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"Why God, why God do I gotta suffer? Pain in my heart carry burdens full of struggle Why God, why God do I gotta bleed? Every stone thrown at you restin' at my feet Why God, why God do I gotta suffer? Earth is no more, why don't you burn this mufucka?"

When learning about MBTI, make sure to learn about cognitive functions. Personality types XXXX(e.g. INFJ) are a secondary conceptual construction to the construction of cognitive functions, so from a certain angle one is more fundemental on the chain of epistemology. Its certainly interesting theory for me. For one, it sort of expands my capacity to communicate if someone else understands MBTI. I can refrence different functions or axes. Its extremely accurate in a lot of views in my experience, quite amazing. For me, it's strength is also it's weakness. It's strength is that it lets me point to complex things about perception and cognition in terse words, and these are things I can't precisely articulate but have gathered an intuition/feeling of over time. And other people can use their own intuitions/feelings when I use an MBTI word. But the weakness comes when you're talking past each other, classical confusing the map for the territory. Thought trains which perpetually go around in circles. THIS PARAGRAPH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT. THE 16 PERSONALITIES WEBSITE TEST IS TRASH. These two are good: https://sakinorva.net/functions https://jung.test.typologycentral.com/

Primitive/Tribal man has a tendency to project his psychic struggles onto his explanations of the outside world, rather than having rational/scientific explanation. This makes for a good perspective. The idea that these zodiac signs can predict personality is stupid. What isn't stupid though is exploring the models themselves, seeing the way primitive man explored the different facets of the psyche in metaphor of celestial objects. What is interesting is this idea that there exist collectively held images/symbols for certain things. E. G., water is perhaps the universal symbol of the "unconscious" for many people, or the moon is a symbol for femininity.

@RevoCulture You're pretty much right. There's a universal pattern in how thoughts block one from introspection, blocks one from seeing hazy unconsciousness with a clearer microscope with higher resolution. It doesn't matter if you change the precise content of the thought by using zen or yoga terms. When provided or contemplating a question one might just give an immediate conditioned answer from the memory structures of the ego, and if one gives an answer like "well such and such a problem is inevitable" then that sort of answer tends to block one from introspecting the precise nature of this thing that is regarded as inevitable. I find this point very well articulated by Jiddu Krishnamurti and Peter Ralston. As Peter Ralston would put it, by filling in space with your "knowing" you prevent exploration of that space. I remember hearing something from Sadhguru that clicked with me about how western and eastern approaches differ. He said that in yoga one is, in some sense, "disregarding" their psychological structure. And there is extremely good reason to, its the basis for many meditative practices and getting enlightened and etc. So all these zen quips you hear will be in line with this general theme. But then there's also the fact that this approach isn't the only tool one has to use. It would be perhaps be unwise to not partake in activities/practices like therapy which relate to western exploration of the psychological structure. I'm thinking of guys like Carl Jung, who push their understanding into mystical and abstract domains , alongside simple down to earth practices as a part of shadow work. The west has yielded spiral dynamics. Sometimes I might be purely trying to meditate, trying to stay away from getting "caught" in the content of thought as much as possible. But other times, I will do a fusion of thinking and introspecting. Asking myself why I believe such and such a thing, and then observing it as closely as I can.

@Fishy Yeah lineage is irrelevant lmao. @Hermetics You might be right about some of the people here being retarded in their views about Mooji, but if they are retarded, accept they are retarded. (Not that I follow my own advice perfectly). Few things are more infuriating than watching a cult a leader so I have great sympathy for what you're saying.

@Moreira When one looks at his entire career on YouTube, I'd say he changed slowly over the years. But in addition to that, there was his first 30 day retreat he did which he technically failed but changed a lot after. And then he changed a lot as well after his successful 30 day retreat, where he had "13 insights".Not to mention the multitude of blog posts he's made which I found interesting in observing him more closely. To be honest, I have no idea if he's deluded or not. My view has always been that he makes claims and beliefs about things he can't possibly have knowledge of, but I stay reserved/open. Not about this love or god stuff (since I have had some taste of them), but just this very notion that one can get conceptual knowledge/insight. Like Leo has himself said, he's not achieved emotional mastery and embodiment, but has had high peak states. I reckon he's digging deep into deconstructing his ego, hence it's a form of dark knight that you're seeing from him. Perhaps the psychedelics and their interactions with him have scattered his energies into chaos and they haven't settled yet. https://www.actualized.org/insights/nothing-i-say-can-be-trusted

J Krishnamurti is good if you pay close attention to him.

