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God, Leo, we are your most devote followers. You've literally been Jesus to me. I'm being honest when I say that. But perhaps that's been dangerous? We have questions too, and of course nobody's right all the time. But I truly want to debate this, if that counts. I am aware of how lucky I am. God, I've lived in a psychological and physical abusive relationship for two years, and if I didn't live in a western society with female rights I would have been stuck in that hell for the rest of my life. But I didn't learn anything from that suffering. I learnt by understanding my patterns, and why I was doing what I did, because a friend told me. Is your opinion that suffering automatically leads to awakening? I'm genuinely curious, because if you don't give reasons for why, how can I trust the arguments? If we look away from this suffering thing: can you agree that "disagreeing proves you're underdeveloped" is such a self-sealing, closed logic argument? No reasoning can touch it. Claiming personal insight as universal law, and then punishing disagreement by claiming underdevelopment seems like blind faith, not truth. But perhaps sometimes the truth doesn't have a reason. Then that is the response to such an argument. But if truth lacks reason, how do you distinguish it from delusion? I feel like the point is still this: you need to form opinions by yourself. And in spiritual communities, there's such a "you don't understand" attitude. This attitude can be deeply threatening for critical thinking, and without critical thinking, how do we distinguish it from religious dogma? I'm not trying to attack you. I want to find out the truth too.

That's interesting. 2025-03-22 Because I've been slured I got into a pretty interesting bluesky debate. Got a lot of response, so perhaps I'll get more followers? Who knows. But fuck, I am justified in opposing the SJWs. Because by me doing it, I my self am a form of SJW. I fight for the rights of people to say that there's nuance. Suddenly, you should not ever invite somebody who says that there's nuance. The problem is that the SJWs don't see the nuance. They se a defence of the thing, and they gather up as a mob to take down the poor person. Then, they are like "I'm not doxxing, he put his house up for sale online, and I just shared it". It's disgusting the moral superiority they have, because they are witch hunters. And, I have a personal vendetta against them. Because it's happened that I've said something to bring up nuance, but gotten called transphobe, racist, biphobe, or such things because of it. That's why I hate them. And it's justified. Feel like Voltaire is on my side. Apparently, he couldn't stand morally superior people, and these people in his time was the inquisition. PS: These people have good sides too. I have bad sides as well. That's why I stay friends with them. And that's how it should be.

I've actually experienced losing access to God, because I've realized him both sober and on psychedelics. But I wouldn't describe it as suffering. Yes, it's a kind of "I lost something important" sensation, and perhaps I didn't realize him completely, so that's why I don't suffer, but perhaps this suffering is mostly Leo's own suffering? And you're kind of projecting it onto the others also following this truth-seeking path, in a slightly arrogant, hierarchical way? I also saw the last thread about Shodburrito leaving the platform, and I know you said enough, but this conversation is super foundational for the use of this platform! And it's clearly not resolved; why has nobody answered Shodburrito's very well-formulated arguments with actual arguments? I think Shodburrito has good points. That doesn't diminish the general teachings of actualized.org. But perhaps we all need to be more critical about the teachings, especially about suffering. And perhaps the power went a little to Leo's head, more than he'd like to admit. And yes, this forum is kind of littered with bullshit. But so are a lot of stage green environments. And every cloud has a silver lining. There's too much saint worship here. Did we fall into the trap of worshipping the golden calf? I think yes. And actions speak louder than words. PS: the golden calf was perhaps a bad comparison, but the idea is that perhaps following Moses or Jesus or Leo is something to be done more carefully. PPS: hold the ideas in high regard, not the person. PPPS: this forum at least allows you to have a good discussion. LUnlike twitter and bluesky. Just there's very few people that have replied in a way that actually address the issue. PPPPS: Maybe a little sandwich is good. I really appreciate Leo thinking through his videos, taking responsibility for his following. But maybe some of his teachings are influenced by him thinking he knows better. He still is not the most harmful in the self help field, and it's quite valuable that he tries to inform us about the fact that we are slaves, and things like that.

