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Interesting to hear non-duality referred to as a teaching. The words meaning is pointing to everything as one without a second, all encompassing, nothing excluded. It insinuates the bodies natural tendency to separate, categorize, individualize, personalize and attempt to control its surroundings is just an egoic survival strategy/instinct the body develops from birth. There's nothing right or wrong with it. Nonduality is just pointing out that that sense of being a separate self is ultimately illusory. At a certain time in human evolution it was crucial and it is still significant to a certain extent today regarding the body's survival. The apparent issue is that sense of self/survival mechanism doesn't have an adjustable switch. It just runs rampant like the energizer bunny. It takes over and becomes an entity in of itself. It creates a rather threatening, scary, self centered experience of reality. (matrix) A nondual awakening would imply a recognition or seeing through these mechanisms of illusory separation.

@Lila9 thank you for sharing this, this is exactly what I meant by God complex and spiritual ego. As the disregard of ego and everything being one, makes you blind to more nuanced things like good versus evil and then a guru can do all kinds of evil in the name of nonduality.

@Olaf Referring back to your OP I don’t believe nonduality is ready to be heard by the majority of people on this earth. And I don’t believe those that do hear it, are changed beyond recognition in the sense that they can’t go back to the way they used to live once it’s been understood. I don’t believe suffering ends, nor do I believe you become blissed out or become stress free, like the transcended ones would have you believe. That’s just nonsense to me. I don’t think anyone really changes, like a leopard can’t change its spots. Change happens, but nothing changes is how I experience life. Nonduality maybe the absolute truth, but we are relative beings that must live relative lives, which involves a healthy ego.

Nonduality means there is no separation between apparent "things " or objects in existence even though it does appear that the world consists of separate physical objects..things.. selves ..etc . But Nonduality is the position that there is not two or more separate forms in existence but rather existence is one unified soup of beingness with no borders or boundaries. That's all. The entirety of this is a dream story you are spinning on the fly .

Is anyone here familiar with the Author Tim Freke the philosopher and author of many nondual books? He wrote loads of nonduality books, but recently changed his mind about nonduality, saying it just stopped making sense to him. So much so that he decided he couldn’t go on selling these books to people, he felt like a fraud and no longer felt like a genuine person anymore, so after spending years on nondual research and months and months of time spent writing books on the subject that he admitted he was once very passionate about, he then took a complete U turn and decided to destroy all his books. That’s someone who I can admire who isn’t afraid to be open enough to admit to himself that he may have been wrong about nondualism.

When we already understand nonduality, it’s pointless to talk to others who also understand it. It would be like talking to dead people. Its not even wise to talk about nonduality to people who do not understand nonduality either, I mean why would someone who doesn’t understand non dualism want to be told they don’t exist the way they think they do? Its pointless. Thats why I think we should just keep it to ourselves. Nondual forums just incite tension and conflict, it’s just madness, and such a bad idea. Spirituality and nondual conversations are the epitome of stupidity, in my opinion.

@No1Here2c and @Breakingthewall I don't look on this forum for a few hours and come back with 77 message of you guys having a nonduality fight hahahahaha I still don't see a solution for making nonduality free from narcissism (god complex and spiritual ego) if anyone has an answer let me know

You’re welcome. Nonduality teachers are all afflicted by the same terminal illness, they’re all either dying to die or they’re already dead. ( just kidding , it’s my quirky sense of humour) 😜 So was the ticktok video.

I’ve already agreed, teaching this stuff is flawed, and so is every spoken word that is pointing to nonduality. If fact silence is the only real teaching for me, in silence every instruction is revealed, every knowing what to do or how to do is revealed, so I trust only the silence to guide my conscience. So far it’s never let me down.

@Mellowmarsh fair enough if your interest is for being in the being state and doing self inquiry I am not here to bring you of that path. I am more looking for a pathway that doesn't allow corruption to take over as is being done right now with nonduality as claiming yourself to be God, maybe not for you, but for others could lead to big problems, aka God complex or as some might call it spiritual ego and in denial of having a body, mind and ego. To me, consciousness is real, everything is one, I would agree with all of that, its more about a flaw in the teachings that can lead to misuse thats my concern.

@Ziran is fictional returning, real returning is dying. You are a human being, not just being, you have a human part which is overlooked in nonduality teachings that leads to all kinds of problems.