Only in the past 2 weeks have I started meditating on the floor, with a mat/cushion. Before I used to just mediate on my mattress. I haven't been meditating for a while so when getting back into it I thought I would change things up and do yoga as well. My feet and lower half of my leg get numb to the point where I am literally unable to wiggle my toes or flex my foot. Is there actually any danger to this or is it fine? Anyone here know if it's fine or not? I've noticed that even by shifting my position ever so slightly, the numbness is greatly alleviated. But that isn't the point since sometimes you might want to stay still. I'm fine quickly after getting up standing up, but it's not like my sessions are a long enough yet to know if the numbness is to worry about (30 mins yoga , 40 mins meditation).

@Spiral Wizard How old are you? Because if you're young, your personality and perception of your own personality is even more malleable. Also, are you sure you even have an understanding of the concepts of introversion and extroversion alongside an understanding of yourself to judge what such things mean? Because to conflate being spiritual with being introverted might indicate an error in both your perception and conceptual understanding (not saying that you do, or that it necessarily does).

This reminds me, Ken Wilber talks about a third tier in his book. It seems to be some (or to be very, very highly correlated with a) fusion of psychological developement with non-dual awareness/enlightenment. Unfortunately though, his book is so extremely long and repetitive from the few chapters im into. 663 pages, with each page having a lot of words. He even has an extra 100 pages of notes, whatever that means. It's like he's trying to spell everything out to make it understandable and accessible. But anyone who's into this work and will get the most value from what he says is of sufficient intelligence and intuition to not need so much hand holding. I would write a book review for it if I was motivated to read the entire book despite so much repetition.

@Felli Drop the desire to be player 1 Rigby and enlightenment isn't far away.

Carl Jung's books are not directly geared towards self help from what I've seen so far. I've started reading his book called archetypes and the collective unconscious. Whilst it's interesting, I wouldn't classify it as self help at all. It's just an interesting topic. Perhaps some of his other books would be more directly applicable, but even then the point is he isn't directly self help. But boy does he seem to be a genius of some sort. I think my motivation to continue reading Jung has been to somewhat mimic structures of thought and analysis from him, despite the problem that I'm then just "believing" something. So I try and make an active effort to interact with what is said a lot, process it for myself, so as to not let this theory be an additional problematic element to my belief system. For someone like me who's always been good at mathematics and scientific ways of analysis, thinking in terms of metaphors like Jung does might be a partial complement of some yang/yin in me.

Too much excitement for 2020. Seeing a lot of Base 10 Number System supremacy, contemplate your metaphysical assumptions here.

Everything which exists is real. So thoughts, feelings, etc are all real. However, the word "real" is often used in a slightly different sense when someone says something like "time isn't real" or "thoughts aren't real". What is not real is that which causes a conflation of the "map for the territory". I'm using this idiom because it's concise and most people on this forum know what it means, not because I hide behind it as a concept. Now the important question arises, what does it mean to conflate the map for the territory? I haven't precisely figured it out. Who is it that is conflating the map for the territory? You would be very much correct in saying that the conflation of the map for the territory is a real happening, however other people would prefer to use the word "real" in a different sense in their descriptions of this process. Various things can be described as unreal because they are structures which cause "false perception". Describing something as not real has great functional use in communication, in my opinion.

@lostmedstudent It really depends on how much you yawn I suppose. A bit strange that you yawn, why is that? Even if there are occasionally breaks in you doing the alternate nostril breathing, as long as it isn't excessive, the desired effect of it should still come about. The alternate nostril breathing makes your normal breathing afterwards more deep and more relaxed. It is similar to ocean breath in some sense because of this. Yeah I found ocean breath hard to do at first as well. It's like your throat constricts and becomes a thin straw, so air enters it slowly and leaves it slowly. You'll be able to hear the sound of air flowing audibly If done right. I don't know how to describe the muscles being used to do it. There's some sort of constriction you do in your neck/throat. Pretend you've got some mucus or something stuck in your throat, and experiment with the muscles in that area until you see how to constrict your throat to slow down air flow into the lungs and can hear the sound of the air flow. After doing ocean breath, some muscles in my throat feel tired, and I find it hard to do a lot of it. My technique could probably do with improvement in conserving energy.

@Spiral Wizard The book "Kriya Secrets Revealed: Complete Lessons and Techniques" by J C Stevens is what you need to start practicing, it's on Leo's book list. It's not the only good book on that book list though. There are many, many gems in it well worth finding out. For about a week now I've been doing Kriya Yoga consistently, and then doing normal meditation for a little bit after. I'm still extremely confused on what to make on the existence of chakras, which serve as a theoretical basis for visualisations integral to the spinal breathing practice and the everything else. However, the exercises do indeed work, which is the cause of my confusion. The exercises do indeed work extremely well, and I'm new to doing the practices, so I'll question these supposed chakras when I'm more experienced.

