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@Ya know I don't take spiral dynamics for granted. Seeing your question has clicked an insight for me. So I want you to entertain that Spiral Dynamics is false, or that it contains some lies.* Now with that openness in mind, consider what was emperically looked at, what was conceptually looked at, to formulate those different stages. Consider each stage. This next point is also very important. I'll be stating the obvious, in case it isn't obvious to someone. Consider the myriad of associations, images and memes you associate to each colour. If we take as our starting point that no single model/representation contains the truth, what we can do is consider the myriad of associations and other images/ideas that we are reminded of. We consider the associations because we understand that singular models as, at best, being like a 2D Snapshot of a 3D object. In summary, by not assuming the model is true, you start to see what they're trying to talk about better. [Insert further faggy ramblings about shadows and plato caves] -- So the forces of "purple" and "red". What was studied to form those memes? What's that associated with? Primal shit, biological human nature. Anyone who's ever done any shadow work, delved into their psyche, knows that man is inherently instinctual and primal. *The lie then comes in treating different stages as qualititivaly equal in essence. They are not equal at all, and I laugh if you think they are. The higher up you go the spiral, the more abstracted it is. The higher up you go, you end up talking more about particular ideologies, learned conceptual systems of behaviour, as opposed to the ultimate/general realities about the fundamental principles behind human behaviour and the psyche. The higher stages are more phantom-like in substance, simply because they are more abstracted.
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lmfao replied to RMQualtrough's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@RMQualtrough Yeah don't believe a physicist to tell you what nothingness is. If you're into philosophy I scrolled past this thing on Google called Ontological Nihilism. After an awakening experience I was googling my thoughts and found it. Can't say I know anything about the philosophy, philosophy like that isn't my thing -
lmfao replied to Recursoinominado's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Recursoinominado I think some men like myself can be too busy being arrogant assholes who mock "woo woo stuff" to actually be humble, open or listening to things. And humility is a very important thing I'm trying to relearn It's not one sided however. If someone is autisticly minded like that, they can gain a sort of certainty/clarity [especially in the face of opposition, which maya and the world is rife with,] that someone else lacks. E. G., Leo and Ralston know they're right and reaching truth. It doesn't matter if 100 or 1 million people have opinions that they're wrong, those are just opinions. Compare that to the extreme of someone who's wishy washy and has no opinions of their own, they just accept culture mindlessly. -- I'm just trying to learn how to humble and open again. Being a willow tree in the wind and not an oak tree -
I'm not sure what to do with my feelings and perception of loneliness. I perceive the world as hostile and unfriendly. Man. I remember exploding yesterday with an onslaught of memory and negative emotion out of nowhere. Something snapped, likely due to a culmination of stress and whatever other tension in me, and some repressed trauma/hurt came out. School shooter or joker vibes, hikikomori tier contempt and cynicism at people and society. Ofc this was always there in the dark parts, I just kinda forgot. Anyway so that's that. But what about right now? Haha. Can't back down ☂️. Cue theme music Its painful I suppose. I should force myself to disconnect and relax, maybe read something fun and interesting that has nothing to do with anything, but I'll be disconnected from the Interwebs
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There's not much here to work off, write something more to explain what you already know, what you currently think. Unless people know what you're really after in answering this question, as well as your level of knowledge and seeing your thought process, it's less likely for this question to go somewhere Newtonian mechanics isn't defunct, newton's laws still work all the way from tiny particles (in the right context) to massive planets in orbit {relativity is newtonian paradigm + a few modifications, some added terms. Not trying to insult relativity though, relativity is very cool, it changes some intuitions about space and time. But just commenting on a bigger picture, whilst also telling you how vital Newtonian Mechanics is. } If science is about modelling and predicting behaviour of the outside world, newton's laws still work for that.
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@melodydanielluna Two things come to mind in explaining this. Make the distinction between red and orange as abstract memes, verses when you see people "at" red, people at orange. If someone has an integrated all these stages in theory, then they'll have some elements which are red, some elements which are orange. Maybe I can be quite "red" at times {I'm using this language tentatively because I don't believe in it}. Red is a pure desire for personal power. Ambitious in that sense. It takes notions of strength in a very a literal sense.
