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Heard behavior prevents liberation. Freedom from authority is a necessity. People that are free don’t stay with the heard. If one plays the game of rank and social status then they are obviously not liberated now are they?? ??‍♂️

No I mean learned about yourself. See how you work psychologically. Your motives and so on. No opionions, or information from others. No forum, no internet and so on? Learn about thought?

Wouldn’t say he was free from thought. That happens when people are not aware of the movement of thought. Some go years like that. Decades even. You ever learned about yourself without a mentor?

Perhaps thought induced ‘temporary’ partial freedom. That thought man, it’ll get y??‍♂️

Actual freedom is permanent? If one goes back to sleep this implies they never woke up in the first place. Like one of those dreams where you wake up again and again and again. A prepetual dream of waking up until you actually do awake. U know those dreams right???‍♂️

If there is actual freedom/liberation the first is the last.

What happens after death?? Then one starts to live ?

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It seems rather obvious that liberation from duality/fragmentation becomes an ongoing process of prepetual strife because most depend on others to guide them. People depend on ‘the known’ knowledge and never learn about themselves very deeply. People get caught in the mechanical pattern of thought as means of ending thought. This is a futile attempt. Again one who understands the self/thought very very deeply will tell you that liberation is not the result of the cultivation of time. When this is seen actually freedom is instantaneous. To ask how to, or what method, systems, techniques to ‘become’ liberated is inviting time as means to the timeless. This is why liberation takes so long for these so called ‘advanced’...If you ever meet someone and they say they are a ‘advanced yogi’ or a ‘master in the ways of liberation’ walk the other way. These people are caught in the realm of measure and have cultivated time as means to the timeless. Which is an impossibility. The mechanical nature of thought is time bound. That which is mechanical, therefore Finite, can not move to the infinite through cultivation. Cultivation implies time which is finite. Is this clear??? Thought, being mechanical/finite must cease in order for insight/perception/ the infinite, to come into being. And if we are using the finite which is of time how can time cease. Therfore inviting time ‘years of practiced disipline, experience and then we will a reach our goal of liberation’,, by means of participation of methods, systems, and techniques accompanied with our demand, effort,motive,desire, and volition. All finite/mechanical. And as I have said many times before the finite can never be cultivated ‘integrated’ to the infinite. But it doesn’t matter what I say because you have to go through all of this yourself. To take another’s word is finite/limited at best. Go this inquiry by yourself and stop depending on another and a how to approach. Learn about yourself. Freedom from the belief that anohter can help you is a start. Freedom to inquire is a necessity.

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There is no arguing here guy. I answered a question

I was asked a question that is related to methods, systems, and techniques which are movements of time. I’m sorry, I didn’t think there was an argument taking place? And I agree arguing is a waste of time. It’s just that, ‘time’ has to do with just about every conversation on this forum. Funny how that is huh ?

It seems rather reasonable that progresss and liberation don’t go together. Liberation is the freedom from the psychological time ‘becoming’ The cultivation of time only leads to further time and compulsions to become. Liberation is seeing that time ‘psychological progress’ only leads to contradiction, confusion, and further conflict. Again ‘the self’ feeds/thrives off the desire and the intention to cultivate and progress through the movement of psychological time. When one depends on time to bring about a revolution of the psyche one can spend a lifetime to become free from the self. This doesn’t have to be though. When one sees that depending on time is a type of procrastination and only leads to a prepetual movement in time then that seeing becomes right action in ending that grueling, and conflicting pattern of agonizing strife. This is why it is said that liberation could take either a day or a lifetime. This is true. It’s all about the approach. But it does take all ones energy. This is what I think Leo is trying to convey. It’s much more that an experience. And it’s about how liberation transforms ones daily conduct.?

Any method, system, technique is a movement of time/thought/self Any movement of time/thought only strengthens the self. The timeless cannot be cultivated. Cultivation implies time. check it out man?

There is no entity that seeks ??‍♂️

I made a mistake that I corrected if you didn’t understand the first part?

@EtherThis is truth. This is a perception/insight into that which is false, which is an action of truth. You will I’ll see that when all the weight of pursuing desire leads to conflict in psychological time, that a weight will be lifted off your shoulders and that liberation is much more than a prior experience or experience to be had...An experience is ‘partial/incomplete’ or ‘time bound’ or a ‘temporary’ sense of freedom. Freedom/liberation is timeless ‘whole/complete’ There will be no desire for experience any longer. Which is a life of beauty, joy, and love, and for one who enjoys hip hop/ mc’ing, CREATIVITY. This inward freedom is reflected outwardly into what ever you choose to do in your life. You will see this my brother?

