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Although I don’t mind these personal attacks, perhaps one could at least consider the obviousness and keep in mind what @robdl has said above. Maybe we can apply that understanding/awareness to our attacks as this mechanical urge arises . Observe ones own action in movement and relationship. I mean hey, this way one gets there fix in the glorification of their own image, yet the possibility of learning about oneself in relationship may arise. Give it a shot, attack away, but at least for your own sake, see the significance in @robdl‘s posts while taking those shots on an entity that doesn’t exist. Shadow box away friends After all this thread is about fragmentation. This movement of fragmentation is quite obvious to detect. Maybe readers/members of the forum can benefit through observation of these attacks (fragmented action). And maybe those readers-members will get a first hand glimpse of fragmentation in movement in others, since the fragmented self does tend to hide its own contradictory movement. Never the less, it’s a win win, right? To see the falsity that this compulsion to attack another may seem to positively charge ones own self image in the form of pleasure, but may actually only further establish, sustain, and perpetuate ones own self inflicted pain. Can there be an awareness and therefore an ending to all this movement of fear? Once this is seen-understood, we find that we can learn from anyone. Relationship is the greatest teacher indeed.

Indeed..excellently expressed about the image, friend. To be able to observe in relationship with ourselves-others is a necessity indeed.

Indeed..great post. Very important questions. Perhaps we can put aside the question of “how can I let go of resistance”, seeing that it nourishes “the i”, and we can instead start with what is the nature of reistance. Maybe through understanding resistance, freedom without resistance manifest in that seeing/understanding.

Perhaps understanding what is resistance and what is not resistance would be worth exploring.. Can we understand the nature of resistance and how this subtle movement of fear manifests in our daily life? Can there be an awareness to that understanding of resistance in movement?

It’s quite interesting isn’t it, we pursue the abstraction of “enlightenment” as if it was something we already knew. We invent the abstraction of what enlightenment is, and then moving away from the fact, strive towards that abstraction. This is done habitually, mechanically, compulsively. Can we end this mechanical pattern of pursuing our own inventions projected by thought? Can there be freedom without that time bound movement of the i?

Indeed...as to be authoritative, or to accept authority contributes to dependence/attachment, which breeds and nourishes FEAR, which then perpetuates more and more fragmentation within the stream of consciousness.

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Seeking enlightenment, seeking truth, has no meaning to those who are not FREE.

You might want to investigate that more friend. It’s important indeed. I don’t talk about being enlightened. We are constantly in change. Even if I had said I was enlightened, which I would never say, it would be closer to i have been enlightened. ? As long as this pursuit of “enlightenment” is in movement, so is time/effort(the i). The energy effort/time(self) is very limited-finite. The energy of effort-volition is contradictory and therefore breeds conflict. One desire in conflict with another. This seems to give one energry, but that energy is very limited-minimal. When all effort-volition/time ceases to manifest, energy is limitless, infinite, boundless. Energy must be infinite. Effort/time as the i, implicitly sets its own limit and continuously tries to exceed that limit.

that’s because there never was a post like that. I am not a reader. I have read 0 books at all in my entire life. Thank heavens

Indeed no effort. But what is effort and what is not effort? Do we know the difference?

Indeed..agitation & dullness an indication of this mechanical process of psychological time in movement. A mind burdened by fear only sees what satisfies its own personal needs to maintain psychological security/certainty-permanence. Observation is then selective-bias, therefore not observation. The mind is then only concerned with itself, not the observation of the fact.

I’m sorry you feel what was said was rude. The self depends on “help” in the form of getting more knowledge/concepts/guidance in which it uses to “correct itself”. But that same process/means in which it applies that knowledge/concepts/guidance, contributes to the very confusion/fragmentation(psychological time). This is what we are discussing on the thread, the reality of illusion. We are not accumulating and conforming to knowledge/content. We are connecting the dots in understanding the movement of thought as it is seen directly in the conditioned consciousness. Seeing/Understanding for ourselves so there may be a holistic awareness to such a illusions.

We cannot help him. That is the point. It’s up to others to see for themselves. You keep saying that.. it’s ok, you don’t have to read and post in the thread.

Maybe, maybe not. You will not understand from my posts alone, you have to look at the self/thought. Observe yourself in movement. Don’t accept or deny, investigate, or don’t. Can’t come into an investigation with pre-assumptions, pre-suppositions right? As that is looking through the lens of “i”(distortion-corruption of what-is).

How do we know when we are doing nothing, if there is no understanding and awareness of when we are doing something? The moment “we” ask “how can I”, or “how do I”, we have already invited this divisive movement of fragmentation(psychological time), as a means which then projects it’s own content ‘as’ time. Therefore more of the same divisive movement; evading the fact to the abstraction. As long as there is this division between “the i” and mind there comes the inevitable conflict, as in movement away from the fact towards the abstraction.

