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@Shanmugam ah yes now I remeber you had said India in one of your posts. ??

@Joseph Maynor ill try and get back to you if you have a reply to that. Family limits my time To spend on this forum. But I try lol

@Joseph Maynor Yes I see your question and this is an important point that needs to be investigated into friend. I think I see what you mean, and why one would think this. I’m not sure if you have come to a conclusion already, but maybe we could slowly and carefully explore together. Here are some questions in which I see as important. What do you think friend? 1# Isn’t this contrasting you speak of binary? 2# Isn’t a “conception” in of its self binary? 3# Is not the movement of thought by the thinker binary? 4# Doesn’t the “i” a conception, give continuity to a conception that is in contrast with another conception, and is that one main factor in this binary movement? 5# Is not the movement of thought and the thinker binary in nature? 6# And isn’t something with binary structure dependent in the opposition to something else? 7# Is this not a misinterpretation that a supposed “contrasted conception” is actually an insight or perception “something seen actual, something seen as fact, as a perception? A movement of itself free from what has been given continuity by the center “thought” memory/knowledge/experience And in seeing this fact “insight”, thought, that pattern which is binary becomes less so or totally free from binary structure. So that this pattern of thought would fundamentally change and become more orderly. Orderly in the sense not influenced by measure “psychological time” on behalf of the center. For thought to have a capacity to not be influenced by personal, subjective bias. Or the freedom from the compulsion to be psychologically secure. 8# And does this binary pattern of thought have something to do with the mechanical nature of fragmentation? This is how I approach this. What do you think?

@Shanmugam right.. I think I got you. We seem to be meeting one another on this. These challenges watched carefully don’t effect you psychologically speaking. Because you see that the “you” the center created the image that there is a problem. These problems are caused by thinking according to the thinker who is the the result of measure “thought” I appreciate you reply friend. And it’s nice to see someone else that has shared this sense of freedom.

Just stay with these feelings. Don’t escape them, let them run there course. Just observe. You will be ok if you simply watch. These feelings and thoughts are facts as in they are actualy happening . Try not to escape to the abstraction of what should be, or what you want to happen. This will only create further illusion, deception, conflict. Stay with what is your not alone friend

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What are we trying to deconstruct?

@Salcedoop ah yes. Order in relationship. Relationship with ourselves and with others. I never really heard much about “self acrualization before this forum. But I think it’s similar to the way I prefer to live. Self knowing which means seeing and understanding in the nature of thought. And freedom from thought “the self” to make for healthier relations with myself and one another. Thanks for sharing friend. Nice to talk with you??

@Shanmugam you speak of your home land often. Where do you live friend?

@Shanmugam yeah.. the seperate self that thought has created dies. As in the content of this seperate self and all it’s implications is negated. One sees that thought gave continuity to this seperate self and in that seeing without acceptance or resistance that seperate self becomes quiet.

@Salcedoop i see...what exactly does self actualization imply to you?

@Shanmugam I understand you my friend. Could you explain what you mean by the embodiment and integration (which takes time) part. I think I’m meeting you on this but this part needs to be clear first. I simply question whether time is necessary.

We can only experience somthing that we know. Somthing we have learned in the past through memory/experience/knowledge, which is thought. This is a simple observation that comes with thought inquiry. Of course this should be seen personally

It’s not an attack on anyone personally. Just an observation that one comes in thought inquiry

@Shanmugam yeah I totally agree with that

@Shanmugam That seems very reasonable friend

@How to be wise I’m not much of an experience seeker. I wish you the best friend ??

If enlightenment is experiential than this would imply that it is a movement of binary thought or measure? Is not that “enlightened” state freedom form measure?

Lol is this somthing to debate or is it obvious. Thinking implies to measure

Isn't thought binary in nature?

??Lol “enlightenment” or what this word points to is simply freedom from the known “the center” The self ”center” can not be enlightened. This is state of negation to the content of ones conciousness. The me and everything the me “thought” has put together Freedom from personal and collective conciousness quiets the brains conditioned patterns and makes room for a capacity for intelligence/insight. Through this insight all content of the self begins to fade, and through this perception is the ending of the me and all its implications, then there is freedom from the center. To be “enlightened” is to be free of the desire of experience all together. Atleast this seems to be the case ??‍♂️ Lol

If a movment of thought is moving now, is there a now?

It’s important to be able to distinguish between abstractions and facts. And also to know when oneself is being influenced by subjectivity. To see in ourselves when there is an emotional attatchment or when we are taking shelter in a bias which brings a sense of security. Never accetpt anything. Investigate objectively, then maybe one can discover what is correct or incorrect. Usualy that which is true is simple and clear anyway.

We can always learn from one another. We can learn from what is correct and what is incorrect. One can learn a lot from that which is false. ??‍♂️