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These are just conversations buddy. It’s ok, just breath. Everything is going to be ok. K

@Solace All what I share can be seen first hand in ones self. It has nothing to do with concepts,theory’s, and so on. This is all within self reflection and inquiry into the nature of thought/self. Very simple. It’s all right there for us to look at. Only we are attatched to our conditioning.

Did you not understand my original post Do you see that?

Experience, thought, all the same. Truth has nothing to do with experience

Belief arises when that is not understood. That belief and the believer are one and the same movement. Just as fear and belief are one and the same movement.

The you who it happens to is the happening itself. One and the same movement. The experiencer and the experience are one and the same movement. This is not a belief. It is a fact. When one goes into the nature of thought that is quite obvious

Process of identification Perception contact sensation then thought comes and identifies with all of that as an experience as the experiencer.Then desire is born. Then desire pursues to re-experience that again and we have pleasure.

Thought yes thought is where identification arises. What about it?

Hello cirkussmile.. What movement are you referring to?

Belief implies choice/the chooser. All this is a movement of thought that sees itself as separate from that which it thinks about. Thought splits things up. And then forgets it has done that. Then we get our dualistic (fragmented) action If this is so awarness is not.

Right im referring to duality in the sense as seeking psychological security as an independent entity. A movement that is followed by action that is influenced by belief. As in to act in accordance to the notion as being a separate entity in which that entity seeks security. An illusion seeking security in an illusion. Contradiction. In this case, “the i” is a movement of fear, being impermanent, and seeking permanence. All this implies that our action is influenced by the idea that the doer is separate from the doing.

Sight and hearing come first then there is contact, sensation, then thought comes in and there is identification/desire. How is that not different? Belief comes from the movement of thought.

I would investigate what is the nature of belief. If you want to get into that my friend. Watch belief move in yourself. This will make sense if you do that. You will see that psychologically belief has absolutely no place what so ever. As that implies a movement away from fear. The self/thought seeks security in belief to self sustain its own continuity. An illusion seeking security in an illusion. Contradiction

So the conditioned mind is the self. Cause and effect being one and the same movement as the self. If we see this is an illusion, why do we continue to move dualistically??

You can belive if you want. But belief implies duality and duality implies contradiction and conflict. Its up to you.

I’m not taking anything personal my man. There is no real communication here. So it’s a not worth going on with you.

No need for the back and forth. You know. Let’s just let it be. Right?

Yes ok Joseph. You can go back to your journal now

The chooser (the self) is the root of all belief. I have not one single belief. Belief is an escape from fear. And it is nice to talk with you buddy

Joseph we are done. You are not even close to getting whats being said. There is no point in us going any further. You are not interested in communication.

I don’t know what Leo says personally but... Causation. This is a movement of time. This is how thought/time moves... The cause “thoughts” is the effect “thought” and the effect is the cause. One and the same movement. ⭕️ The self is a self perpetuating movement of time.

Beliefs are illusions yet facts. As they are actually processes taking place. Belief is an illusion by also a fact.

Yes you said that. Maybe you should investigate what I am talking about. You are blinded by your own bias friend. You haven’t even investigated what I am saying.

Joseph you are caught in your own jive. You will see soon enough, maybe.

I have no beliefs Everything I talk about can be seen within oneself. Only if that content of experience, knowledge, and memory is not looking at what is in oneself. If we look according to the content (self) we can not see what is. If you guys do not understand that the cause is the effect and the effect is the cause then you are not aware of yourself.