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@Everyday

So I clicked sign in, and I instead got to download this file multiple times. LOL. I believe this pdf is something people pay for on an MBTI website? Weird. Is Leo giving me a gift? I refreshed the page and the "issue" was fixed. Edit: I meant to put "trippy" not "grippy"

@Gerhardidk@Gerhardidk@Gerhardidk@Gerhardidk (ignore the @Gerhard my phone is glitching) @pluto if only more people would understand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Outer as long as your viewpoint is fueled by good intentions and love for yourself and everybody, then your viewpoint is at the very least understandable in my eyes. I've always thought that people of different cultures and races can inhabit the same country, it just takes maturity on the part of people in that society.

@Outer My question to you is, what's the point of discussing what your preferences tend to be? I'm assuming that from your life experiences you've found than you click with white people more on average right? But even if that is true, of what use is that information? Like this whole topic seems quite pointless. Even if I click with Asian people more on average, I judge every person I meet as an individual before I decide if I want to be close friends with them. If race doesn't factor into my (and perhaps your) decision making in day to day life then of what use is this discussion? I see the racial pattern as a happenstance I care very little for. I get that you're saying that you prefer the company of white people because you connect with them more on average ( and not for the sole reason that their skin color is white I'm assuming) but I don't get what the point of white nationalism is. Is it just that you think there should be a space for "white culture" in the world, the same way that there is "Mexican culture"?

Your comment of support validates my existence and gives me an ego high. Thank you very much.

@stevegan928 This seems like a funny idea. Here's my list from what I've seen The True vs False Skepticism video also hit me pretty hard. It's the simple truths which are most hard hitting and profound for me and so I like these videos which highlight what's at the core of suffering and unhappiness.

@Emerald The trend has existed pretty much forever. Non-dual truth can't be explained in words which is part of the whole problem in talking to people. The best I can probably say is that is every facet of your consciousness is spontaneous and that EVERYTHING is equal. I felt this experience very strongly today when meditating. You speak of people using non-dual truths to bolster their "other - ising " beliefs. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... I've read some things on this forum I deem to be fall into the category you describe, and it is wrong/egoic, but if I my memory is correct very little of what they were saying had non-duality as a discussion point. I'd be interested if you could link me an example of where you think this is true. You're probably right in calling some people out but I from what I know non-duality has very little to do with it. But I will still say that their perspectives are "valid", but of course "valid" is a word which is always relative to something.

@Roman Edouard I've been dealing with boredom recently as well. I'm trying to take the approach of using boredom as fuel to start healthy habits like reading and exercise.

@Tropic Love There are two different angles of thought/experience I've taken in coming to the "conclusion" that good and evil don't evil. Before I was ever into self actualization or consciousness work, I was initially a Muslim who then turned atheist. One way to look at the universe is that its just matter and energy which is shuffling and moving around in accordance with the laws of the universe, the laws of physics. These laws are precise in the sense that identical starting conditions produce identical results in all instances. Humans are just a complex configuration of matter and energy obeying the laws of physics, and so we are no more ethically responsible for our actions than a tennis ball is ethically responsible for feeling the force of gravity and falling to the ground. Although the second angle is to do with meditation experiences, I'm running out of time to spend online and so imma just end it here.

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@MarkusSweden Exactly, yellow includes green. People in yellow can easily have the love of green in addition to "perspectives thinking". I'm not sure where you are coming from. You say that if everyone stayed in Green the world's problems would be fixed. The point of yellow is that you can implement whatever perspective necessary to fix a problem, and that fully includes green. You're deluding yourself mate, if you were truly at turquoise you wouldn't speak about moving backwards in this way. And if you want to grow yourself spiritually you need to start to see through the illusion of good and evil.

@Tropic Love To give you a bog-standard evolutionary answer, we enjoy the taste of and crave unhealthy food like soda and candy because they are high in calories. For millions/billions of years our ancestors have been struggling to find sustenance in the wild, and so when our ancestors came across a high calorie source it is beneficial for them to eat as much as they can from it because finding enough food to survive used to be a struggle. But our lifestyle in modern times differs greatly from that of our ancestors in the sense that having enough food to survive is no longer a struggle, but we have ancient machinery within us which is adapted to a different lifestyle. And as for why humans are hard-wired to survive as a species, consider if the converse were true. In this alternate scenario, our ancestors die out and they don't give birth to us. By definition, any species which currently survive must have the desire to survive passed down in their DNA otherwise we wouldn't be here.

@MarkusSweden to go to back to what the woman was saying, I'm someone who doesn't get surprised or outraged by injustices and I think most people are like this. That doesn't make them wolf, all that in of in itself implies is that the person understands and has accepted the existence of corruption in the world. In her analogy, a wolf is an asshole who has no problem with deceiving people in hurtful ways and a fox is someone who can fall victim to this stuff easily. The very thing I say from now is based on this understanding I have of her analogy. It is an ego driven paradigm which even if we entertain, doesn't account for everyone (she probably didn't intend it that way anyway). The are not only two ways of being which can be categorised as "cold predator" and "warm hearted prey". But it certainly is something to consider. The embodiment of a wolf would be red/orange and the embodiment of a fox would be blue/green, I am guessing. Just because you're warm hearted and care about people doesn't mean that you have to be run over. But I would be lying if I were to deny the fact that there is a trade-off in "protecting" yourself from the world and becoming cold, if we are to look at how most ego driven humans function.

