deci belle

God isn't a thing; there is no creator. There is nothing to understand~ god doesn't do understanding. It's a good thing! Our nature is nonorigination; just this is quickening aware potential, perpetually on the brink of going into action. Never having fallen into action (the Creative), what would constitute self? Thus, such selflessness has no moral value. The value selflessness, vis a vis human potential, represents, is one of actualizing its enlightening qualities in the midst of ordinary situations unbeknownst to anyone. It's not that enlightening being(s) do anything other than see reality. The extreme of one's absolute nature and the extreme of one's absolute delusion is only relative to one's habituation to clinging as one extreme or another by virtue of ego (self-reified consciousness). The psychological apparatus isn't the issue. The issue of self-refining practice is getting rid of the clinging mentality (habit-awareness). Psychological and nonpsychological (selfless) consciousness is a seamless awareness, nonoriginated. The one just comes to be aware of itself by virtue of having a body; the other awakens to its selflessness by virtue of forgetting the body. What about god? Since there is no creator to speak of, the explanation is obvious. Creation is a mystery …an inconceivability no less or more miraculously aware than mere people. It is the way it is, and no one knows why. The will to enlightenment is indicative of such questions posed by the OP, none the less. There is no god. One's true nature is absolutely nonoriginated, and it is actualized in spite of one's ignorance, otherwise such questions and ponderings would never arise— would never be pursued to the absolute limit of the extreme of human potential. Even so, it is the aftermath of such discovery into the nature of perception that people get over such extremes, both created and non-created, and endeavor to apply the knowledge of potential. This is the Science of Life, as set up by various ancient teachings in the guise of their various traditions' devices. They didn't invent it. Mind itself is the authentic teacher. Understanding and logic is attributable to the light of Mind. There is no other mind. Mind is one. Even ego reflects this no less. Even before realizing Mind, it is possible to awaken to and establish rapport with potential inherent in situational evolution. One's impersonal aware nature is not different than real knowledge arising by virtue of ordinary situations. But habituation to self-reflecting consciousness obscures real knowledge. Yet, one must know a healthy ego before attempting to forget it. What to do, what to do… ed note: add 2nd sentence, typo paragraph 6, spit-polish penultimate sentence

This pretty much expresses a general taoist view of sexual commodities, as well.

okayyyy~ So what then is the point of realization? If awakening to essence is truly accomplished, what then? In taoist terms, the science of essence cannot be taught. If one stumbles upon the root source of one's essential nature through no action of one's own and truly penetrates to the source of impersonal nonoriginated potential (awareness), it is obvious there is no understanding understood. At such a time, even absence is absent. This is called the Absolute. Since such realization in the selfless quality of awake has never been otherwise, so be it~ who knew? But what of the science of life? The science of life can be taught… Have you ever heard of the science of life?

Bravo! It is up to those who do not believe, who shred the veil of illusion, who take the forward step with hands open and share themselves in complete vulnerability in acceptance of incipient inevitability.

The decision isn't the issue (obvious to me perhaps). It's the aftermath of such changes that becomes crucial. The big problem is second thoughts. Internal dialog is most destructively perpetuated by habit-energy, both preceding and following changes where we forget to trust in inevitability.

It's not so bad, either way, or even better or worse, for that matter, so don't feel cheated~ there are more important things in life. It's part cultural preference, part preventative (less maintenance) sanitization influenced during a rtelatively bygone era, where developed urbane regions were fewer and further between. I have no preference, personally. Vive la différence❤︎

Even for those who do, there is merit, but such merit is not relative to the person. Such merit is already expressive of enlightening potential, continuously expounded by animate and inanimate, without beginning. Being that it's already our nature, in seeing just this, realization is experience of nonoriginated selfless sincere open awareness in real time. At such times, no one knows the arising of the celestial potential but for those who eschew speculative relationships in the midst of situational evolution as a matter of course. In seeing potential, the gift is a given, whereby nothing is done in terms of the person. Since it does not involve the person, its psychological processes, emotional consciousness and ego reifying pattern-awareness ceases without deliberate effort or struggle. I'm not saying it's a wonderful thing; it's just what it is, relative to the situation. It's reality, not the person. Mutual response not relative to the person in the context of real situational adaption is enlightening activity by virtue of potential itself. Such response is transcendent in terms of freeing that bit of potential from within the matrix of the Creative (by virtue of karma). Subsequent natural transformation of unrefined potential is said to have been "absorbed" by adepts who can see situationally inherent potential. Those who do are said to be able to work with essence directly, without intermediary. "Absorption" of potential is the basic elemental aspect of so-called alchemic practice. It is simply a matter of seeing. Seeing is itself absorption of potential in terms of the real knowledge that I previously mentioned in the above quote. What is seen is not within the confines of a discursive criteria. Entry into the naturally inconceivable qualities of reality itself is just the way it is, and no one knows why. Formal meditation regimens aren't about being "good." "Spirituality" is really about penetration into the realm of the nonpsychologically nonoriginated unattributable quality of awake, miraculously so, by virtue of the source of our aware essential nature, which is not created. All entry-level reformative techniques are based on the nature of mind itself, to guide people beyond the realm of fixated self-absorption by the various devices set up by the ancient authentic teaching traditions in order to help students subtly gain familiarity with absorption of selfless (open) awareness. It's the same mind. There are no two minds. Mind is one. There is no karmic doing relative to the person carrying out authentic subtle spiritual (nonpsychological) practice. Our nature is an inconceivability. The open secret left behind by all prior illuminates is an attempt to keep the knowledge alive. Those who have the audacity to truly take this up are rare.