Most teachings around spirituality are a bit the same. Basically `I AM` resting in that awareness, isness. You are God, that is the teaching, you are awareness itself, not the body, mind or ego. Although this is quite factual, in the sense that you are connected to God and that when you rest in awareness and be in your being state, that you access higher consciousness. That doesn´t mean now you have no human limitations anymore. The problem with the teachings as of now, is that it is an easy bypassing of all human things. Not just making money, what is an obvious one, but what I see in spiritual people I have been around that follow these teachings, is that everything is a sign, everything is connected, everything is one, everything is perfect, SO I don´t have to focus on this or that or sus or so. You don't have to work on that trauma, you don't have to work on your narcissistic or codependent tendencies, you don't have to focus on improving your communication or relationships. You don´t have to focus on making money, cause its ego and your not the ego you are I AM. Yet God is not gonna make money for you, make you survive, that is all up to you as a human self, because even tho you ARE in reality not human, you still HAVE a human body, a human mind, a human ego to protect the mind and body. So the problem I see with the teachings around nonduality is that they create a sweet escape, but that some things in life shouldn´t be escaped, unless you want to escape life altogether and die, but that is not what I think most people want. So as long as you want to live in this body, you will have to acknowledge that you do have a mind, body, ego and that its going nowhere anytime soon. So we can care all the time if I come from ego or not, but that is a pointless game, cause you are coming from ego anyways, even when we think we don´t, the escapism towards nonduality in itself is ego, you think God, consciousness itself would care if you are enlightened or not? No only you care, because you don't want to suffer, you want to escape, you want to not deal with your problems. And if everything is already perfect, one, God, then what is the point of dealing with your problems, you have transcended them and your human life doesn't matter anyway, cause your God. See, that is how nonduality fools you, it makes your ego, human body and human mind things to be transcended instead of to work with. In fact, it will deem it as evil, but if it were truly evil, then we should all kill ourselves now. What I think is more evil is act like you're dead and just living in the "I AM" your now consciousness and then being unaware that you have a body, mind and ego. Then you get some type of God complex where you think no human limitations matter to you, you are above that petty game, you are now high conscious, you can just attract it, manifest what you want, you can just call upon angels or your higher self for anything you need. I AM NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, the universe provides! Well, even if that La La Land story were true, you would still be stuck in this human vessel, you still have to go to the toilet, go do the dishes, get groceries, eat, sleep, repeat, all that human stuff. You think a God makes grocery lists?? So I think its time for everyone, including me, to get off their high horse, just cause your having the capability to access higher consciousness, doesn't mean you are a walking, living God and that now with your newfound enlightenment you are invincible. You cannot even get to talk with a toothache, a small tiny tooth could trouble you all week and still you believe you are a walking living God? If you get sick, you have to go to the hospital to get help, you couldn't help yourself and you claim to be a God? No, we can access God, connect to God, be one with God, but if you truly wanted to be one with God all the time, in every moment, you should be dead as only a dead men is truly without ego, body and mind.