@Leo Gura On the one hand technical details don't matter in understanding the big picture, but on the other hand one needs a particular kind of precision in their investigation of consciousness. When one does inquiry or contemplation, being precise is important in a very particular sense of the word. An analogy, to see clearly with your eyes at a higher resolution means you can resolve more detail at a smaller scale, which is analogous to precision.

Jiddu Krishnamurti is pure gold. He's advanced so one should be careful to not let his criticisms of yoga or meditation and various spiritual practices stop one from doing those spiritual practices. And if one pays attention to him you'll know that's not what he wants at all. If anything he just directly points at what is the essence of meditation or yoga so that one does it better.

@modmyth Thanks for the information. @TheSomeBody Interesting @inFlow Yeah I remember hearing him talk about drinking lukewarm water now. @rNOW Thanks for the link.

Sadhguru states that "garlic, onion, asafoetida, chilli, eggplant, coffee, tea, alcohol and all nervous stimulants and intoxicants" are "negative pranic foods". I don't know how much of this list is true or false. In his explanations he says that these things stimulate the nervous system and hence dull ones senses, making ones perceptive faculties less sharp. And this basically has everything to do with the meditative/yogic/contemplative practices. When it comes to coffee, tea and alcohol I can believe this reasoning relatively easily. But then when it comes to the foods mentioned, I'm curious about the exact logic behind making these statements. I google and research these things and can't really find anything about garlic or onion for example stimulating the nervous system. I don't know in what sense he means these things stimulate the nervous system. Whether or not I understand the logic I'm also just curious if it's true that these foods dull ones senses.

I'm pretty sure this video is from @Shaun . You can look at the topics this guy has created to get an idea of him.

@RickyBalboa I personally find spiral dynamics to be too much of a high order abstraction to assert much about what entire stages I hate. Abstractions in their ability to describe the many inevitably lose specificity, for example a stage can manifest in 1 million different specific ways. I could answer this question from the perspective of "what theoretical construct triggers me more" or from the perspective of "from examples I've seen what do I hate more". Lower stages in general trigger me with their increased aggressiveness.

The problem with materialism is brought to mind to me with the "problem of consciousness", consciousness being beyond the "linear sum" ("principle of superposition" in physics but more generalised) of its parts. I think something being beyond the sum of its parts is impossible within the framework of physicalism, and also impossible in the framework of how we use logic. The rational mind is incapable of going beyond sum of the parts thinking. Physicalism is the view that reality is purely physical (whether its matter or energy). We assume that there is duality, that we can describe reality as being the sum of distinct objects (when I say we assume duality, I just mean that we can take the existence of boundaries to be something we can construct. Boundaries exist in order to ascertain the existence of more than 1 object.). Those objects can interlock, be chaotic, and interact with each other in whatever way you fancy but at the end of the day there's the assumption reality is nothing more than the "sum" of those objects. For an analogy. If "reality" was a triangle, you can cut the triangle into as many pieces as you want but the triangle is still nothing more the plain sum of those pieces. I think if you get a deep enough insight or look at the way our mind uses logic, you'll see that our rational brain can't really transcend this "sum of the parts" of thinking. Its deep rooted essence is incapable of transcending this thinking. So when it comes to the traditional sciences (biology/chemistry/physics) I don't see this lack of wholistic thinking being improved within those frameworks, as the rationalisations of the mind can't transcend sum of the parts thinking. Any sort of discipline (science or no science) can't create some map/model/theory which transcends sum of the parts thinking. They can point to non-dual truths but the pointing would be within the realm of duality and concepts.

@John Doe I mean this really is a fundamental question for mystics, its what Siddartha Gautama was trying to understand. I wonder too, why suffering, why fear, why starvation. Why can someone be born to do nothing but suffer? And even if there is wisdom, its just horrible that not everyone is or can be enlightened. And I'd probably be one of those people who can't awaken. Maybe for a brief time you'll see something during meditation but then samsara resumes. I remember feeling really crappy meditating/inquiring upon this, and then afterwards for the rest of the day it was like a shadow angry personality came out.

Jesus Christ. You're gonna fuck up your body chemistry in every area at all levels doing that, like seriously. For both your brain and body. Since you've already overdosed, learn and take in the experience as much as you can just don't do it again. Go to a hospital if you're very unwell. Idk what people who overdose are supposed to do to recover. Maybe drink loads of water, I have no clue.