When the combination of potential and sensitivity becomes subtly apparent to adepts of spiritual alchemy, this is called a time. The ability to recognize and actualize adaptivity (following) by virtue of potential is the inherent greatness of human nature. Seeing potential is actualized by not exercising mind conditionally relative to psychological awareness unawares over a very long time. The 17th hexagram represents firmness entering from under flexibility. Firmness entering into flexibility is called following. Combining potential and sensitivity, firmness enters flexibly. If it is correct, then there is no fault. When one has not exercised mind for a long time conditionally relative to psychological conditioning in the midst of ordinary affairs, this is said to be correct, as there is no fault of having caused nonoriginated potential to fall into the Creative by influencing situations relative to one's selfish psychological momentum. In real time, unbeknownst to anyone, wholly united by resting in the virtue of the receptive, one is naturally the same as all prior illuminates who spontaneously follow potential without pursuing things relative to the scintillating trappings of the karmically bound psychological apparatus of the being that is going to die. After a long time of subtly following real potential, one's authentic enlightening practice will inevitably conceal the embodiment of reality, wisdom, and liberation in the esoteric storage of one's subtly adaptive refinement by virtue of an open sincerity expressed in everyday ordinary situations. By the grace of such receptive refinement, and entering the great sameness of nonpsychologically motivated open sincerity, who would need to know? When one reads the 17th hexagram Following without changing lines, it has a hidden hexagram inside it, Gradual Progress, the 53rd hexagram.

hahahhahaaaa~ even right now, in the midst of ordinary affairs, it's not words.

I could very well say that one's path of awakening is fueled by karma. Our very lives are karmic in nature because they are created. What blocks one's karmically enlightening potential is self-reflective pattern consciousness, that is, psychological habit-energy. Experiencing situationally inherent spiritual potential through ego-consciousness is how to perpetuate delusional existence. Ego-consciousness changes nonoriginated potential into karmic bondage on the spot. Following ego-reifying pattern-consciousness unawares turns enlightening potential reality into the illusionary dualism of self/other. Refining mind by a long process of subtle observation in the midst of everyday ordinary situations, eventually one arrives at a seamlessly subconscious state of forgetting to see situations relative to ego-consciousness, thus preserving the fundamental reality of selflessness without even needing to think or do anything that could really create illusionary separation through habitual mental conditioning.

Aloha Deci Belle, Quick question here: Do you use the Mind Palace or Memory Palace technique for storing information? ------------------------------------------------------- Extended queries if you have time: Do you/have you switched from silent verbal/linguistic concept tags to inner visual and/or non-linguistic inner audio tags for all objects? If you do use non-linguistic representational methods, and you don't want your mind getting subtly influenced by stuff like NLP, subliminal hypnotic suggestions, does your method address these issues in any way? Is your mind so unlikely to arrest on objects that co-manifest, that it is always primarily refreshing mind, with no indelible marks leaving perturbations that maintain subtle vibratory signatures that are then attached to internally generated meanings linked with associated concepts of good/bad? Have you mostly or all the way undone the mental manipulations of belief and objects representing more objects representing gain/loss, etc? Mahalos, Song Even if I knew such a "Mind Palace" or a "Memory Palace", it couldn't store potential. As for method, simply observing mind by mind without exercising mind suffices. Just recognize the time of sufficiency and turn off the fire of insight then simply rest in its space as it distills gradually as subtle awareness. When it comes to "primarily refreshing mind"~ it's as if you didn't already know… as if. The reason you saved that one for last is because you can't bear to give up all that other precious crap. It's very hard to give up. Real knowledge is based on not-knowing. When you don't know relative to the person, you see reality on the spot, gather its potential and transcend endless karmic cycles without leaving the scene, unbeknownst to anyone. Nobody else knows and neither do you. As for "based on not-knowing" what? Habit-energy/psychological momentum/pattern-consciousness: Complete Reality teaching simply sums it all up and calls it conscious knowledge. It's the human mentality. Self-refinement is the work of forgetting the crutch, forgetting the conditioning perpetuating morbid self-consciousness. That's liberation. Liberation is forgetting feelings, forgetting thoughts, forgetting forgetting. That's not oblivion. You just forget to perpetuate the clinging mentality that revolves around itself. That's what I refer to as "morbid self-consciousness." Mind is itself "refreshing", when there isn't chronic psychological self-reification poisoning its own well. Just forget it …if you can. It's not easy, but when you're finally done playing with playing with it, and you have the potential to recognize the right time, there is "dropping off" … refreshing mind is like plunging into an absence of absence. There is no remainder. Just this is repeatable, but the time must be seen to be actualized. Such seeing is nonpsychological. What was what? No one knows. Can you be just like this no one who jumps into the center of the compass and floats around witnessing a 360˚ horizon without habitually thinking oneself into existence? In the midst of delusion Assaying is sameness aplenty. Not a wit of gain or a thought of cost At the right time you just turn up empty. Lo and behold before anything's old Violet frost obviates Karma's sentry. poofs❤︎ ed note: add "poisoning its own well." at end of paragraph 7; put a "space" between habitually and thinking in last paragraph

