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All current moment will/volition is an expression of thought “knowledge/memory” This is why thought/self/experience must Totally be understood. And then awareness of all such movement must be present. This way experience doesnt get carried over to the now and projected into the future. Which is the problem. Without knowing yourself”self knowledge” which implies an understanding of “knowledge, past experience, memory” then experience will continue, therefore a world of identification with things remains the fact.

This part needs to be ironed out. Can you explain again? No experience. Experience implies mind/thought. No-thing is not an experience. You need to be able to cease the veil of experience from rolling over into the now movement. Even the motive to want to experience is the movement of thought/the thinker. This is futile.

So, accumulation of thought “knowledge, past experience, memory” is the enemy here. There must be a cessation of the movement of thought/thinker/identification. The question then remains what can bring about this cessation.

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As long as thought is in movement there will remain identification with things. NO-THOUGHT NO-THINGS NO-EXPERIENCE NO-EXPERIENCER NOTHINGNESS

@B_Naz did you see my last posts?

The cause is the effect, and the effect is the cause. ⭕️ Memory creates experience and experience creates memory.

No-thing...so if we are identifying doesn’t that imply thought and therefore “fear, pleasure, desire, and a seeking of psychological security”?? Do you see that thought feeds off of those movements of self. And self feeds off the stream of thought?

When there is no experiencer which is the accumulation of experience “knowledge/memory” then there is no entity to identify. Do you see what that implies?? Well you wouldn’t actuality see what that implies until it became an actuality . But do you see where I’m getting at?

If experience remains dominant over the now, then thought has already identified with things. If there was no identification with things there would be no experience This is why I stress the importance of learning the nature of experience.

If one gets to a point where there is no identification, this means they have ended the veil of experience “memory/knowledge” from being carried over to the now. All experience is the result of thought “knowledge, past experiences, through memory” If we can slow/stop that movement “the old” form being carried over to the now “the new” then identification stops. This is what I refer to as headlessness/centerlessness

Do you see that as long as identification is at play, that that is a movement of thought?

Stop that

Oh yes what is in movement that’s wants to identify? could it be fear, desire, pleasure? Some of the main drivers that form the center

Thought identifies. Unless there is a cessation of thought/experience this will remain the case. We trick ourselves into saying we are more to. Do you see that? If you are getting caught in identification then the fact is that. To escape that fact to the idea that you are more is an illusion. It’s only when that fact ends that one can say they are in fact the whole. When thought determines all experiences this will remain the case. What is the question?

Everything of culture is dead. Leave the dead behind so there can be that which is new.

@Nahm ??????

Of course...Thought is a tool. As long as it’s not the boss there’s no problem. Actually when thought is put in order one can use thought more efficiently. And when one can be free of the stream of experience that allows for creativity. That sounds awesome. Very interesting indeed.

To die to every-thing. To end time/duality. Start by understanding yourself very deeply. In this total understanding of yourself is action that ends the veil of experience from preventing a dynamic experiencing. Learn about the self/thought. The whole of it. Otherwise you get caught in your own distortion. Perhaps indefinitely. Start with understanding the nature of fear, pleasure, and desire. And the nature of experience and it’s relations to thought/self. To understand the nature of time.

My original reply was meant to point out the contradiction of “Spiritual development” as it implies time/thought/an entity who acts in accordance to the idea of being separate from that which it strives to develope. A means to achieve, or attain. This all implies division/duality, as the doer and what it does. This is a contradiction to start and any movement in this direction as it implies positive action on behalf of the doer, which is illusory. Any action from this is contradictory. Again just to be clear as this can be confusing, when there is this movement of time/thought that implies the self. This is a dualistic movement in that it implies there is a doer/doing, but this is an illusion and a contradiction taking place. Evolution, growth, and expansion imply a movement of cultivation and therefore again another contradiction of progression of the doer/time. These are all movements of time “the psychological entity that seeks and strives” But this is all rooted in a false division between the i and it’s motive to self improve. An illusion securing and illusion. Does that make sense? Equanimity as in composure or self-possession? If so, this also implies a dualistic movement “contradiction or fragmentation” as does any movement of concentration, “THOUGHT”.... Any movement of self-control, self-possession, self-command, and so on are implications of this division of the controller and the controlled. This is a contradiction because they are one and the same movement. I agree, schizophrenia does imply contradiction, and fragmentation, therefore not a sign one who is holy. Not a manifestation/expression of that which is whole. Can we integrate “merge” such competing systems, implying, “strife,volition, will, which implies duality?? Where there is contradiction there must inevitably be conflict between opposing mental systems. Don’t you think? Or as you suggest here..... This would imply that all those dualistic/fragmented movements would have to totally end for there to be order and communion without opposition. At least it seems so to me. To integrate/merge such contradictory systems “time/thought would only lead to more “time”..”contradiction/fragmentation” Do you see that? Can we use time “any movement of contradiction” as a means to end time “contradiction” ??? Seems quite contradictory to me. What do you think? Why don’t we simply negate all that time implies???....It’s “competing systems, the merging of dualistic mental movement”??? It’s only then can there be any action of wholeness “truth” DO YOU SEE THE BEAUTY OF THIS?? To understand this entire movement of time “contradiction/fragmentation/mind/thought” And in this total and holistic understanding end all attempts to employ time to end time. And in that very cessation to move dualistically time ends. Therefore what is left is that which is timeless, whole, and what you are referring to as a holy man/woman... DO YOU SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE HERE FRIEND...ITS BEAUTIFUL. Do you see the beauty in what has been communicated here??? Be as it may, I greatly appreciate your interest here friend. You seem very intelligent. I think I see where you are going with this. I am following what you are suggesting. I can see this movement of thought your implying as a whole. This is the most direct approach possible to ending time. I hope you see this. I think you have the capacity to grasp the whole of this. CHECK INTO IT CAREFULY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OF COURSE??

We the “i’s”, are this stream. In understanding this stream, “ourselves”, we are free from its mechanical stranglehold. Then in that freedom the stream of consciousness can run in an orderly manner which manifests itself as virtue. It’s only in virtue that we can live in order. Without virtue there is no love. LOVE is only found when there is FREEDOM. ?? but they do not come from me. They come from us

Wouldn’t you say spritual development implies duality/fragmentation.

Doesn't schizophrenia imply fragmentation? If there is fragmentation there is only self deception, deilusion, contradiction.

I just asked if you understood what I was getting at. Thanks for reply buddy

If we are adding to others consciousness we have failed ourselves. We are then contributing to he disorder of the stream of consciousness.