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robdl was aware of this before meeting me. We share this understanding of thought. We learn from one another. He has a great understanding of thought-self.

Yes @Charlotte What robdl says is of great importance. Don’t concern yourself with concepts in the form of explanations. All of this will become clear with your own self understanding and self awareness. Just understand thought-self, and you will come that naturally.

Where there is this compulsion and movement to measure, in that is a direct expression of an inward lack of freedom. Measure is a manifestation of fear. Where there is measure there is fear, and where there is fear, freedom is not. When there is no freedom, there can be no complete action. Action that is infinite/whole.

I’m speaking on behalf of the movement of thought/self.

Interesting. I don’t dream anymore and I don’t remeber that well any past dreams. When the movement of thought ceases to manifest in daily life, there is no dreaming when asleep. It’s quite nice. Thanks for the reply buddy.

As long as all that is in movement there is no ultimate freedom. When all that ends, only then I would say we are in touch with.... All movement of thought/time, must end for that which is beyond thought to manifest in and as action. I think it would be much easier to explain this if your were empty of all past experience, knowledge, memory, psychologically that is. But like you said, there may be a miscommunication sill preventing communion between one another. That is the problem when we interpret what one another is saying according to past accumulation/content/and movement of the self. The content and the movement of self are one and the same. So communication can at times be tricky indeed.

My main point is only thought/self desires to grow/anticipates. You see what I mean?

Cultivation of growth is a necessity to some in practical/functional area of life, but my point is in the psychological field it has no place. When all that condition movement of the self seeking psychological security ends, only then does the “spiritual timeless” come into being. You see my point here?

Indeed... What are you attempting to grow? I understand, but how do you know that this is so? What are indicators when thought is in movement determining/influencing incomplete action? How does one know that thought has not attributed to itself an independent existence that it is indeed separate from thought? Have you gone into this? I find it rather useful indeed. This is what my main concern is her on the forum. The discussion of time is as far as I will go in communication with another. That which is timeless comes in that understanding.

And seeing that the seeker and that which it seeks is a dream, why does one constantly move to evade fear? Could it be that “the dreamer” is still unaware that the dreamer and fear are one and the same movement of hope, a movement seeking security in time.

@Nahm But Is freedom at the end, or the beginning?

Well keep dreaming dodo ?

As long as there is compulsion for spiritual enlightenment/spiritual growth, ones perception will remain narrow and within the limited field of the conditioned consciousness. Perception is then limited to that very conditioned movement of time. @MarkusSwedenPerhaps rid yourself of the falsity and burden of spiritual/psychological growth, it implies time, and time makes for finite observation.

Precisely...well said.

And why does one continue to seek if they see that there is no seeker? Could it be that the very seeking sustains the continuity of the seeker? Psychological preservation.. And if that is so, we can say that the seeker is still caught in the illusion that the seeker is different from that which it seeks? This movement of progression speaks for itself. One is still acting in accordance to fragmentation, TIME. Fear seeking security in thought/time, which is one and the same movement of and as the self.

There must be freedom from all psychological authority, even your own,(experience, knowledge, memory, TIME)

That’s right.... In that holistic understanding comes complete action. To see that falsity and negate all movement that implies time. Then a whole other pattern of order emerges. Its beautiful indeed.

And that holistic insight is the ending of all the implications of time. One must see the futility in time using time as means to end time. This is the attempt to use thought to solve psychological problems. But thought creates those psychological problems. Thought, which is time has no place within the psychological realm. That which is timeless cannot be cultivated. Cultivation implies time.

Lolol very very sneaky indeed.

You got it.

This is so. Only this takes a holistic insight free of the fragmented movement of time. This will not be seen until the whole of time is perceived. Gradual process implies thought seeking to attain spiritual growth. Which is the very reason one remains bound by time.

That’s correct. The more we explore all the different ways in which thought inter-relates and inter-depends, the more holistic the understanding. And the greater attention/awareness to that very complex movement as it takes place in ourselves.

Well explained. This is is what I have been meaning by thought has no place psychologically what so ever. Thought started out as a means to respond to environmental problems (as a function)..But that same movement of thought is now being applied psychologically. Thought is nourishing and perpetuating the illusion of the i, and the i is perpetuating and nourishing the movement of thought. The cause is the effect and the effect is the cause. Or mutual dependence

Oh Lololol "I, (?) bow to the divine in you". thats what namaste means right? ? ??

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