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lmfao replied to Alan Reji's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Alan Reji Genetics is no more explanatory than anything else, it's more exterior talk. Rather tricky, it is and it isn't, and there isn't a better answer. "Genetics" is such a poisoned word anyway in terms of associations. It's looks like it's just supposed to be a pointer towards materialistic and scientific causal factors probs in this context. Move broader than that meaningless and memetic word "genetics", what this discussion is now really about "cause and effect", time. These things don't exist as they seem. But that can't be explained precisely, since it's about becoming aligned with context/consciousness rather than contents of consciousness and the fictions spun in it. Looking after your health is one thing that's actionable from this talk. Whatever drives and guides us to awakening, call it God call it whatever you want, has no cause and effect for your mind to grasp. There's no predicting when the light of truth will shine, and when you're in a state of illumination, you'll see that talk about genetics or anything else don't matter in the slightest. -
lmfao replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It seems contradictory doesn't it? But what if it isn't. Maybe it's a skill of surrendering control whilst commanding control. Even if all personas are to be surrendered in the end, maybe some personas are better than others. Less polarisingly put, some personas are more effective than others. I've kinda started to see that it's worth upgrading the persona, even if it's a lie. -
God damn fucking nígger. Nígger nígger nígger nígger nígger. Kriya Yoga isn't what I need. I just put tape over my mouth, to breathe through my nose as default. That's the breathing I need. The way the breath in manipulated in KY hasn't felt good to me in a while. The key ain't shaped right. I don't need breath manipulation, just prayer and zen will suffice. -- I will cut through this brain fog, whatever it takes. I have that resolve. Looking in the mirror, had a small moment of instability when I felt disconnected from myself, but that's fine. It's nothing all in all. I'm merely facing the problem and not running away from the instability. So it is that the "I" may be fractured, lost in space and neurotic. I will stay determined and do what I can. I'll do whatever mercury chelation, do whatever diet, breakthrough whatever addiction, doesn't matter.
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Identification with mind in a strained silence. Another pattern of pretending and unconsciousness. Taking off the mufflers of The Wired may end up being a long adjustment, may not be. I thought that I had had a realisation earlier today about aligning with "the field" or bigger picture rather than linear/specific, yet I'm in a strained and slightly unhappy silence. It's too quiet, but there's too much unnatural strain. Aaaaaaaaaa so what now Muj. First you have to admit that it's strain and painful rather than this pseudo-silence. Silence relative to constantly blasting my ears and eyes with content and noise, the boredom we all run away from. I'm trying to be more present, but that doesn't change mental strain. In fact I seem to confuse a retreat into my "mind" as being more present. Some pattern of fake silence, roboticness and dullness. It's fake, at least you can see that. It's fake!! My god it's fake. Jesus fucking christ it's fake! Don't forget! I'm sleepy but I wanted to write this down before I forget! A traveller from an antique land told me that the devil likes to make you sleepy when you're on to something. God damn is music weird, it really does absorb your perception and take you to another world. But what to do about this mind and this pattern I am biologically tired but not mood side
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lmfao replied to tuckerwphotography's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ah so there's a catch. For me it would be David R Hawkins {he's dead} in terms of heart based teachers out there. Heart based approach he seems to mostly encourage. "Life affirming" to what's around you, "Seeing the beauty in life", "Being of service" etc. Only two people I'm taking in rn are David Hawkins and Peter Ralston (What's missing is formal practice now). Ofc listening or intaking any teacher alone won't save you. The mind will find a way to create pathologies or get stuck with anything or anyone. -
Man. All I want is love, not in that way. I'm tired of straining and doing shit which doesn't matter or feel good. Going with the current. I feel sad, but it's fluid. I'm loving to myself. I feel gentle and kind. I should just keep going like this for this. The sadness turns into sweetness. Keep being -- The fact is, I'm completely lost in life. Surprised I haven't killed myself. "overcoming" this, I am to be. That phrases it as an activity which it isn't. Undercurrent of "fantasy" and denial, but that's senseless thought and nitpicking. Just pray and surrender and see what happens, not much else to say. The speaking of words never made much clearer for you.
