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But Leo, 1 male + 1 female = 3 family members That's just a taste of God's ultimate potential.

How do kids grow and learn? Why not work it out in cycles?

I should be more careful around you ?

Love is being. Whatever is, is love.

? I think we're talking about the same thing. After all, all of those terms (authentic self, ego, highly evolved ego) refer to God, only in various disguises. I think you're saying that God is also personal. In that case, I agree. Because it's not possible to separate the personal from the impersonal. That sounds more like evolution/growth/giving birth than suffering And what comes next after freedom? I suspect that there's a subtle form of resistance to desire in the previous paragraph. I suppose it's the same form of resistance to embracing being an ego. Without resistance, all that remains is freedom. Even resistance, if any, becomes freedom. That's liberation I love you too ❤️? (I hope it doesn't sound awkward lol ?) Egos are beautiful! Aren't they? Whether mature or juvenile. They're your creation. They're perfect! ..... @Leo Gura You made me rewrite this post. Thanks a lot ? But yeah, I think your maps are way better than other maps, as long as they're combined together ?

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Differences only seem important when looking for survival.

Work in baby-steps. One by one. Slow and steady wins the race. Avoid multi-tasking. Avoid unnecessary distractions. Avoid negative people. Meditate. Meditate. Meditate.

Of course ? No. I actually think that the authentic self is more of an animalistic natural kind of self. A self that is incapable of creating and identifying with thoughts. Therefore, a self that is unable of creation. Creation requires the ego (I mean practical creations, science and anything that aims at survival in general). Yes and no. Desire is limitation, but it's not necessarily suffering. To realise that, it requires further integration. Suffering is optional. Desire is not. With even further integration, it's realised that limitation = freedom. So, desire = freedom. Yes ? Love is being. Yet, being is a messy thing, it's evolving all the time. So, love is also learning and evolution. That's what liberation of the mind means. It means embedding consciousness into the subconscious to make room for more love to sink in. Yes. I agree ? That's where art comes from, from the authentic self. ..... I really love this conversation ❤️

@tsuki That makes perfect sense! Thank you ❤️ I wouldn't call that "God" though. I think "the authentic self" is a better term for it. God would be the integration of both the ego and the authentic self. Also, let's say there's no struggle for freedom, and yet there's still a desire to learn the violin, a desire stemming from love. Is it possible to learn it without actually practising it? I read stories about people learning foreign languages randomly, unwillingly, and instantaneously. I don't see a reason why that would not be true in a dream world.

@Neorez Learn how to sew. Play video games. Do anything that occupies your hands with work until it becomes easier for you to break that habit. Once it's become less serious, you will have more chances at ending it forever, but that'll require emotional labour at first, and then from there on, things will only get better.

I could give you the answer, or a list of possible reasons. But it wouldn't help you a bit. Anything I or someone else will ever say will pass through your mind, and you will overthink it and then misinterpret it. So, what you should focus on is moving from thinking to feeling/doing/being. Breathe deeper and focus on your bodily sensations. A little mood booster: running in nature/shamanic breathing. Ahh, also remember to have enough food, water, sleep, rest, sex. It's hard to feel satisfied when the body isn't satisfied. That's because you lack presence, due to overthinking/identification with thought. Here's a clue: you will not find the answer through the mind. Define delusion and illusion. They don't meet the standards that you have established in your mind?

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@Mikael89 It cannot be communicated because for that to happen, the mind has to become alive, an illusion has to be created, a duality has to be established. There is no illusion. Period. That's the most accurate way of saying it, but it's still not it.

Jed McKenna.

You are awake. You merely think you aren't. You think that you should do something to awaken, but that belief is the only thing that is keeping you from awakening. All the mystical stuff is unnecessary. You can experience the highest levels of bliss without touching a substance, if that's what you want.

Was just a metaphor. Yes. Now what is the difference between thought and reality?

I thought you said it's kindergarten to God. I mean why would God not be able to do that? Right? Why is there suddenly a difference between a "technical skill" and existential realizations? There must be no difference to God at all. Why did knowledge suddenly become true? Why did logic suddenly become a true measure? Or, simply this God you're talking about is not all-powerful. And you are doing that exact same thing as well. You are demonstrating precisely the dangers of psychoanalysis, which is to take the by-definition psychotic mental agitations that result to be Truth. That's how your argument looks like from an outsider's perspective. Just like Leo's arguments look like to you. You understand that all of those terms are just pointers, right? Just like this pointer you gave. That's still not a true measure. It's all still in the assumptions zone. Who's to say that it shows the truth?

@Serotoninluv Ugh. I didn't say it has to, but it certainly can. Good point. Try applying it for psychoanalysis. @Aakash Maybe I should have been clearer. I didn't mean all of them. Maybe some of them are just doing it out of love. Then again, maybe you're not aware of how you're using spirituality as means for survival, including psychological survival.

At least I'm being clear and honest.

Good point. I'm always skeptical with this. I believe "truth-telling" is just one way that "enlightened" people use to survive. It's getting more convincing every day. I'm not saying you're right though. You made some epistemic mistakes, such as using logic to make absolute conclusions. @Serotoninluv I don't know why you and Leo are concerned so much with advertising psychedelics. It sounds like you make your living from selling drugs. LOL. Classic.

@Mikael89 You guys don't know what you're talking about. What is the difference between the relative and the Absolute?

I'm going to throw up.

Sounds like a great starting point. Question that!

I feel like I have to become more "Alpha", and I have already started working towards that. That is absurd but I can't help it.