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Most People don’t want to investigate. They think an explanation will bring about insight. Insight being not of thought can only be communicated through thought. So for example if I make a statement that points to insight this insight is communicated through thought and not the insight itself. It is up to the other person to investigate what is said so that they can come to there own insight. I only give little pieces that are meant to invoke interest. One reason I do this is the majority of people are not ready to even listen. So I will put somthing out and wait for a response to see how interested and sincere they are. If I see they are very passionate to find out I will put more effort out in the communication. I feel it’s very important that one is able to listen attentively but also that one is willing to do the majorty of investigation themselves, as far as personal inquiry. And this is the most extraordinary thing to see for oneself anyway. But it’s also very important to investigate with another. This sharing implies the communication of that which is totally sacred.

Lol ..Because where there is deception there is disorder and therefore conflict. Unless you like disorder and conflict of course ?

@Arman Self love ? Or just love ?

Lol Yeah that’s the problem with words and meanings. Have to be clear on what we are using them for.

My mind is a bastard lol , hey let go of your ego ?

@Source_Mystic what do u think?

Or isn’t the field of reality is conditioned?

@Nahm good call the self “thought” ??

@Joseph Maynor or Truth is not determined by observation through subjectivity right ? Truth is only when thought doesn’t implement its own content or movement right? Are you using objective reality for that which I refer to as truth?

@Joseph Maynor yeah.. I see anything that thought creates as being reality. Belief, illusion, the me and so on are part of that field of reality. Reality is observation and projection through the whole field of “thought” conciousness. Truth is of itself. Not of thought. Make sense?

Argumentation in of itself is one of the products of the neurotic, illusory, and deceptive nature of reality. If the totality of reality isn’t grasped then argumentation about one opinion vs another is inevitable. It seems that the meaning of reality might not be agreed upon mutually amongst one another. What is reality? I will make it a topic.

Don’t think or assume you know what they are thinking.

Lol

Nah.. we should learn how not to kill the ones that already exists lol

@Leo Gura lol The question still remains if there are conditions is there actualy a relationship at all? Lets see what some others have to say before we get into that?

@Shiva @Leo Gura@Serotoninluv I’ve said it before I don’t recommend the usage of psychedelics but I’m not a hater to who does want to. We have to acknowledge that the desire to kill our ego with the assistance of an outside agency such as psychedelics, invites the mechanical movement of pleasure. That pleasure invites further desire to fulfill and recapture the gratification from the original experience. And even if there is an “ego death” after one trip, wouldn’t this imply that one wouldn’t have to use psychedelics again? If there is an ego death then why are we still trying to kill “it”? It’s only obvious that chasing an old experience implies that this “ego death” has been mistaken for an insight and experience of the limitless, that which is beyond thought or the self, and that which is still within the limited field of thought. If there is an ego attempting to recapture or fulfill a pleasure through ambition, gratification, or desire, wouldn’t this imply that the self had not died. You see where I’m getting at? If there is still a movement of a mechanical pattern taking place then this “death” never actually took place. Because thought is mechanical and that which is mechanical is always limited. If this pattern continues then this is an indication that the self “thought” is still giving continuity to the significance of that experience as being beyond that which is thought and beyond the ego. Hints..this is why I commented “I’m sure it’s very pleasurable” lol because pleasure is mechanical in nature, and that which is mechanical is limited, and bound by thought. If one is still chasing experiences then this also shows that the center has not ceased. Until this center ceases beauty, creativity, compassion, relationship, and love is not. A center-less state is a state where the experiencer is not. And only this state is that which is beyond the field of thought. And If there is no experiencer than there’s no need to chase an experience right? If one wants to chase experiences be my guest, but please investigate more into this before you promote the use of psychedelics to others. The ultimate state of mind is the state where the center is not. This state is not dependent on outside agencies or limited to once every now and then. This state is a daily ongoing movement of beauty. To be headless is freedom from the self. I hope one sees the significance of what is said here and avoids this obvious trap altogether. If a simple dude like me can do it anyone can. It’s all about freedom from experience and not about fulfilling a desire for an experience friends Don’t take my word for it. Please consider what is said and investigate objectively before replying. Otherwise what’s the use in communication. I only want to share this beauty of living with another??

@Shiva Total attention implies that the i is not. If this doesn’t make sense investigate.??

@Shiva yeah I understand there’s degrees of attention

@Leo Gura Maybe, I’m sure it’s quite pleasurable. Thankyou friend

But It seems quite clear, when there is an experiencer measure inevitable.

@Leo Gura Altough I don’t personal permote psychedelics I think I can see why one would get such an experience. That space between the self and everything might seem to cease, therefore having an experience of oneness, but I can’t say for sure what those drugs do..Never the less I’m not an experience seeker. To me the true beauty of living is only “captured” when there is no experience at all. To me when I am not beauty is. I’m not sure about psychedelics, but a headless state seems to come quite easily without. But I appreciate your reply Leo ??

How does one know if consciousness is raised? This kinda sounds like a form of measure is being applied psychologically. And how is “consciousness raised” when measure is not watched deliberately? Be careful with that measure man.. it’ll get ya ??‍♂️Lol

@Shanmugam freedom from subjectivity is essential

From an objective angle If this relationship is conditioninal then is it actualy a relationship at all? If the relationship is dependent on conditions then is it genuin? If so can this relationship built on conditions share the beauty of love? Or is it just another form of self worship or a very subtle attempt to self gratify ones own well being? I guess one would have to know the nature of relationship and love right?

Breaking a habit is necessary, but Is building habits necessary at all? Doesn’t order of thinking create its own action of pattern of inclination if I could use that word.