Spiritual Autolysis Journal Entry #78 ~ Tues May 5 '26 ~ 9:13 AM What is true? Pure Awareness is true. And that's it. Everything outside of it is false. Of course things can be relatively true, like the thoughts going on in my head, those are relative truths, what are my desires, etc. they are true in a sense, but Absolute Truth is that pure awareness is all that there is. Which means pure awareness if everywhere. It is in the ground. It is on Saturn. It is on my head, it is out there in the air, everywhere because it is Truth with a capital T. Anything outside of it is false. What does this insight do for me and my life? Nothing really, I just know that life is a game now and it doesn't really matter what I do. So I should do whatever I want. And I shouldn't care what others think about me. Because there is no me to uphold, no self image to speak of. So live your life the way you want to. I gotta say, that is liberating stuff and truly paradigm shifting. People love me in a relatively sense, they love the character of Ben and there's nothing wrong with that. But.. there is no actually character named ben. That is what's fake and fictional. Just like there is no jane (my mom) everyone that I know is not real, meaning they are made up and fake. I mean they're real like they are still an entity or an organism or a human being in a relative sense, for sure but at its core, the universe is made up of Nothingness which equates to Pure Awareness which goes on forever and ever. Where am I going with all of this? What is it going to do to me? You know what I don't care. I want the truth even if it kills me. And I think it has to. I will have to give up all attachments, all person histories, etc. What I don't understand is I am starting to get this and how it works, but I'm not enlightened. When does the enlightenment kick in. What do I have to do? I just drove down something that is true so where do I go from here, where is the enlightenment? Where is the no self. I want a reward for all of this work! I don't know I mean I think you're missing the experience of it, you are getting a glimpse of what it would be like to live in a non dual realm, but that doesn't mean that you've even stepped foot in it. Okay, well then how do I step foot into this realm? You don't want to is the thing. Fuck you, yes I do, tell me what I should do to take the first step into nonduality. Dualities are required in the world so that we can make distinctions. It is necessary in order to communicate and survive as a human being. But in reality, these dualities are made up of the same thing, which is pure awareness or nothingness, that is what they are at their core. You need to start understanding the difference between relative and Absolute Truth. I have been researching non duality as of late because I realize that understanding it is what it takes to become Enlightend and enter the no dual realm. Basically, we have created dualities between things, like black and white, up and down, left and right, 1 and 2, etc. in order to make distinctions and therefore survive as a culture or as a society. For example, lets actually take this to a purely survival level, I need to understand the difference between a lion and a house cat. If I did not, then this would be terribly bad for my survival mechanism. Therefore, if I am going to survive within this human form, I need distinctions, I need to understand relative truths. This is an important aspect of life, and this cannot be overstated. Be don't transcend dualities, but we understand that there is a higher level, I higher stakes game, in which there are no dualities, black and white are made up of the same thing, up and down is the same thing, love and hate is the same thing, etc.... Now begs the question, how the fuck do I get there? Unsure at the moment, thats what I'm missing, but the awareness that I have now is a good start. Given this new knowledge, how are you going to change your behaviors moving forward. Firstly, I am going to start pointing out the dualities within the world when I see them. Lets just start with awareness of them. (I am good at socializing and not making things awkward. My mom is terrible in social situations. Its as if she is ALWAYS uncomfortable to be in them, there is never a desire for her to connect to the person across from her.. unless she knows them very well. I don't understand this very well because I am a reserved and shy person, but also very socially calibrated and ADORE people, I LOVE making connections.) (Is this because of her upbringing or is this just how shes always been wired? Unsure. I guess it doesn't really matter.) This video represents me pursuing enlightenment. IT IS going to cost me EVERYTHING. Everything that I know and hold dear to my heart has to be cassed away in favor of a completely new paradigm or view of reality. And I want it, I want it more than sex, I want it more than money, I want it more than a house, I want it more than six pack abs, I want it more than becoming a world champion dancer. I just have to find out the TRUTH. Where is this journey taking me? And at what cost to the people that I love. I ahve experienced SO MUCH love from everybody that is within my circle. Do I really need to let the m go? I dont want to. Also, how long is this going to take? I feel like it is going to take as long as it needs to. You are on the perfect journey for yourself. I am starting to realize that I won't want the stressful and hectic job of running a studio. At least not long term. I am eventually going to get burnt out and need to hit the reset button. I can't wait to have a house with a pool. I can have a dog that I go on walks with, lots of them. I can have a girl for a small section of time that I enjoy intimacy with. But I want truth. Why does it have to be a small portion of time with a girl and not forever? Because NO ONE is going to go down the path that I'm going down. NOBODY is going to understand. Therefore, I can't keep a woman around forever. I have always been a free spirit, a head in the clouds type, and this is what I want. But is this label of being a "free spirit" is this really just a facade, is this imaginary? Or is that TRULY part of my personality? What do you think? I mean we all have personalities, right? So mine can be a certain way just like everyone elses is different. The difference I would like to point out is that you acting like a free spirit to fulfill an egoic image or is that your objective view of Bens personality? Which one is it? Why does no body want to talk about death? Why are we so afraid of it? Because it's unknown. And we fear truth. That is what I fear the most. But it's also what I want the most. That's the paradox of it. So what's it gonna be then God? Are you going to let me have it or allow my fear to win this war? It's really up to you man, I've got no stake in this fight, believe me. What are you talking about? You were just saying that you'd jump into the water and stab a whale in devdevotion to the pursuit of truth. How long is this going to take? Can I become enlightened in 3 years? 7 months? 2 years? 5? The question is how long do you want the journey to last? That's the only question you need to ask yourself. Oh.... Okay, that was easy. I think my mom is a little bitch to be honest. Why can't she act like she owns the place in her own home? She's afraid to die. Doesn't want to deal with that. That's a huge paradigm shift that you need to go through if you are going to enter Human Adulthood as Jed Mckenna describes it. I know for an absolute FACT that I cannot settle down with a girl until I become Enlightened. And honestly I don't even know if I want somebody else in my life to begin with. Honesty and that's not me being scared. When I ready spriritual warfare, jed is wandering around aimlessly without a care in the world, that's what I want to experience. That peacefulness. That playfulness. Will I get this if I have family with kids and a wife? No, no fuckin shot. Once I am enlightened though, maybe just maybe I'll want to come back and settle down. I know I don't really want to write books. But I do love to dance. I love it so much. However long I last here it is just a blessing that I've been able to experience it. I can feel it in the air. What am I to do now? Should I continue to watch nonduality videos? I know that this road only has one ending, but I actually have a lot of time to pursue what I want. Were you expecting it to be easy? Were you expecting heart surgery to be a cake walk, without much effort you could allow your body to recover? No! Of course not! I am doing so well right now because I already put the time in. What do I do when I have a sexual desire? Should I always bottle it up? Or should I let it out? I truthfully don't enjoy sexual pursuits of women. But at the same time, I absolutely adore their beauty and energy. You can enjoy her energy without actually pursuing her romantically, you are aware of that are you not? All you want is to authentically express while around women. That is essentially it. And your job is pushing you to do exactly that . And as a matter of fact, you have to express with her, not without her. Good job on that.