I find this question interesting because I wonder at what point can you say that a guru is doing something unconducive for your growth. I've heard people talk about cult followings and manipulation on the part of spiritual leaders and find this interesting. A second thing I wonder is, does enlightenment and connection with the absolute necessitate that you be an ethical person? I believe the answer to that question is no based upon my own experiences with meditation for 7-8 months now. Behaving as a solipsist seems like a valid way of being. I could do all sorts of harm to people and it wouldn't matter, but it is instead the case that I feel the urge to be nicer to people and care about them. But the existence of enlightened criminals is something I see as being completely plausible, although these criminals wouldn't be impulsive and would just do what they can without being caught. What I'm talking about now is only tangentially related to this thread topic, but I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. Back to talking about my original question. Can you think of non-duality spiritual leaders who have abused their followers? Do you have footage of such people speaking? Are all spiritual leaders secretly assholes who don't give a shit about the well being of people, since they have seen through the illusion of good and bad? I have no idea at all how well I can spot a manipulator.

@PsiloPutty yeah this is a bit funny.

@Stoica Doru you're being silly. The words "my", "me" and "I" still have utility when communicating.

@RichardY You want to join a cult? Great. Just watch this video with an open mind and feel the quantum extraterrestrial vibrations as you take leaps in consciousness.To roam the circuit is to become one with it. We exist as superpositions of possibilities. Put this tune in the background as you suspend critical faculties and listen to our tapes. Thank you very much.

@cetus56 good answer

@SoonHei I had a friend with whom I talked about meditation experiences with and how I've come to the realization that my actions and my thoughts are as much mine as every other event in my consciousness. He was someone who is quite open minded and intelligent, so I knew I could have a genuine conversation with him. People who are genuinely into philosophy, psychology, maths and science at an intuitive level will be open minded to non-duality. These sort of people are rare though. Most people don't care about such things. The way I started talking about non-duality (although I never called it that) was to talk about what it means to be a happy person and how we are constantly lost in thought, and meditation is a good remedy. There is bait here for stage orange and stage green thinking. And I then talked about insights I found along the way after starting meditation. My friend doesn't meditate at all, in fact he was Muslim. Because of this, he probably found what I was describing uncomfortable at some level because it is easy to infer from my descriptions of non-dual experiences that free will doesn't exist. Overall though, he probably would have watched an alan watts video I linked to him had the video not been taken down on youtube. Even though I've said all this to him, until someone starts meditation they'll never resonate or truly understand what you're saying. I've tried getting 5 people I know (friend + 4 family members) to meditate, results have not been successful. I can't explain the idea of oneness of everything without it threatening their belief system and so I've purely marketed the fact that meditation improves mood and stops overthinking, helps you live in the present moment and be happy. But you see, religious folk who have been heavily indoctrinated will be forever closed to non-duality. To reiterate what I've learnt from talking to people, the best way I've found to sell non-duality is to market the benefits of meditation in terms that people understand. We are very neurotic people with low self esteem and cannot live in the present, and meditation will make you happier. And I'm not using the words "very" and "low" relative to what is average among people, otherwise I'd be contradicting myself to say that everyone is very neurotic. I'm using these words relative to what should be the case and/or relative to what can be the case. The five people I talked to were like "yeah I should try it" but everyone's too god damn lazy to do shit man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ego wants to end suffering, so that's a good way to market non-duality. Put yourself into the mindset of who you were before consciousness work.

@Psyche_92 I don't know what your exact position is like, but I know that if I had to pick I'd probably pick Buddhist monastery cuz yolo.

Preach.

@Revolutionary Think I've listened/read some Alan Watts and Peter Ralston. It's some good shit bro. I have strong reason to believe one of Leo's favourite book is "The Book of Not Knowing" by Peter Ralston. I'm currently reading the book, it's fairly big and very insightful. I like Alan Watts as well just because he's so good at phrasing and communicating things. If there was any video by him I would want you to listen to it would be: Shinzen Yound, Sadhguru and Jed Mckenna are all pretty dope from what I've listened to. I made this thread a while go which can help you find some good non-duality teachers Edit: I only just saw you wanted people you could directly contact as well lol. Idk man. It seems possible that some non-duality teachers respond to emails or have forums themselves. The core messages that these people want to give to you would be in book form, so don't get worried if you can't find anybody to talk to.

@SBB4746 honestly I have no idea whether what Leo said was right about 100's of books. I was initially confused listening to his videos because of the analogies of maze, rats and cheese but that was because I wasn't being "metaphorical" enough. There are an almost infinite amount of ways "cheese" can manifest. Common ones being wealth, validation, recognition, tasty food, sex, friends and etc.