Truth Addict

Finger pointing to the moon

Tell that to Leo and his sincere followers.

I don't care if Leo has actually had direct consciousness of God or not. All I'm saying is that he's blending the map and the territory together, knowingly or unknowingly, but is still calling his maps the territory. Or so it seems from my point of view.

Have you forgotten @Highest and @Conrad?

Because God told him.

Not recently. He has explicitly pointed out many times that he has the truth. @Leo Gura That's not true. Recently, you've started blending beliefs with truth, and saying that they're the truth.

@Leo Gura Exactly! That's what I wanted you to say. Now, I think it's best for everyone to make clarity in your future videos about that. Yes, you are our Neil Armstrong. Say that out loud! And instead of saying that your stories are the truth, emphasise on the fact that they are cool stories that can be verified. I'm all for that. That's what this thread is all about. A story is just a story. ❤️

@Leo Gura Then why do you keep telling us the truth constantly if it cannot be communicated in the first place? Why do you keep answering questions with answers that can never be understood? I'm not doubting your truthfulness about your experiences, I'm doubting your awareness of what you're doing or your honesty/intentions, I'm not sure where your problem is.

@dinone I am not triggered, how would you know that I am? And yes, there's no difference between belief and reality, but Leo does not want to admit that, although I think he knows it. @Winter I'm not screaming, I'm sitting very comfortably and expressing my opinions freely without suppresion. The whole paradigm is flawed, it's not about proper proof. It's like saying that God wears pink panties because they're more comfortable.

@arlin How do you know that Leo has even read a single book in his life? What if he was just the face of Actualized.org? What if it was a big organisation that has many religious teachers who tell Leo what to say? You see? All you know about Actualized.org is what Leo told you. I might say that I am an enlightened master and that I have meditated for 30 years and read hundreds of books, but you won't beleive me. @Shin Are you kidding? Not a single teacher on your list compares to Leo. I'm talking about stage Yellow multi-perspective teachings, not just enlightenment. Actualized.org is so great that I can't even buy it that it's all Leo and no one else. That's some crazy shit!

@Leo Gura Nothing you say can ever be verified, it's preposterous. What is a memory's worth? All there is is the present moment, in its various degrees of awareness. All of those stories you say are beliefs, let's just be honest about that. I am watching my projections, but I'm not suppressing them. @cetus56 And why did that objection come up just now after I mentioned that I didn't have any mystical experiences? It seems like my posts made sense until you found out that I'm not the mystical guy.

@tsuki I agree ? but I still don't want Leo to become a preacher. What I want though, is for Actualized.org to return back to relativity and multiple perspectives approach, not the one true perspective based on Leo's experiences, contemplations, and studies, whatever that means. I think Joseph took care of the rest quite well, but I'd like to add that I don't mind listening to beliefs as long as Leo is explicit about it. It's a psychological trick to tell people that I have the absolute truth and then tell them to verify for themselves, most people will believe it unconsciously, and that's what had happened, so here we are, see how much dogma going on here on the forum.

@Shin That's right, I love Actualized.org and I want it to become even better, I care if Leo becomes dogmatic precisely because he is a very great teacher and he'd helped to break out of dogma. Who are these other teachers you're talking about? I don't know anyone who can compete with Leo. @Shaun Incarnation is a belief. Are you experiencing all of those thoughts right now in reality? The truth is the present moment, that's all you can know for sure, everything else is a story, a belief. I assure you, you're safe my friend. @arlin Well, here's the thing about mystical experiences: they're true while they are happening, but when they're over, they become stories and fantasies. Now that's a fact. Also, keep in mind that you don't know anything about Leo except what he says, he might be making all of this shit up, I don't take his words for granted. I can agree that God is prior to proof and reason, but I'm not sure that applies to the point of creation, or in other words, why is there form in the first place? And why am I experiencing this exact human life? Absolute Infinity doesn't make much sense for me, since I'm only experiencing this limited life. I may not have had any mystical experiences, but who said that they qualify as Truth? Leo said that, of course.

@Shin No, it doesn't necessarily mean that I am deluded. In fact, neglecting other perspectives is called closed-mindedness. I could be wrong and might need clarification or correction, see the last line of my thread.

@mandyjw I think honesty and clarity are vital. I think it would be a hindrance for humanity if we created more deception on our way towards the truth. @bejapuskas Where is my denial? I asked you to read my thread once more because I think you've missed many points. I haven't concluded anything about what you said. @dimitri He shouldn't, but I want him to because that's the number one reason why I follow him and watch his content. If he's staying the same way, then I don't think Actualized.org is growing me anymore. I appreciate and have always appreciated his Yellow content, and that's the point of my thread. I WANT MORE YELLOW CONTENT.

@isness is my bizness Again, that's only an assumption. We actually don't know, there might be a reason for life to be, and I'm open to know it if possible. @DnoReally I think Actualized.org is a very powerful tool for mankind evolution, and I think criticism can improve it. @bejapuskas I'm not here to tell the truth. I'm just stating an opinion, and I'm clear and honest about that. I have the right to stand by my opinions and support them until I see better/more convincing opinions. It's not up to you whether your opinions are better for me, it's only up to me.

@bejapuskas I'm not defending anything, it's just my honest opinion, obviously not the absolute truth. I wish Leo could say the same about his teachings. @ajasatya I understand. Thank you again ❤️?

@Joseph Maynor I totally agree with everything you said ? I want more Yellow content. @Aeris @Yonkon Criticism and feedback are always useful, it's a matter of accepting or rejecting them in the first place. I said what I said because I think it can improve Leo's content, he's absolutely free to take it or leave it.

@ajasatya Or in other words, a human being with some observations. I don't have to specifically be any of the items you mentioned, I am just stating my feelings and thoughts here, but thank you though for the reminders, I'll make sure I check them all. @Yonkon I think Joseph answered better than I would. @bejapuskas How did you come up with all those conclusions about me? Are you aware that you might just be defending Leo's position? Please, read my thread again, and don't skip parts.

@isness is my bizness Well, you're still assuming that there is a point to life. What if there wasn't? Then again, what if there was, but is not accessible to us? @mandyjw What? Love certainly prevails, but Truth and Love go hand in hand. If I see you deluding yourself, I will confront you, like I'm doing here. @tsuki Leo believes that he can't convince stage Blue closed-minded people of spirituality (as he stated many times here on the forum). I don't think he's targeting them, but perhaps he's targeting Orange. His livelihood is not entirely dependent on YouTube, I don't think YT constitutes more than 20-30% of his income. My point was that Why is he afraid of saying that his teachings are his thoughts and beliefs? Why does he confirm all the time that they're the absolute truth? I think he can admit that, and still keep his audience.

@dimitri Well, scientifically speaking, I am 70% water. So.. ?

Here:

Because Leo has the freedom of speech.

Ask questions and contemplate the answers.

What I said was my free thought. He is. Why else do you think he shares his insights with us? Most of what he's talked about recently is religious beliefs. Most of it is pure stage Blue morality, and it's almost useless for enlightenment.