Ego doesn't exist, there is no such thing as ego, etc, blah, blah, blah. I could say that the psychological apparatus does not exist, which is the bundle of functions that ego represents, but that would be an utterly fallacious statement. Your point is still pure philosophical speculation with no applicable relativity to enlightening activity, B. Enough.

The bubble doesn't even exist. There is no thing, B. Ego may be eternal for the sake of argument, but only in terms of the manner in which one might use the the word "eternal" relative to the context of the discussion. You are discussing something in terms of philosophic distinctions, B. This is not philosophy. I save the term "eternal", for the realm of creation, karma, the micro and macrocosmic elements relative to incrementality, time and evolutionary process, so we are on the same page pertaining to an intrinsic logic limited to this discussion, but, as others are prone to do, you are not alone in limiting yourself to rationalizing the total reality in terms of an either/or ratio-syncretic paradigm. They are the same at the same time in terms of reality (not to mean the Absolute), but in terms of creation, their exclusivity is always dependent on the quality of refined awareness potential practice by the individual; ie, the continuum of individualized attention ranging from karmically-bound to karmic-free individuals. [This is a misnomer because one's very existence is karmic, but for those whose subtle consciousness of psychological momentum preventing them from following karmic patterning as well as perpetuating it in terms of themselves and/or others can be said to exist by a karma-free state of actualization.] If one is limited by psychological relativity, one perpetuates karma based on selfish (personal) modalities. Those who see potential have already entered into the inconceivable, so their modality is transcendental; independent of relativity without harming the creative. This is the meaning of the statement, "Buddhas don't follow precepts, nor do they break precepts." I can't say anything I want in terms of my distinctions based on experience, but you certainly can. I won't be able to entertain your discussion in a philosophical context though, because what I know isn't philosophy. I have posted much in the way of threads over the years relative to the absolute fact of meaninglessness— both in terms of the conditional as well as the absolute. As for reality (suchness in buddhist terms), reality DOES NOT mean anything. I don't know if that would posit the same distinction as meaningless for your purposes, though. Let me address the quote you have provided: The first sentence distinguishes the absolute from the relative (the content of the second sentence). A lazy scholar might mistake the first and second parts of sentence 1 as a statement based on duality, in terms of the absolute (nothing to know) and its [mistaken] relative aspect represented as [no] thing. This would make the absolute dependent on the created, and such is not the case; neither in terms of the construct of the sentence nor by the facts of reality borne by those (enlightening beings) who have seen their nature (enlightening being~ or nonbeing as is the case in fact). So the first sentence as a whole is shorthand for true reality, not just the absolute. Though impersonal knowledge is immediate, there is nothing to know; there is no thing; there is no knower, thinker or liver of life, even in terms of the second sentence: "…ego exists in a void." The nonpsychological knowledge entering into inconceivable knowing is itself a nonoriginated selfless distinction resonating the boundless quality of awake. Beyond any sense of inside or outside, near or far, we can refer to this miracle as unified awareness. Awareness is selfless, nonoriginated, integral Mind alone. There is no way to imply its source. In terms of the nature of human existence and its innate inconceivable potential, just this is the limit of the limitless. There is always that which is beyond our extreme extension of spiritual (nonpsychological) potential. That ego does exist by virtue of Mind alone is relative to creation; whereas no-thing "exists" relative to nonorigination. Nonorigination is not relative to creation. Dogen says, "Wood does not turn into ashes. Ashes do not come from wood." Obviously, as I have said, this is not a philosophical discussion. Since you have yet to see your nature, there is no way for you to know, to see, or to somehow fathom that ego, as such, IS a bubble, and that it does, in fact, exist in a void. So I guess I have to inform you that your statement and the assumption it is based on is erroneous. Even if I now seem to contradict the opening line I wrote in this post, where I wrote: "The bubble doesn't even exist." There is no thing, yet in terms of the void, the empty field's venue staging the bubble's day in the (dim) sun is absolutely as plain as day. In fact, I might add that the "dark" is more brilliant than the "light", in terms of the particular nature of its congealed aspect. Taoism poetically describes such phenomena with the phrase "…in the dark vastness of the void, out of the dimness, a point of illumination, an auspicious object hovering in stillness…" It is also referred to as "liquid pearl", and "the subsuming swirl" [mine-heehee!!]. This is the impersonal aspect of the "all at once" depicted in the Tai Chi symbol, in terms of the eternal truth of the incremental. Those who see their nature can see that it's the totality of "the eternal bubble" you speak of, and yet it does, in fact, exist, in the void. But it cannot exist in terms of itself (yet another sublime parallel to ego). The void doesn't exist, yet in the context of universal mystical visionary experience, the bubble is only a sub-wonder to behold even in its practical aspect as "space-saver." The bubble is, in actuality, the objectification of potential. Only those who see potential can see this in everyday ordinary situations. Real people don't see "things", they see potential. So that's what they deal with, and that's why their actions aren't relative to karma. Only the created is relative and subject to karmic perpetuation (bondage). Those who see nonorigination as potential deal with its essence directly without intermediary and do not accrue that which is relative, in terms of the primal organization. Only nonorigination transcends the primal organization of the creative, psychological processes and time, so it is a unique vessel of unified potential, ever poised to "pass through" the boundary of creative duality, in terms of subtle spiritual adaption based on realization of potential. Those who do so are said to partake of the Supreme Vehicle of buddhas and all prior illuminates, as their entry into the inconceivable is the realization of suchness, neither ordinary nor holy. What is truly wonderful is the knowledge exquisitely exposed as reality on the brink of going into action in perpetuity. Having never moved, such experience is the source of the statement, "Awareness has never moved." In the best, highest meaning of the word, ego should be such a "space-saver" in terms of one's everyday ordinary functionality. For enlightening beings who are fully adept at impersonally adapting enlightenment to conditions without relying on thier own power (by virtue of seeing potential), such is already the case. Someday, you may be able to look forward to the functionality of enlightening activity, in the midst of delusion, by virtue of the delusional, because such activity is based on, and perpetually refreshed by, the incipient upwelling of naturally selfless reality, neither absolute nor conditional. ed note: typo 4th paragraph; add "(yet another sublime parallel to ego)", insert "objectification" and remove "personification" in paragraph 14; split paragraph 14/15