@Wilhelm44 I have been following his teachings for a long while, I have seen people come and go and most people aren´t speaking out, because of the NDA signed. For example Allison never spoke out and I even tried to dm her asking whats up with the whole Bentinho situation, but most of the people that left kept silent. Also Jocelyne is kind of moving on in silence around all of this. She commented on this youtube video and when you look at the comment section, you see how she wants this to be removed from the internet as it was a painful period for her. She seems to have moved on. Neither is she taking part of this insta@guru serie. I think that its quite obvious that Bentinho is doing some weird stuff, even if he had an awakening, he is then a zen devil or he is just straight up a psychopath. I have seen too many of his videos that I can tell you there is atleast something very very off with him, listen to one of his videos and listen how he talks with so much arrogance and almost like he looks down on you when he is talking, he belittles people, interupts them, shout at them, makes fun of them and you could say "belittling peoples ego", but even if that was the case, we are still ego, we are still human, that doesn't mean we have to withstand his endless commentary in the name of spirituality. Like your just a stupid student and he is the holier then thou guru. And as many popes, priests etc. who have portrayed themself as holier then thou, have done behind the scenes allot of weird stuff, due to all of this suppression. Now things coming out about Deepak aswell, makes me not trust any of these gurus. You got to rely on your own path and not be too dependent on teachers, as they are flawed, just as every human is flawed. Also makes you rethink the real value of enlightenment teachings, because there are allot of issues with learning and especially teaching nonduality, its a topic that needs to be treated very carefully with the realisation that there are endless ways this can do harm for both students and teachers. Starting with the supression of the human side and only thinking that consciousness matters, what easily leads to supression and then coming out in either the epstein files like Deepak Chopra or being a rapist like Bentinho, well, that is not really a role model if you think about it hahaha.

I recently had some realizations similar to what Rupert Spira talks about. The general nonduality stuff that maybe a lot of people here find mundane compared to higher states of consciousness, Eternity, Awareness, Presence, Etc. Nothing actually happened really, just this profound peace, and these other facets that where obscured until I paid attention to them. But why is reality so beautiful? Every form fills me with mystery and awe, even the idea of a smelly dumpster is profound and miraculous and mysterious. Everything just drips with beauty, it feels fundamental to existence, not just an opinion. Every color and shape combination is just beautiful to me, whether it's people, clouds, stars, RAM, deodorant, candles, cracked roads, the bug bites on my thighs, etc. Why does everything seem so beautiful? What is Beauty?

Is Anyone Really In Control? The Illusion Of You #freddavis #nonduality #awakeness #awakening The waving of the hands has an I that claims to wave the hands. This is Indra's net which is the totality of emptiness. Look for the 'me' who is doing the action, is a fools errand as the fundament of all experience is oneness/consciousness. The 'I' that claims that it is doing it feels that it is doing it, the reality is, the oneness is doing it and everything else is just the conceptual framework/ego attempting to claim it.

I remember watching Bentinho teach nonduality to a small class of older people when he was like 18. Dude was quite something. I see he's 38 now. Must be a bit strange waking up so early.

