Faceless

Forget about enlightenment and learn about yourself. Discover how you work psychologically and be honest with yourself...You are you own source. Read and learn the book of yourself. All you need. Right???

Lol Yes emotion is the result of a material process within the mechanism/vessel called the brain. Thought being is the result of that material process in which gives rise to subjectivity and volition/the center or self. This material process/thought/conciousness is conditioned to and typically accompanied by physiological and behavioral changes in the body. There’s nothing wrong with using thought to see how physiological processes work. That’s one of the actual benefits of thought right..As long as we know thought has its limits right.

What do you mean spiritual side?

Also, the clinging to memory, knowledge, experience, ‘what is known’ which is thought/the self. I don’t know much about advanta vindanta, but I know the self. Freedom isn’t at the end it’s in the beginning. Freedom to attend is essential. If there is no freedom there is no communion. Not to accept or condem..when there is freedom to attend without the burden of the past there can be an understanding, and to understand is to transform what is.

Beauty, joy, creativity, compassion, and love are born out of attention without motive....Headlessness is when the perceiver and the perceived are not, but when there is only perception. To be headless is the ultimate freedom. Not freedom for or freedom from but just freedom.

No not yet? Im working on that

I totally understand friend. I see the significance of that as well??

If that what one calls spirituality then yes. Personaly don’t like that word spirituality anyway. It’s yours my fiend ??

Yeah I think that is correct? And if one observes this in there baby/toddler, they can see it to. It’s interesting but if we see what is happening deeply it can be quite sad ?. So I just attempt to not fuel this identification and association processs. U know what I mean?? But paying attention to our own thoughts is demanding in of itself. It’s quite a challenge having a child and watching there’s as well...We are responsible to make sure the child remains incapable of being hurt. But everything seems to work against this trying??‍♂️

My son use to be without a head but now he has reached the age where fragmentation ‘experience dictates the now’...he’s 2 years old now. Memory, ‘psyhological becoming’ is starting to take hold. ? from about 1year to 17 months there seemed to be no head in him. But now he has been taken in.

No that’s the beauty of it.. it’s not an experience. It’s unrecognizable. The freedom form experiencer is freedom

@cetus56 Yesterday my girlfriend told me to find it... she doesn’t like when it goes missing ?

There is no head lol

We have to see that fragmentation is contradiction. Can that which is contradicting get out of the pattern of fragmentation???

@tsuki what is it that sees fragmentation??? Very interesting

Do you see what I was implying here?

Fragmentation can’t see itself as fragmentation. This what u mean?

I don’t think we must go through all the confusion and contradiction. If we see somthing as dangerous we must negate it. And all of the above are dangerous and only prevent freedom to inquire/learn. First thing there must be is freedom form every conclusion. Then there is freedom to investigate. Other wise one will spend there entire life playing with themselves??‍♂️ Unless you like to play with yourself of course lol

I understand...we don’t need to take psychedelics to see what is happening in thought/the self....If we undertand ourselves deeply it becomes very very clear, without any question. But this must be seen by ones self. ? So it’s obvious that individuality as the word implies today is an illusion Original usage for that word individual was meant to imply indivisible, whole, not seperate. Interesting huh? And this is what I meant to go into on behalf of individuality. Wasn’t questioning psychedelics although I do often, but was rather pointing to the where the movement of motive to take such a stimulate comes from. It is in this sense of individuality/the center/the self that arises this demand of self sustainment. Do you see that participation in the demand through motive, effort, will is always a movement of thought and therefore becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And that by engaging in such a movement, being a movement of fragmentation can only lead to further fragmentation. Do you see that this illusion as individuality fuels fragmentation and that no matter what fragmentation can never be integrated to wholeness? I hope you the significance of this?

Let’s start with a line at a time? what do we mean by this? Any individual sees himself as an individual.

Are we individuals at all??? I question this. Individuals stand alone. A true individual sees themself as individual/whole, not meaning separate/divided but representing the whole of man/woman/the world. An individual is not afraid to be empty. Doesn’t conform to patterns in becoming and not becoming. Doesn’t get caught in the pattern of imitation. Negates the danger of disorder in living. A true individual is one who becomes free of fragmentation/thought. One who is free of demand, effort, volition.

Any type of positive must be investigated objectively. We have to question everything we create. This is how illusions arise. Tricky self lol

The walls of thought ‘psychologically’ will always try and construct themselves. These walls provide security. Where these ‘walls’ exsist there can never be joy,beauty, creativity, compassion, love, because thought divides and is a movement of duality....To stop these walls from forming is always going to be scary and there will be reasons thought will introduce not to do so. I like to think of cutting off thoughts at there root. Like the game Tetris is an example. Does that make sense?

I don’t know. Sounds like a programmed idea. You think? i think it’s healty to just break down walls and stay with that insecurity, face it, than to break down walls and through the movement of fear start to build more. You see what I mean? Do you see the trap of creating a positive? its like being in a constant state of demolition. Because thought will continue to try and add to as that is it’s function ‘defense’...To subtract haults continuity. Keeps thought from fragmentating...That make sense?

There is only one thing that needs to be got at, and that the self. To learn about the whole of the self. To see that the accumulation of memory, knowledge, and experience has created this self and that the self will cling to that accumulation and project according to all of that content. Thought will do what ever can to create a sense of security and permanence for itself. But ultimately this security and permanence is short lived and only leads to the ever present fact of impermanence therfore insecurity. Since thought with it’s fragmentary nature creates impermanence and insecurity ‘disorder’,, to use thought to patch up those wounds by cutting everything to pieces will only lead to further fragmentation. If a problem is caused by fragmentation any means to fix that same problem with fragmentation is an impossibility. Only a action that is whole can approach this problem of the self/thought. We have to come at the problem holistically. Get at the root, not cutting branches. The root is where all these problems arise, in thought. If one looks for themself without the accumulation of there own bias and prejudices ‘the self’ it will be obvious. Thats the trick though. Does one know when this self is in movement??