Mr Song wrote: No one is listening. The "no one" I refer to is your own mind right now. It's not the person, yet it isn't anyone else either. No ocean of tears came from me. The thought of "giving in" being pure self-consciousness without merit is a psychological chastity belt. Only you can take it off. Just watch the words flow without following them; eventually, the flow stops intermittently, or not… even the temporary silence is a ruse. Don't give in— that just feeds ego. Just listen… The ancient method is the working of a subtly continuous observation of mind by mind, using the sickness as the cure. The song remains the same. Listening to the stringless lute, what can come of it? There's only one way to find out.

Well, I hope you don't ever change— unless of course you should decide to contribute in a responsible way to the benefit of yourself and others… But then a thoughtful response on a topic within you ability to comprehend and reflect might cramp your cheeky schoolboy style. But you're still young~ I hope❤︎

Regarding what nobody knows, at least you have the honesty and forthrightness to admit what you know, Salvijus. The point is that the perspective of "nobody" is real. It is possible to experience this perspective and exercise it openly and freely with benefit to yourself and others without anybody being the wiser. There IS nothing to know, because there is no thing. The bubble of ego exists in a void. But until you actually get to the bottom of the great matter of life and death, your reaction has no power because you have yet to experience the knowledge of "no thing." Whose fault is that?

If you have the potential to dismiss Fate, you absolutely can change it. It's like Fate is the headlights, and you're the deer in the headlights. Switch positions with Fate, and let it be the deer. Just stop, and let the deer decide. Heck, turn off your lights while you're at it. Can you just wait? Even if it bumps into you after you've stopped, what can it do? Let it go. As long as you are fixated, how can it change otherwise? Don't "move on", let it move on. Fate, as such, isn't yours, it's just Fate— just don't fixate.