Are all of you cis, hetero men? Because perhaps the truth is this: as humans, it's natural to grab the most we can. We don't try to combat the privilege that benefits ourselves, and sometimes we think we're virtuous and combatting privilege when this again becomes a kind of way of having privilege. Sexual violence is a kind of grabbing the most you can while killing can be kind of selfless. And we're all guilty of trying to grab the most we can, in the sexual domain this is especially over represented by cis, hetero men, with all of the negging and the banality of rape. Damn, the end to which somebody can be oppressed so that another group can grab the most they can is almost limitless. And this is a part of the human nature residing in us all. When we all want to deny the ability in us for sexual violence, the truth is that it hits a nerve.

@Schizophonia What does that mean?

2025-03-20: Trying to get to the root of my social justice warrior hate I think social justice warriors are little demons. Who are they fighting against in Norway, a social justice warrior hegemony? Is it people like me, that just want to say what I mean without being told I have a phobia of some sort? They are fighting against FrP, but I am too. But I'm more moderate. And I recognize that there might be a point there. But for that, I am a transphobe, biphobe, racist. For questioning their established truths, I am a demon. For questioning if people really are that bi as they say they are, when all of their partners have been of the opposite sex, I am a biphobe. For questioning if they really are prepared to not have biological children, I am a biphobe. What established truths in me are they questioning? That there are more than two genders? I don't completely understand it, but I'm not against it. I just wanted to voice my concerns as a female, and for that, I am a transphobe. For just presenting my fear, my biological vulnerability as a naked female in a wardrobe, I am told this fear is not justified. Is this fear something to be questioned? It is basic survival. Is my survival being undermined by the transwomen? Actually, perhaps this is it. Because why would somebody want to be a woman. Men feel entitled to control me. To have sex with me. To be smarter than me. But this is not what being trans is about, if I've understood it correctly. But it is perhaps something that I'm mad at them about not recognizing. Perhaps it is because they are allowed access to the spaces that originally were intended for me, and I don't know if I can trust them. Because I've met transpeople that I can't trust. And different to other females, they are much stronger than me. What don't I like about social justice warriors: their symbolic protesting and instagram posts. Fuck off, why are you crusading something, perhaps you could actually do something about it, like becoming a leader somewhere and making real change. And sometimes, the causes they protest for doesn't even seem like good causes! Like boycotting McDonald's because they support Israel. They're just trying to earn money. They might pull out of Israel if you boycott them. But what would that solve? And why am I shamed for not agreeing on this? their fricking entitlement. They are the first to demonize the Trumpists. And the Trumpists are dumb, but they're not demons. It's the banality of evil. God, but perhaps I'm just too bad at defending myself. defund the police. The police have actually done a lot for me, even though the system side with the oppressors (in Norway), at least that's my experience as a woman. that I'm a fricking minority now. Yes, it is survival. But, as Leo, our Jesus, says, survival is the engine that runs civilization, so maybe it's legitimate to be sulky. am I really stage orange or blue for saying this? I feel like I'm not, but people always think they're right, so I guess I might be. Yes, I am evil too. I am deeply, deeply evil. Evil is banal, or perhaps Leo would say stupidity leads to evil. But at least I'm aware of it. All in all, I agree with woke people about several topics. But I think it sucks that I'm afraid to question things, and they make me afraid of questioning things. I feel gaslighted. Who's the delusional ones? Me or them?

I want to journal more. And I have a lot of opinions and feelings. And I've realized Leo is my Jesus. And I'm really embarrassed about it actually. That's why I don't have a profile photo. But whatever. I just want to be heard. I feel like nobody understands me, and I can't talk about my ideas with anyone. So I can put it out on the internet here, in a safe space, where nobody is going to come for me because of it. And I'm really afraid I'm genetically inferior because of one of the blog posts in Actualized.org. I hate that the mean girls are winning life while the bullied ones, like me, are (perhaps) losing. I'm trying my best. But I'm not great. I'm a lazy fuck, I'll admit. Because I'm not motivated by status or money anymore, which might be a little dysfunctional actually. And I'm deeply stuck in survival. As a multicultural, educated 25-year-old woman in Norway, a social justice warrior hegemony where I'm not only alienated by the right because I'm an immigrant, what they're fighting against, but also by the moralism of the left. And I'm trying to survive. I should be working on my master's thesis right now though. Maybe I'm too much of a perfectionist, and this is absolutely time well spent. I don't know. I feel like I'm the smartest, but so are the idiots. Fuck. At least my parents love me. That makes me cry a little. Welcome to my diary. PS: and I'm really confused about life and reality. But you got to work from where you're at. I guess it is what it is. Hope nobody reads this and realizes how dumb I am, but then, perhaps that would be a gift.

