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@Shaun Perhaps the two are one Survival comes from making the world a better place and that's how you can live to entertain yourself and others if you like since others are you too.

@Umar_uk Of course you know better than anyone else. You are the closest to yourself.

@Shaun Don't worry. That's how it seems at first. But the road to heaven is full of hells. You are in a transitional phase, and the path is not over yet. You will find ways to rediscover joy, only this time it will be orders of magnitude better. Everything you want is on the other side of fear.

Or, you could find a way to make it a paradise, a place where you can find peace and enjoy life

@Umar_uk From your reply, I assume that you want me to continue the discussion. Leo can get triggered, of course. He's just a human being like the rest of us. I don't think Leo is a fraud, I think he's trying to make the world a better place. Obviously, that's just my opinion and you don't agree with me. That's fine though, that's how growth happens. If Leo is wise, then he will consider your perspective. I believe he will, and you will see some changes. He does not necessarily have to say it though. Nobody likes their self-image (ego) to be threatened, and nobody likes to admit they're wrong in front of others. That's okay, the ego has to survive to fulfill its purpose. Leo has to keep his image as a teacher too, so that should be considered as well. If he says that he's ignorant and deluded, then that will make him an untrustworthy source for information. Anyway, if I have the truth, why would I care about the "lies"?

@Shaun Maybe it's time for making big changes in your life. Maybe it's time for a fresh start. Maybe it's time to leave the past behind. Examine the thoughts that initiate the unwanted feelings, take a closer look at them. You have all the answers.

@Umar_uk Invalid criticism was when you criticised him for a good neutral advice. That shows how biased the criticism is. Again, I'm not saying Leo is perfect. I'm just saying he's a good person. I'm not sure, but it seems to me like you are so triggered by Leo's opinions of you. Notice that by doing that you're subtly giving him power over your life. So in a sense, you are subtly putting him on a pedestal. If I'd care for other people's opinions, then I'd be doomed. If I care so much about one person's opinion, then that means their opinions are important to me. The question is: why would they be? In my experience, if you want best results, consider other people's opinions interesting, not critical. I will respect your request and stop "preaching" to you unless you tell me to continue the discussion. I was just trying to help. I apologise.

Well, obviously we can't live without desire. I mean sure we can have some moments of no desire, but it's not the case in 99.99% of the time, so it doesn't matter. I see that you are very wise. Try to be more practical with the wisdom you have.

Be very careful here. You make unconditional love look very conditional. Interest in the absolute sense is unconditional. So, what you're saying here does not make sense. You can't avoid politics, but you can be aware/unaware of it. You are deeply involved in politics, and that is obvious from this thread that you have posted. You are creating arguments to support your claims by using language and you market them, what is all that but politics? The problem though is that you are conflating the relative with the absolute. You are subtly using stage Blue/Green politics and trying to push them and advance them against stage Yellow politics that is being advocated by Leo. You are simply a conservative, but you aren't aware of that.

@Shaun Enjoy yourself during this phase. It won't last long. Get comfortable, eat something you love, drink something you love, say whatever you feel like saying, take care of your health, go out in nature, watch a movie, get out of the thinking mode and enter the 'experiencing' mode, stop taking the thoughts seriously, listen to the music you love, journal about how you feel and be very very very specific. Basically ask yourself: what do I really want to do right now? And then go do it, whatever it might be. (hint: no answer means meditation, aka doing nothing). It always seems hopeless until it's over, and it always ends. Cheer up you beautiful creature!

@Umar_uk When someone calls someone else a snob or any other name, they're in fact just stating their opinions. That doesn't mean they're either right or wrong. Leo is not perfect, but your criticism of him here is very biased. He was just giving an advice for someone who's asking for help. No need for reacting to that. Notice that you've mixed up valid criticism with invalid criticism. That can lead you to confusion. I agree that Leo sometimes sounds like a jerk, but I know that he means good. But here I don't see Leo's advice wrong or arrogant in any sort of way.

@Aakash Why do you keep doing this? You say goodbye and then you come back. Much drama, right? You've done that a couple of times already, I'm not sure you're saying goodbye right now too. I'm not saying stop doing that or suppress your emotions or anything like that. I'm just saying be aware of your mechanisms and try to figure out why you act like that. This process is a part of shadow work. What could possibly be the reason behind your desire to say goodbye? And what could possibly be the reason behind your coming back? Questions like the above can be very helpful for you on your journey towards understanding yourself.

@Umar_uk Everyone is allowed to have an ego, including Leo and other teachers. Ego is okay, do you think it's not? Well, that's your ego. Without Leo, I was/would still have been completely lost. I appreciate what he's doing. It's called freedom of speech. You can't impose your opinions on others or shut them up. Talk, let others talk, and listen.

@AlphaAbundance Surrender (to) your desires, and lose yourself in the moment. Follow your heart, do whatever makes you feel better even if that means feeling confused. Accept confusion and embrace it.

@Gili Trawangan That's great! I sensed that you could be suffering from what I read in your original post. Fortunately and obviously, I was wrong

This is a very powerful model! I'd add the transcendence of all models, the rise of the subconscious to merge with the conscious. It's when you actually stop needing models to live anymore, and they become just a cherry on top. You become detached and independent of models because you already have very great models to run your life and they've become a second nature to you. New models in this case are just interesting, not necessary. The best model is no-model.

@Gili Trawangan From the results. I mean that it's nice to try to make things better, no problem with that. But does anyone really have control over the situation? I mean you can only have a little bit of influence over other people's thinking. But unless you are the media or some very influential part of it, then I think it's hard and even a waste of time and energy to think about things that are out of your hands. I wouldn't personally invest my emotions, time, energy, thinking, etc... on such matters unless I know I can make a difference because I have more important and more relevant-to-my-life things to do and care about. @Inliytened1 One of the best things about dropping morality is that it automatically increases morality ??

I agree. Are you detached though?

There's nothing to find on the other side ? And that's only true from one side, not the other.

Does it really matter? I only experience my life, therefore solipsism is true. Everyone else is saying that they're experiencing life as well, I can either believe them or not. I can treat others as computers or humans and I will suffer the consequences either way. How you feel about others is your business.

No. It's actual, right now. Thinking about it and trying to understand it is the abstraction.

@Inliytened1 I'm not being sarcastic. Leo is saying some very obvious truths. I just don't find them to be of value.

Seriously Leo, everything you said is crystal clear from my current level of consciousness. What's the big deal? In fact, you making a big deal out of it is illusory too.

@Preetom What about 'flow' moments? Like when you get in the vortex while doing some activity and just smoothly get in tune with everything.

@Mikael89 Is LoA fake it till you make it kinda deal?