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@Girzo Seconding The Witness, an amazing experience that's all about perspective and perception. I feel like Baba is You has some tier 2 to it aswell. While it's technically based in strict orange logic, there is a whimsical non materialism to it. At the very least it's green with strongly integrated orange.

I feel like Viper the Rapper is a great example of some positive and negative traits of stage red. On the positive side, after he accidentally became a meme from his song "You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack" he just went the "any publicity is good publicity" route and started releasing 300 albums a year with even more ridicolus titles. (Google "Rapper Viper Album Covers" and never look back) This gave him a bit of a following of people wanting to work with him and buy his music so he started selling features and albums. Except that it all was a scam and he charged insane prices for both and extremely rarely even sent anything in return for it. Here's a great mini documentary of a guy signing up to work with him and what entails

"Stop pining over Leo, it's a bit weird" *Spends entire video fellating JPs ideas* This dude couldn't project more if he was a literal overhead lol

Is activly trying to convince someone of your worldview through words a fruitless activity? Because I've been finding myself very disinterested in that lately. Some years ago I had the tendency to always want to respond to things I did not agree with counter arguments, nowadays I rarely feel interested in that and rarely really want to go past more lighthearted conversations where we just listen to eachothers views rather than trying to convince. I guess that part of that comes from having gotten a much less socially acceptable worldview that I can't really base on anything besides "I consumed a lot of spiritual content and combined with meditation and everyday experiences I now trust my intuition more than anything else". I guess for me in the end spirituality is more context than content and as a musician I'll be more drawn to making music that more abstractly expresses how I view the world while someone more scientifically/politically inclined might be more about finding the exact words and arguments. What kind of experiences do you have with this?

I've actually seeked out a proper commentary channel doing this exact video for years just for the hell of it lol I have no idea why someone else didn't do it first. Pretty much what I expected though, basically spirituality = cult and drugs = illegal for ten minutes straight. I mean I don't blame him, first time I heard about enlightenment, unconditonal happiness etc it took me weeks to come to peace with the idea that it could be possible and the implications for my life. I've always been pretty openminded and interested in weird novel ideas at that. I feel like what commentary channels do is that they act as a charismatic mouthpiece for a cultural status quo and people sharing those values come to the channel to get thier emotional responses validated. People never really go into these videos expecting to change their minds on anything as much as they just want to feel safe. Meanwhile I feel like the function of Actualized is just challenging your beliefs which would be the exact opposite. I get the sense that people attracted to to the commentary format and the kind of selfassuring critisism are people that are anxious and really want some consistensy in life so they maybe even need this to keep functioning properly. (ps, not trying to say that I'm above the commentary style, I feel stuff like Kurtis Conner making fun of cheesy Instagram entrepreneurs or Country boys om tiktok can be hilarious, but I really try to remember not to throw the baby out with the bathwater while watching that stuff.)

I agree a little bit, but I don't think that it's about the videos being different as much as it was about me finding exactly the right videos at exactly the right time back then. I knew so little that there still was so much to learn just by listening to the videos, the most basic thing could be mindblowing. However, my life is so much better in every way right now and I like to think that I've gotten at least a little bit wiser so I guess that just comes with not being able to feel as mindblown directly without actually putting in some more work to meditate etc Nowadays I feel like Leo's work (old as new) is just one nieche source of information of many to me, which is probably a much healthier way to go about it, but it was pretty sweet being so ignorant and dysfunctional that I could get all of the advice I thought I'd ever need from one channel and get crazy results almost instantly ?

@Hansu I'm not too familiar with the exact details of the organisation myself, some reading into the FAQ on their page can maybe clean some things up. (Sadly my schedule is a bit busy today so I don't have too much time to think alot about this at the moment.) https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/ (Also sorry if I came off too abrasive, I'm just a bit allergic to percived lack of humility in myself so I might judge that a bit too harshly in others at times.)

Did the organisation fail? They're getting press for their cause and "Business as usual = death" printed in a newspaper. They are reaching out to more people than before. I mean there is always room for improvement but I feel like there's crazy amounts of smugness in this thread. An Extinction Rebellion with sloppy understanding of SD is still probably more productive than no Extinction Rebellion at all. I'm not saying "Let's not critizise anything from an SD point of view", these discussion can be useful, I'm just saying that these kinds of critisisms tend to more often than not be to point out how people who challenge our ways of living are naive, while ignoring how we ourselves are naive for being so ok with business as usual.

