Faceless

Lol .. Joker acted on behalf of a movement from the center. He was still caught in subjectivity. Caught within the realm of thought. A slave to Reality. His actions were a reaction to the content that was stored up in his mind “thought/consciousness” There was an obvious limitation due to fragmentation of thought. Pain, sorrow, suffering being implications of an individualized alienated conciousness that felt seperate and estranged from others. It seems obvious that the joker did not know that consciousness/thought is not yours or mine. There is just thought/consciousness. This would be my observation into it

Any attempt to capture absolute truth would be a projection within the field of reality. Truth in its deepest sense can not be an object of knowledge/thought. Any attempt by the center which is limited/fragmented can never see the whole. Truth is when the center is not. It is possible to see forms of truth within the field of reality. To see and understand the limitations of the center/thought/ the me. The capacity to see that absolute truth cannot be captured by the center is a truth that is working within the field of reality “thought” In total perception of the substance of thought various truths can be observed. To understand the nature of thought is to see its limitation. An ability to see what is false becomes a truth in its self. This would be easier to see if we didn’t blind ourselves with various philosophy’s and so on. Just start with clarity and go from there. Don’t fill your mind with that which is distorted by thought/knowledge. Be your own light ?

Which truth do you mean? The limitless, or the whole?

Neither accept or deny, just watch the whole movment objectivly, and choicelessly.

If this is fully grasped the answer to your questions reveals itself

Analysis/paralysis...The Observer is the observed

Low self esteem can be eradicated in seconds If anyone sees with there whole being the nature of the self image “ego” this alone should be enough to let go of such negative/positive beliefs about oneslf. If this is fully grasped, not as an idea but so strong that it’s a fact then observation through subjectivity becomes identifiable and is properly realized after direct perception is distorted by thought. From what I experience is that this process seems to be changing in that the distortion of thought is avoided all together. It becomes more natural and I catch this distortion before it occurs . I don’t even notice that it happens sometimes. For a while there was no sense of me whatsoever and it was rather nice. But there are reasons why I have to have one foot in the subjective realm and the other in the objective realm. As much as I love living without the center I feel balance is necessary. Although I do spend more time in the timeless state and know the me is just a big act.

Oh I must have missed it .. I usually don’t read about or watch vids on consciousness.

@Nahm ...what video?

I mean we don’t “know” otherwise do we?

If consciousness which is thought is a material process doesn’t it take place in the brain?

@Mahmoud Bishr Kebbeh ....Be alone is right We have to be a light to ourselves ??

Scientific dogmas like religious dogmas are similar in that an idividual tends to develop a vested interst in a presupposition, premis, or belief. Part of the reason why thought tends to be limited is the non awareness of this bias position that is held in a theory, concept, and idea. There is a need to self sustain and validate onesself in order to maintain a sense of security and so on. Thought without perception of this actuality in movement will inevitably deceive itself in what it stands by as fact. Now it’s seems rather obvious that the dogmas of science are much more subtle than those of organized religion. Organized religion has no sense of subtlety. Never the less the dogmas of scientific theory were born in the death of the dogmas of organized religion. Same pattern different convictions. I don’t know much of these scientific characters listed above but anyone who sees the actuality of the process of the self would tend to be less dogmatic. At least I would think so.

A great scientist needs to see and understand the nature and structure of thought itself. Which means they are also aware of there conditioning and the various dispositions that they hold. Conciousness should be understood when it comes to having a solid foundation for a scientist to keep a line of rationality going without any kind of distortion to what is being observed. A good scientist not only needs to have great capacity to accumulate various forms of knowledge, but also needs to understand the substance and limits of knowledge/thought. Science is important for the obvious reasons and thought has it’s place. In this art/form of discipline, objective observation can be applied with great care. However thought not applied with care is very dangerous and creates such insecurity in the world. Both in our views and dispositions of our place in the universe which effect relationships with one another “division”, but also the obvious technological advancements that can wipe the planet out. If we are going to use thought to our advantage we should know it’s limits.

A capacity to see beyond ones conditioning.

This is something that one can see by inquiry into thought which is knowledge. Its obvious to anyone who understands the limitations of themselves.

As long as scientists know that knowledge is limited there is no problem. Knowledge is always partial, limited, and can only capture a fragment of the whole. It’s the narrowing down from the whole and the process of classification. The whole can not be captured by that which is a part. This is a fact that few great scientist understand.

To seek happiness is conflict. To avoid sorrow is conflict. So what’s left? To accept that there are times of sadness and there are times of happiness Use this pain u have to energize your inquiry into why you are having these thoughts, fellings, and conclusions about yourself. Learn about who and what u are. This learning never ends ??

It’s also nice to be able to communicate with those who are interested in more than the daily grind. To share about this common trait of thought. From those who are on a path and those who seek the pathless.

yeah lol... I’m sorry but pine cone shaped gland never enters into the realm of what is. If You lived in the realm of what is you wouldn’t have this desire to lucid dream or what ever this jive is. One who doesn’t take a fact “what is” and then project it into an abstraction of what should be in accordance to there pleasures, desires, and so on, lives in the realm of what is actual.

Sounds romanticized

Pineal gland lol

I don’t know what to tell you friend.. It’s simple though. If your mind is quiet “orderly” all day that orderly mind carries on when your sleep. Order can not come about by control or suppression. Dream teacher lol Why do your want to control your dreams anyway. What is lacking in your daily life that drives you to fantasize in the dreaming state? I personally enjoy not dreaming. Anyhow pleasant dreams

If u haven’t experienced this non dreaming state than I would guess your mind is not quiet. Idk lol I don’t assume this is so, I live it. It’s actually happening

Relationship is only when there is no image of yourself and the other. Love would imply the same And I don’t know anyone in my daily life that see that fact so I guess the people I see daily do not love. Maybe someone else on this site knows this though. One who has the capacity to stand alone psychologically/spiritually is one who knows relationship and love