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Aubrey is an interesting case, in my opinion. He's had countless psychedelic experiences with the goal of self-betterment, and an absolute ton of 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs in particular. He even became a facilitator for bufo as part of a tradition. So he's no stranger to profound states of consciousness bordering on literal temporary enlightenment. It'd be tough to say he wasn't a beholder of absolute truth, many times over. But I suppose, as Leo posted in a recent blog (and as I believe as well), intellectual development and awakened consciousness should not be considered a 1:1 in terms of their required parallel development.

That's definitely true. It tends to have the same narrative structure. New Agers tend to believe that, in the past, humanity was more brilliant and wiser than it is now. But then, "they" (the Reptilians/elites) came and now we're in a fallen world where we've forgotten our wisdom. And there's lots of hierarchical ideas of Indigo children and awakened people who will graduate to 5-d consciousness and we'll be wise again. And Fascists tend to believe that, the nation/race was once idyllic and great. That is until "they" (the cabal of elite Jewish people) came and brainwashed everyone into Feminism, multiculturalism, and post-modern Neo-Marxism, and now we're in a fallen world. But we, the great people, will defeat that Cabal and rise again into our former glory and become a mono-cultural patriarchal theocratic utopia once again. So, the structures of the story is very similar. And I notice that New Age people tend to get easily tricked into Fascist thinking.

The blind leading the blind to enlightenment. I get more awakened when I see ignorant questions on the forum from the "me". Not ignorant as in stupid or silly, but ignorant to recognizing who they are. They seem to think that thoughts are the problem. No, the "me" energy is. Thoughts are like another phenomenon. They are there to stay in the waking dream. They meditate to stop their thoughts. Fighting a loosing battle. Then when the thoughts appear along with the world, the body and their conscious mind, they believe that's them and now the battle begins. Ever seen anybody all these years come on the forum and say they've achieved enlightenment. I'm still waiting. Waiting for them to open up to the cosmos and blend in with everything. Ain't happening. No one has ever achieved enlightenment. Enlightenment is already the case, if I may say so. Doesn't matter what word we use, It's all made up. Live in the dream world and recognize it for what it is. You will say Osho and Sadhguru and Moojii and whomever else is enlightened. What does that mean. There's no one there, no attachments, no whatever.....it's already the case. No so-called human can get to a no whatever state. It will only be an experience. All these fancy words and fancy techniques are practices like we practice football or writing. We get better at it but only within the appearance. Existence. Not saying to not do anything or practice anything, but nothing will get you any closer to what you already are. Awareness.

Yes and... These stages being the development of the complexity of sense making that allows for holding on to increasing complexity and taking in increasing complex compositions with increasing number variables - and multiple and contradictory perspectives. Awakening etc isn't on the same axis/scale, it's rather about the point of reference from which things are being observed. You can shift that point of reference independently from the level of complexity by which you make sense of what you observe. The complexity goes into the sense making within the "illusion", while the point of reference shifts how deep into or out of the "illusion" you observe what's there. Thus, you can be an awakened "fool", no need for cognitive complexity at all. Pursuing cognitive developmental stages, as many here will have first hand experience of, likely and quite possibly will intersect with developing shifts in that point of reference as well.

@LfcCharlie4 hi . Thanks for resurrecting this thread 😁. Now that I've given it second thought you could say the point is creating whatever you want to create . No restrictions whatsoever. With baring in mind that you will reap what you sow ..so you are absolutely free to be like Hitler or Stalin but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences to your actions. These days I'm just sitting in silence doing nothing .just existing .just being .rather than doing . What are you gonna do anyways? You are eternal..there is no death that can annihilate you..so then imagine if you awakened to the fact that you are god and that you are eternal...really and this is a sincere question: what the heck are you gonna waste your eternal existence with? Joy and bliss ? That is nice but without misery and suffering there won't be any meaning to happiness. Which is exactly why this world is NOT perfect and there is a shit ton of suffering and evil and wars going on ..because God metaphorically speaking has gotten sick and tired of infinite bliss and decided to spice things up with a lil bit of drama if you will . Now That I think about it .the only point to life is life itself. Being .pure existing .basking in awareness. "Being interested In the experience of being aware " as Rupert Spira puts it .because there is literally nothing to do and nowhere to go after you've done it all . Just my thoughts Much Love brother 🙏

Most people return to being a human after their "apparent death". You do not have a choice in that if you have not awakened very much in your lifetime. Ego death means you no longer identify as "a body" or "human", but with spirit. But there's degrees of this as well and exactly "what kind" of spirit can vary greatly. You can very much be a demonic spirit or the opposite of that. Though I consider "demonic spirits" as "forms of egos".