In my case I contemplated what a relationship was a whole bunch. I ended up coming to the conclusion that I had a way too binary idea of what it meant to be in love/ in a relationship. If someone doesn't like you it would be super weird to be in a relationship with that person, and the only reason you think you want to is because you made up a version of the person that you're projecting onto them. The person you are needy about doesn't exist, if someone is uninterested in you you're uninterested in them, you're just telling yourself otherwise. I don't know how to stop getting attached quickly though, I quite enjoy that actually, but I know damn well that I can't tell what a person is like that quick and that all that I know about them is a projection. If they turn out not to be who I wanted them to be it's just to accept that we were not a good match, but that the early crushing still was worth it because of the opportuinities it could have given.

There's a lot of stage green critiques of him on youtube from people like Contrapoints, Philosophy Tube, Cuck Philosophy and that whole crowd that you maybe could show her. It's kind of easily digestable critisisms but maybe more to the entertainment side, and comes with the limitation that the creators not really having any good grasp on spirituality. Maybe Angie Speaks' video on him was my favorite because she is seems way more open to the spiritual and Jungian stuff than the rest. (Just speaking from memory here and there was a while since I watched any of them, so check for yourself if there's anything of value there.) (I'd reccomend avoiding stuff like the Enough Peterson Spam subreddit though because that is just a cesspool of "Self help and Jung is bad, I don't understand why anyone could like either of them") Or maybe the more effective way would be to find some better alternatives teaching similar things. Gabor Mate is really enjoyable (even though if I remeber it right he's technically a physician and not a psychologist like @serotoninluv said, but then I don't think he would make that separatiom himself ?) Maybe reccomend her some early Actualized videos. Alan Watts and JP also seems to have some kind of strange way to attract the same people so maybe find some good video by him that she would resonate with. Just some thoughts from the top of my head, hope something helps!

I see what you mean, I had a similar experience around two years ago when I found him interesting and fun as a contrast to my regular greenish ways. I think I spent my fair share of youtube time around Actualized, Alan Watts and Terence McKenna back then, so he was a bit different but with a slight overlap. I don't know how much I got moved up the spiral though and I got bored with him pretty quickly as I felt there was not much more to learn from him besides a slight gain in appriciation for discipline and just being aware what some people seem to dislike in postmodern neomarxists such as myself. I think it's perfectly possible to enjoy a JP video or two at stage green and don't really think she is neccesarely growing nor regressing because of it. (But then, who knows, just my personal experience talking.)

I don't think it's good to get all hung up on the entire "music has to be motivational/contain positive affirmations" thingy. In my experience the relationship is far from that linear. For example, last night I listened to the two most recent Mount Eerie albums for the first time. The music is super depressing, with minimal instrumentation and the lyrics deal with his day to day life after his wife died from cancer at 37, leaving him alone with their one year old baby. Sounds like some real low vibrational third eye calcifying stuff doesn't it? But on the contrary, my interest in listening to it seemed to pull me to it because there was something to learn there. Something about all the gray bleakness and how attractive it was to me made me realize how much I was forgetting to appriciate the mundane parts of life more, and showed me exatly that mundane feeling which I was avoiding. (Besides just being an amazing emotional journey that made me cry a bit at times.) Experinces might differ though, maybe music has terrible effects on some people and amazing effects on others. As been said earlier in the thread I think it's just up to being mindful and see how it affects you.

Me and my girlfriend are both pretty much stage green as far as my understanding of SD goes. We have some mutual friends that are in a polyamorous relationship so we've been discussing our views on that a couple of times. Neither of us seem to think that it's an off the wall idea and that we both probably could see ourselves being polyamorous sometime if the time was right. Granted, as of now we are monogamous. Our "reasoning" is that we both feel romantically satiesfied by eachother in combination with being in our early twenties, and trying to fit in more partners into our weeks crammed with studying stuff we are passionate about, wageslaving at the weekends, socialisation with friends, reading books and some spiritual practises (on my part) would just become such a hassle. (And I do, at least in theory, buy in to the idea of Lifestyle Minimalism™ ?) Outside of that we also did theorize a bit about the risk of just starting to use the feeling of having a new partner as a distraction and using it to procrastinate other stuff that mighy be more important. (But that's not neccesarely a thing exclusive to polyamoury and more of a potential trap than an argument against it.) So anyways that's my green thinking about why I'm not up to polyamory at the moment, hope you find some value in it!

What is the earliest possible point in time you have access to? That is the time to start at.

@Shin I socialize a lot but you're right that it's mostly the same group of people in which I'm not really interested in dating any of the women. It's probably always a good idea to just do some of those basic personal development things aswell. Kind of easy to forget about those when you're busy meditating in hopes of encountering alien mantis people or getting kicked out of the library for pulverizing and snorting all of their books in hope of some new insight on how to best move towards your life purpose. But yeah tell me about it. I feel like the biggest thing I'd enjoy in a relationship would be the proper disillusionment with the idea that it would make me happy. Because I understand it intellectually but I probably have plenty of gunk in my subconscious that I probably only could clear out with first hand experience.