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Why do you want to believe that?

Are we trying perpetuate this division of the perceiver and the perceived or see it for what it is and end it??

Understand this entire movement and order in awareness is possible.

Awareness comes with the cessation of thought moving in its mechanical, and fragmentary patterns. To train is to cultivate thought/the thinker. And that is classic fragmentation, and mechanical movement.

Just to clarify Memory and thought go together. Without memory there is no thought. If there is no understanding of thought, then how does one know when thought has exceeded its boundaries? If one wants to maintain awareness one has to be able to identify when and when not awareness is disguised as thought. Thought will be selective and bias to what it wants to be aware of. We have to know how to identify when thought is in movement. Otherwise thought will deceive itself. Every experience must be totally gone through finished, and not carried over to the next onto the present. Awareness means constant observation of thought so thought does not transcend its own limits and say that it didn’t do so. So illusion and deception don’t go unnoticed. The whole movement must be totally understood. How all “parts” interrelate and interdepend.

The accumulating of knowledge/experiences about non duality amongst other things prevents the ending of time. Thats where the illusion/belief comes in.

Only if thought/experience ends does duality end. The whole of Thought must be understood to end thought. It’s not a conceptualization that I’m sharing. Unless thought/experience/time ends then this is all belief. It’s only on the ending of the movement of duality that the nondual is. This is so. what is or “reality” cannot be when experience/time is in movement. Thought can never see TRUTH

It’s an illusion but a fact. If there is this “i” then time/experience remains. Therefore the projected experience is attributing to itself as being independent of the experiencer. Which is not the case. Very subtle. This is why the movement of time/experience must end.

@Dodo Did I make that clear enough? I cant really explain that any simpler than that as of now.

Only is that a conceptualization that experience has formulated? Or is that a seeing due to the ending of experience?

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Great question.. You are getting this quite well. If f there is the subjective experiencer then thought/the thinker is in movement. If thought is in movement then the “preset moment” actually is a projection of that content and recollection “memory”..The accumulation of the knower/The known. When thought is in movement each ”new” experience implies a projection of thought “experience, knowledge, through the recollection of memory, which implies that it is actually not a new experience at all. If there remains a division between the perceiver and the perceived then there is no new experiencing....Just sit on this for a while If is confusing. Well nobody is “right” until it’s understood yet. You will have to go into it and see it in yourself. Otherwise it remains a theory and not a fact to yourself. As far as sense perception... When there is a cessation of the movement of thought/experience and what it implies “the response of past experience, knowledge, through memory” which is static, there is no imposition of that movement/content being impressed onto each new dynamic moment. Then there is an experiencing free of the experiencer/experienced or the movement of self/thought. This is the ending of time/thought. A cessation of division between the observer and the observed. An ending of space between subject/object. When there is thought/thinker all new experiences are not new at all. When the movement of thought/thinker ends then that is creative, new, active, alive, dynamic experiencing. This is the essence of love, compassion, beauty, joy, which are not movements of thought at all.... This is what I call headlessness and when even deeper centerlessness. Go into this very deeply. Don’t accept it or deny it. As that is thought in movement. Don’t let choice enter and contaminate the exploration.

Ok

I’m not arguing. I’m Sharing. @Squidward deserves honest intent.

You asked....What does "Language will get ya" mean? Thought/thoughts/the thinker, is influenced by language. I would have thought you would know that being on here so long. Anyway I got to go friend. Like I said, check it out I really do hope you the best

Oh for heaven sakes man. Don’t you get tired of defending yourself?

Maybe this is where your issues are arising. Language will get ya.

@Outer ? I have communicated this to professors, psychologists, a few life long Taoists and they all seem to understand just fine. Your just not understanding. Because perhaps you have never gone into it/yourself Its ok. Like I said explore.

Yeah Although they are already one ? Also this relates to what I mean by “goal” preventing this death from becoming actual. Do you see that? Because the a goal reinforces/sustains the continuity of the subject as an actual entity. Therefore the psychological division doesn’t end.

Without the movement of thought/the thinker there would be no subject to identify with something else. Which means no “entity” that “experiences” lol, emotions, thoughts, and so on. Do you see this?? All contained within mind.

Look into that. You will see these are all within state of consciousness in which sorrow, fear, hate, is experienced, as distinguished from cognitive and volitional states of consciousness, which is thought/ego. All of these only come about by the “movement of thought. Think about it. For example, there is the perceiving, contact, sensation, and then thought/desire/the self comes in and identifies/associates with that object. Then once that experience is recorded there later comes a memory/recollection of that experience in which thought/ego says hey I want to experience that again. And pleasure is born. Pleasure only comes about when thought wants that experience again and again. Then when thought can’t have that experience again comes fear, pain, sorrow, suffering. This is all found within the field of consciousness/thought. This is actully one whole movement, but again thought will attempt to dicect everything down into peices. That what thought does. But actually it’s all interrelated. Hints movement of thought/the thinker. Look into this though. Don’t ever just accept nor deny. Investigate for ones self. That’s how I do it.

@MarkusSweden Its ok. We tend to do that from time to time ?

Arguing against nonsense is important when others are asking for help. She asked an important question. This stuff needs to be understood. It’s fundamental and essential. There is no other way. If we don’t understand the nature and structure of thought we are lost and insist otherwise. And there’s no judging I haven’t formulated an image about outer. I hope him the best.

This stuff will be read by others. Since I was the first to reply into the conversation it became my responsibility to make sure it wasn’t contaminated by insecurity. Although it was contaminated, but I’m pretty sure somebody out there will see the significance of what was said. I wouldn’t be posting if I wasn’t absolutely confident in what I was sharing.

Ok buddy ??