Faceless

I agree 1000%

Not developing, holistic understanding. The funny thing is it only takes as long as fear continues to influence observation. This was fairly simply to me. But I ended this psychological pursuit first, then the holistic understanding and awareness followed and was simple. To me it’s not work, but it does take all ones energy. To me this is all an art. I never came into this with a goal. That implies fear, attachment, reaction. Do what you want my friend, but I have no doubt you will see what I mean. You have to find out for yourself. I wish you the best as well.

Dependence leads to fear. That’s the point. You will see. Freedom first friend. It’s a great idea be free to discuss this with others as well. It’s great that you are willing to talk to others. Again good luck

You don’t do anything, that’s the beauty of it my friend. It will come together. ??

Indeed. From what I have seen many are led around by fear, and are unaware of that fact. Fear will manifest itself as other then fear,(disguise itself). Fear is extremely sneaky, cunning, and elusive

Good luck friend.

Indeed. Divisive action feeding its very function and role of maintaining the illusion.

Fear will always nudge one to go beyond where one has not yet begun.

Indeed, Fear in motion. positive & negative movement of self, time-abstraction-distraction, all one and the same movement of fear is in movement away from itself. Self feeding by moving in either direction. Fear being the underlying motive in all movement and action. In this implies this false division is still influencing action. If this is the case, confusion and the continuation of fear and then action (incomplete or fragmented action), is inevitable.

Maybe, maybe not, but can we use this entire experience to learn from what has actually happened? Can we see that fear is in movement and the driving force of all of this confusion?

I can’t speak for @who chit...we have not really communicated much. I am, an always have been totally alone. I am not into propaganda spreading at all. I still do not understand what your confusions are my friend.

This is why I stress going into psychological time, and the nature of thought so much. It seems to be the last thing people want to do though.

Thought-self is vary cunning. It will lead one in circles. Its very function-role depends on that.

That’s the point my friend. Not “to trust” or “not trust” but see for ourselves. We have to be free without fear to listen, and there has to be a freedom without psychological dependence to not accept or deny a particular communication. If there is no freedom to not pursue a certain direction, there is no freedom to explore for yourself.

@Feel Good @who chit We are all on this together. We are responsible for what happens from here on out. Let’s be responsible, friends. What do you say?

Can we detect what the root of all this confusion and conflict is coming from? Is it fear perhaps. How is fear distorting understanding and communication? Until we are aware of this movement, either understanding or communication is impossible. This is what I had suggested to @Jack River from the very beginning. And he saw the significance in that. He started there, and he sees how that must be put in order first. Do we see the importance in this, that is the question.

I have said it before, time has no place in this. Morbid or introspection ? Where do you get this assumption from?

For me all trust in others had ceased. As this trust is a psychological dependence. Psychological time. What exactly is there confusion about. Maybe going into this would be wise. What do you think?

I understand my friend, confusion is one and the same movement of fear and anger. What ever you are feeling right now, is common in the stream of consciousness. Take a second, let this fear-anger subside, and we can go into this with a clear thinking. Its ok, you are not a fool, and you were not made a fool of. You were doing just fine. Maybe Jumped the gun, a little. So what. We are all in this together my friend.

I’m sorry my friend, I haven’t been able to keep on the forum and watch your every post. Watch this trust, it can lead people astray.

May suggest learning form this experience in relationship. Relationships shows us the fact always. Can you observer fear that causes this confusion? Learn from that. Traps are always an indication that fear has gone undetected my friend. It’s ok, this is how we learn its subtle forms, and are able to maintain a holistic choicless awareness.

I was not aware that you were delusional. I just saw you as genuinely interested. I have been very careful with what I say and don’t say. I don’t speak about pursing “enlightenment”, and I don’t promote dependence. To me you were doing fine. But most go beyond where they have not yet begun. This is why I stress going ito fear and thought first. Like I have done with @Jack River

Which is what I mean by this that I posted before.... “This thread is us. IT’S NOT OUR MESSAGE TO US, BUT THE MESSAGE IS US. The thread mirrors, or is (reflecting back), the stream of consciousness, as (THE SELF-THOUGHT). “

I’m just saying that psychological dependence is a movement of fear my friend. Stating that clear on the forum for others. When you read what we write you notice that we are just mirroring the inward movement of self thought. To see the movement of the conditioned consciousness. You see what I mean? Its not a teaching as in, accumulating new ideas, concepts, and so on, but a mirror to what can be seen in and as the self

I agree. Personal development is a building upon fear, or utilization of fear to attain certain goals. But when it comes down to it, as long as fear is in movement so will be incomplete action(contradiction, confusion, conflict) perhaps further down the road. I agree. To me being g on this “psychological growth or personal development path” there will always be a block to wholeness.