Mark Foote replied in a note: from "Genjo Koan" by Eihei Dogen, trans. by Aitken and Tanahashi Placed in proximity to the quote written by Dogen nearly 800 years ago, I shouldn't be too embarrassed on account of having used just a few more words to express the fundamental nature of authentic practice.

After the quote, a commentary follows. The commentary: Enlightening being is expressive of the source's nonoriginated selfless intent. This has been referred to as Universal Good since ancient times. The “creative” is itself potential, if one sees. If one doesn’t see its potential, it is eternal karmic evolution. If one sees, then one can use it to take over creation, steal its potential and step over eternity. This is immortality. "Arising undifferentiated" is the incipient point of illumination no different than delusional existence. If you see, this is called Complete Reality in taoism. The buddhist term is suchness. In terms of one's enlightening function, just this is the Center, the substance of the immaterial body of awareness, one’s own inmost heart. This "center" has no location. "Radiating aware essence" is presence. This is one’s function. There is no doing involved, it is itself the basis of one’s state of affairs. The world comes to this. This is not some other place. It is here, right now. In the midst of ordinary situations, accept your function, take the forward step and share yourself freely having walked through the boundary of karmic evolution. Just this is oneself abiding here. edit note: make quote box smaller

Someone wrote: Often enough, formal meditation practice comes to be a temporary method of comfort or control, or else an experiential device for entering into “adventure” trance-states, which only serves to strengthen the illusion of psychological identity in the transformation-body. The object of authentic zazen “just sitting” practice is becoming familiar with impersonal observation of the circumstantial mental activity (or not) of the thinker, knower and liver of life by a subtly quiescent scrutiny. However it is actualized is less important than NOT arousing the trappings of one’s mental activity to any greater degree than at whatever habitual level it is accustomed, in terms of one’s following thoughts unawares. Since such observation is carried out as a temporary expedient in order to dismiss mental adventurism of all kinds, in all times and places, it would hardly do to create minds within minds where there are actually none to begin with. Those who resort to trance-like methods of comfort would do well to reflect on this. Why? The profound and ancient traditions’ provisional exercises including specific meditative regimens exist to help eliminate habitual diversions and their spinoffs perpetually devised by the psychological apparatus which only serve to obscure naturally enlightening development in oneself. Such development clarifies an inherent ever-ready capacity to see subtle potential by just observing mind by mind without chasing diversionary sidetracks. Breakthrough in meditative arts is for the purpose of discovering the hidden potential in situational parameters prerequisite for penetrating situational accord in a selfless (nonpsychological) capacity. Such capacity is real knowledge. That such knowledge has no object or subject relative to the person means that one’s immediate acquiescence into the workings of everyday ordinary situations is naturally carried out without selfishly complacent socially speculative motivation— even if it is accomplished within the context of one's own psychological (ego) enjoyment in trance-states. It's called practice in reference to a disciplined approach to a subject one has not mastered, being non-ego-motivated activity. This in itself is enlightening accord in reality. Enlightenment, per se, has no motive. How could it, in terms of its nonoriginated aspect? This, for the uninitiated, is what constitutes innocence in oneself, and purity in one's purpose. Once an entry-level capacity for continuous subtle concentration is “isolated” from within the midst of habit-consciousness and other means of deviance from presence, one simply sees reality as is. Just this much carried out over a long time is sufficient to gradually displace egocentric views by natural nonpsychological effect. Observing mental activity at all times by mind does not require a particular posture. It really does not matter at all beyond an unbending intent to simply observe mind by mind. One just witnesses mental activity (or not) without following its contents. Resting mind on itself without unconsciously following its activity is an ancient device to develop the basis for simply being in a state of independent awareness at all times. This is the benefit of observing mind. There is no other benefit that truly serves the selfless intent of authentic and gradual self-refinement subliminally entering into nonorigination. This is so because the human mentality is unable to function independently by force of habitual reliance on externals reifying the person. This is because the psychological apparatus identifies as the being that is going to die, parodying existence only by comparing itself to objects not considered itself. Its function, having become unnecessarily personified, obscures real (selfless) being’s spiritual function. The temporary device observing mind by mind jumpstarts the natural process of self-refinement which gradually diminishes the artificial to arrive at the real, in terms of human being naturally independent of pattern-consciousness. As for witnessing witnessing, this is a perversion of practical mind by mind scrutiny developed by all authentic teachings. Do not let this develop further. When noting this condition and it doesn’t evaporate on the spot, do not follow it. Just take a break for a while and start again later. As soon as one can observe mind in the midst of everyday ordinary situations without following its thought-streams unawares, one should hasten to do so. Silent sitting is suitable for rank beginners. Real practice and adaptive power that does not depend on oneself develops gradually in the midst of ordinary situations. Though formal meditation is to be considered a temporary expedient, it shouldn’t necessarily be dismissed by adepts of advance self-refining practice altogether.