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lmfao replied to Natasha's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I haven't been too spiritual recently. But I recently realised that I don't even know what a "mind" is or what a "thought" is. Very simple observations or questions like this, how haven't I see them my entire life? If my chakras ever start buzzing or mystical experience happens I'll have more to say. Wait, that doesn't sound right... -
A random thought I had about porn use in my case. I think the mindset in which I use porn is important, whether a type of porn feels right to me in that moment. This is my specific case. But often I watch certain types of porn and read certain hentai manga with a sadistic mindset. So as a mini insight, I've found I feel a lot better jerking off when I don't have that sadistic mindset. It's not neccesarily the genre or type of porn that's the problem (excluding illegal exploitation of minors and anything else), its mainly the mindset and relation you make to it to feed. Spirit of the law vs letter, you know in your heart what you're doing. -- Scrolling past different things, "eh, maybe I don't read that hentai today, maybe this one instead"
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lmfao replied to Alan Reji's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Alan Reji As far as your spiral dynamics language is going. Are they "turquoise"? I've seen myself or other people act saint-like due to buzzing from mystical experience, but they're "blue" (e.g. I've had some of my most loving experiences whilst being a fundamentalist Muslim) I don't care too much about SD, but just pointing it out anyway. But overall yeah, you can get mystical buzz and etc whilst being fundamentalist. You asked how it works, good question. I don't know. Maybe it's odd that both christians and buddhists alike can reach these high states. One might assume that meditation is more powerful than prayer. Whether that's correct or not I don't know, but through prayer alone some people reach a high state. -
lmfao replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@ivankiss Good posts man, dealing with shadow stuff as well. Unconscious is primitive, animalistic, instinctual. My "shadow issues" show me that my problems and solutions are pretty basal. What needs to be done is something down to earth rather than fantasy, has been my focus. I have all sorts of images and fantasies about the feeling that I "discovered a dark orb" inside me, but they're just images. -- Main thing on my mind has been authenticity. Being authentic has absolutely nothing to do with manipulating the future. Wipe all concern and thinking about the future. Authenticity has to be done for it's own sake. I'm honestly unsure how compatible verbalisation is to that kind of awareness (catching the world before thoughts of future is why im talking about this). Because you catch the world just before you verbalise it. That sort state feels weird to me and scares me I think that I'm wise or knowledgeable, but then there are so many silly and basic fears that control me. It's also dawned me that I need to change my state or change something, because there is so much I think I know which I don't. I don't know what a "mind" is , I don't know what a "thought" is, but I think I do anyway. There's more in plain sight I can't see. The next step I see for myself is disciplining myself with practices or healthy routines. Currently I'm in 24/7 stress mode over studying I have to do, and in my spare time I backlash with stress into dysfunctional habits of coping. -
lmfao replied to RMQualtrough's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yeah these are some very good questions to be asking. Best of luck with inquiry my good sir -
lmfao replied to RMQualtrough's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@RMQualtrough I knew you had anti-solipsistic thoughts the moment you starting spouting all of that narrative about telepathy and there being two hard drives in that thread a couple weeks ago lmao Perhaps just turn a blind eye to solipsism and don't think about it, instead of making narratives still about it. You dumb bitch -
I missed something obvious, or it feels like a mini insight clicked. Being authentic has absolutely nothing to do with manipulating the future. Wipe all concern and thinking about the future.
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This dissociation is so painful. Just ineffable breaking of perception, with there being indescribable airiness. This is why I've been drugging myself with technology and distraction. I'm entering territory where words fail me, where old sense-making is completely gone. I have no intrinsic logic or structure anymore, this hurts. This dissociation...I wonder if with this depression I've been suppressing some kind of "mania" this entire time. Anxiety and fear. That's what's filling you. Is this uncomfortable? Yes. What are the sensations really? The back of your head ("bindu visarga") was tingling today randomly before this. Unexpected energy changes? "You must change your state of being. You cannot change radically within the same state." I read this quote from Peter and it was aha. Struck a chord. So, get comfy with it. OR DON'T. lool So take off your shirt, open the window. Do what is unhabitual. What you desire is changed states and grace.
