Truth Addict

I'm really disappointed after watching "What Is The Point Of Life?" episode. I didn't really expect to find real tangible answers in there, but unfortunately, it felt pretty much like stage Blue brainwashing. Usually the objections part is the most interesting to me, this time it was just a waste of my time. You know what, Leo? If I wanted a belief system, I would have found one already or had created one on my own. How do you expect me to take your teachings when you're the one who taught me how to detect beliefs? You're talking about the point of the whole fucking life, and then when you fail to prove that what you suggest is true, you just say: "well, what's your alternative?" Really?!! Is that how it works? Really?!! "So, the way you can test whether what I'm saying is deluded is: try it for yourself, live your life as a creator, as though you were God, and see if that doesn't improve your life dramatically". What about the truth, Leo? What about the truth? Since when "improving" our lives has become THE criterion for Truth? Are you aware that this explanation is just your beliefs and that you're projecting them onto everyone else? Because if you're not, then I'll be even more disappointed. At least the original founders of religions were honest that their teachings are merely beliefs. Do you really believe that you're above beliefs? Or are you playing tricks on us? This direction Leo is heading with his content is not Turquoise, but rather a regression to Blue, at least from my point of view. Not that Blue is bad or anything, but that Leo is projecting and is not being honest with us/himself. If you want Blue Leo, go ahead, I support you. Just be honest with me. Turquoise is not about manipulating beliefs and/or tricking others into believing them, but rather about being honest about what is, which is that these teachings are merely Leo's beliefs, not the truth. If you think it's Turquoise, then here's my answer in advance: Osho failed to build a real life Turquoise community, and you think you can build an online one? I fail to see how you're going to guarantee that even 1% of your followers will ever get there. So, just to conclude and clearly state my objections: Leo telling us to verify what he says does not justify him considering it The one true absolute perspective. He's either not aware, or lying to us. And I don't like both options. My alternative is to honestly admit that we don't know, and that all we can do is guessing and believing. I'm not saying beliefs are bad or wrong or anything like that, I myself am a believer, the problem though comes when we're not honest about that, and then try to cover our beliefs up with statements like: "God told me". ..... I'm done here. This thread might seem like a rant, but it's merely an expression of my disappointment, and it's my honest opinion. I still love Leo and his videos, I just don't want Actualized.org to go in that direction, because we already have plenty of Blue. Sure, it's leo's work and organisation, but also this is my feedback. I want more Yellow; more nuanced, more thoughtful content. And I don't think it's possible to build a Turquoise community through the internet, at least not right now. I'd also like to hear other opinions, because I don't want to be missing something and just blindly criticising. ..... Either all that, or everything I said is wrong and I am deluded and I don't know.

Just to be clear, most of my latter posts are not serious, I was merely playing. What I'm serious about though, is that enlightenment will happen when it happens, I don't want to force it, since that is neurotic. And don't give me the objection: then why is your name Truth Addict? I was an addict when I registered here, but not anymore, apparently. Thanks all for the contributions.

@theking00 I don't have enough data for watching the video atm, maybe I'll respond later when I have.

Emojis didn't appear. They must be an illusion

I don't see why not. @Serotoninluv Thank you, at least what you provided is not a bunch of beliefs.

The mind is just a concept

@cetus56 I'm not sure about this. @Serotoninluv I see. Yet, I don't see how this is the absolute truth, it could be all a video game, I could be just a creation that is separate from the creator. And don't rationalise the answer, God can create separate entities, why do you think It can't?

For brainwashing?

@theking00 The awareness that you are is God, according to them.

@Serotoninluv That means that I'm already there, and that I don't need to try to find anything or to stop being a devil. You're contradicting Leo.

Who tries to be or not to be but the devil? I won't even try.

If God wants to take it, then who am I to say a word?

@Leo Gura This work is your creation, and it's not direct. As far as I know, God is the most direct thing. So, I don't believe that I need to do anything in order to find God, I believe I will find It when It wants me to. The understanding is just maps/stories, so it's not necessary for God realisation.

@Nahm Are you sure you got the address right? @lmfao No, you're beautiful, and you're projecting your beauty onto everything else.

@Shaun You are peace. Just stop looking, and you will find it.

@DrewNows Then I better get used to it ? @Omni I didn't mean that. I meant that it seemed like stage Blue morality being preached to everyone, not stage Blue in particular. Please, try not to be too gentle with me, I understand your criticism and it's fine. I think I am well aware of why I felt disappointed, and that is because I place so much value on Actualized.org. @abrakamowse Mind your tongue, infidel ?

@Omni Because when I started following Actualized.org I was at stage Blue, and what helped me the most was relativity and stage Yellow content. I don't think Leo is even targeting Blue, he's mainly focused on Orange as I see. The feeling of disappointment happened, and I didn't want to suppress it, so I expressed it.

@Shin Babe, you're in the wrong room. But I like your graffiti.

@Leo Gura One other thing Leo, do you think it's necessary to describe God in very detailed ways to us? I mean you can simply say that it's utterly magnificent and beautiful and you can use metaphors, what I dislike is the trying to communicate God with language while you are aware that it's impossible to begin with. And yes, I know that I don't know until I know because it was proven to me so many times, so I'm not making conclusions here, I'm just being skeptical and honest. @Omni would I not be allowed to vote for Trump if I were enlightened? I can have strong opinions and be detached at the same time. There's no suffering for me here. I've actually enjoyed the discussion, the agreements and the disagreements.

I'd say yes, because I'm open to being wrong.

@Leo Gura ❤️?

@Leo Gura Good. I think this discussion was helpful to clarify things for everyone. Thank you Leo ❤️ @Shin That's why I say Leo is the best among all of them, and that's why I care so much about Actualized.org.

I don't mind blending the map with the territory, the duality between the two must ultimately collapse. What I mind though, is when we're talking about beliefs we don't admit that they're mere beliefs, and persist that they're the truth. Yes, anything will become the truth if we believe it strongly enough.

@Scholar Still, the difference is that I am aware of my map, while they're not. That's what I'm pointing them to see. @ajasatya I could say the same thing about myself, but they wouldn't believe me, cuz I'm not Leo. Remember David Hammond? Almost nobody believed him.

Yes exactly! That's what I'm saying. But Leo's followers are still refusing: don't you dare to speak unless you do 20 years of enlightenment work. That's preposterous, Leo hasn't even done 10 years.