Two out of three isn't too bad, Yimpa. But it's still a twisted and inverted view. I'm going to get utterly granular for a little while, so bear with me… As for "There’s either no end to thoughts and beliefs, or there’s no end to your infinite nature." I should point out that realizing effective (as in 24/7 authentic enlightening activity) meditation, cessation of thoughts and beliefs is precisely what occurs. Therefore there is an end to thoughts and beliefs because the psychological apparatus isn't used to adapt to delusion based on one's personal views. That's cessation in terms of subtle spiritual adaption. But we cannot separate "thoughts and beliefs" vis a vis "infinite nature" because the nature of both is ultimately the same. It's the view of "either/or" is what is tripping up the fact and power of reality in one's personal existence, because it is imposing a dualistic view (that destroys potential) onto what isn't dual in reality. It's the dualistic view itself which creates and perpetuates karmic evolution and its delusional existential paradigms. This is not a philosophical discussion because the truth is that when we create or own dual reality even by a universally and ancient human consensus, it's still a deluded view. That's ok, because that's how it is (for the deluded). But even for those awakened and actualized to transcendent reality in the midst of delusion, it is possible (and necessary) to actually see reality. Knowing reality and being able to describe it in words isn't enough. The ancient saying is, "If you know but cannot act on that knowledge, it is the same as not knowing." The context of my writing is the deliberate expression of the fact that nondual (selfless) perception itself constitutes transcendence on the spot. Nondual in this context pertains to not employing views of self and other in terms of adapting to conditions. Self/other is a dualistic view. Spiritual adaption to delusional creation doesn't require action outside of the norm. It's simply a matter of seeing. When one sees reality, one responds to reality, In responding to reality, karma doesn't exist, so it isn't perpetuated in terms of the person because the perspective of enlightening activity is not relative to the person, it's relative to potential, which is inherent in the situation. That's why one does not depend on one's own power to adapt spiritually (selflessly) to conditions. Deluded conditions are seen as reality by perceiving potential instead of things (things being relative to personal views, thoughts, ideas, and beliefs). That one's personal views aren't employed to adapt to conditions is why it's selfless. Selflessness isn't a moral issue, it's just how it works. When one sees reality, it is because one sees potential (nature) instead of things. In seeing potential instead of things, one can use the spiritual (selfless nonoriginated) potential inherent in the situation itself to transcend karmic bondage while in the midst of delusion unbeknownst to anyone. It's totally natural. Since reality is inherent in delusion, there's no change. Expressing the Changeless in the midst of changes is the accomplishment of enlightening beings because they see Change. Those who see Change do not go along with its changes. And that, is transcendence. In terms of "your" infinite nature, it's neither infinite nor yours (by my definition— and I'll say why). I'm only getting unnecessarily "granular" in order to express the truth of the fact that "your" nature has never begun. That's not a word-game, nor is it philosophical speculation. The term nonorigination points directly to the nature of awareness (that's what you are calling "yours."That's perfectly proper, but I'm making a special point here. Awareness, the quality of awake, the spark of life itself, does not exist because it's not dependent on creation, whereas creation is dependent on "our" nature to exist. This statement is only a way of discussing what is really one and the same. The highest teachings of all authentic wisdom traditions express the fact that the nature of reality and the nature of delusion is the same. That's why it is possible to transcend karmic (cyclic) bondage from within delusion itself by virtue of delusion. What else would one work with? Enlightening activity is simply a matter of seeing nondifferentiation where ordinary people see duality. Real humans (enlightening beings) do not have a mind for duality, so they don't see it. It's not a problem, though, because it's the truth. Deluded people don't have a problem either, because it's as false as their seeing is. So it's really a matter of whatever works. Nonorigination is another way of saying "not created." Therefore, "your" selfless nature has no beginning nor end. Now to say that "no end" is the same as infinite is a good point, but I like to save the distinction of "endless infinity" for the realm of creation, ie: the realm of thoughts and beliefs, because it's true. There is no end to them. Nonorigination, on the other hand, is beginningless. That is not to say far away in time or space— but simply due to the fact that it has never begun. And THAT, is "your" nature. It's called inconceivability, the same way that everyday ordinary nonpsychological awareness is inconceivable— and for the same reason. The only reason it's real is because it's not created. And why is that? Creation is not primal, but to say that means it comes "after" is not valid. There is no "before" or "after" in terms of reality. Therefore it can be manipulated. One can only say that the creative aspect constitutes duality, and duality isn't real, because it's not undifferentiated essence; it's only "apparent." So, not to be too picky but still needing to make that distinction and saying why is the only reason I seem to be such a ball-buster here. Actually you are describing the essence of both delusional and absolute natures in one sentence, but you are intending to separate them, so that's why I said "two out of three." As for one person monopolizing the truth… have you seen your nature lately? Let me put it another way, rephrased from above: if you know the truth, but can't act on it, you don't know the truth. How then can you monopolize it? If you cannot monopolize it (because you don't know or cannot act on it), why worry that someone else can? It's just a bad habit, Yimpa. If one wants to penetrate the subtleties, one must be commensurate with the nature of the subtleties. And since the truth of reality is not only the nature of nonorigination (transcendent knowing), which is nondifferentiated, there's nothing to monopolize nor is there monopolizing by selfless adaptivity. It's neither here nor there in reality. So, I wouldn't worry about one person monopolizing the truth, unless it were you… There is an ancient sickness, as old as sin itself. It is the sickness of appearing to know when one does not know. Real knowledge is power based on seeing potential, which is not relative to the person. What would be monopolized by one person in terms of the truth of reality being neither conditional nor absolute, hmmmm? ed note: whooops~ change first word from "one" to "two"; add quote (4th paragraph); add "What else would one work with?" in 7th paragraph; add last half of 8th paragraph

