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Fuck, if that's how it's justified I don't want to be around here anymore.

What do you mean. There are multiple groups in the culture war, and blue-orange vs. green isn't the only one. Are you insinuating that I confuse FrP for yellow? That's quite hurtful coming from somebody who is a moderator.

I'm trying to break down the concept of long term partnership from a yellow perspective. What is actually at play in a typical partnership (husband/wife, husband/husband etc.)? What is the deep mechanisms that makes many seek and enter such dynamics? Why do we (often) crave these kind of relationships? I'm talking about "normal" partnerships, not involving dynamics like violent relationships, borderline relationships++ although perhaps I'm not quite connecting that these perhaps are more similar to "normal" partnerships than I think. "The Social Contract". A reason for relationships back in the days, and probably in many developing countries still. Relationships as a function of societal expectations and (?)dogma. "Community reason". A perhaps obvious reason for partnership: the basic human need to have community and be loved. An escape from loneliness. But this can be fulfilled through friends too, so why don't people settle with friends and purely sexual relationships, and call it a day? "Sexual intimacy reason". Maybe we just have a basic survival need (oogabooga kind of vibes) to have sexual intimacy? This is established most easily perhaps through a long-term relationship, with a person you can at least tolerate. Maybe this dynamic is quite prevalent actually... But it does not seem like a very conscious and valuable reason to enter a partnership. Relationships as a basic physical instinct. "Development reason". Maybe we're just looking for somebody which can help us develop ourself more than the more casual commitment to the case friends have. Friendship is less committed and devoted than a relationship, so we need to seek another kind of dynamic. What are your ideas on this?

I know you say it's not all about sex, but maybe it honestly is? Do you feel a deep connection with her personality, would you wife her up? Maybe you should try to have a talk with her and try to get to the bottom of why she is feeling this way, and then try to connect this to what value you see in the relationship?

Haha you'll be amazed at how many women want to actually be lowkey traumatized during sex. I mean, what even is sex? It is a very animalistic act, no? I don't know if I follow your "God rewards you" statement, as there is something deeply animalistic about a dominant man, and a submissive woman. And nowadays we don't have many outlets for this animal nature, so perhaps both genders seek to let this out during sex?

This^ Who hurt you brother. Or rather: which woman hurt you haha.

Well, I can only speak from the perspective as somebody who thinks they are yellow, since I went through periods where I was quite green. I don't know how you live life, but a tip presented by Leo is that stages have to be transcended, something I agree on. So what are you doing to really embody your green values? In my experience, you have to realize your ideas in action. This way, you'll understand the limits of your thinking. For me, I was vegan, I was active in Extinction Rebellion, and I only bought used clothes (except underwear and socks). I also lived a quite hippie life, where I was quite anti-authority in my attitudes to the world. Before this, I embodied a less extreme green, was blindly loyal to more leftist, environmentally focused parties due to conformity and putting myself in a very green high school, and pescatarian for three years. It didn't last long (2-3 years? One year with the most extreme behaviour) before I felt something was not quite right, and that this lifestyle was not sustainable, and I started looking for other attitudes. This period also involved some giving up on orange values, like taking a break from intense studying to look for more life experience. I totally relate to feeling stuck haha. After a small epistemic breakdown I feel a little disillusioned with if I know myself at all. I also have a group of green friends I love a lot. Still, I sometimes get very sad about the way that they believe their way is the right way so much, how they are so privileged in every way, how many of them did nothing to grow themselves as they were provided their values by their family, and still shame people of the lower stages. I feel like they are not realizing that devilry is a lot closer to them than they realize (not that I'm some sort of angel, far from it). Edit: feel like many of them shame yellow people too. Many strawmen and horrible debates in the papers on the culture wars between green and yellow in my country at least.

OK, it's done. I have a master's degree. And a job. Suddenly, I don't feel like the tiredness is weighing on me. What do I even feel now. I still feel like I need to deal with my fucked-up-ness. I still feel like there's something inside me, a true nature perhaps, that I can't quite reach. And I don't know how to reach it. But I know what I'm going to try.

Tomorrow I'm defending my master's thesis. I was thinking of working on my presentation today, but I haven't done so yet. Why? Because I actually couldn't give a fuck about the topic of my thesis. I made a big, big mistake in not creating my own thesis, but rather grinding away at something because it would look better solving an actual issue than doing something more creative but useless. But the creative and useless are more in line with what I'm actually interested in. Because I have sadness that will be with me probably for the rest of my life. Have I seen war? I still struggle with guilt for my emotions, because some think they are nothing. But for me, my experiences are deeply traumatic, and I have nightmares that send me right back when I think I've finally come to peace with what's happened to me. I struggle with life. The things in life which are supposed to be the most pure and innocent have, in my life, been muddled with violence and predatory sexual drives. I'm amazed at how far I've come, these things considered. But is life really supposed to be a pendulum between neutrality and sadness? Why do some girls manage to, despite being in similar conditions, attract care for themselves? I don't know how to get myself out of this. My soul is tired.