I’m sorry there buddy. I assumed you were aware of what I meant by fragmentation and the center. I assumed this because I thought you had said you had went into thought before... My bad ? Fragmentation, duality, being mechanical movements of the center ‘self or ego’ which are manifestations of thought. Thought being movements and responses of memory, knowledge, and experiences that lead to further thoughts and experiences. Any movement by the center is a movement of thought which includes all of the above. That which is fragmented ‘in parts or segmented’ can not capture the deep rooted feeling of wholeness. But it can project it through imagination, ‘thought’ The present moment is whole, but we impose thought being memory, knowledge, and experience onto that thinking that that content will be able to meet the present as means of a solution to meet present moment challenges. If we say we know a ‘new experience’ that is an imposition ‘the knowing’ which is a record of the past and which becomes projected forward onto the present and to the future...The present moment is whole as long as the past ‘knowledge isn’t projected onto it. Now fragmentation takes place in the ego/center/thought, and when this center/self seeks desire for psychological security this is an impulse of clinging to the center. ‘Function of ego being a defensive mechanism’... This center constitutes everything the self has constructed, memory/knowledge/and experience which is clings to with all its might..This is all the result of the self seeking psychological security. A reaction to fear caused by fragmentation leads further fragmentation. The center becomes more pronounced when there is confusion, contradiction, and conflict. An example of strengthening the center would be taking a toy from a toddler/child and there is the reaction of hey that’s “my” toy!!! There’s the conflict and then duality ‘you’ took ‘my’ and so on. This is just ways fragmentation seems to play out in the unconscious mind. Here are a few examples of fragmentation that have been and are still happening outward but are caused by inward movements of fragmentation by the center......Because then the movement of ego/self/center searches from psychological as all important it creates division, duality, fragmentation in oneself. This is a self centered movement to bring about sense of security/safety to the psyche which brings about the identification to race division, nationality division, religious division, political division and so on. The me ‘center’ becomes ‘all important’ clinging to what it has identified with and that brings it a sense of belonging in a group ‘tribalistic’ and creates this physical insecurity in the world and in relationship. So the impulse to bring about inward security not only leads to further insecurity but inevitably leads to outward physical insecurity as well. This outward indication of fragmentation is the reflection of our inward fragmented state. This is always a hard question to ask oneself I have noticed. Most if not all, inward illusion and deception usually stems from this compulsion to seek comfort and security in the illusion of psychological time, ‘becoming’...This is part of the reason thought/ego is fragmented. Because if the entity which uses thought lives in contradiction, confusion, and conflict then that thought it uses will become corrupt by various bias and prejudices that give that ‘entity’ a sense of security. So thought becomes corrupt by the motives, effort, and desire to remain validated, self affirmed, and so on. Also where there is this movement of fear and desire to suppress it comes the movement of separateness, division, duality, and fragmentation. So when I posted that in the topic about understanding duality and not worrying about non duality I meant if someone is caught in fragmentation ‘perceiving from a center’ ‘which implies separation’ then telling them to learn non duality has no meaning. Because every movement they make is a movement of duality. If they can’t identify the fragmentation then they don’t know that they are imposing duality and masking that non duality with mere duality..They won’t see that they are creating an idea,concept, theory of non duality which is not the actuality or actual action of wholeness. If you are interested in this investigate the nature of fragmentation/duality in relationship to thought/ego . Maybe this will help?...If you go into this and understand it this will answer your question to me about experiences of non duality, and you will see why I am presenting the recommendation of not learning about non duality but instead learning about what we actually are when in this fragmented state.....Again if one is in this state that is all they know. First step is becoming aware of that duality. Which is becoming aware of themselves. In this learning becomes its own action of becoming free from fragmentation/duality/ego/thought/the center... Then when the mind quiets from all such activity, perception/insight/truth actions of wholeness may come into being. But to one who lives in this state of separateness only sees wholeness as an idea, theory, concept. This is something that might take some time to so don’t rush. It’s interesting anyway enjoy. I can’t really go into is very deeply with you as that would take quite a lot of time and my family is talking up the majority of my time. Plus I think it’s easier to go about it at ones own pace slowly anyway. This is something you can explore on your own. Actually you can witness this in ones everyday life. In our own experiences. This is how learn about ourselves?..Only finding ways to explain it is the difficulty. To answer you question of who are you to me.. To one who is free from the shackles of duality and fragmentation I am you and you are me. There is no division. The division takes place only within the field of thought ‘duality & fragmentation.’ P.s. I hope this sparks interest in you. Sorry if my writing was not organized and clean. I didn’t really have time to sit and write this with care this morning. I’ve been busy with my 2 year old. He’s not feeling great?...Just investigate on your own if you feel like it.?

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If one is bombarded by thought there is no sense of non duality? Sure but we use duality to communicate it? If there is a center which is of thought Non duality is not??‍♂️ lol that rhymed But any way there is no u and I, there is only this identification through duality, thought, fragmentation. U see, people can ‘think’ oneness but thought implies duality. So any thought of oneness is a movement of duality. So when I posted that it was intended for a person ‘being new’ to instead of by thought imposing an idea of non duality which is a movement of fragmentation/duality, just simply learning about duality instead. And just maybe non dual action ‘perception/truth’ would arise in that action. Do you see what I mean???

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Understanding duality/fragmentation answers all these questions.? Don’t worry about non duality. That can not be known. Any idea/concept of non duality is falls within duality either way... Just pay attention/observe duality. Learn the limits of duality. Watch thought. That’s it. This reveals a lot. This important and interesting??‍♂️

That’s right. Technology has its advantages though. Communication and so on.? But ultimately not needed to learn about oneself. Actually I prefer a life without the technology these days. I live very simply. No tv, barely any internet time other than the little time spent in communication. I grew up poor, and in the country so I live naturally very simply now. Actually accused of over simplicity lol actully never owned a phone up until 3months ago. That is my computer/communication device. Only devices I own other than a our vehicles and house appliances

This is all that is needed to understand oneself. ?

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