsense (not judging just doesn’t interest me at the moment)

A few nice Nonduality (for the lack of a better word) talks I was listening to in the past few days Why am I posting it? Not sure. Maybe someone is bored, they can help someone or someone wants something soothing to listen to to sleep.

Ultimately everything must be accepted, love, peace, beauty, wonder, fear, damage, death, torture, the stars, sunsets, Nazis, bliss, torment. From the highest possible beauty to the most depraved possible evil. Light, darkness. Purity, evil. Nothing can be rejected. Even separation is included in nonduality. If there is only one thing that has and will ever exist, it is not possible for that thing to not be anything

Well, that's a big mistake. Truth requires understanding. That's not the issue. The issue is lack of consciousness and understanding. Everything that comes and goes is Truth, but there is way more to Awakening and God than that. Don't assume that your guy comprehends God. He's parroting a lot of boilerplate nonduality, which he learned from following some other guy like himself without question, which you will now repeat. And on the chain of human spiritual ignorance goes. God is way more profound and advanced than all that. But I appreciate you sharing this document. It has its place.

If you're interested in nonduality, but don't follow an organized religion, how important is the concept of faith to you? I'm curious because for a couple of years I grooved on nonduality, meditating on oneness, and reading about Brahman. I thought I lived in an impersonal universe. Turned out I didn't read far enough ahead. Earlier this year, Ishvara, or just something more akin to infinite intelligence, or a more traditional idea of God has been revealing itself to me. I'm never exactly sure what I'm perceiving, all I really know is that I know nothing, right. But I've been surprised the last few months how resistant, resentful and unsettled I am that an all-powerful and aware transcendent intelligence really has been watching me this whole time (hey God!)... I'm still really resentful about the religious school I attended as a kid, and it's a severe mindfuck that there is something more than just the base, ineffable substrate of the universe. You mean you were watching the whole time? I feel like I'm right back to being a kid, struggling with free will vs fate, and really struggling with humility. The way I feel by default is very resentful about this, but I know that's not very skillful or helpful. I have been paralyzed in terms of returning to the world in much of a meaningful way since discovering nonduality, because I feel like I simply don't know where I stand. It kinda helped my emotional health a little bit, I was severely suicidal, depressed and dysfunctional leading up to that discovery, and since then I've been kinda limping along, thinking maybe one day I would figure out how to motivate myself to do things like socialize, start a business, try to get a job that isn't near minimum wage, but I feel like if there's an intelligence watching me, and I have already befallen the many struggles and crises and just overall complete and utter psychological and spiritual dysfunction I've felt in my life, and that intelligence oversaw all that suffering, I don't have much hope for the future. I literally had more hope when I believed God didn't exist, and I'm kinda not sure how to proceed now. I've just been defaulting to Vipassana meditation and gratitude practice, but it's kinda like once the high vibe wears off after a couple hours, I'm just back in the ego mind, which feels absolutely hopeless, and of course is conditioned to be fearful and is not at all welcoming of the "good news" that I am surrounded by intelligent Love. I seem to be vacillating between being high on meditation and prayer practices that cause me to believe in delusional love and light stuff, then being busted back down to depression sadness when I try to make contact with the world. I am kinda surprised that all these years of trauma recovery and study of spiritual practice and the human psyche have not really afforded me any confidence in the relative world. I'm not really sure how to project my intentions into the world or into the future. I was kinda curious what you consciousness explorers make of the concept of faith, if you're coming from a specifically NON-religious paradigm. I'm kinda thinking this whole nonduality trip was just a cul-de-sac of spiritual masturbation designed to turn an agnostic into a believer, and when I'm filled up with gratitude or samadi, I feel hopeful. But the hunk of meat that makes up my human mind is fucking disgusted and sad, I guess I'd always hoped that the ultimate real truth was something completely different from just... "magical irrational God just arbitrarily fucking with me by teaching me bullshit 'lessons.'" Even after all this meditation I'm struggling to place my faith in that. I guess I was deluding myself with nonduality that maybe I, the little me, was really "it," but it's becoming clear that I'm not. It's not that I thought I was that great, I guess I just thought if I lived in a cold, uncaring universe at least that meant that it really was all my fault, and I could do something about it with my merit, and instead it seems there's forces beyond my control after all, and it makes me feel sad and powerless.

