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It works because working with the energy body is the best quick band aid measure you can take in these situations. All deep questions inherently tend to upheave it, while immersion in something brings it more back into its neutral state. Immersion into spirituality and or philosophy is more of a zero sum game, provided you can even do it in such a state (which is VERY unlikely). The main problem with the dark night is recognizing at first that you are actually in one. vanish clearly was, but he did NOT realise. Medication is the most useful thing to take for dark nights, but first you need to know you need it. Thats why coming down from 120% agitation to 99,9% has to be done on your own, unless you are in proximity of a teacher who catches you prematurely in your bad state. (How many % of this forum has a personal guru??) This is the main problem with Shinzen Youngs dark night advice he gives. He says he makes the student question the validity of his freakout. This might work under supervision to catch the blowback but if you tell that yourself when youre alone and a fuse blows, youre beyond screwed. Dark nights tend to come suddenly, and someone for someone who hasnt been in one yet its basically impossible to accurately predict how severely they screw with perception and can drive you towards bad thoughts. The idea that white light protection should be used in peril has to be drilled in so hard, it needs to be an instinct for when theres even a tiny suspicion of trouble.

Thanks i wish you that too In regards to prevention for any such case in the future, could we make a Dark night crisis support pin with all known methods how people can help themselves even before seeking help from a mental health professional(because during those times, every hour matters) Maybe compile a huge list of things to ground yourself? (Eating heavy or very heavy, white light protection, violet flame purification, walking barefoot, hot bath, distracting as well as possible, no spiritual literature for at least a few days) These will never harm a person in a dark night and so when anyone notices someone might be going off the bad end, just pm or link the ressource in the thread?

“Mindfulness must be engaged,” . “Once we see that something needs to be done, we must take action. Seeing and action go together. Otherwise, what is the point in seeing?” - Thich Nhat Hanh So you can see, but I cannot see your action. Also I went through that guys post history and I just saw that after a comment of him saying "ill kill myself" someone else responded "who is trying to kill who??" In the state that guy is/was in, this platitude just doesnt help. Its just spouting the 24/7 basic satsang advice you hear over and over again and even if its true its not what enables a person to get through rough patches. If you tell someone spiritual truths but it lowers their odds of survival, what good were they? If they dont see another day to actually implement them?(not to mention the likelyhood that he hadnt heard that advice considering his time spent on this board is 0%) And I strongly disagree that this topic is hitting unnecessary levels.

Its alright to be a moral nihilist but I feel like its important to also put this into relation to existing spiritual paths. Almost every path places a tremendous value on morality. Noble 8 fold path in buddhism, the yamas and niyamas in yogic traditions and in hinduism it is said that people who use kundalini energy for any purpose will receive instant karma for it.(ESPECIALLY in the context of ahimsa) Kundalini gurus in almost all traditions will screen their students HEAVILY before initiation because if they give it to a power tripper they too will be morally responsible. This is also why they disallow all drugs combined with K because it impairs right moral judgement. "Moral" of the story (heh) for me is that this accident, regardless if it happened or not, could have been prevented, and to think there wont be another case like this considering these topics run deep is highly unlikely.

Alright I wont swear again. Well Leos general stance on non-doership, when leaving out relative truth, is hardcore fatalism. There is only no free will at the highest level, but individually, there is. Buddhism therefore teaches law of karma which at least acknowledges free will to some extent. I also meant members too, see blazes post on the second page where he clearly states that this guys death is only relevant due to attachmen of our egos, completly ignoring that this death was one where we right here could have had an impact to prevent. Which again is nihilism because he states his death does not matter, which again is wrong view. Im assuming leo got his knowledge of nondoership either from shinzen young or adyshanti (which are the only 2 teachers I see online agreeing on this topic its only a niche in Zen). Most teachers reject nondoership.

Oh come on shut the fuck up. These jokes are extremely inappropriate even if theres a chance he was a troll. We have proof for neither so it could be a 50/50. This forum and leo himself keep trending towards nihilism where basic compassion goes out of the window. If youre using nonduality to invalidate duality that IS NOT WHAT THE BUDDHA SAID. Youre not walking majjhima patipada (the middle path) which is literally what the noble eightfold path is called. Otherwise youre just spiritually bypassing. Cases like these will keep on happening too by the way, like 2nd poster in this thread said if you identify with this overtop nihilism youre a danger case already. Its telling that this forum has a mental health section at all, ever thought about that? Inb4 "wow look at this huge ego" well, the idea of the path was to get more compassionate and loving wasnt it? Of course enlightened guys shit on other peoples graves.

Its been a rough process so far, but ive been active for a few months now after a year of intense meditation. Will the rest take care of itself or is kundalini alone not enough to become fully awake? Ive seen a lot of conflicting info online regarding this topic. Also now after awakening kundalini Im basically shut out of meditation practice because the energy becomes almost unbearable if I do any kind of energy.

The problem is I almost feel like im not really stable enough to handle a "root" practice like that. Since the energy started flowing I feel like..how do I word this, "raw" you could say. Like when im out in public I feel emotionally naked and everyone can see into me. My emotions swing a lot harder (but more towards the negative). Even though K is still doing stuff, it feels like its actively blocking my own effort in all practices. Like metta is the most hardcore I could take

I actually have had NO realisation at all so far. All ive had is a kundalini awakening some months ago that has not gone away ever (its working on me as im typing this). Its just been a lot of emotional shadowwork brought up, and I dont know where its going to lead me eventually. Because its been so challenging I feel like im much farther away from any of these than I was before I even got into spirituality. I see some people claiming that Kundalini alone got them awake, but others said that enlightenment and kundalini are barely related. I do want to get there but I dont know if I need to put in additional time with meditation to have all of those realisations or even any. I have around 800 hours of sitting, mostly breath focus. As of right now it feels really hard to believe that ill get anything from this journey AT ALL because of all the side effects. Before Kundalini I could sit for 3 hours with medium level effort, now I cannot sit longer than 10 minutes especially because the energy gets painful when I start to become highly focused on the present moment.

Its a ridiculously hard thing to handle, its not even the feeling of energy thats the main problem but the emotional problems that get shown to me all day every day for months on end now. Second worst is mostly the insomnia. Ill problably get through it but im very confused towards where it leads, because all the symptoms I get from it are the same as leos "dark side of meditation"