Pleasure/pain = attachment(dependence) on the image/abstraction of hope(psychological time). Hope which implies seeking pleasure in the contents of thought-time. A mechanical movement to always bring about a sense of psychological security-permanence to that which is actually impermanent-insecure. We don’t see that the invitation of pleasure is also invitation of pain. Always mechanically escaping despair now which is the fact, and inventing the image(hope), which is the (abstraction-content/image, “the i”, the past). There is suffering because I am resisting the fact and keep holding freedom as some ”thing”(thought), to be captured in time. The self(time), is seeking psychological in its own movement, which is thought(image-content/abstraction). The self perpetually holds freedom in the distance. “The i” seeking security in pleasure, escaping the fact of despair, resisting the fact of suffering, all being one and the same movement of fear looking to time-thought, as in psychological becoming, to end that fear. The ultimate illusion. This very movement of hope(psychological becoming), is the feeding force of that pleasure seeking/pain & despair-suffering(FEAR/FRAGMENTATION IN MOVEMENT).

@Nahm ??

Indeed

Im not directly looking for a response friend, I just felt like writing about hope. I hope, you don’t mind if I use your quote here. I think I go into the nature of hope-hopelessness may be a great contribution to the thread... Is hopeless so bad??‍♂️?? Is there sound reason, logic, rational thinking when one sees being hopeless as discouraging? Doesn’t Hope imply psychological becoming (seeking psychological security in time)? Doesn’t hope imply that “i”, (A), will, (as in volition), “BECOME” (B) in time. Psychological movement from what-is, to what should be. Isn’t this a result of fragmentation? Isn’t this the same movement of escaping the fact to the abstraction(image)? Do we see that as long as Hope holds one hostage, logic is never truly logical, reason at best is unreasonable, and rational thinking actually irrational? How rational, logical, reasonable can one be when seeking psychological security in there own movement, yet thinking that that very movement is distinct from themselves? How rational, logical, reasonable, can one be when thinking is limited by this divisive movement of fragmentation, which therefore makes way for divided, incomplete action? Here we are not looking for an answer using logic, reason, rational thinking-understanding. We are not looking to move anything out of the way, as that implies divided action-reaction by the chooser(the i that moves things).. Here we are understanding-observing the problem as movement. In the understanding-observation of movement there is no space between “the i” and “things” (thoughts), that need to be moved. As the conflict simply ends because “the i” is seen through, and that illusion ceases to manifest in, and as, time(self). Logic, rational thought, reason, only good for understanding content. We are not analyzing content, as the one who analyzes is the analyzed. If that was the case we would be looking at images through an image(conditioned lens of the i). Here we are not looking through an image(content) at images, but we are looking at movement from this to that, A TO B. It seems many people do not see the significance at looking at psychological movement. To look at movement when the word, image, content of i meets the now, and distorts the reality of what-is. Some may think that being hopeless is a bad thing, but to me hopelessness is freedom.

Who’s Jesus?

To resist what-is fortifies the illusion that there is an entity that resists in the first place. Develop a welcoming relationship with what-is. To resist that relationship with the fact is to evade any possibility of understanding this movement(mechanical compulsion). We never learn about the problem, because “we” perpetually evade it.

If there is a moment of anger isn’t that a fact that is taking place, (a reality)? Observe now, what is a fact that is taking place? Do you notice this “I am this, but I should be, or I want to be some”thing” else? If I move for what is actually happening now to an idea-abstraction of what I want instead, isn’t that resisting the reality of what-is?

It just depends on the approach. “We” are all new to life. All noobies. Personal Growth may invite time as means. And the means may project it’s end or sustain its process of time/nourishment of fear. For me freedom was instant, no up and down, no progression and then regression. As this may be the result of inviting time (psychological becoming) as a means to ending its very own movement. For me freedom wasn’t in time(future/at the end), but in the now. Or as is said, “it’s now or never”.

Psychological Movement from A TO B... This moving away from the fact to the abstraction is to stay caught in endless cycle of action/reaction(which arise as thoughts). When we move away from the fact this implies a movement of fear itself in resistance to what-is... The i that moves from sorrow(fact), to its idea of non-sorrow, is a movement of fear. This is where the division between the thought and the self is strengthened. Thought (moving towards the abstraction) brings about fear, and fear perpetuates this compulsive thought. Going from A TO B = psychological time. A movement from this to that. If there is a staying with A, time, (psychological becoming) in movement ceases. This means thought psychologically (the movement of i), has come to a hault. No thought movement in time as the i, (psychological becoming), no fear. No fear, no compulsive thought, no compulsive thought reaction, no fear. Can we for now, observe this movement of this to that, here to there, A to B? This is the movement of the i, and it is pretty much always in movement, so it just takes observation of that movement. I am this, I will be that. i am sad, I want to be happy. I am violent, I shouldn’t be violent. I am stupid, I will become smart. Such movements are all movements of fear. As long as there is movement from the fact to the abstraction there is fear. No movement as time from this to that there is no fear. And as long as there is fear this compulsion to escape to more abstraction continues. This movement of “i” is born of fragmentation, and this movement keeps this false division alive. The burden of psychological thought (enslavement-psychological evolution/progression), then keeps feeding its own movement.