I absolutely loved the videos where Leo tackled scientific concepts and mixed them with structural-stage yellow ideas. Quantum Mechanics Debunks Materialism Relativism Leo has mentioned the idea of creating a video on Chaos Theory. Here are some questions that can be explored: What is Chaos? How do mathematicians/scientists/philosophers define it? What is Chaos Theory? Why is it that life feels so chaotic and unpredictable? Why is it that no matter how much we study something, it's never "enough"? E.g. how an economist can spend decades studying economics models, yet make bad predictions again and again on how the inflation/unemployment/GDP will be in the future. Why does the word "chaos" have a bad connotation? Why didn't "God" create a simple universe with few variables? How come no single philosophy or ideology can fully encapsulate the complexity of life? (not even Nonduality) Why is the universe so chaotic? Even outside this tiny planet, even far in the distance into space, there are quasars, black holes, all sorts of strange, complex objects What are the metaphysical implications of Chaos Theory? What epistemological errors do we make when we distinguish "chaos" from "non chaos"? What are useful perspectives we can adopt from it, to grow in life?

So after studying nonduality for a little while, I think I understand god. God is experiencing itself through multiple forms including me right I know that is the cliche but here is what gets me. On the conceptual level, I have cerebral palsy. So did god imagine a limit so I can have a unique view point. I get confused when Leo says I'm imagining my own limits when I have physical limitations. Just wanted to gain some clarity on that thank you.

I followed Nargis back when she was a non dual speaker/coach. She then went onto preaching Pranic Living. Now she changed her name to maryam magdaleina and believes she is Christ Conscious and has all sorts of weird views on how women & men should behave. She also believes bentinho massaro is her twin flame/lover and is interacting with her through energy. She is super defensive and attacks others and is super judgemental now. It's crazy interesting to see her develop from nondual clarity into this. Anyways, I wanted to get your thoughts and comments on this. Related Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/17j6sg1/comment/k70ftxk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

yes, thanks for your reply i will look into it. i feel awaking is very exaggerated, but I am a beginner in spirituality and meditation. i listen, and understand more about nonduality and stuff through Advaita vedant, upnishad-type stuff. i initially got into spirituality after being a nihilist for a long time just to see a new perspective on life.

An issue I've been grappling with for a long time is the bliss vs truth dilemma in spirituality. A lot of people who practice spirituality do it to achieve a happier state, whether they frame it as escaping suffering, having peace of mind, or experiencing divine bliss. But spirituality should be truth-seeking, and when truth is your goal it doesn't matter if you feel blissful, sad, energetic, or slightly despondent. You are searching for what is actually the case, asking what is reality really. When spiritual teachers like Sadhguru say, "Would you rather be blissful or sad? Blissful, yes... isn't it?" and then people inevitably say yes, I can't help but see this as a spiritual deception. To an actual truth seeker, it isn't enough to just pick blissfulness over negativity. Blissfulness, based on our typical drive for experiencing positive emotions, seems better, but does it actually lead to truth? Maybe, maybe not. You can't make that assumption! And I see spiritual people doing this all the time. Then there's an even deeper issue, which is what truth seeking really is. It only takes a little consciousness to see that everything we do is motivated by desire for one thing or another that always circles back to the self, sometimes directly and sometimes more indirectly. If you haven't grasped this notion, contemplate it, and you will see that it's true, similar to how everything in the universe can always be traced back to oneness- nonduality 101. So even searching for truth is just a desire that's ultimately arbitrary and only for the purpose of your own fulfilment. The problem with just going for bliss is that in choosing that path and not knowing whether it leads to truth or not, you're essentially giving into the relativity of your experience and just going with what feels right thinking that everything is relative. And if you are going for bliss, you don't have a guarantee that it will lead to truth- it may be the opposite. So then the spiritual seeker (which is my situation right now) is in a dilemma of wanting to pursue truth but not knowing whether it exists or is just based on desire. Hopefully it was clear what I'm trying to get at. This is an existential quagmire about truth, bliss. and relativity. I'd appreciate any insights people have, especially @Leo Gura as a truth-seeker.

I reject this whole nonduality frame. Serious Consciousness is beyond all that. If you wanna keep swimming around in circles at this plane of consciousness, go ahead. I will not argue with you further.