Faceless

Well let’s start with this for example... If you woke up tomorrow without ‘any’ memories of the past would you know who “you” were?

Could it be perhaps an abstraction? A movement of thought.

Indeed, there must be virtue in one’s life. Virtue as in order. ??

@Nahm ? ??

When the conditioned consciousness is cleared of dualistic movement “unawareness” only then is there virtue, “order” Evil is simply a manifestation/expression of disorderly thought, a disease of sorts. Like a cancer that has its own pattern and order. But when it comes to relationship with one another and the environment, or “mutual interdependence”, this order of disorder in thought inevitably perpetuates the movement of what we call “evil action” or violent/destructive action. I think we can see this if we are free from our own accumulated prejudices, ‘THOUGHT’ This is an important issue to understand. The question is do we want to understand it together? Or do we want to continue that very disorder that causes the issue?....which takes the form of a resistance to suspend our own biases to meet one another mutually. To have a capacity to commune should be the first step.

This is why one must understand thought “knowledge, experience, memory” Until then there will be no communication. What I am referring to will not be understood. We use thought to explore all of this. If you don’t understand how thought works well ??‍♂️, that very tool you use is corrupt. Explore into thought a little bit, and then come back and we can discuss.

This is an assumption. Until all unconscious movement ceases consciousness remains conditioned.

We will not meet until there is a foundational understanding of what is being said.

This is all what I refer to by self reflection. Until you actually explore this I’m afraid you will remain in the dark. I have already attempted to discus with you about simpler topics. We will not meet until you explore more in depth. To start with, see the fact that thought is the response of memory. We can not go beyond where we haven’t yet began?

Consciousness is it’s content. Until that content ceases to manifest, consciousness is limited to such conditioned content. An idea of consciousness by conditioned thought remains the fact. Conditioned. This is well known. It’s not my invention. Find out for ourself,Explore. Dont accept or deny “defend“ which is a movement of the conditioned consciousness.

Then there will be no communication. All assumptions must be suspended to explore. This is the essence of “open mindedness”

All past conditioning must be suspended in order to communicate with one another. Start with what is nearer to the general consensus of consciousness, THOUGHT. To have an orderly discussion we must have a capacity to suspend all personal ideas of god and such. Strat with what we use to discuss such a conversation, THOUGHT. If we stay nearer to what we can all agree on “that we use thought to investigate/communicate” then perhaps we can discuss “commune” and explore the relationship between man and nature. Otherwise there is no communication at all.

Do you want a theory, conceptualization do you want to see it actually as a fact??? Conciousness with its conditioned movement/content must be understood and ended to understand that question...Until the conditioned brain ceases to operate, all explanations are influenced by that very conditioning. People are going to come into this thread and explain away this question you have, which is fine. But you will never actually see for yourself until the conditioned brain/consciousness ceases to move. First understand the movement of the conditioned brain. Being, all movement of thought/the self. All the contents of your consciousness such as beliefs, fear, desire, and all the rest of the contradicting aspects of conditioned thought/ego. To investigate the nature, structure, and substance of thought/self..In this understanding one understands the nature of experience and how experience “the accumulation of memory in response” determines all conditioned action. And if that becomes an actuality you will have your answer. Remember, we use thought to explore such questions. If thought is not running in order the investigation will be corrupted by its very own movement in contradiction. Contradiction, the conditioned brain must be understood. And in that understanding comes order. If the tool we use is corrupt, the investigation will inevitably be so. Explore the nature of thought. Knowbody can teach you this. One must self reflect. Although there are people in the past who have explored this already. Look into it.

@electroBeam Well, you are aware of this movement of fear. That’s essential to see the fact in what is happening. Fear, pleasure, desire, “thought”, is where all this self image constructing and image projecting comes from. This is a very common issue, and very is important to go into in depth. I would say instead of finding an answer to end the problem we should explore what the problem is. And in the understanding of the problem there can be an awareness that prevents those image forming movements from arising in the first place. Maybe we could create a thread and go into what is happening to cause this image formation, all of us together. As this is not an individual problem at all.

We can either accumulate knowledge by means of time which only continues as a movement of time. Or there can be a cessation of time all together. Time “any movement of self” cannot move to the timeless. Time must end. If time does not end, nothingness is a product of time, therefore is not nothingness.

Originally, experience means to go through with/to end....To not carry experience over as a projection onto the present movement experiencing. But that is not what we do. We cling to experience and project forward onto the “dynamic now” When this is the case, all present experience implies “the accumulation of the past, “knowledge/memory”, and that recollection is then projected in the form of a new experience. But that experience is not new if it is influenced by the accumulation of memory, knowledge, and past experiencings. Any movement as such is a movement of thought, no matter how much one feels thought was not in movement. If a experience is identified it is a movement of thought “the known” Any experience implies the movement of thought/the thinker. In this case the experience and experiencer are one in the same movement. When/If, the movement of experience “knowledge/memory, being static”, ceases to be carried over onto the dynamic now, “not recorded and therefore projected” then no content/movement of the self, “thinker/thought”, will be projected as an experience at all. If all that movement of self ceases to manifest, so does the experience/experiencer who experiences. Which implies there is no-body to identify with any-thing. The ultimate freedom. If there is no such dualistic movement of thought taking place then that implies whole action that is not divisive and fragmented by a center/ego/thought..... This implies that the center “the i” is not. This is what is considered “ONENESS/NON-DUAL”... In this all movement ‘without’ such dualistic action implies whole action, complete action, the action of truth. Infinite, absolute, immeasurable. WHEN THIS DUALISTIC MOVEMENT CEASES, THAT IS THE ACTION OF TRUTH ITSELF. THIS IS EMBODIMENT OF TRUTH, THE INFINITE, ABSOLUTE, THE IMMEASURABLE. BUT THERE IS NO IDENTIFICATION/EXPERIENCE OF SUCH IMMENSE ENERGY. CENTERLESSNESS IMPLIES NOTHINGNESS AND NOTHINGNESS IMPLIES THE ABSENCE OF IDENTIFICATION/EXPERIENCE THE ENDING OF TIME.

Unless there is a cessation of thought in time one is speaking of nothingness as an idea “product of thought” To read and accumulate concepts, theories, and so on is the movement of thought imitating and identifying with some-THING. And only thought identifies and imitates. As long as thought is in movement one is bound by time, and nothingness is timeless. One cannot go beyond where one hasn’t yet began. Get rid of all traditional ideas, concepts, and theories about nothingness. As any description “of thought” is never what is actually described “what is”

It’s important to understand that unless time/thought ends all talk of nothingness is a product of imagination. This has to do with my original post here about experience.

Hehe? brilliant indeed?

Everything you say further proves your inner state of being. It’s beautiful indeed. Carry on please?

You guys are expressing this all on your own. Ok, but I’ve never seen a tool defend itself so much. That’s not necessary directed towards you, it’s just a fact and characteristic of an ego seeking permanence. Its ok. I’m not attacking. I like to observe people and there reactions/responses. It’s interesting.

Such opinions are an indication of fear. Expressions of the contradictory mind. Reflections of inward hypocrisy. Watch out for that fear, it will get ya?

@Etagnwo what method? Watch out for that duality, it will get ya.

@Etagnwo ok