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As long as our action is influenced by this false notion as “the i” being different from the content-emotion, then we will continue to evade the fact of that content-emotion. The evasion is the reaction to the fact, (fear). @moon777light To keep it simple, do you see that the formulation of the image is responsible for this conflict-pain & suffering?

Seeing-understanding the truth of this fact is action in of itself. If you see it as dangerous you stay away, right?

To create an image is a movement of fear trying to escape itself. When fear motivates and influences action, then there will be NO relationship, communion, harmony with yourself, others, or the environment.

Glad it caught some attention. Don’t destroy or accept the image, but see that the image is the cause of all psychological suffering. Maybe not immediately, but further down the road the consequences are inevitable.

I have.?? Haven’t read any books. Just few videos. The message is precise indeed.

I have been doing similar techniques for a long time now. volume, volume, volume!!!

Indeed!! The abstraction is a distraction from the fact. Abstraction ultimately prevents freedom, and perpetuates division, conflict, and suffering. All three being one and the same movement of fear-thought.

To cultivate or not to cultivate, that is the question. A question I would ask is why must we give ourselves a value system psychologically? Values system being a self imposed concept-image. The product of our own limited and bias interpretation. Then we project that on top of the fact, (fear, insecurity). So ultimately we are covering up fear with an image that is the result-reaction of that fear. I think this only perpetuates fear, as to escape fear is the very movement that nourishes fear. Why do we need to improve self esteem? Wouldn’t it be healthier to end this attempt to cultivate a positive self image out of its opposite, a negative self image? Can we end this movement to cultivate any type of self image about ourselves or others? Is self esteem,(self image), a construction that can ultimately be destroyed. If so, why invent it if we do not need to? Why create that opportunity in the first place? Is this movement to invent an image of ourslves going to breed inevitable conflict with ourselves and others? Is it possible that ‘our’ idea of a positive self image will fail to be congruent with another persons idea of a positive self image we have invited? Seems reasonable that if this is the case, then in relationship we will never meet one another on the same level. Your idea of me will conflict with my idea of me, and we will not be able to maintain a genuine and healthy relationship. There will always be a sense of confusion and a contradiction in communication. At least this seems so to me. Do we seek permanence by seeking security in a self image to escape that feeling of impermanence? Can a self image capture and maintain a sense of permanence? Or is the nature of the self image, (self esteem), impermanent and a breeding ground for insecurity, conflict, and psychological suffering? Interesting isn’t it? I found this thread particularly interesting indeed

@Saumaya ??

The veil that blankets BE-ING Are we aware that “the i” is a veil of conceptualizations, or the accumulated(experience, knowledge, memory), that responds to the now with that content-movement of the past?? That being one and the same movement as “the i”, or “the knower-known”, that seeks security in time, which prevents actual timeless be-ing. All this being a movement of fear with the agenda of self preservation. To evade the fact to the abstraction in order to capture and maintain a sense of psychological security-psychological permanence. Do we see that as long as there is this neurotic compulsion to adhere, and project, that which has been accumulated through the movement of thought, (experience, knowledge, memory), that in so doing, we are preventing actual present moment be-ing?? Do we see that we meet the dynamic happening of “the now”, with that accumulation of the past,(thought as the i)?? The alive and dynamic action of be-ing, is then blanketed with all that movement of the i, (memory), which projects itself in place of “what is” in accordance to its own static content of what should be. In this movement of time as the i, there is then an interpretation of that static content, which influences the projection, which then follows an action in accordance to that projected image. Again, that action is the response of an interpreted-projection, which is the response of memory, registering, recollecting from the past-thought. We then apply that finite veil of experience to meet the challenge of the infinite -active dynamic now. In the actual “action of be-ing”, there is no choosing between the opposites. Actual be-ing implies the absence of choice as the chooser, who chooses between two opposing concepts, or any content-movement from the past whatsoever...Choosing, or deciding between, is one and the same movement as the past that acts according to the false notion, that ‘the chooser’ is different from that which it chooses. This is an example of the dualistic nature of thinking, when “the thinker”, thinks, it is separate from that which it thinks. Even, “present movement be-ing”, can be the product of conceptualization if this accumulated movement-contents, as the i, which is the past, meets the present active and elusive now. In that, the active happening of now is then deduced by the deadness of the past, (memory), and (thought as the i), then becomes projected again as a future barrier to “the be-ingness of now” Here I have utilized thought, (a conceptual expression), that points to a fact that is common to the conditioned consciousness of human kind. Pointing to the actuality that the psychological accumulation of “the i” distorts, and makes for this (deduction), that diminishes the beauty, joy, and creativity of the dynamic, aliveness, of now. When we can observe without the observer, which is void of (experience, knowledge, memory), or time as the i, only then is there a timeless dynamic/stillness of be-ing. This is what I have been exploring over the last four months or so. How to explain this “ending of experience”, more efficiently....What it boils down to is the ending of experience in and of itself. Freedom to me, implies the absence of experience, or(measure), acting as a veil to that which is immeasurable. Experience has its place in practical affairs, but psychologically it has none. When all psychological experience as the i ceases to be carried over onto the living movement of now, only then that which is mysterious, (THE SACRED), is actualized. This is what I would refer to as BE-ING, or consciousness empty of its conditioned movement-content of time as the i. Or what I refer to as headlessness. As I have said before, to me, this is the most creative movement that can take place. This movement is not found within the realm of time. Nor is this the invention of thought, but an actualized emptiness void of the conditioned nature of thought, consciousness empty of its contents-movement so that there can be communion with WHAT IS.

