Matt8800

Direct experience is the ONLY thing that we can know to be real. I think this should be fairly obvious to anyone that looks. If you disagree, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Direct experience is always real. Interpretation is subjective.

Some individuals motivations for doing psychedelics are healthy and some are unhealthy but that is the case with many things.

agreed. im simply stating some statements are true and some are false. what people do with that is up to them but lying to ourselves is of no benefit. I never called anyone a loser. Any feeling that I did is just someones projection.

i appreciate your stance. Everyone has a different role to play in Shivas dance.

I dont need anyone to listen to me. Im not projecting an opinion because it is not an opinion. I am communicating truth from direct experience. To say I am wrong you would need to say that people do not get value from psychedelics. I am simply stating that the assertion that psychedelics has no value to anyone at any time is a delusion. That is a fact regardless of anyone's feelings. Whoever understands was meant to understand. If someone doesnt understand, it wasnt meant to be and that is OK with me. I speak truth without reservation. That style isnt for everyone but it is for some. Let the chips fall where they may.

I can only know what they are thinking if they state what they are thinking. If someone makes the statement that nobody gets spiritual value from psychedelics, that statement is delusional. Its not about labeling, its just a fact.

I am not patronizing or belittling anyone but I do rightly denounce any statement that says that psychedelics are of no spiritual value to anyone. There is nothing unspiritual about denouncing delusion. If someone wants to say that they choose not to use psychedelics personally regardless of the value to others, I see no delusion with that but that is a different statement.

No, I disagree. If someone says that I did not get real value from psychedelics, that would be an assumption based in delusion. It simply is not true. I dont assume I received value from psychedelics, I know from direct experience.

No, I am saying that I dont think his path includes psychedelics so I dont necessarily recommend them. Its different for everyone, which is my main point.

I dont need to communicate my direct experience because nobody else is responsible for my growth. Besides, it is ineffable. The main point is that if you dont want to do psychedelics, dont do them but it is delusional based in ego to assume nobody gets real benefit from them.

yes, agreed. Some people's path does not include psychedelics. The main point is that SOME people's path does include psychedelics and they get massive benefit from it. Demonizing something from ignorance could confuse people that might get something of great value from it. I mentor several people on their spiritual path. One of them is afraid of psychedelics and is not as aggressive on his path as I am. It is my job as his mentor to direct him in the way HE should go. I dont push the issue with him because I dont think it is his path.

To say a direct experience isnt real is a misunderstanding of what direct experience, and what reality, is. Direct experience is the only thing that is real.

Life purpose and growth assessment is purely subjective, as it should be. Thats why I find it interesting that inexperienced people make assumptions about the value, or lack thereof, that others experience of psychedelics. If anyone (including people like Sadhguru) contradict my direct experience, I always choose direct experience to find truth.

My growth and I am the one measuring and attaining that growth. If anyone has contrary opinions, I expect them to back it up if Im going to take it seriously. Asking for a quantifiable example of growth is like asking someone to explain a psychedelic experience. Only direct experience matters ultimately.

My suggestion is simply to seek truth, regardless of egoic reaction. If you want to do psychedelics, do them. If not, dont. That is my point. Frankly, I have no use for other people's opinions that is not based in direct experience.

This is based on the assumption that people that use psychedelics are simply chasing an experience. This may be true for some but not others. I am referring to people that use psychedelics and continue to get steady and real growth as I have (and many others).

@mandyjw There is no issue with people that choose to not do psychedelics. If you are averse to OTHER people making a choice to use a tool that you dont know anything about, isnt it a good idea to just admit that maybe people that do have experience are more qualified to have an opinion? There is nothing wrong with admitting that we dont know something.

Sorry, still not sure what your point is. If you dont want to talk about it, then dont talk about it.

I could ask the same question as to why you replied The point I am making is maybe it would be a good idea to search oneself if they hold on to strong biases, with no experience, about other people's decisions. If you think I have a strong bias without substantiation, I'd love to hear what that is Lets seek truth regardless of how the ego reacts.

@SoonHei Yes, I agree that not everyone has knowledge or access to psychedelics. I am referring specifically to people that have been exposed to people that have had experience but so adamantly reject it out of personal bias. They cant just say that they personally choose not to do them; they feel a need to assert that OTHERS do not get any value either. Its all ego based.

@Enlightenment There is one right here. I smoked DMT about 3.5 years ago. I didnt meditate nor was I a spiritual seeker at that time. The night of DMT, I met my inner guru that told me that love is the most important thing, suffering is an illusion, beauty is everywhere (even if we dont see it) and that I needed to start meditating daily starting immediately. I have meditated every day since. DMT radically changed my life permanently. If this is something you are pulled inside to reject, you should search yourself as to why. Is it possible that you have chosen not to do psychedelics and you dont want to believe that others may have an advantage you dont?

Unsubstantiated, biased assumptions...

Thats like saying you dont need a hammer if you have a screwdriver. They are two different things with different uses

Thats fair but it illustrates my point that Sadhguru isnt quite as elevated and unique as he would like people to believe. Be wary of people that hype themselves.