Makes perfect sense now. Thanks! I still don’t think Trump could ever attain Enlightenment. I mean how can you say that you are Awakened when you go back doing the same stuff. Awakening should radically change how you live your life. You’re not just gonna go back to chop wood and carry water. That would mean that you haven’t fully realized and integrated the insight.

It don't seems you resonates like someone awakened even a a bit.

Is this what awakened church ladies sounds like?

Maybe not for you, but for me what would be better is if more people actually awakened (further), rather than keep on being stuck in this dream. But I understand I am massively "outnumbered".

It's because you are using the forum to "get" something. You are treating it like food. You are trying to consume something. At a certain point, you can't use the forum as a source of intellectual food anymore. The more awakened you get, the less places will be a source of intellectual/emotional food. You will just start BEING wherever you go. For example, when I am socializing with my friends, I rarely feel fed from our conversations anymore. I used to, but not as much anymore. But I still am curious about them and socialize with them, even though I don't feel more "spiritual evolved" through interacting with them. Sometimes I am more focused on what I can give to them. But sometimes, it is just playful banter and a non serious conversation. But I rarely "get" anything from my friends anymore. It is something similar with the forum and everything else in life. The more awakened you become, the less places will feed you in the same way. You might end up being in a place of "giving" knowledge to others, instead of "getting". And sharing what you know with others, instead. Sometimes, you won't feel like even giving/sharing, and instead, you will just BE. Though, if you don't feel very peaceful with where you are at, and are starving to death for more knowledge, then maybe as others mentioned, it might be time to seek out other teachers or books or resources in other places. Or focus more on Leo's videos instead.

He/she looks like it's staring at your naked body. Look at those awakened eyes. My, my, It sees.........I'm not sure🤣🤣

Strangely though I have noticed Joe becoming more awakened in some ways. In his latest podcast with Brian Cox he says at the 1:08:00 mark that he had been pondering a thought about existence but realized someone "else" had beat him to it, that the Universe and God are the same thing. The Universe is everything including God. He never used to feel that way before based on previous podcasts where I was beating my head with a stick getting so frustrated at him missing how obvious it is. When you first awaken to this it feels mind blowing and then just becomes second nature to your existence, but when someone finally realizes it after 50-60 years of living it's a pretty big deal so I wouldn't say he's necessarily stuck in his level of ego development.

If everything is perfect as it is, is it ever ethical to intervene in the suffering of others? When should a spiritually awakened person engage with social issues, and when should they let go ? If everything is love even Evil .Why do you than criticize people like Trump,tate or anyone for that sake. Since they're part of God too....why do you want to change them ? Just for personal satisfaction ?? Just because in your mind you've created this sense of right and wrong in your mind which of course is the function of your survival agenda of your material self . just curious

Wow! This feels like a stage Orange version of enlightenment to me. "It's all a dream, so just achieve things for the hell of it!". I very much like your description philosophy. Depending on what spiral dynamics stage you are at, you will form different conclusions from the perspective of an awakened state. The stage Green person might reason "Life is just a dream, so let's just love one another and hold nothing back". The stage yellow person might say "Life is just a dream, so free your mind and behold the beauty of creation through the pursuit of understanding ". Of course, every conclusion is the correct one, so just keep going for that dream Life of yours... Until you don't want to anymore.

Let’s come to a conclusion with all of this because I want peace of mind and tired of driving myself insane. We’re all a part of this forum for the sake of personal development and enlightenment right? Does horoscopes, astrology and tarot fit into what our end goal is? In the last 6 months I got into a cycle of watching astrology readings on my “ star sign “ the only reason I entertained the possibility of horoscope, tarot and astrology is because I’m an enormous action taker in all facets of my life. I don’t sit around praying for a solution, I get out there and find solutions. The last 6 months were difficult for me because I’ve been putting so much into awakening, my life purpose, personal development and spiritual practice for the last 7-8 years then I’m still not living what I feel like is proportional to my effort. The last 6 months were so tough that I was honestly losing faith in this stuff, astrology gave me a bit of delusion to believe better things are coming and there’s change on the way. It all comes down to having faith and trusting in the unknown. It’s not adding up I see people out there living their dreams in the span of 2-4 years while I’m out here taking advice from awakened masters and doing what they say then I’m still not where I want to be.... it’s not making sense

@Sugarcoat yes enlightenment IS possible. I've had several awakenings, but I've also been contemplating reality since I was a young child. However, despite being Awakened I don't do yoga or meditation or listen to yogis or go to spiritual groups or chant or go to the Buddhist meditation center or do Kriya yoga. A lot of "spiritual people" do that stuff, but I don't. It's unnecessary for me because I reject the student/master horsecrap, and other techniques that newbies find necessary. Those techniques actually are helpful to people new to this, but I'm light-years ahead of that because I've been doing this for over 50 years.