Haha~ join the club. It's just that you can't see yourself seeing is all. No one is different in that regard. The experience of sudden illumination is just one such occurrence of seeing seeing. It only happens once, though and you never do see seeing other than in terms of a knowing palpable (nonoriginated) potential being (as such) on the verge of going into action in perpetuity. That's as far as anyone ever gets (obviously, it's not the person who sees). In practical terms, occasionally, the selfless aspect of awareness-potential surfaces in everyday ordinary situations. Those who practice some form of subtle observation eventually see "their own minds" on such occasions. It's not some other mind. What you recognize is a radiating presence subtly, as it were, in accord with reality. it's definitely you (but not the personality). This hide and seek game goes on for years and years until the effect of one's unbending intent starts stabilizing the shining mind more and more. It's a life-long process. There's no end to it, Yimpa. it's never another time or place. It's not a mystical psychedelic experience. Such nonpsychological knowing, neither the person nor otherwise, is your birthright. People should avail themselves of this potential and endeavor to develop its potential according to one's own unique predilection. It's pointless to speculate on what it is. It's just the way it is and no one knows why. What is the point is to be ready when it arises, in order to become familiar with its (your) transcendent inconceivable nature. This is realizing effective meditation, or, rather, realizing the effect of authentic enlightening practice, which is a seamless accord with nonoriginated potential (knowledge) in reality. typo and finesse a parenthesized line in 2nd paragraph

Sso muuuuch better!!❤︎ Very simple and very difficult, because it's so subtle— which is the whole point of refining away one's habituation to following thoughts unawares. Buddhism uses the disease as the cure, so watching over psychological momentum with nonpsychological awareness (once we recognize it as such), is the ancient method of subtle observation. To get to the point of recognizing the nonpsychological is itself a very subtle but tremendous insight to arrive at. It simply takes a long long time of 24/7 subtle, continuous unbreakable intent (subtle concentration). Rote formal meditation regimens are a way for some people to get started (in terms of enlightening practice), yet the formality of the (quiet sitting) method itself is neither the goal nor an effective venue for dealing with the Creative directly. As such, it is an entry-level introductory practice designed to help beginners recognize potential without getting hung-up on the environmental (ritualized culturally-identifiable "religious") trappings and associated habit-forming psychological factors. I never got involved in formal meditation practice. I was tanned, took mushrooms and peyote, had committed lengthy simple relationships, wore killer lunettes (sunglasses) and still do, studied intense subjects deeply and thoroughly, alternately followed along and released according to conditions as natural as can be (with much suffering, I can assure you). Eventually, the film/fashion career passed away and my passion (for optics) has turned into pure observational astronomy (meaning no use of computer-guidance, motor-drives or cameras). I'm still guiding professionally in the field of ski-alpinism, and I have a very closely-aligned gig developing as a dominatrix. I posted a "mission" paper here on this forum in the Sexuality section of this forum a few years ago on the subject of BDSM. Nevertheless, I began to see potential and started learning the ins and outs of adapting potential to conditions on my own over a long period of time. Just sayin,' meditation, per se, isn't a cut and dried "thing." The critical factor is the resultant nonpsychological rapport, which has no remainder; which means authentic subtle spiritual operation does not reify the person. It's a matter of working with essence directly without intermediary. Getting back on-topic; perhaps you are already acquainted with such long-practiced non-formal meditative observation, Breakinkthewall? I mention it here for the benefit of the readers, 90% of which are not registered members of this forum. Due to the subtlety of the work, all on account of the extreme subtlety constituting the quality of awake, a deceptive strategy of unbending yet easy-going intent coupled with a relentlessly continuous non-discursive (nonjudgementa) scrutiny is what eventually cracks the euphemistic shell of unquestionable ego-identity issues. There isn't really a "shell" of sorts, but, as don Juan Matus described it, our being constitutes an egg-shaped luminously fiberous matrix on which is located an "assemblage point." Emanations from the source are perceived by the being at this assemblage point which can be moved at will by those with the skill. All beings are such, but only people look like "eggs" to sorcerers who see. I'm not a sorcerer or even a sorceress, for that matter. Sorcery can be taught, it's part of the science of Life. I do not have the predilection for such learning. The challenge involved in this type of self-refining deep-psychology is in softening ego's shell without damaging it's inconceivably quickened functionality. Ego-consciousness is not another mind— there are no two minds. Mind is one. It's just that the psychological apparatus, through habit-energy, obscures the spiritually (nonpsychological) transcendent function— to its detriment. Whereas enlightening potential (the selfless intent of our Changeless nonoriginated nature) does not employ differentiation in psychological/nonpsychological operation because, already being the nature of transcendence, it obviates the divisive methods divorced (unevolved) ego-function employs. I could also say that nondifferentiated awareness isn't "mechanical" in the way the discursive intellectual function is. It doesn't have physical or virtual neurological connections or "circuitry" if you will. What's crucial is that, being your own mind right now, just this is the functional perspective of real people 24/7. It is so in terms of karmically transcendent (non-suffering as Breakingthewall put it) liberation, whether you know it or not. Yet only those who know AND can act on that knowledge have the power to effect its liberative aspect in everyday ordinary situations unbeknownst to anyone. ed note: changed "extended" to "lengthy" 1st line, add "(meaning no use of computer-guidance, motor-drives or cameras)", spelled BDSM wrong, added last line —all in the 3rd paragraph