I feel like we agree @Jodistrict? Still kind of feel gaslighted about this topic by my society. Because of course the people for cancel culture don’t frame it as that they are cancelling or against freedom of speech. They just think «wrong» thoughts should be deplatformed (often with weak arguments for why). Do you think that that is self deception?

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I don't know if anybody is debating here still, but I'm curious about this topic. Isn't the problem here what's propaganda? What are morally despicable arguments. I see all kinds of meanings taken as propaganda, and attempted cancelled. Like saying that Russia might have felt threatened by Nato, without justifying or defending the war against Ukraine. Should you be silenced for this opinion? Isn't this OK to mean? And if it's not OK to mean, is it productive to silence you, instead of answering why it is despicable by trying to explain? This is a huge topic today! Because in a society, lots of people have opinions that are incorrect. We hopefully live in a democracy, so these people can vote. If we are going to live in a democracy and not trust people to find out the truth in open and honest dialogue, meanings are not going to be questioned, and if meanings are not being questioned, and questioning is punished by cancelling, how are you supposed to know what's true and not? How can you know that the views aren't themselves propaganda? If you see this, I'd really appreciate a video (or blog post, I read you're response to the evil demon argument and you gave me a lot to think about) on this @Leo Gura. This is a big, divisive topic today, and I'm curious on a deep take from you on this. I disagreed with you a few days ago, and you shut me up, not by mere cancelling, but by explaining why I was wrong in your recent video. And I recognized that I was wrong. Would it be right to ban me? Because it seems like that's what most people think nowadays. But in this case, you're still allowed to vote when you're banned. Then, the argument could be that a democratic society is not the best society. But plenty of people are saying that they are for democracy, but not for freedom of speech, and isn't that a contradiction, as you end up with established truths not being able to be questioned, which is defeating the purpose of democracy? Edit: isn't it a problem that people can't distinguish Fox news from honest conservativism, and are using cancellation to silence both of these voices?

I just had the most terrifying nightmare of my life. The nightmare was this. It came to the knowledge of my university that I've been chatting about something about race theory, and gotten an answer confirming that some races was more superior than others. I think it was some debate on the actualized.org forum. (The wording was something like "because of the [...]" (insert some very questionable, brave new world sounding theory)). My supervisor came to me, showing me what I had done on his phone, and I tried to say that I don't mean that, and he had to see the context. I explained that I've been on a forum, and he immediately took it as I had been radicalized. I continue to try to explain, since there had been a big fight on actualized.org (like there was just now!), and that I didn't support the answer I got, I was just curious to explore the topic. I eventually managed him to let me explain, and he listens, before he heavily implies that he wants to have sex with me, if he is going to let this slide. I agree. Suddenly the time warps, and I'm transformed into the same room, but some minutes later. And I still get no understanding from my supervisor. I don't forget what happened later, but the situation continues to get worse. Nobody wants to listen to what I have to say, and finally I find two people (female vietnamese professors) that are willing to meet in a debate about the topic. Have I just been shown a glimpse into the world of somebody being cancelled? Their life and livelihood being taken away, because they meant something wrong. And maybe they were wrong, but it was not enough to admit it. They had to be punished harshly for it. And nothing you say mean anything, the mob is right, not you. Sorry is not enough. It's like in Severance, in the break room. “Forgive me for the harm I have caused this world. None may atone for my actions but me and only in me shall their stain live on. I am thankful to have been caught, my fall cut short by those with wizened hands. All I can be is sorry, and that is all I am.” Being a public speaker is certainly not something to be taken lightly. I feel I have committed a serious mistake, posting my meanings online. But at the same time there's something chilling about the reaction from the mob. Something I somehow think very similar to the Severance break room statement. Except that not even this statement is enough. What does this mean?

2025-03-29 I too am deluted Where should I start. The older I get, the more I realize how wrong I am. How two-faced and deluted I am. How I see the splinter in my brother's eye, but not the plank in my own. And I am not done realizing this. And I'm too dumb to realize it on my own. What am I feeling about my SJW friends. I've been too busy judging them, when who I really should have been judging is myself. Because didn't I do the exact same thing as they did, just at a higher plane. Or maybe I don't understand enough about this situation, and the depth of my own corruption. And that's ok. You live and you learn. The recent video has been the most important for me until now. I really need to think now. I'm scared.

Just watched the recent video. Touché.