Who told you you are "eternal consciousness"? You're not infinite my friend. You would have to be deluded to believe that. In most nonduality circles, they'll tell you "you" do not exist, which is much closer to the truth than that. Infinity and eternity belong to God. You are a limited, finite human being. But the possibility is to realize that the whole framework is non-existent. No, this is not what he wants. Does an adult with cancer want to have cancer? As an individual, we do not have total control of our realities, because God exists and His Will supersedes ours. Why He does what He does is beyond our understanding.

Here's a good way to grasp 'something = nothing'. When one is dreaming, everything in that dream seems 100% real, yes? But what is the substance of that reality? It's Consciousness/Mind. Which is nothing. The substance of a dream is nothing. Nonduality, something and nothing are the same thing. Another way of looking at it, is really is there is no such thing as 'nothing'. God is everything, the only thing there is. There cannot be anything outside of God. God is Consciousness. God is infinite. There is only God, for eternity. So there can't be a 'nothing', as nothing would be outside of God.

Please ignore this previous post (quoted above). EDIT: I have since noted many inconsistencies in my that post, where I asserted that "Only the Infinite can fully know Itself." But I have since come to the conclusion that no knower can fully know themselves, which is more consistent with radical nonduality. Following is my correction: The Infinite and Finite cannot fully know themselves: To fully know itself, a knower falls into the self-modelling problem of infinite regress, because to know Itself it needs to include its model of its self, which needs to include its model, which needs to include its model, and so on...leading to infinite regress. Similar to self-modelling problem, Halting's self-prediction problem also prevents self-knowledge. To predict itself, the program would need to simulate itself — but that simulation is itself running, which needs to be simulated, which needs to be simulated... For the Infinite knower, the regress is amplified — Cantor generates larger infinities at each step. Self-description always generates something larger than the container (Cantor’s theorem). Any attempt at self-description generates a larger infinity than the original. For the finite knower, failure happens immediately due to information capacity problem as it can't hold that much information. Aside from Cantor’s theory, another theory explains why the knower cannot know itself. A set of type n can only contain members of type n-1 (Russell’s type theory). So a set cannot contain itself because it would need to be both type n and type n-1 simultaneously.

Spacetime itself can physically be infinite and eternal. So there is no need to "invent" something new to contain spacetime. (In fact, current evidence of the universe spacetime indicates it is infinite (flat spatially) and eternal into the future (though not in the past)) You also say "I'm perfectly conscious how my current "human experience" transcends space and time". It would be interesting for you to show us how, because by definition, humans are contained within spacetime. Unless you have come up with your own physics model. If you want to discuss this from a nondual perspective, it is not the human or person that attains freedom. Read more on radical nonduality (e.g Jim Newman, Kenneth Madden, Alexis Knight, etc...).

"we’re pointing to the same thing" Both of you are pointing to the same something that has nothing to do with enlightenment or nonduality. The illusion is so seductive it keeps the mind enchanted with states of non-aging, such as the one you're describing where the brain doesn't grow out of its childhood innocence. In fact there are many experiments now being done to prevent aging in the brain. And what is the most seductive characteristic of heaven, if not the fact that we don't age there, therefore remain in the constant state of childhood bliss. With such possibilities, why would anyone care about finding the end of the illusion? The issue is that it is only when the soul matures enough that it realizes that no state or condition is perfect--there will always be some flaw, something missing. Then the question of how arises. But there is no how or why to the Timeless. Any action doesn't bring you any closer to or farther away from the Absolute, because all there is is the Absolute.

What you're describing is a mental transformation--a change in your relationship to your thoughts. This is all in the world of relativity. Enlightenment is the dissolution of relativity back into the Absolute. With that, it's revealed that This is just the Absolute appearing as the relative. For more, read about/watch radical nonduality (Jim Newman, Kenneth Madden, Alexis Knight, etc..).

If that’s true it’s because there’s a you present in thoughtless experience that knows it’s having a thoughtless experience. Even though a you is only possible as a thought thing, and not a not thought thing, in this conception. It’s like the concept known as nonduality. Nonduality cannot be a thing known , because nonduality is not a thing.

Sounds like a nice trip. How much do you plan to increase your dosage by per trip? Be careful, how deep a mushroom trip goes increases a lot at higher doses, and they can get a little twisted (as in, your ego might start to get quite scared when you start to experience full nonduality) at dosages of 3.5g+. Great for understanding consciousness and Awakening, though, when you get past the fear. My previous understanding of reality got absolutely shattered at a dose of 3.5g.