May you achieve the object of your tool-use, dear~ hopefully much sooner than you would have ever imagined …❤︎ My problem is that I like what this person has to say when he's not defending his precious drug-habit. Such a pity. In case you were wondering, drugs aren't that great, and it is important for impressionable people who hear talk of sophisticated daring-do from the likes of one such as referred to above, and feel it's something they really ought to try— ESPECIALLY the synthetic derivations. I have absolutely zero (yawn) interest in tripping on chemicals. I worked on set as a cinematographer for over twenty years and hardly ever watched a movie I didn't have to be seen and screened. Why? I find ordinary reality infinitely more authentic than your average made for popcorn movie storytelling. I do not miss the Biz. The real mystery isn't outside of everyday ordinary situations when one finally begins to see real potential and begins to responsibly manage liberation from karmic bondage while in the midst of delusional environments. Who knows there's nothing wrong or bad about delusional environments when one isn't perpetuating them in their midst— but that doesn't make them any less than dangerous. Really!! If you don't believe karma is dangerous, how can you hope to transcent its influence? Taoism is VERY carful to warn people not to even let one's own mental concentration focus on any part of the physical body. There is a type unfocused but disciplined observational inner gazing that is safe and quite effective in one's guiding of psychosomatic energy or studying one's own body for health and sexual reasons, but it takes WORK and a long time to arrive at such proficient use of even these entry-level skills. And yes, I do treat the kind of drug abuse that people tout on this website with extreme prejudice, simply because I've been there and done that (with natural plant psychotropics). As if I was going to get guilt-tripped by such a pathetic maneuver~ after all, it's a purloined, spiritually materialistic path that is ultimately, dangerously harmful. Drug ingestion isn't hard to do. Drug connoisseurs ought to be dedicated to the experience, having developed regimens for the purposes of "debriefing" in their aftermath, but it still comes at suuuch a cost to the totality of the being that is going to die. The real work always comes after insight— regardless of the way it is "accomplished." One who has fathomed profundity knows insight isn't real either. Eventually, one has got to face reality without crutches— that's what ego is in a nutshell. The reason drugs aren't worth the price of admission is simply because they're so self-destructive. Nevertheless, such drug-abuse is effectively identical to even common addictions to the various meditation-states some seek or even retail-therapies others indulge in on a regular basis (ask me how I know)~ there's really no difference at all. Getting off isn't liberation. A profoundly lived spirituality isn't a psychologically attributable activity that transcends anything but the psychologically attributable. And the profundity is already who you are before the first thought. The work is all about recognizing that point of illumination and harmonizing your life to its naturally resonant unified awareness. No one knows that you do~ and that's not simply because there's nothing to know. ed note: fix the quote box

Of course you can, because it's your nature and you are amply clear enough to resonate with just this when you sense it environmentally. Since it's already you, you can cherish its resonance in your life as evidence of open essence perceiving itself, Sugarcoat. That may sound très cosmique, but it's just how it sounds when someone like me uses words to describe the fact.