I feel like the mental symptoms of having a over/underactive thyroid are not very acknowledged. I had to fight to get the frickin doctor's notice, and my resting heart beat was at 115 per minute, my neck was like I'd swallowed a whole potato... But how could anything be wrong, you have only abnormal hormone values? My ass... The body is a system. And I was also treated in a way increasing my risk for another episode two times ): I have episodes of hyperthyroidism, and I have to work so much harder to get things done when I'm in an active episode. Life get's much harder. So I feel you.

I have Graves (the opposite of Hashimoto's kind of, too active thyroid) and I feel like the meds are not fixing everything for me either (temperaturewise++). I will say that meditation and healthy eating have helped me a lot with the more bothersome symptoms, which for me have been difficulty concentrating, and low energy - which would have helped without the disease too, but definitely something to consider when these functions are more fucked up. This is obvious, but many aren't doing it. Also, I only do levothyroxine in the morning, and I feel like it helps compared to taking it in the evening (?) But I only do 50mcg every day. And I strangely feel really good with slightly too low thyroid values (around 10 on some metric I don't remember). Maybe you could experiment with your dosage to find a sweet spot where you feel better? And bro, why are you taking iodine? It's not like the old days where it came from lack of iodine. It's autoimmune.

Recently I've been really frustrated about the fact that seemingly, people with good values, depth, and wisdom doesn't do as well in the education system as people with shallow values (no values) and bad moral views. Might this be because the education system itself often is very shallow and somehow not dedicated to true learning (making people understand stuff instead of mindlessly accepting them), and people with depth value true learning? Or is it just a matter of discipline? Personally, I've been on both sides. When I was younger I was really academically hard working. I even had Leo's quote "Study for the sake of studying" hanging on the side of my desk. Being 23 now, and soon to start on my master's degree, I'm not as obsessed with getting good grades as before. I am, but only in the subjects that I see true learning and value in. Some subjects are really mindless and trivial, and it's really hard to be motivated to work with these, even though an HR person would probably see value in the grade. I guess the real reason it annoys me is because I'm afraid employers don't value real interest and side projects, but would rather see a good grade average. If the subjects actually test how good you'd be in the profession this would be OK, but they don't. Also, a lot of firms seem to be madly exploitative and don't see value in having people with values on their teams. Ugh. I just feel like society doesn't value wisdom. And it makes me very sad. Fuck. I guess the real issue is that corporate life is so orange and that the world seems so upside down... Is mainstream society as it is today a place where shallowness is more valued than depth? What do you think about this?

This is a good article too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_artificial_intelligence

I'm currently taking an introductory course in machine learning. Right now we're so far from building a model that intelligent that it is capable of awareness. It fails a lot of very simple deduction tasks. I don't understand what you mean when you say that we don't know how it works. We know how neural networks work. We just don't know the exact associations and weights between the nodes. But it's basically a network of associations. And pretty far away from anything that can be considered a threat to humanity. Reinforcement learning is far from getting out of hand. At least what my professors say. And from what I've learned the AI's can also be pretty dumb (especially when it comes to deduction). Personally, I don't think you should dwell too much on whether it is a threat to humanity or not. We're so far away from being able to create that intelligent AI. Personally, once you get a little bit into machine learning, it's not that magical. It's just algorithms and a lot of tuning of parameters. The article is also not that great in my opinion, basically a guy stating a lot of scary stuff without mentioning all of the counterarguments.

Haha it would probably seem a little weird in a negative kind of way if you didn't take them off eventually. Maybe just follow common sense and take them off after a while, unless this is a common thing in Texas (?)

Superlikes makes you stand out a little bit from the other guys. It does work, obviously in combination with common sense attraction principles. Most people like to be liked a little extra:) Personally, it could turn a 'X' to a '<3', if you're not too far away from what the girl usually likes of course.

You will discover this when you've been in a relationship. I would not get too theoretical about it.