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@Preety_India Thick Face Black Heart is a self-improvement read for what you're concerned about. It's on the book-list. It's a lesson in ruthlessness. It's a very good recommendation, honestly. I would like to say that becoming ruthless doesn't mean you have to become "machiavellian". However you can lump together these things if you want. When it comes to (negotiating with)/handling other people. A skill which is good is being able to understand what their motivations are, what their goals are and their way of reacting to things. What do they like most, what do they dislike most. And in this way you can make a good "calculated" move. It's easy to understand these things about a person, the ethics come is in how you use this information. You can use the information to protect yourself and get good outcomes. So, learn how to negotiate for yourself. -- I don't know your situation, but I sometimes ended up in situations of "retaliation" vs "letting go". Sometimes I've retaliated, but sometimes I let go. It's about knowing when to do which. There's a time for both. For example, I have someone who really pissed me off {completed unrelated to anything on this forum}. I understand them enough to know the perfect way to get revenge on them. I knew my plan was genius. I still have everything set up ready to execute the plan. But I decided not to go ahead with it. Not because I cared about the other person, but because I don't want my mental state to be negative like that, and I let go. However, there may be a day I decide to take revenge anyway. But, I'm leaning towards letting it go and have no desire for revenge.
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lmfao replied to Parththakkar12's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Parththakkar12 @Carl-Richard Good post. If two blue people share the same ideology and are in the same group as each other, their "debates" will often consist of the quoting and referencing of ideological literature. It's a pretty straightforward circle jerk. "The invisible man in the sky likes it when you hug children" "No, the invisible man likes it when you slap them" THERE IS NO INVISIBLE MAN. But if we're talking about blue people who come from different ideologies, why nothing will happen really. The two people will talk past each other as they regurgitate dogma. "I explain to you why I think my culture is best, you explain to me why you think yours is". Orange is annoying. The error in their ways is very contextual/attitude orientated, hence you can't communicate to the other person with words that they're as thick as a brick. Midwits and high IQ peeps with large egos, basically impenetrable to talk to. At worst these folks are extremely high strung, walking on eggshells around someone who's looking for an excuse to rape you with their intellect. Orange is so annoyingly stiff and slow at discussing things. The two debaters enter a 2 hour long detour discussing strictly logical semantics that arose 2 minutes into the debate before anything of substance of said. I just want to whack them on the head {for being so blatantly inconvenient to me} for being so retarded and slow. It's like watching someone bang their head against a wall and demand that you do too as the PREREQUISITES for this conversation. You're just mad that I get more bitches than you. -
When I look at you I see this: I wish you'd understand but you just don't, I see the code.
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One thing I thought about recently with letting go is the expectation of results. I.e. I might try to (let go)/(surrender) with the expectation that it removes whatever feeling or emotion I'm suffering. But it doesn't work like that. Letting go and true surrender in theory should mean that I'm actually fully with it and not resisting it, and hence aren't clinging to thoughts about whether the thing bothering me is gone yet. I remember David Hawkins talking once about how he "sat with fear for 2 weeks straight" (which is a long time), and then I was like "aha, I'm not doing this properly". David R Hawkins is the GOAT. Also Ralston ofc. Zen Body-Being is a great book. And I'm greatly concerned with my physical body and feeling things since I feel dissociated and floaty easily. It's hard to explore and let go of feelings if I'm not connected and feeling my body properly.
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I've perhaps been recently starting to admit that coming from a place of love in regards to anything in life is a lot better. Suffer enough and that happens to you by force I suppose "haha ackshally, you should probably address that belief of yours that suffering benefits anyone or build character, it's a belief system of misery and maya ?" (Ofc that's all true though , the romanticism of suffering becomes suffering....) I greatly fear dying, I want to live forever. But that's fine, everything is all good. Nah I haven't watched it yet but I might soon