Haha ? cute. i know a lot of people who have had countless lsd experiences. They are still bound by time. Ending that movement of time goes way beyond one or even multiple experiences. Experiences are all fine and dandy, but miss the mark when it comes to the ending of fear. I mean experiences have there place, and I’m not opposed to people exploring, but the ending of experience, which implies an end to seeking mere experiences ultimately determines the ending of psychological time. Then maybe that veil that I mentioned will be thrown away and one can observe what is afresh. I’m not sure we as humans see the significance of this.

For me the ending of psychological time came with seeing how silly seeking psychological security in thought-time was. I saw that seeking security in something impermanent would only create further insecurity. In seeing the truth of that fact was the ending of this seeking psychological security in time. I, (fear), saw how evading fear was only perpetuating fear. This came about without any form of knowledge at all. It came in a flash. I had been evading fear so long, that I all of a sudden saw the pattern was self feeding. That to me is perhaps the most important thing to understand first. With that there is less attempt to distort or corrupt any type of investigation into he self-thought. One can go about it all when there is a capacity to suspended ones own bias-prejudice. Which ultimately makes for less compulsion to evade a problem by seeking any ok answer as escape. It helps to stay with a problem and learn about it. Also eliminates all this motive-volition which fuels the veil of (experience, knowledge, memory), in which we then cling too.

Once that understanding-seeing is observed holistically, in that seeing is action in of itself. Action not influenced by the partial, limited, insight of thought.

This helps to connect the dots for a holistic understanding of thought-self,(time), as all one unitary movement. Which is why we go into how fear, pleasure, desire, seeking psychologically, and as @robdl says memory, experience, and so on, are actually one unitary movement of time-thought as the i.

Good heads up freedom to question is important.

Well said

That’s ultimately what we try and do. Connecting the dots type of sharing.

Exactly.

Nice question. Ill make as simple as I can buddy. Conditioned movement of thought-self, which is both dynamic-always changing in process, yet static in content, cannot capture whole insight indeed. We cannot respond with that (dead static content), the past, to meet the dynamic wholeness of what is the case now. Also whole insight is not ‘found’ per say. Insight is not the result of cultivation of thought-volition, which is ultimately a reactionary response of fear-time,(psychological becoming). Insight comes in a flash when the mind-time ceases to move as the i,(experience, knowledge, memory). Howsver, to start with an understanding of what thought can operate on, which is the known, as that is time based, can be understood with thought. To understand the nature of pleasure, desire, fear, and so on, the movement of time. But to seek that which is timeless cannot be contained by the mechanism of thought, as the self-time. In regards to “time”, all we can do is understand what we can know, which is what is actually the case or the fact. Taking place within oneself, or can be observed. Well I wouldn’t say insight is opposite to the nature of mind, but I see what you mean. The mind would create that distinction. Yes the mind-thought being finite-limited-partial cannot grasp the whole, Indeed. Well if fear is continuing to influence action is that so? Lol, well when I speak of all this it is a “we” type of deal. What I am saying is if fear-time is the fact, then that is the case. For time to say I am timeless is a movement of thought-time itself. It’s an assumption for one to say, in accordance to knowledge(thought), that they are empty of fear-time, when they are in fact bound by fear-time. When we discuss this we are talking about us. There is no me and them distinction. Another invention of thought-duality. Does that clear it up at all, friend?

Ultimately freedom without the burden of the i, (time), or (experience, knowledge, memory), allows for a seeing that is holistic. In that seeing, which is allows for passive attention, all contradiction-conflict comes to an end in and of itself.

Don’t accept or deny knowledge, as the entity that accepts or denies, is in itself a movement of (experience, knowledge, memory), as the i, (time).

Tricky division ?

This is not about abandoning anything my dear friend. Simply understanding the entire movement of thought. To see how it all as one unitary movement. And I wouldn’t say I have accumulated that much knowledge either. Merely watched some videos on thought that Krishnamurti has made. Could count those videos with use of two hands. For me personally, fear,(the i) ended long before I came across Krishnamurtis excellent sharings. I see his communication technique as efficient.

@Nahm?? @who chit??

Question regarding mastering and controlling emotions One important thing to be aware of... Mastering and controlling emotions, is one and the same movement of fear, which nourishes that very movement of reaction-action, (emotions). Controlling emotions breeds emotions. Self feeding loop of fear in reaction to itself.