Are you enlightened is that how you know this? That’s why your name is noselfself right. I’m ready to sacrifice my human experience I just feel my “self” structure is maintaining itself and hard to break through. I did though over a year ago have this one massive permanent shift I don’t even know what to call it so I’m a bit confused sometimes like, am I awakened already or not. You always give interesting answers. Could you describe more this shift between source and ego if you want

We cannot give a tree a car and tell it to drive it. It is not equipped to do so and is not meant to drive a car for obvious reasons. We cannot teach people anything and have them learn anything if that learning capability wasn't already inherent. It's because it's already pre-programmed within you from the intelligent source to be able to learn. We cannot drink gasoline to nourish ourselves because it wasn't meant to go in the body and we cannot fly because we aren't equipped with wings to do so, that's why we invented airplanes. Do you get the drift. As far as enlightenment and awakening goes, you cannot enlighten or awaken if it was not already an inherent thing within you to be able to do so. You cannot awaken a tree or a bird or an apple, can you. They are living things even an apple is a living food, but they are not equipped to be able to awaken. You are pursuing something that you are capable of doing because it's already within you. You cannot awaken if you are not already awake. It's impossible. All the dead sources you are using to awaken yourselves has no power. All the inanimate and non-sentient things you are programming yourselves with to awaken has no power in of themselves to awaken you. The awakened being that you are is what gives them the power; is what's charging them with the electric current of energy that you are. You cannot awaken yourselves if that capacity isn't already inherent. You cannot throw awakening down your throat and eat it to become awakened. We water a rose bush and give it the right conditions to grow and mature into full blown roses, not apples. It is impossible to turn a rose bush into an apple tree the same way it's impossible to awaken into a conscious more enlightened being if you are an elephant. Whether or not I believe in enlightenment and awakening is not the issue here. Understand than. I'm not arguing for their validities. I'm simply saying it's impossible to awaken or become enlightened if you are not already that inherently. Acting that way or feeling that way is besides the point of my post. Those are outer manifestations of the cause. What you are really pursuing is to be able to embody, feel and express your already enlightened and awakened self, to charge it, to shock the psyche into being that, If there's already such a thing; and like I said, my post is not about whether there's such a thing or not but to show you how it's not possible if you were not already that. So, when I say, you are already awakened or enlightened that's what I'm pointing to. I'm not saying one is acting or being awakened. That's on the individual to recognize it within themselves to notice the difference. We cannot do that for them. We can activate our already awakened selves into being not become enlightened out of thin air. That's all.

What you are saying here is equivalent to saying the baby doesn't yet realize itself as a person until the shift (getting older) occurs for the self-recognition. Still a person, right. Well, still awakened. The shift did not awaken you. Or you could say, the shift awakened you to realize you were already awake. The baby realized what it already was.

Maybe it’s a question of how one defines awakening. During my everyday state i perceive myself as a limited human self. That I call the non awakened state. During 5 Meo that perception was partially/completely temporarily broken down, so it was almost like I didn’t exist. That’s not something I’ve “experienced” before so that’s why I said it’s not known. That I’m guessing is the awakened state. Im not fully sure though I’m open to changing my views but so far this makes sense to me.

Yes, the seed is only a seed BUT ONLY IN APPEARANCE. You are not awakened but only in appearance. The point of my post is to say you are already that rose ready to be bloomed. Watered and cared for. You cannot turn a rose seed into an orange seed. The only reason you have the capacity to awaken is if you were already that. Nothing said about actualizing that awareness. This world is an after thought. It is already done. You are already awake you're just catching up to it. That's the point. Nothing you do will awaken you only actualize it and give you the recognition. How is somebody going to know or not know they're awaken if they don't already know what that is. In order to know what that is you have to be it and you cannot become something you're not already.

One reason not to repeat myself that I can tell I’m not awakened is because there’s a significant difference between my everyday state and the “state” on 5 Meo dmt

True. But it's possible to be completely unaware of our infinite nature and instead be identified with a limited body-mind identity. The shift of perception from a limited identity towards unlimited identity is what is referred as Awakening. We are not already awakened until this shift of perception happens and it happens only by increase of awareness. I know I'm repeating myself here but it feels appropriate to say it one more time.

I thought non duality was related with awakening. And limited related to the non awakened state. But okay I see