Truth Addict

I'm not sure where you are going with this conversation. We were talking about procrastination and how to solve it practically. This is not a quest for Truth.

My perspective: No free will. Free will is the thought of being the author of thoughts. But where do thoughts come from? Nowhere/void.

What do you mean exactly by this? What is your definition of love?

Practicality speaking, we don't live in the wild. We're only able to pay the bills because we're able to utilise our imagination. Animals are not humans because they don't have the imagination required.

A feeling of excitement about something due to thought-stories.

Physical health is THE most important thing and most people can't appreciate it as long as they have it. Being physically well is soooo underrated.

I'm interested too.

Self-deception series ??

Make videos or audio recordings of you talking about your experiences specifically. (or imagine yourself doing that). Journaling. Change of surroundings => change of mood. (more experience). Basically, anything new can be a lesson i.e. posting on here talking about your problem, you probably won't do it anywhere else.

It's convenient to say things like that when you are not suffering. I'd say it's a good explanation, but not complete or accurate. I mean nonduality in general. Not the OP per se.

That's right. But not just that. I feel very motivated at first, but then I put some work and I don't see results, so I get demotivated. Maybe I should work on having a big vision?

@DrewNows In my experience, most of the time, procrastination is anything that is ought to be done in small steps for achieving outcomes that come after a while. Perhaps I like freedom. Whenever I set up a goal, I tend to procrastinate about it. I'm fine doing anything but I don't like to wait for the results so I distract myself, and that's my procrastination. The solution for me is to just do it no matter what.

@winterknight How do you know you won't change after you have known what you want? I mean suppose I find out what I really want according to my feelings, what if procrastination becomes the case again? What if I stop feeling good from what I really want?

This is exactly how it is already!

@Shadowraix It's funny! The word "projection" is being so misused on here. It's when you see someone using it, you can easily see that they're probably doing it. In psychology, however: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection The word "projection" is used here on the forum to make whatever you say look naive and aggressive. Even though you could probably be right and the things you say are not projections at all.

Which God exactly?

@Joseph Maynor ?

@Joseph Maynor I see consciousness as a watcher, a judge that makes observations but never interferences nor gets its hands dirty. Dirty work is for the devils, and I don't think any amount of consciousness can keep it under control, at least not right now. I prefer to focus on my personal life.

Manipulation will never work.

Because we are not God. Can't get more obvious.

@Shadowraix We're talking about discovering truth here, not taking it for granted. I'm sorry, but from what you've written, it seems to me like you haven't yet discovered no free will vs free will for yourself, but rather have read it somewhere and liked the idea. Which is not to say that it's a problem of course. But I don't think taken-for-granted-ideas will do anything here. I could be wrong though. However, no free will is just evident as the sun in plain sight. When no free will is realised fully, there will come the benefits I mentioned earlier without even trying, and much more, and without having to skip responsibility. Keep in mind that most irresponsible people don't usually place no free will as their first/strongest arguments.

@Aakash Sometimes it can heal you directly. Sometimes it can't and work is needed.

Well, if we don't have that specific model in mind, we will just have another. You see the problem here? We can either have myopic models or very accurate ones. Some benefits of no free will: No blame for oneself or other. No regrets, worries, fears. No need for stress, struggle, manipulation. Surrendering to reality with/without suffering. Forgiveness of the past, peace with the present moment, openness to the future. I think most importantly is living without neuroses.

@kieranperez Egos don't have free will, otherwise everyone would be able to make the rain fall and trees grow immediately, everyone would have infinite powers, etc... But that would lead to disasters since opposite free wills. Only God has free will. The ego has a will, and it's not free, but rather it's bounded to God's will. In fact, it's stupid to dismiss such a question. This question has a lot of real life benefits. And a better model is not beneficial? What about Spiral Dynamics?

What do you mean not relative?